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Hi Mishary. Could you explain why you moved the page Adah Almutairi to Ghadah Almutairi? Thanks, Sam Walton (talk) 18:16, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
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Are you going to fix Egg Angels Cocotama's Arabic title!
Dear Mishary Al-Dhufeeri
I need some help on Egg Angels Cocotama's Arabic title was spelled wrong because they spelled كوكاتوما as كوكاتوما incorrectly you should fix despite the I haven't met you before like many mounths ago. Also, you should fix the weird glitch like that one very below too.--CE040295 (talk) 10:55, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
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- Ummm, one reliable source *isn't* enough for the entire section. Sure, you provided a source for the Celtic v Milan attendance, but what about all the others? Your English could stand some improvement too, as it wasn't very well written. – PeeJay 13:31, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
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- @Onel5969: Done, Can you check it now please? --Mishary94 (talk) 14:07, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- Mishary94, another reviewer, Bkissin, beat me to it. Nice job. Onel5969 TT me 15:09, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Onel5969: Done, Can you check it now please? --Mishary94 (talk) 14:07, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
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Bkissin (talk) 14:09, 25 May 2021 (UTC)Hi, in my opinion the category should be kept. The page doesn't only talk about the men's football club, but also of its other divisions (futsal, beach football, basketball, handball, etc.) Nehme1499 14:29, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello @Nehme1499:, I guess not to be confused with this, see this category for example, the main category for male players, the others, including women, should be in a subcategory --Mishary94 (talk) 14:35, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Makes sense, though I don't know how we should call the category, since we already have a disambiguator (Kuwait). I'll ask on WT:FOOTY. Nehme1499 14:47, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Hello @Nehme1499:, I guess not to be confused with this, see this category for example, the main category for male players, the others, including women, should be in a subcategory --Mishary94 (talk) 14:35, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
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- @GiantSnowman: Done. --Mishary94 (talk) 21:18, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
- Nope. Only 2 of the sources were any good, the rest were all non-reliable or did not verify the information claimed. I suggest you propose any further amendments on the article talk page and do NOT edit the article again. GiantSnowman 21:50, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
- @GiantSnowman: I don't understand what unreliable sources you mean? And what is the standard for reliability? This way you are frustrating the development of Wikipedia! --Mishary94 (talk) 21:53, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
- Read WP:RS. Sources like ZeroZero and BeSoccer and SofaScore etc. are user generated and not to be trusted. GiantSnowman 21:55, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
- @GiantSnowman: I don't understand what unreliable sources you mean? And what is the standard for reliability? This way you are frustrating the development of Wikipedia! --Mishary94 (talk) 21:53, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
- Nope. Only 2 of the sources were any good, the rest were all non-reliable or did not verify the information claimed. I suggest you propose any further amendments on the article talk page and do NOT edit the article again. GiantSnowman 21:50, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
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why did you add Gujrat in Indian Super league table? Kadirrazvi (talk) 05:34, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Kadirrazvi: It wasn't me, I added the 2022 in Asian football template. --Mishary94 (talk) 06:16, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
ok, I will recheck history to know who that was Kadirrazvi (talk) 07:45, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
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R: El Clasico
Well, yes, as always with those matches played deceades ago. It depends on the source. Diario La Vanguardia, page 16, 20 september 1949 says it's Pahiño. Real Madrid official page also count this goal on his toally goals (up to 125 with the club, without that goal the ammount would be 124, which is incorrect).
So we have La Vanguardia, Historic Spanish Football Data Base and Real Madrid saying its a legitimate goal, and on the other hand other sources saying it wasn't his goal, but wiki:en has it very clear it wasn't his goal. How come? Then, how clarify it? Not sure how things work here, excuse me. --Brgesto (talk) 18:18, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
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bro listen here Gareth Bale is officially going to be playing for Los Angeles FC stop undoing my edit https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61936512 look at the link for confirmation thanks !!!!!!
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You seem to have reverted the page 4 times in post 24 hours Spike 'em (talk) 00:18, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm not Kuwaiti but I'm living in kuwait. As ur a kuwait creator u have to create a page about kuwait tourism. I think u forgot. U have to create it. Tourism in Kuwait I hope that u create this page. Thank you 37.231.219.93 (talk) 04:21, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
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Vandalize
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mishary94#October_2020
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this user abuse from two accounts:
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He is rude and does not know how to speak politely. It also has a history of vandalism.
Stop being stupid
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Alright, so let me get this straight: is Jaber still alive or not? I'm quite confused; Arab News states Mubarak Jaber Al-Mubarak Al-Hamad Al-Sabah died, is he Jaber's son? Or did the news reports state Jaber's name incorrectly? Tails Wx 00:57, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
- @Tails Wx: The person who died is the son of the former prime minister and his name is Mubarak (born in 1977), while Jaber himself is still alive. --Mishary94 (talk) 01:03, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
- The name of the former prime minister is Jaber Al-Mubarak Al-Sabah (born 1942)
- The name of his son is Mubarak Al-Jaber Al-Sabah (born 1977)
-- Mishary94 (talk) 01:22, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
- Do you have any sources for the son being the one, Arabic is fine. I dont doubt you, this is just a bit embarrassing as it almost went up on the front page. nableezy - 03:37, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
- Oops, never mind, I see the cairo24 story. Sorry. nableezy - 03:38, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
- Well, I'm convinced. The RD for Jaber Al-Mubarak Al-Hamad Al-Sabah has been withdrawn, thanks, Mishary94 and Nableezy! RIP, Mubarak Al-Jaber Al-Sabah. Tails Wx 12:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
AlHilal's Sixtuple trophies road
Hello, can you please explain why did refuse and delete my contribution? AlHilal did earn an incomplete sixtuple on the 1999-2000 season, there is no reason to delete their achievement since they have seven (eight if you count the GCC tournament ) for that season all of the competitions i listed are officially recognized and they needed either the world cup to complete the sixtuple of the saudi pro league from my understanding, to further prove that, in the seven trophies section on the same page it was explained that Celtic were almost able to do it, by the same standard that were provided by me to alhilal, awaiting your response AlWaleed Al8adry (talk) 19:39, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
- @AlWaleed Al8adry: Hello, in the 2000 Al-Hilal season, they won only four out of six titles that fall within the concept of the sextuple (domestic league, cup championship, AFC Champions League, local super, continental super, club world cup), he must achieve five out of six until we say that they almost achieved the sextuple. --Mishary94 (talk) 01:10, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Mishary, the thing is, they dont specificaly need a league title to be eligible on the list, here is a copied article from the same page about the English clubs season trophies,
- " Technically it is possible to win seven trophies; for example, a top-flight English club can win the Premier League, the FA Cup, the EFL Cup, the FA Community Shield, the UEFA Champions League, the UEFA Super Cup and the FIFA Club World Cup in a calendar year. "
- by that standard that means they can get indeed six trophies in a season without getting the premier league, alHilal did the same and got five titles minus the club world cup if they wanted to get the sixtuple AlWaleed Al8adry (talk) 10:05, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
- @AlWaleed Al8adry: Seven titles means adding a new title to the six main titles, and it does not mean that it is part of the sextuple, especially such as a major title, which is the league. --Mishary94 (talk) 00:33, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
- you are referring to the European system of sixtuple, in other continents there is no specific limit of trophies and plus the championships are different to begin with compared to European trophies and its systems, there is no "fixed" system about it, i think Al Hilal deserves to be on the list according to these details since they got three domestic trophies, two continental trophies and minus a World cup trophy all in one season/continues season. AlWaleed Al8adry (talk) 04:56, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
- @AlWaleed Al8adry: Seven titles means adding a new title to the six main titles, and it does not mean that it is part of the sextuple, especially such as a major title, which is the league. --Mishary94 (talk) 00:33, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
- @AlWaleed Al8adry: Hello, in the 2000 Al-Hilal season, they won only four out of six titles that fall within the concept of the sextuple (domestic league, cup championship, AFC Champions League, local super, continental super, club world cup), he must achieve five out of six until we say that they almost achieved the sextuple. --Mishary94 (talk) 01:10, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
Please explain
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- Also - please remember to add an edit summary. This is of the greatest importance when reverting. You seem to not be doing it.--2603:7000:2101:AA00:D00B:9296:33DB:ECD3 (talk) 02:15, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
Ortúzar
Yes, don't worry! The Philippines are in the same situation as Ortúzar. Zigurat (talk) 17:50, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
- Good idea to create this subcategory with the argentine players! Greetings to Kuwait from Barcelona! --Zigurat (talk) 06:49, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Zigurat: Thank you, I'm so honored, I loved this article because of your great work on it. --Mishary94 (talk) 06:55, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for the help
Hello! I was having a problem with listing the winner of Copa América as Real Madrid players, was gonna submit my edit at the end but you already done that (and yours is more complete than me). Thanks for the help, fellow Madristista. Oozora Subaru (talk) 11:25, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- @Oozora Subaru: Thank you, your addition was great, I will search for more players if found. --Mishary94 (talk) 12:35, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Miguel Retuerto
Hello Mishary94, yes, you can include these players since they meet the requirements. All the best! Zigurat (talk) 09:06, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
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Joao Felix in List of foreign La Liga players
Hello Mishary94, as with other players, it is not a mistake. There is a break to go to Chelsea (from outside LaLiga). Greetings! Zigurat (talk) 17:03, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
- On the other hand, do you follow the Saudi League? What do you think of this irruption? --Zigurat (talk) 17:04, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
- Hello @Zigurat:, thanks for noticing and correcting my mistake. As for the Saudi League, I think it's a good move for them, but I don't watch them, because I'm a Real Madrid fan. --Mishary94 (talk) 17:45, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
European association football club records and statistics
@Sir Sputnik and Daniel Case: considering Mishary94's block history for edit warring, please tell the user to stop edit warring at European association football club records and statistics; Mishary94 is failing to support his/her edits with a source. SLBedit (talk) 20:00, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
- @SLBedit: I am not going to edit warring with you. I am explaining the reason for why i rev your edit. The results of the teams are available everywhere and you can verify the information. Do we delete the results of other teams as soon as there is no source for them? --Mishary94 (talk) 20:14, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
- Could you tell me when was Red Star's last home defeat in the league? I'm asking because there is no 2016–17 Red Star Belgrade season. SLBedit (talk) 21:14, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
- Lost against Partizan on 18 April 2017 in the Championship round (where the league system qualifies the top eight qualify to a separate Championship round) you can check here. I will retrieve your last edit, because the source was last May, four months ago, as the team won six home matches since then, so it is unreasonable for me to add a source after every match in which Red Star wins at home. It is likely that news and official websites will publish the statistic after the record is broken after 5 matches (then Real Madrid's record will be broken by 121 matches). Thank you. --Mishary94 (talk) 21:42, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
- Could you tell me when was Red Star's last home defeat in the league? I'm asking because there is no 2016–17 Red Star Belgrade season. SLBedit (talk) 21:14, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
- @SLBedit: I am not going to edit warring with you. I am explaining the reason for why i rev your edit. The results of the teams are available everywhere and you can verify the information. Do we delete the results of other teams as soon as there is no source for them? --Mishary94 (talk) 20:14, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
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Why was my edit reverted?
I was told by more than one editor that I was allowed to make this change, and there is wikipolicy documentation that says it is allowed for. Sawtguren (talk) 20:26, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- I didn't know you were the same person, sorry. --Mishary94 (talk) 20:31, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- I understand. Would it be alright for me then to undo your undo? (Or just edit it again in the same way I did the first?) Sawtguren (talk) 20:36, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- Don't worry, I reverted the edit. Thank you --Mishary94 (talk) 21:00, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- I understand. Would it be alright for me then to undo your undo? (Or just edit it again in the same way I did the first?) Sawtguren (talk) 20:36, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
- I didn't know you were the same person, sorry. --Mishary94 (talk) 20:31, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Jfebin1998, Cristiano Ronaldo did not participate in the 2016 UEFA Super Cup, please remove this title in the Collective awards section at List of career achievements by Cristiano Ronaldo. He has won 33 titles if we don't count the 2008 FA Community Shield and the 2016 UEFA Super Cup (he did not participate in these matches). Thank you. 14.191.211.36 (talk) 16:16, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- Please update Cristiano Ronaldo's article: He has won 33 trophies in his career (not 34). This will be consistent with the number of titles listed in the Honours section (excluding Toulon because this is a friendly tournament). 14.191.211.36 (talk) 16:29, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
- You're right, i actually removed it. --Mishary94 (talk) 18:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Apologise To Mishary94
Hello I apologise for you.@Mishary94I respect you.you was active the pages football in kuwait i want suggest a to create article 2023-24 Kuwaiti Division One. Huyya (talk) 12:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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Women
Re. Talk:List_of_footballers_who_achieved_hat-trick_records#Women_2:
I am genuine about discussing understanding everyday sexism, by the way. Just because I think your editing behaviour (reinstating contentious material and not discussing) is in bad faith, does not mean that I think your content changes are.
If you think you are doing right, then I would be happy to help encourage an understanding of why it is never right to make changes based on a belief that "men are more popular so women must be othered".
I know you know that there isn't any good reason to distinguish men and women at the article in question (at least, I hope, as you have never disputed that, only tried to talk around it); that you feel the need to do so despite this, is something we can talk about.
How people experience the culture around football can be an incredibly sexist world, so I am not saying I think you are sexist either, but that there can be a norm around football that privileges male dominance, and your edits are reflecting that. Wikipedia, on the other hand, is actively trying to combat such male dominance - including projects like WP:Women in Red, if you would rather go there for open discussion. Kingsif (talk) 00:50, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Kingsif: The point is, there is no sexism, you just see this matter from your angle. What I am trying to explain to you is that football is more famous for men than women, and this is a fact and a reality that we cannot falsify, and it is not male dominance or bias against women. If you asked all people about the most famous football player, Alex Morgan, for example, 20 million people would know her. However, if you ask everyone about the most famous football player, Cristiano Ronaldo, for example, two billion people will know him. This is simple, and there are many other areas in which women outperform men in terms of popularity, and this does not mean at all feminist dominance or bias against men. This is simply what it is.
- In any case, I will be happy to discuss and enrich with you about this topic, although I do not see myself as an opponent in the debate, because I am not a party to it, and I am not against women in general. --Mishary94 (talk) 02:08, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Your reply here shows that you really do need to have a lot of reflection. A lot. You also need to read a lot better. A lot. Because you are claiming I said things I never did, and in turn showing a lot more prejudice in trying to refute those things. This is friendly advice, you're digging yourself into a hole and not contributing to discussing the topic at hand.
- It is also inappropriate for you to just make up stats (have you surveyed the entire global population on their knowledge of footballers?) for an argument. I do expect that if you asked football fans about different players, then more men's footballers would be recognised than women's footballers, but you cannot just make things up.
- Now, nobody is denying that men's football is more popular than women's football around the world, and nobody said that this means football itself is biased against women (although FIFA might be, but that's another subject).
- I said that men's football being more popular should not be a reason to make edits which either explicitly or implicitly diminishes women's football. Separating them does not always do this, but context must be appreciated.
- And I said that football media often privileges men's football, because of the greater popularity, and that this has a tendency to make people see men's football as the priority. And I said that I think this has impacted your editing, which your reply here further makes me believe. You seem to think it is some inherent truth that because men's football is more popular, women's football matters less. That is not true. And it is sexist. In aspects where men's football and women's football do not differ - like, scoring against appropriate opposition - there is no reason not to treat them equally.
- As for your last line: do not patronise me. If you are meaning what you wrote and it is not some maltranslation, telling me that
[you] will be happy to ... enrich [me] about this topic
is incredibly demeaning. I am adding this in an edit to give you an opportunity to explain what you meant with this. Kingsif (talk) 02:33, 7 February 2024 (UTC)- @Kingsif: I do not mean to belittle you. By enrichment, I mean that we exchange information and debate. I used Google Translate in order for the expression to be more accurate, and it seems that it was not the case. --Mishary94 (talk) 04:09, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- I think it was the phrasing, it is very close to "I'll be happy to enlighten you"/"let me enlighten you" which is often a sarcastic way of saying "you're an idiot" or, when used literally, is done by someone who thinks their interlocutor has zero knowledge of the topic. For some more friendly advice, I can see you are not concerned with your command of English, but I would still stick to what words you know. Looking for a fancier word than "debate" has caused you to make this slip. You told me earlier that you did not think it valuable to debate with me because I support women, which is also, like, an awful thing to say. I hope I can assume that, like many foreign language speakers, your ability to read English is good? If so, there should be no issue with you editing English Wikipedia.
- In any case, I am glad I AGF (just say debate man!) - I have opened discussion at WP:Football for more eyes. There is a discussion section for free thought. I haven't made it a formal RfC, so hopefully we can proceed from that without need for RfC and a survey. And yes, BTW, I support women. It's kind of a given over here; Wikipedia supports women, too. That does not mean putting them first, but it means being inclusive unless there is a reason not to. I try to remember that within my everyday editing, and I would encourage everyone to do the same. Kingsif (talk) 04:27, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- @Kingsif: I do not mean to belittle you. By enrichment, I mean that we exchange information and debate. I used Google Translate in order for the expression to be more accurate, and it seems that it was not the case. --Mishary94 (talk) 04:09, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- In any case, I will be happy to discuss and enrich with you about this topic, although I do not see myself as an opponent in the debate, because I am not a party to it, and I am not against women in general. --Mishary94 (talk) 02:08, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Moving of Mutaz Essa Barshim
Hello, on 5 February, you moved Mutaz Essa Barshim to Mutaz Barsham with the edit summary “Right name”. I was just wondering—where did you get this information? His World Athletics Profile is still listed as Mutaz Essa Barshim and his website, [1], has his name as Mutaz Barshim. (Also, you changed this link to link to a website that doesn’t exist, [2]. You also changed several references, breaking the article links and altering the titles to Barsham, which are not the correct titles.)
- The Dessert Rat (talk) 05:24, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- @The Dessert Rat: Hi, the correct pronunciation according to the Arabic language is Barsham, not Barshim. In Arabic, Barsham is pronounced (بَرشَم), while Barshim is pronounced (بَرشِم). According to our Arabic pronunciation, the pronunciation is wrong. Perhaps his profile in the World Athletics was not accurate according to his pronunciation in the Arabic language. See To the article by his brother, Qatar national football team goalkeeper, Meshaal Barsham, where the pronunciation was written in the correct way. --Mishary94 (talk) 08:08, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, thank you for responding in such a timely manner. I, on the other hand, did not. I apologize for this.
- I understand what you are saying, but in this case, why are both his Instagram account and his own website spelled Barshim? Is he misspelling (or mispronouncing) his own name?
- - The Dessert Rat (talk) 05:00, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- @The Dessert Rat: Hi, the correct pronunciation according to the Arabic language is Barsham, not Barshim. In Arabic, Barsham is pronounced (بَرشَم), while Barshim is pronounced (بَرشِم). According to our Arabic pronunciation, the pronunciation is wrong. Perhaps his profile in the World Athletics was not accurate according to his pronunciation in the Arabic language. See To the article by his brother, Qatar national football team goalkeeper, Meshaal Barsham, where the pronunciation was written in the correct way. --Mishary94 (talk) 08:08, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Player with more official titles
I've been searching about Gibraltar League. It's a nearly amateur league. It's still changing rules, teams, etc to adapt to Europe standards. But let's say that Casciaro titles are official. This is are not top titles. There's no way you can put them along with titles won by Messi, Dani Alves, Iniesta, Benzema, Cristiano, etc. Gibraltar league is no where near Spanish B League, or even German C league. So let's find a category to agree so we can put the player who won most top competitive titles, as mayor leagues, mayor cups, etc. Another example is Ángel Romano from Uruguay. He won 50 titles. But in his time, football was amateur. There's no way you can compare. If you put a record category, there must be the same way to judge contendants. That's why if you seach "most title winners" you will find thousands of articles about Messi, Alves, Iniesta, Maxwell, Cristiano, Kroos, etc, and none about Casciaro. Adannoes (talk) 13:45, 8 March 2024 (UTC)
Reverts
So you reverted all my edits without letting me know and without a word of explanation? What kind of behavior is that? Lfstevens (talk) 20:49, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Your edits were a bit messy, because you put the date in the nationality field, and removed the (–) for the (-). Overall, i have improved your edits and removed the unhelpful ones. --Mishary94 (talk) 22:02, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Lfstevens: Mishary94 did the same to me, multiple times. Also, don't readd unsourced information after being warned. SLBedit (talk) 01:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, Your edits were a bit messy, because you put the date in the nationality field, and removed the (–) for the (-). Overall, i have improved your edits and removed the unhelpful ones. --Mishary94 (talk) 22:02, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
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Grasshopper v Red Star
Even RSSSF (the most respected football history site there is) says it was a penalty. Can you find any published sources that say it wasn't? A youtube video isn't really valid per WP:PRIMARY. – PeeJay 19:56, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @PeeJay: Hello, yes, it is true that RSSSF and the UEFA website mention that it is a penalty kick, and at the same time they mention that Xabi Alonso’s goal in the 2005 final is not a penalty kick, even though the two goals are completely identical, as they were both scored after the goalkeeper saved the ball. The question is, if these sites are contradictory, should Wikipedia be contradictory? --Mishary94 (talk) 00:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia should follow the published sources, which is why I asked you if you could find one that supports the claim. Would you like to provide one? – PeeJay 00:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- @PeeJay: Unfortunately, I was unable to find a source stating that it is not considered a penalty kick. --Mishary94 (talk) 00:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia should follow the published sources, which is why I asked you if you could find one that supports the claim. Would you like to provide one? – PeeJay 00:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- @PeeJay: Hello, yes, it is true that RSSSF and the UEFA website mention that it is a penalty kick, and at the same time they mention that Xabi Alonso’s goal in the 2005 final is not a penalty kick, even though the two goals are completely identical, as they were both scored after the goalkeeper saved the ball. The question is, if these sites are contradictory, should Wikipedia be contradictory? --Mishary94 (talk) 00:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
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Jardel (1999-2000) season
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Jardel (1999-2000 season) - 37 or 38 league goals
Hi, I just wanted to let you know that I started a discussion there so that maybe someone could provide a better source for one thing or another. Otherwise it is just subjective which sources someone prefers. Miria~01 (talk) 19:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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Tschammerpokal and Qualification
First of all, thank you for your contributions and sources, in European records. Unfortunately, the RSSSF source was very confusing for Ernst Willimowski (https://www.rsssf.org/players/pwillimowskidata.html#1941)
FYI: The mode for the de:Tschammerpokal (DFB-Pokal 1935-1943) is also explained a little better in the German Wiki, if you are interested.
Here are some sources of useful information. Unfortunately, there is no separate Wiki article for the Gau Saxony, regarding the regional qualification, but here you can find all qualification rounds for 1941: German Cup 1941, in which the representatives of the several districts in a Reichsgau has been decided for the next Tschammperpokal. The qualification games (from 20/04/1941 to 26/06/1941) are marked as "Amistoso" or "---------- in the previous source https://docs.ufpr.br/~mmsabino/sstatistics/willimowski.html.
At the same time, not every "amistoso" marked game between this period is a qualification game.
- de:Tschammerpokal 1941 / Gau Mitte -> example for the qualification format in Gau Mitte 1941.
- de:Tschammerpokal 1941
- worldfootball.net - Tschammerpokal Topscores 1941
- worldfootball.net - DFB-Pokal Topscores by Season from 1935
- DFB.de - 1940-41 Matches
- https://fussballarchiv.de.tl/Tschammerpokal.htm#1941 --> showing the qualified representatives of the Gau groups
- DFB.de - FactFile -> mentioning most goals in one season: Willimowski's with 14 goals as topscorer 1942/43
Top goalscorers: Gerd Müller is the record goalscorer in the DFB Cup, with a total of 78 goals for Bayern Munich. The most goals in one season came from Ernst Willimowski (1860 Munich, 1942/1943) and Dieter Müller (FC Köln, 1976/1977) (both 14).
Miria~01 (talk) 19:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, @Miria~01: thank you for this wonderful narration and clear sources. It seems that the sources that relied on Willimowski scoring one goal relied on that based on their disregard for the regional qualifying rounds. In my opinion, if the regional rounds are ultimately affiliated with a local championship, then we We have to take it into account, like Dresdner SC 26-win streak with 21 of those wins coming in a regional league. I also believe that goals in the qualifying rounds in European competitions should be counted in the players’ goals, because there are still official continental matches. I hope we can open up a discussion so that we can eventually reach a consistent standard for what goals and records are taken into account. --Mishary94 (talk) 22:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, the WIki article handles it exactly the same as the IFFHS all-time ranking for club goal-scorers, May 13, 2024. All top division level goals count (see
OL = other relevant leagues (top divisions of regional leagues, war-time leagues etc.)
), but not any qualifying rounds for the DFB-Pokal that were more amateur and friendly in nature.- National League (top-division)
The regional league goals are also counted in the wiki-article, because they represent the top division level in the league to that time. The wiki-article and the legend also speak of the top division level, so there is no problem with Dresdner SC.The list refers to goals in all national club competitions (top division),...
You could add a note on their unbeaten run of 28 games, but in my opinion it's not a must:
18x 1942-43 Gauliga Sachsen, 5x 1943 German Championship, 5x 1943-44 Gauliga Sachsen. - 'National Cup (qualification)
However, the DFB does not see the qualifying events as official games for the Tschammer- / DFB-Pokal. With the Verbandspokal, they have even represented a separate cup competition since 1945, which is not organized by the DFB, but by the regional associations.A Verbandspokal (English: Association Cup) is a regional men's association football competition in Germany. There are 21 Verbandspokal competitions which function as qualifying tournaments for the following season's DFB-Pokal, the premier German Cup competition.Bundesliga and 2. Bundesliga clubs are not permitted to enter as they are already directly qualified for the first round of the DFB-Pokal.
- European Comp.
I have no problem to include qualification goals in the UEFA competitions, but I would still separate goals in qualifying from the actual competition (as well as many sources do): e.g. Henrik Larsson (Sweden) 53 goals = (35) NL, (9) NC, (5) LC (3) UEL, (1) UEL Qual.
- National League (top-division)
- PS:
- IFFHS - All-time club longest winning series
- The same applies to the winning streak of Dresdner SC. The regional top division league is counted, but not the qualification events for the German Cup... otherwise it wouldn't just be the three games (see IFFHS source) in the 1943 Tschammerpokal in August 1943, but more. Miria~01 (talk) 11:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, the WIki article handles it exactly the same as the IFFHS all-time ranking for club goal-scorers, May 13, 2024. All top division level goals count (see
- Hi, @Miria~01: thank you for this wonderful narration and clear sources. It seems that the sources that relied on Willimowski scoring one goal relied on that based on their disregard for the regional qualifying rounds. In my opinion, if the regional rounds are ultimately affiliated with a local championship, then we We have to take it into account, like Dresdner SC 26-win streak with 21 of those wins coming in a regional league. I also believe that goals in the qualifying rounds in European competitions should be counted in the players’ goals, because there are still official continental matches. I hope we can open up a discussion so that we can eventually reach a consistent standard for what goals and records are taken into account. --Mishary94 (talk) 22:50, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Miria~01: This seems to make sense to me, well no problem with that. Regarding the goals of the qualifying stages in European competitions, what do you think about just making a note of the number of goals and mentioning that the player scored, for example, a goal in the qualifying stages? --Mishary94 (talk) 17:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- Something like that: User:Miria~01/sandbox foty
- Feel free to change it in my sandbox example if you meant it differently. Miria~01 (talk) 18:46, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Miria~01: This seems to make sense to me, well no problem with that. Regarding the goals of the qualifying stages in European competitions, what do you think about just making a note of the number of goals and mentioning that the player scored, for example, a goal in the qualifying stages? --Mishary94 (talk) 17:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Unbeaten Champions in Greece
Greetings! https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0253-0d7f7b7fcbc4-cbe4b3cb3617-1000--five-claims-to-fame-panathinaikos/ In 2019, PAOK became the 2nd team in Greece who won a nationwide round robin league competition undefeated. National League in Greece was established in 1959. Championships are counted since 1928 where the league format was different. At first regional and then play-offs between the champions of 3 cities. Thank you Abudabanas (talk) 13:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
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Hello there, thank you for correcting my edits on this page, I would have never know that Karembeu's case would be the same with Nacho and Joselu. I guess it was because they were registered as Real Madrid players when the tournament started. Oozora Subaru (talk) 07:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Oozora Subaru: Hello, you are most welcome. Yes, Nacho and Joselu won the Euro and Champions League as players for Real Madrid and Spain. --Mishary94 (talk) 10:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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About Castilla graduates and source about players' apps
Hi there, I really appreaciate your mad work for rewritng on this entire page. But I do have confusion about why Vinicius Tobias is listed as Castilla graduate since he was never an academy player (unless it was meant for players who were listed and still playing in Castilla, even for loaned players). Also may I know where you get the link for all of players who were playing for Real Madrid? I'm really curious since it would be fascinating. Oh yeah, I do think it's better to make the list using the old format where the top of the list would be the earliest players who play for the team (to make it more simple and easier to edit). One last thing, I think it's better to put players such as Brahim Díaz and Nico Paz started their career to the first team squad based on the first time they make their debut (2019 for Brahim even though he was officially a Madrid player on 2018 and 2023 for Nico Paz). Oozora Subaru (talk) 21:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Oozora Subaru: Hello, thank you for your comment. Graduates of Real Madrid Academy mean that the player played for Real Madrid after coming up from Real Madrid Castilla, regardless of whether they were on loan or not. This applies to Vinicius Tobias, who played as a loanee for Real Madrid Castilla and played for the first team as a graduate. Those who do not fall under the category of Real Madrid Academy graduates are those who were transferred or loaned directly from another club to Real Madrid.
- Regarding the Real Madrid list, I relied on many sources, including the official website, but the main reliance was on BDFutbol. As for the calendar years and sporting seasons, I considered listing the calendar years for the first and last match, but it would be too burdensome for me to verify the dates of the first and last matches for over 770 players. Therefore, I simplified it and made the primary consideration the sporting seasons (for example, note that Ángel Di María left in August 2014, but I listed 2015 because he played the first match against Atlético Madrid in the 2014 Supercopa de España, which falls under the 2014–15 season, The same applies to many players, such as Mesut Özil and Xabi Alonso). In addition to those who played all their matches in a single calendar year, we will have to list only one year instead of a full season, and this will compromise this column in the list.
- Regarding the order of the players in the list, I thought about arranging them based on chronological order, but that would place lesser-known players at the top of the list who did not have a significant impact on the club's history. Therefore, I ordered them based on the number of matches, so that the top of the list features the most prominent players who played the most matches. However, readers can sort the players as they wish (by seniority, nationality, goals scored, or captaincy) by clicking the arrow in any column they prefer." Mishary94 (talk) 02:49, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm... I do think it's better to make two new pages that dedicated for players who only or still having 1-24 and 25-99 apps just like in Liverpool and Manchester United players lists to make things not complicated. Also those two pages using chronological order by putting the lesser-known players (even from the 1890s) at the top of the list even though no one on today's world know who those players were. Also may be we can also make a separate list of the captains (just like from the old one) on the main page. Oozora Subaru (talk) 08:33, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- I do not support dividing the list. Formally, it would look better if it were in a single list. To know the player's position, it requires knowing the number of matches, which can be found if you click on the arrow in the years column and go to their period with the club. Then, you will find the number of matches. However, if you insist, I don't mind, but I prefer it to remain in its current state and in a single list so that the reader can divide all the players as they prefer. Mishary94 (talk) 08:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Understandable. Anyway I have an unrelated question. So during the last season campaign of UCL which Real Madrid won it. The team registered several academy (Castilla and Juvenil) players. I just found out that the rule from UEFA said that academy players who were registered but never play a single minute (including 3rd or 4th GK) can be considered to win it, same as the main squad. Someone did reverted my edits on those academy players' (in honours section) page but I restore them all. Do you think I should remove them all? Oozora Subaru (talk) 21:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Oozora Subaru: I think it depends on Wikipedia's criteria. I think a player is counted as a title winner if they are registered or called up to the squad, regardless of whether they played (as happened with Isco in the 2021-22 UEFA Champions League, where he didn’t play in any match). In fact, sometimes a player may be considered a title winner even if they were not called up or registered, just by having a photo of them holding the medal (as happened with Modric in the 2014 FIFA Club World Cup). Otherwise, the player cannot be considered a title winner (like Messi with the 2005 Spanish Super Cup or Benzema with the 2020 Spanish Super Cup). Therefore, I believe your inclusion of the players as title winners is correct. Mishary94 (talk) 01:26, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's the thing. It's kinda weird to see some of the domestic tournament or Super Cup let it slip but not for UCL in Wikipedia. Oozora Subaru (talk) 02:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Correct, there have been many discussions on this topic. See here and here, for example. The final conclusion can be summarized as follows: a player is considered a title winner if they are registered with the team or if there is a photo of them holding the medal. Mishary94 (talk) 02:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's the thing. It's kinda weird to see some of the domestic tournament or Super Cup let it slip but not for UCL in Wikipedia. Oozora Subaru (talk) 02:01, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Oozora Subaru: I think it depends on Wikipedia's criteria. I think a player is counted as a title winner if they are registered or called up to the squad, regardless of whether they played (as happened with Isco in the 2021-22 UEFA Champions League, where he didn’t play in any match). In fact, sometimes a player may be considered a title winner even if they were not called up or registered, just by having a photo of them holding the medal (as happened with Modric in the 2014 FIFA Club World Cup). Otherwise, the player cannot be considered a title winner (like Messi with the 2005 Spanish Super Cup or Benzema with the 2020 Spanish Super Cup). Therefore, I believe your inclusion of the players as title winners is correct. Mishary94 (talk) 01:26, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Understandable. Anyway I have an unrelated question. So during the last season campaign of UCL which Real Madrid won it. The team registered several academy (Castilla and Juvenil) players. I just found out that the rule from UEFA said that academy players who were registered but never play a single minute (including 3rd or 4th GK) can be considered to win it, same as the main squad. Someone did reverted my edits on those academy players' (in honours section) page but I restore them all. Do you think I should remove them all? Oozora Subaru (talk) 21:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
- I do not support dividing the list. Formally, it would look better if it were in a single list. To know the player's position, it requires knowing the number of matches, which can be found if you click on the arrow in the years column and go to their period with the club. Then, you will find the number of matches. However, if you insist, I don't mind, but I prefer it to remain in its current state and in a single list so that the reader can divide all the players as they prefer. Mishary94 (talk) 08:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hmm... I do think it's better to make two new pages that dedicated for players who only or still having 1-24 and 25-99 apps just like in Liverpool and Manchester United players lists to make things not complicated. Also those two pages using chronological order by putting the lesser-known players (even from the 1890s) at the top of the list even though no one on today's world know who those players were. Also may be we can also make a separate list of the captains (just like from the old one) on the main page. Oozora Subaru (talk) 08:33, 17 August 2024 (UTC)