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:No, that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FEdit_warring&type=revision&diff=940983725&oldid=940983079 was me]. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 23:03, 15 February 2020 (UTC) |
:No, that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FEdit_warring&type=revision&diff=940983725&oldid=940983079 was me]. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 23:03, 15 February 2020 (UTC) |
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::jeez. Sorry for the waste of time! I am at home with 40C of fever so not in the most lucid of conditions and this report ordeal is really not my thing. Will sleep it off and post a new report tomorrow as you suggested. Got too much time on my hands unfortunately as every other edit gets reverted...one can't even be sick in peace... Thanks for the help and for the guidance! --[[User:Gtoffoletto|Gtoffoletto]] ([[User talk:Gtoffoletto|talk]]) 23:13, 15 February 2020 (UTC) |
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If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.
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Archived Discussions
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For you
El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
- Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
- Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/07/Flowerburrovisit.jpg/420px-Flowerburrovisit.jpg)
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![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/62/Burro-hi%2C_chin%21.jpg/420px-Burro-hi%2C_chin%21.jpg)
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7a/Hand_of_cheekadeefriendship_%28tummy_rub%29.jpg/420px-Hand_of_cheekadeefriendship_%28tummy_rub%29.jpg)
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- You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).
- Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5d/Hand_of_cheekadeefaerie%21%28Zoom%29.jpg/666px-Hand_of_cheekadeefaerie%21%28Zoom%29.jpg)
Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).
- And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/eb/Also_skunky%21.jpg/444px-Also_skunky%21.jpg)
Oooo. Purdy!
Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren (talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
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Seasons Greetings
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- Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
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Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Happy Groundhog Day
Happy day! Jehochman Talk 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Chippies
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4a/I_love_you_groundhog%21.jpg/499px-I_love_you_groundhog%21.jpg)
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El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
- No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures! — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Book?
Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
1. Four Facets of existence: 1. Matter 2. Energy 3. Space 4. Time
2. Four Dimensions: 1. 1D 2. 2D 3. 3D 4. 4D (temporal)
3. Four Fundamental interactions: 1. Strong 2. EM 3. Weak 4. Gravity
4. Four States of matter: 1. Solid 2. Liquid 3. Gas 4. Plasma
Rev-dels
Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
- OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Romania
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I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
And all I got was a ^^^
- Talk:And Then There Were None#RfC: And Then There Were None and racial language
- Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics#Request for comments on the 'political position' parameter of the political party infobox
- Talk:Romania#RfC
- Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: HispanTV
- Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship#Is RfX a vote, or a consensus discussion? (RfC)
- Talk:Civil Rights Act of 1968#Merger of Fair Housing Act and Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968 into this article
- Talk:WikiLeaks#RFC: Murder Of Seth Rich content dispute
- Talk:Athens News#Request for comment
- Talk:SNC-Lavalin affair#RfC: LavScam
- Talk:Christchurch mosque shootings#RfC: Change "white supremacist" to "white nationalist"
Please
Please consider watchlisting Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council for a while. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:05, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- Will do. But discussion seems to be going fine, post-edit war. El_C 20:12, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- Of course, I had to jinx it! El_C 05:51, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
note re item
Hi. I have just sent you an email. you are welcome to contact me any time to discuss. I appreciate your help. also, thanks for all your valuable help and insight earlier today. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 05:18, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Sm8900: you're welcome. Thanks, it's nice to be appreciated.
I agree that Moxy could have used a softer touch. Not to mention that there is a certain irony when writing:
At this point really questioning the WP:Competency level of this editor..
[2] (i.e. WP:Competency is a redlink!). But I actually do agree with them that your frequent use of section breaks can be a bit much — especially when it involves indenting or outdenting their comments. Anyway, I hope you two can work it out amicably. If I can help with that, please let me know. Finally, as an aside, why do you continue to refrain from capitalizing words normally at the beginning of sentences? It makes it difficult for someone like me, for whom English is a second language, to read. In any case, good luck! El_C 05:47, 16 January 2020 (UTC)- I refrain from capitalizing sentences because that is my preference. And please do not change the subject. I am asking for your help with comments pertaining to me personally. --Sm8900 (talk) 05:58, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Sm8900: this is my talk page, but even if it wasn't, I am permitted to add any "aside" as I see fit to comments I submit! Anyway, as I explained to you earlier today, "varying degrees of competences are required" on Wikipedia. That is not a personal comment, but an evaluation of one's abilities (or lack thereof) with the manner in which they edit Wikipedia. Moxy linking (or mislinking) to that explanatory supplement is not a personal attack, if that is what you're driving at. El_C 06:08, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- yes, assisting other editors with competence, or skills, is fine. however, publicly labeling a specific editor as lacking in "competence," or labeling them publicly in any manner, is a personal comment, from any perspective.
- and I didn't intend to imply that you cannot discuss anything you want on your own talk page. of course you can. the phrase "please don't change the subject" was not meant as a rebuke, merely as a plea to focus upon this specific query. I do appreciate your help. thanks.--Sm8900 (talk) 06:15, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Sm8900: No, I disagree. It is not a personal comment. It has little if anything to do with one's personality. It has to do with a learning curve. It is an assessment of how skillful one is in editing Wikipedia successfully according to its policies and guidelines and style expectations. And please capitalize your sentences normally — again, your comments are difficult for me to read with ease. El_C 06:24, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Sm8900: I see you've added to your comment after my last edit conflict, so let me respond to the additional part. Almost everything on Wikipedia is done publicly. If an editor is frustrated with one's competency, say, related to creating frequent section breaks, when they express that frustration, it is of course made public. But that does not mean there is anything untoward about that. El_C 06:29, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- El_C, I do appreciate your replies to me, your kind and patient help, and your insights here. just to reply to this topic, here is a quote from WP:Harassment: "Harassment can include actions calculated to be noticed by the target and clearly suggestive of targeting them, where no direct communication takes place." I think that is relevant to this specific item. I appreciate your help.
- by the way, I do consider this matter to be fully closed and resolved now. I am not requesting any further action, and I don't feel that any further action is needed. I just wanted to note that one detail here briefly, just for information and in case you want to comment. I do appreciate your help. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 15:28, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Sm8900: in this context, that may count as casting an aspersion against Moxy, which I would advise you to refrain from in the future. El_C 15:31, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- sorry, but with respect, I disagree. that was not meant as an aspersion against Moxy in any way; I apologize if it seemed like that's what it was. you already know my specific concerns; the comment above did not expand them or add to them in any way. in my opinion, I feel that it is not "casting aspersions" to note specific data from wikipedia, after one has already raised a specific concern. I was not adding to my concern, merely noting some objective information that relates to this topic in general. I'm glad to hear your views on this, and I'm glad to discuss this here. I appreciate your helpful reply. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 15:36, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- You cannot quote passages from the Harassment policy, say that it "is relevant to this specific item," and yet still claim it unconnected to the user to whom you are in dispute here. Sorry, but that just not a reasonable premise. El_C 15:40, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- I am expressing my concerns to you. instead of replying to them or discussing them, you are telling me that merely mentioning them those is something that are going to warn me not to do? is that correct? I think that I don't understand that part, so perhaps you could clarify. Sm8900 (talk) 23:20, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
[M]erely mentioning them those is something that are going to warn me not to do?
— I'm not sure I follow. But you cannot imply that someone is engaged in harassment without evidence, anywhere on Wikipedia, where again, public is public. El_C 02:59, 17 January 2020 (UTC)
- I am expressing my concerns to you. instead of replying to them or discussing them, you are telling me that merely mentioning them those is something that are going to warn me not to do? is that correct? I think that I don't understand that part, so perhaps you could clarify. Sm8900 (talk) 23:20, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- You cannot quote passages from the Harassment policy, say that it "is relevant to this specific item," and yet still claim it unconnected to the user to whom you are in dispute here. Sorry, but that just not a reasonable premise. El_C 15:40, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- sorry, but with respect, I disagree. that was not meant as an aspersion against Moxy in any way; I apologize if it seemed like that's what it was. you already know my specific concerns; the comment above did not expand them or add to them in any way. in my opinion, I feel that it is not "casting aspersions" to note specific data from wikipedia, after one has already raised a specific concern. I was not adding to my concern, merely noting some objective information that relates to this topic in general. I'm glad to hear your views on this, and I'm glad to discuss this here. I appreciate your helpful reply. thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 15:36, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Sm8900: in this context, that may count as casting an aspersion against Moxy, which I would advise you to refrain from in the future. El_C 15:31, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- @Sm8900: this is my talk page, but even if it wasn't, I am permitted to add any "aside" as I see fit to comments I submit! Anyway, as I explained to you earlier today, "varying degrees of competences are required" on Wikipedia. That is not a personal comment, but an evaluation of one's abilities (or lack thereof) with the manner in which they edit Wikipedia. Moxy linking (or mislinking) to that explanatory supplement is not a personal attack, if that is what you're driving at. El_C 06:08, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- I refrain from capitalizing sentences because that is my preference. And please do not change the subject. I am asking for your help with comments pertaining to me personally. --Sm8900 (talk) 05:58, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
What is going on
I don't know what's up with the user Markaz Isthifah but he's making a mess. I've twice reverted edits where he altered the signature on my talk page notices to him.. he's also made a garbage category, altered other talk page notices, and then pasting promo crap in sandboxes. It looks like a language barrier, WP:CIR issue or both. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:17, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- And it looks like you blocked him by the time I finished this message. Well done - thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:17, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I've indeffed them. They are clearly unwilling or unable to communicate at this time. El_C 16:19, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
And I'm willing to bet that it was a sock account of Markaz Isthifah Sunniya, registered a few days ago.My mistake, that account is on other Wikimedia projects but not en-wiki. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 19:00, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
I think I fixed my WP:AE appeal link
I can't ping you there, because of the absence of a signed section. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:14, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Copy that. You are free to respond to comments, though, within reason. El_C 02:23, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Philippines GINI unrevert
Hi. Here, I've undone your recent revert re the 2015 GINI figure for the Philippines in the article on that country. As mentioned in my edit summary for that undo, there is a conflict between this figure and the figure used for ranking which comes from the unreliable List of countries by income equality article, and the supporting source cited in that other article currently throws a 404 error. I have not considered what, if anything, to do about that conflict or looked into that 404 error. Cheers. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 08:17, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for following up, Wtmitchell. That's my bad — I've already apologized to the original editor for my mistake. I very much appreciate your diligence. Regards, El_C 08:20, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Harassment
Could you please tell M.k.m2003 to leave me alone as well? He literally just sent me a mail written in Persian, even though he has been told on several occasions that I don't understand the script. Here's what he wrote, seemingly nothing bad with a quick Google translate. He has been after me this whole day, and seriously lacks WP:COMPETENCE.HistoryofIran (talk) 18:55, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, I'll have another word with him. El_C 18:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi I thought this user is fluent in Persian But he doesn't want to talk, All that I sent him:Apology-Thanks-Sympathy-Avoid future tensions And I didn't say anything bad, This email should not be made public, Please hide it. Thank you M.k.m2003 (talk) 19:45, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
This word to thank:Harassment M.k.m2003 (talk) 19:46, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Google translation will change my mind, If you think this is an insult you can get help from fluent Persian users, All my words are kindly spoken, Without anything offensive M.k.m2003 (talk) 20:19, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Sure, M.k.m2003 — private content removed and revdeleted. El_C 20:50, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Is there a secret ignore button on Wikipedia that I haven't been told about? Could really use it atm. [3] --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:43, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Indeed, they keep saying that they are withdrawing from the discussion, but yet they keep the conflict going somehow. El_C 22:50, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
This user also offends reputable sources, He shamelessly made my email public Although it has been said kindly. What is this template? (زبان مادری این کاربر فارسی است= The native language of this user is Farsi. Yes I was misled by this pattern, He is not Iranian. Tell her to change her user page Because Iranian knows Persian very well M.k.m2003 (talk) 23:19, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- I don't know what you mean
offends reputable sources
, but I suggest you two try to avoid one another in the immediate future. El_C 23:23, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- I sent an email about this Of course with kindness But he declared war by declaring it public, How many times do I have to go back? He is aggressive M.k.m2003 (talk) 23:27, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Please review WP:INDENT. Anyway, granted, mistakes were made on both of your parts, but you keep saying that you're withdrawing from the discussion, yet you keep returning to it, thereby perpetuating the conflict. That is a problem. El_C 23:30, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- @M.k.m2003: Could you stop thanking me for my edits as well? Just completely leave me alone, it's not that hard. I'm getting rather tired of getting constantly pinged by you, thanks. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:43, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) HistoryofIran, FYI, Preferences → Notifications has a "muted users" section where you can list users from whom you do not want to receive notifications. – Levivich 03:14, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- @M.k.m2003: Could you stop thanking me for my edits as well? Just completely leave me alone, it's not that hard. I'm getting rather tired of getting constantly pinged by you, thanks. --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:43, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi @Levivich: I'm not a troll And I was not going to harass But I'm sorry. HistoryofIran My thanks were just a sign of friendship And I certainly won't face you anymore Rest assured. M.k.m2003 (talk) 09:28, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hi M.k.m2003, just be clear, I didn't say or mean to imply that you were a troll; I don't know anything at all about this dispute. I just wanted to mention that if anyone doesn't want to receive notifications from anyone else, the software has a "mute" function in the preferences. That's all. – Levivich 17:08, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Block request
Please block 36.79.253.20 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). S0091 (talk) 00:34, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Already done. El_C 00:35, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for being on top of it. S0091 (talk) 00:36, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Page Protection Request
Hello, I would like to mention these pages Andhra Pradesh, Amaravati, Vishakapatnam and Kurnool to be protected for now. As there is lot of vandalism going on. I request you to please kindly handle this issue as soon as possible. Lakshmisreekanth (talk) 13:38, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- I've already protected Andhra Pradesh earlier today. I'll have a look at the rest momentarily. El_C 13:39, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
sock puppet
Hey. I see that you blocked CounterBritishPropoganda for disruptive editing. I think he's very likely a sock of Missileinfo who was blocked for similar POV edits. A quick look at the usernames of his other sock accounts would tell you he's the same user. Regards. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 17:28, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, I see. Thanks for letting me know. El_C 17:29, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Reliability of a source
Dear El C, since you are familiar with the ongoing discussion on Qasem Soleimani, I was wondering if you would mind telling me if I did right in this edit. Is WP:RSN the correct place to raise the issue? If yes, is the format I used correct? It would be much appreciated if you move/edit it yourself if necessary. Thanks in advance. Ms96 (talk) 09:18, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- I am not actually familiar with the ongoing discussion (which one?) — yes, RSN is a fine resource to raise issues of source reliability.
Feel free to start a request about this there (you don't need me for that), butI see that you already started a request there, so my advise is to be especially concise. Good luck. El_C 10:19, 21 January 2020 (UTC)- Dear El C, it was just archived by bot, could you please take it back? MS 会話 06:41, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
- Also, is there any guideline on applying strikethrough on the comments of a sock [4]? The page looks pretty messy now. MS 会話 07:50, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
- Dear El C, it was just archived by bot, could you please take it back? MS 会話 06:41, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Please review this close
G'day El C
I'm requesting you review this RM close.
I can't even see consensus to move, let alone a snow close.
I suspect that the eventual result of this process will in any case be a new naming convention. If this RM result stands, it's a precedent for many other corporate renames. IMO it would only be a valid snow close if we already had that consensus.
And I'm not against that, but I don't think we're there yet. I could be wrong. Andrewa (talk) 01:58, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Noted and replied on that page. El_C 03:59, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Can you please Semi-Protect this article for a while? It has recently suffered from a spate of anon vandalism, and all of the IP edits dating back to October have been only vandalism. It's really starting to show in the history logs. Thanks. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 18:47, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Re: "We must respect the historical sources" mantra
You forgot to add to your close, "It has been strongly suggested you find different pages to edit so you won't be in conflict with each other". That solution would be less painful for all of us. ;-) -- llywrch (talk) 22:37, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- The problem is that they both edit similar pages, so what do you do? (Short of opting to live in shoe!) El_C 22:40, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- It would be nice. But it also would be nice if someone explained to Mikola22 that edit warring is not good, even in the case of "we must respect the sources."--Nicoljaus (talk) 22:53, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Almost 6 million articles on Wikipedia, & you can't find another one that's interesting to you to edit? -- llywrch (talk) 17:30, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
User:Ms96
Hi, so after the page got unprotected this editor (Ms96) again re-added the disputed text (edited version) even after I told him that there is a RfC and that he cant be bold, and add even an edited version of the disputed text without discussing or proposing it first in the talk page. I don't want the article to be fully protected again. Could be extended confirmed protected because a lot of editors are creating accounts and making disruptive edits like Ayatollah mahdi and this editor in that article. I have sent a notification to Ms96 about the sanctions in Iranian politics related articles.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 20:32, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Now that I was pinged, I say here. Dear El C, please please please read the whole discussion under "lack of neutrality" (as well as "Iranian propaganda Heading") and also "RfC about inclusion of Iranian propaganda section" (maybe you would also be interested in "Polls published by Center for International Security Studies (CISSM) University of Maryland School of Public Policy and Iran Poll" in WP:RSN). I'm doing my best, but this endless disruption is tearing me apart. Ms96 (talk) 20:50, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- While the discussion takes its course, the status quo ante should remain in place, per WP:ONUS. El_C 22:16, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- This is a different issue (not about Ms96) but there is an editor who started a RfC in that article which was completely not neutral and not very clear as I explained here. I don't know what to do. I am just complaining and the editor is not responding. I want to make a new neutral RfC but I don't know how. I think the current RfC should be closed but I am involved in that discussion so I am not very trusted among editors there. If an admin closed the discussion, it would be great, but again, I don't know where to request or how to request closing that RfC.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 22:41, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Already done. I have just clarified the RfC question a few minutes ago. The RfC should not have editorialized and been phrased in such a vague way, but it wasn't as if editors had too hard of a time following what it was, ultimately, asking. I don't think the RfC preferences expressed thus far need to be repeated in a new RfC, however. El_C 22:46, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- We were debating about having a dedicated section about "Iranian propaganda" in that biographical article. You said it is about a paragraph but thats not true. Also editors have already voted in that discussion. I think a new RfC should be made and it was very easy to make a neutral RfC but judging from that editor past in Wikipedia I am not surprised.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 22:50, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- I'm just trying to think of how to phrase the RfC question. Give me a sec. El_C 22:54, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Just close it. It is a mess. A brand new RfC, I will ping all involved editors and those who have already voted. We dont need that unneutral text to be at the beginning even if it was changed. --SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 22:58, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- I get that imperative, but I'm also wary of copying and/or repeating all the responses submitted thus far. I'll bring it to discussion. El_C 23:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- What are you doing!? This user is simply lying! Why should it be closed? MS 会話 23:09, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- He's playing with your mentality! Please spend time and read everything before taking any further action!MS 会話 23:11, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- What are you doing!? This user is simply lying! Why should it be closed? MS 会話 23:09, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- I get that imperative, but I'm also wary of copying and/or repeating all the responses submitted thus far. I'll bring it to discussion. El_C 23:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- Just close it. It is a mess. A brand new RfC, I will ping all involved editors and those who have already voted. We dont need that unneutral text to be at the beginning even if it was changed. --SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 22:58, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- I'm just trying to think of how to phrase the RfC question. Give me a sec. El_C 22:54, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- We were debating about having a dedicated section about "Iranian propaganda" in that biographical article. You said it is about a paragraph but thats not true. Also editors have already voted in that discussion. I think a new RfC should be made and it was very easy to make a neutral RfC but judging from that editor past in Wikipedia I am not surprised.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 22:50, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- This is a different issue (not about Ms96) but there is an editor who started a RfC in that article which was completely not neutral and not very clear as I explained here. I don't know what to do. I am just complaining and the editor is not responding. I want to make a new neutral RfC but I don't know how. I think the current RfC should be closed but I am involved in that discussion so I am not very trusted among editors there. If an admin closed the discussion, it would be great, but again, I don't know where to request or how to request closing that RfC.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 22:41, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
- While the discussion takes its course, the status quo ante should remain in place, per WP:ONUS. El_C 22:16, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Please don't accuse users of lying —that is an aspersion that fails to assume good faith (maybe it was an oversight, why assume "lies"?)— and please also don't assume that anyone could be "playing with [my] mentality," either. The RfC's question editorialized and was too vague, to the point that I conflated the dispute here (top of the section) with it, which is my bad. Anyway, I opened the question to discussion on the article talk page, in any case. There is no need to continue to split the discussion over here, on my talk page. El_C 23:18, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Protection of Isabel dos Santos
Hi El C. I see that you protected Isabel dos Santos last year; I just logged a request for protection again. I see that you have just made edits, so in the hope that you are still logged, could you please take a look? Thanks. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 00:22, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Anything wrong?
Hey, can I ask a question? What's wrong with me thinking Stefka Bulgaria's tendentious editing is being ignored? Please look, in my recent report he kept ignoring our discussions in October 2019. He pretended as if we had no discussion on that. Something is wrong here and he is kindly allowed to go with no warning, the least thing he deserved. --Mhhossein talk 08:13, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Mhhossein apparently didn't have time to reply to a TP discussion that went answered for 9 days, but seems to have plenty of time to advocate for a warning or sanction against me. What would be helpful is more focus on discussing the actual content of the article, and less time filing reports against other editors who have (unlike the OP) actually substantiated their edits on the article's TP. Bless. Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 09:36, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Since your response was given back in back in October 2019. --Mhhossein talk 19:08, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
I would rather avoid splitting the discussion and, in general, not entertain MEK spillovers onto my talk page — that should be reserved only for the most urgent cases. I've already addressed some of these concerns on the article talk page, where I have indeed cautioned and instructed them on how to move forward. Feel free to respond there, especially to my proposal regarding what duration there ought to be for repeating exhausted topics. El_C 20:13, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Awful protection
over Gurbaksh Chahal. You have (literally) got 5 editors with 20,000+ edit counts deeming the opposing editor as an UPE-SPA. He managed to game ECP by mass-firing IABot and now, you have sysop-protected. ∯WBGconverse 12:43, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- El_C. Please, see this ANI thread, reduce your protection and look in over there—your colleague Deepfriedokra wants a second opinion. ——SN54129 12:53, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
- Sure, will look further into it. El_C 13:00, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
Why revert me?
Why have you reverted me on my own sister's talk page? Halo Jerk1 (talk) 11:23, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
- Because it his her talk page. See your own talk page for more details about your problematic editing in that regards. Let's continue the conversation there. El_C 11:26, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Notice of noticeboard discussion
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 00:38, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
Your insight please
If possible, I need to know your response to my query made here. Regards. --Mhhossein talk 15:37, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
- I had already made a (9 month) proposal to address that, though. In that very section. El_C 15:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
If you want to keep the full protection that is fine, but will prevent further expansion of technical details involving the crash when such information is released. Please do restore the article with full protection if that is the case. There is no discussion stating the crash is not notable, therefore we should have both unless a discussion is opened and closed in favor of merging the two. Valoem talk contrib 23:41, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
- I didn't make the decision. The protecting admin did. I merely added the template for the bot. El_C 23:43, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
protection of Sikorsky S-76 seems excessive
Full protection of Sikorsky S-76 seems excessive after reverts by one quickly blocked user. Most of the edits today seem reasonable. Shouldn't we just block the user? Nfitz (talk) 02:11, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Already done. There was more than one user, it seemed, but regardless, I think you're right. I've gone ahead and reduced the full portection to semi. El_C 02:13, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
- I suppose I'm dreaming, but I think EC protection on all the articles involved here makes sense. There are so many clueless editors on these talk pages makes it next to impossible to get anything done. Someone mentioned a video on Talk:Death of Kobe Bryant of unclear copyright. I explained that we couldn't possibly use it unless copyright were addressed. I also stated I'd continue to oppose on the basis of good taste. I get a reply "What is this good taste you speak of?" Sorry...why should an experienced editor have to deal with crap like that? Articles like these need people who understand policies to shepherd them. Eliminating the clueless would greatly simplify that. Can't the DS for BLP be used to justify that? New editors cannot possibly understand the nuances of BLP at the level needed. Also, many of the editors are from our sports articles. There is a considerable amount of difference in the levels of sourcing required for a technical article on an aircraft disaster than for a general bio of a sports figure...not that there should be, but there is. I suppose this is a pipedream. John from Idegon (talk) 05:42, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Sockpuppet of User:Nbro
User:AeoNew. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:28, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Already done. Looks like ToBeFree took care of it. El_C 04:10, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Turkmens
So you locked the page for Turkmens. So what are you suppose to do with somebody who doesn't want to engage in talk page ? Times and times again I told him to discuss since September 2019. He doesn't allow anyone to edit Y-DNA genetic evidence of Turkmen. Who's right and who's wrong ? Am I suppose to just let him do what he wants when there's no mod/admin editor interfering ? Talk:Turkmens#Why_exclude_mentioning_the_Turkmen's_haplogroups_Q_and_other_Y-DNA_haplogroup DerekHistorian (talk) 12:53, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
- The page has only been protected for less than 2 days. Please use dispute resolution and accompanying requests to get more outside input into the dispute. El_C 17:05, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
- DerekHistorian, most of your article edits are reverts of Hunan201p's edits. Even after you received a page block two days ago! Please follow El C's advice and go to dispute resolution. You really need the involvement of other editors in this ongoing dispute or you are heading towards a longer block. Liz Read! Talk! 17:34, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Excessive move protection
Hi, I feel that it would make more sense if the move protection you applied to this article was lowered to extended-confirmed level, especially since a majority of users agree that said article's current title does not comply with convention. ToThAc (talk) 00:13, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- I would rather the move request process supersede bold moves, actually. El_C 00:15, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- Except I have yet to see a single valid argument in the discussion for keeping the article at its current title. I plan to move the page while narrowing down the discussion to just the original proposed title and another proposed title brought up in the discussion. ToThAc (talk) 00:39, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, but the move request needs to be properly closed before a move can proceed. El_C 00:48, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- Except I have yet to see a single valid argument in the discussion for keeping the article at its current title. I plan to move the page while narrowing down the discussion to just the original proposed title and another proposed title brought up in the discussion. ToThAc (talk) 00:39, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
The discussion was just archived
Dear El C, the discussion was just archived, I was wondering if you'd mind taking it back. Thanks in advance.
Is there a guideline on wiping out all edits by a sock [5] and applying strikethrough on all their comments [6]? For instance see this MS 会話 10:28, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, but per this, I am taking a break from any and all SharabSalam-related items — which, as I mention elsewhere, does not however precludes me from acting as an uninvolved admin in regards to them. El_C 13:00, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- I perfectly understand, Thanks. MS 会話 13:15, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
EPR paradox
El Che, can you help with the EPR paradox page? The IP user that was edit warring last time simply waited for the full protection to expire, and did exactly the same edit again. I'd undo the edit myself, but then it would be me edit warring. Tercer (talk) 10:42, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- Yet you have failed to engage the article talk, as well — why is that? Anyway, I semiprotected the page for 2 months. Perhaps that would motivate the IP to engage on the article talk page. In which case, I would expect you to participate, also. Thanks and good luck. El_C 13:00, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- Because I didn't think the IP user would engage. If they do, I'll be happy to join the discussion. Thanks for your help. Tercer (talk) 13:07, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- It's always best to assume that they would. Anyway, sounds good. And you're welcome. El_C 13:10, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- Because I didn't think the IP user would engage. If they do, I'll be happy to join the discussion. Thanks for your help. Tercer (talk) 13:07, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you
Man thank you very much for locking Azerbaijan page. Unfortunately you have locked it with wrong revision. It is wrong to have "In the aftermath of the Russo-Persian Wars all of what is today Azerbaijan was ceded from Persia to the Russian Empire" statement under country profile as it has nothing to do with it, also this fact covered under Contemporary History section of same article.
There were two IPs continuously changing it. I gave them multiple warnings but they refused to discuss it under TALK tab.
Could you please also do same to below article as same IPs keep changing it without proper justification.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijani_language
Regards,
Mirhasanov (talk) 13:55, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- But you did not discuss it on the article talk page, either — until now, now that the article has been protected. As for the wrong version, that is something heard so often when pages are protected it has sort of become a running gag, I'm sorry to say. Anyway, if the IP fails to engage on the article talk page for, say, a few days, I will revert to the other version. Good luck. El_C 14:00, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Please take a look
if you've got time, at [7] where they seem to be adding dates later than the source. I can see you edited Colorado which I think has more than one number vandal. Doug Weller talk 14:41, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- I'm on it. El_C 14:43, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks
I wasn't really sure what to do with that image vandal, but thank you for being on it so fast. If only you could erase the history from my eyes too lol. Lcodyh803 (talk) 01:09, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- No worries. Thankfully, I didn't actually look at the images, I just saw the image titles in the diff window. El_C 01:11, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
EE AE
Good idea
Extended semi on EE topics won't hurt :) Do you think a motion to the committee for amendment would be the right way to go? I haven't seen so many socks in this topic area since late 2000s. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- Indeed, I do. The sheer number of socks lately, I feel, warrants something similar to ARBPIA to be applied to EE. El_C 15:27, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- RfPP is as usual a hit or miss depending on the admin lottery: [8]. Same article where this new sock was/is pretty active. Speedy decline in 15m, sigh... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:12, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- But this might change if the Committee approves systemically applying 500-30 by motion for the EE topic area. El_C 16:16, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- I will support 500-30 for EE if it is proposed. Zerotalk 02:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- But this might change if the Committee approves systemically applying 500-30 by motion for the EE topic area. El_C 16:16, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
- RfPP is as usual a hit or miss depending on the admin lottery: [8]. Same article where this new sock was/is pretty active. Speedy decline in 15m, sigh... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:12, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
re: recommended CU
In Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Volunteer_Marek you wrote " Recommend to checkuser the filer. " Will a CU do this or should someone file an SPI to get the ball rolling? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 20:57, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- Unless you have a master/sock in mind, it will do you no good to file a report at SPI.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:41, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- A few names were thrown around, but, I myself, am not familiar with either of them well enough to advise further. El_C 22:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- Ping User:Volunteer Marek, User:MyMoloboaccount, do you recognize the pattern? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 22:22, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Some old and some new ones:
- MozeTak (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Mr._Roger_Smith (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Agent_Mosh (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 17:16, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- MyMoloboaccount, no surprises there. Again, I think that widely applying the 500-30 requirement to ARBEE could help curtail the disruption brought by various single-purpose accounts in this topic area. So, I encourage participants to petition the Committee to adopt such a measure by motion. Good luck. El_C 17:24, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
AE closure
Hey,
Yesterday you've closed an AE because of apparent "socking". I'm not disputing the closure, but I am concerned that the subject of the complaint was allowed to launch a nasty tirade against me, full of aspersions and PAs. I would appreciate it if you could review my comments there[9] - in particular the first and last paragraphs, that deal with WP:CIVILITY and with VM's obnoxious comments - and tell me what you think. François Robere (talk) 12:37, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- I don't understand why you hitched your wagon to such a shoddy case, in the first place. What did you expect to have happened? I think you need to draft your own request, to admins at AE or to the Committee itself, once and for all. I'm not inclined to examine any disparate components of your dispute with VM all on my own, though I might (might) do it alongside a quorum of admins if there is a proper request submitted. And I would say the same thing to him. This is too complicated and entrenched of a dispute for one admin to attend to on their own. A cogent, coherent and concise account that is added in the context of a legitimate request would be necessary, if either of you were serious about addressing your long-running dispute head-on. El_C 13:10, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- I regret that's how it's perceived; for me it was simply a matter of commenting on an editor who I know all too well. As I stated elsewhere, this sort of whodunit politics is not something I favor, though it obviously dictates much of the goings on at ANI and AE. That said, I have a major problem with the fact that an editor is allowed to insinuate that another has had a connection with actual criminal activities, and admins don't rein him in immediately because the case was opened inappropriately. VM's comments were completely gratuitous - they had nothing to do with the case, and there's no reason admins wouldn't examine them as-is. Oh, and bringing it up separately? You know full well there's no chance in hell something like this, argued in what some editors call "the peanut gallery", would be "cogent" and "concise" - it would be a mud bath. Speaking of a "chilling effect"... François Robere (talk) 15:15, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- Your end of a legitimate request is what you make of it — that I know full well. Anyway, if there are matters that are criminal in nature or insinuate that — contact the Foundation or the Arbitration Committee directly. Don't ask a single admin to take that on by themselves. That is not a fair proposition. El_C 17:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- I didn't say there was something criminal going on, I said VM insinuated that without proof. I shouldn't need to contact the WMF to deal with something like this when there are three perfectly good admins on that thread. François Robere (talk) 16:46, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- Your end of a legitimate request is what you make of it — that I know full well. Anyway, if there are matters that are criminal in nature or insinuate that — contact the Foundation or the Arbitration Committee directly. Don't ask a single admin to take that on by themselves. That is not a fair proposition. El_C 17:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- I regret that's how it's perceived; for me it was simply a matter of commenting on an editor who I know all too well. As I stated elsewhere, this sort of whodunit politics is not something I favor, though it obviously dictates much of the goings on at ANI and AE. That said, I have a major problem with the fact that an editor is allowed to insinuate that another has had a connection with actual criminal activities, and admins don't rein him in immediately because the case was opened inappropriately. VM's comments were completely gratuitous - they had nothing to do with the case, and there's no reason admins wouldn't examine them as-is. Oh, and bringing it up separately? You know full well there's no chance in hell something like this, argued in what some editors call "the peanut gallery", would be "cogent" and "concise" - it would be a mud bath. Speaking of a "chilling effect"... François Robere (talk) 15:15, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- "VM's comments were completely gratuitous - they had nothing to do with the case" - this is completely false. A likely sock puppet of an indefinitely banned user filed an AE against me. You supported that account in edit warring on the article. You supported that account on the talk page. When I pointed out that it was a likely sock puppet you went after me and accused me of incivility. You then posted taunts to my talk page, despite me having asked you previously not to post to my talk page. You have supported sock puppets of the same user in the past on many occasions on other articles. You had "cooperated" with the indefinitely banned user and he was your close "wiki friend", prior to their indef ban on over 40 articles and in more than a hundred discussions. This came up during the ArbCom case.
- You, and only you, MADE A CHOICE. To show up at the WP:AE report and comment there, agitating for a sanction against me. You made your comment about me at 18:25, 30 January 2020. I did not even mention you prior to that, with my response to you - and the first mention of you - being made at 19:23, 30 January 2020, about an hour after your comments in support of the likely sock puppet. Had you NOT CHOSEN to come there and support the sock puppet, I would not have said anything about you. But once you did, your obvious support for the various Icewhiz related sock puppet accounts over the past three months became VERY pertinent.
- The fact that this support reflects badly on you is not my fault. These are YOUR actions and YOUR choices.
- There's a very very very easy way for YOU to solve this problem. Stop supporting all the Icewhiz related socks that pop up in this topic area. To show good faith, you can even revert these YOURSELF (they're easy to spot, the POV is always the same), per WP:DENY and WP:BANREVERT. If you think these socks raise pertinent issues then 1) revert them yourself first, 2) don't revert others when they revert them and then 3) bring up the issue on the talk page in good faith as in "ok, I know this is another sock puppet but in this instance they make a good point, what do other editors think?" (if they actually do). If you took that approach then perhaps there'd be some progress here. As it is, you're just facilitating the continuation of the WP:BATTLEGROUND that Icewhiz created and that led to the ArbCom case in the first place. Volunteer Marek 23:37, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- Oh and like I said at the WP:AE. As soon as one sock gets banned or called out (and stops editing)
another onetwo more immediately pops up [10] [11]. Volunteer Marek 23:43, 1 February 2020 (UTC)- Hail Hyda! PackMecEng (talk) 23:46, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- Looking closer at the 2nd one, it's not Icewhiz himself, it's this guy. They got to be buddies on Reddit and Wikipediocracy. Volunteer Marek 23:58, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- By all means, Marek - if you're so sure of your case - bring it to AE. Explain to them how it was I who edit-warred, when it was you who made 16 edits on that article in two days in violation of a T-ban.[12] Tell them how after I had the page protected and asked everyone to discuss,[13][14] you couldn't help but launch another PA in my direction at an admin's page.[15] Tell them of my "taunting" - in actuality just reminder of WP:CIVILITY - to which you replied with "How many times exactly have I have had to ask you NOT to fucking post on my talk page?????... Don't EVER post on this page again".[16] When you finish that, do explain that there are several "sock-masters" in the TA, some of whom you support - without as much as a peep on my end, mind you;[17] and that in many a case I did not restore anonymous edits or even support them. If you don't do that, it might look as disingenuous on your part as bringing up an article I've been editing for two years as an example of "canvassing",[18] or claiming Icewhiz is the reason you dislike me, when you've been sending obnoxious comments my way since before he was around.[19][20] Get all of that proper and we might as well skip WP:BATTLEGROUND, which is a whole discussion in and unto itself. François Robere (talk) 02:17, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- I did not make "16 edits on that article in two days in violation of a T-ban". This is simply completely false. I made one edit which could possibly be considered an accidental T-ban violation because the sock account snuck in a small piece of irrelevant text into a previous sentence, obviously trying to engineer an artificial violation. The fact you're trying to so shamelessly WP:GAME this and are trying to use the sock's sneakiness, is telling. The fact that you falsify what happened into "16 topic ban violations" exemplifies your approach to editing Wikipedia in general. Likewise your claim that I have supported socks is utterly false. It's just gaslighting. I have not supported a single sock puppet in this topic area. In fact what I say in your diff [21] "that account should also be looked into and possibly banned". Stop making blatantly false statements about me.
- But you know what's really telling?
- The fact that as yet another sock puppet pops up [22], created day after the other one stopped editing after being called out at AE for being one, and sure enough, there you are again, defending the sock puppet's edits [23] and agitating on their behalf. And you have the nerve to accuse me of making "tirades" when your actions in support of these Icewhiz sock puppets are so shamelessly transparent and obvious! Maybe if you stopped supporting Icewhiz's socks all the time, then, gee, people wouldn't say that you support Icewhiz's socks. The proof is right there in your own actions. Volunteer Marek 08:29, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Andy Ngo
El C, I wanted to ask your take on the comment Calton left on my talk page here [[24]] in reply to my request here [[25]]. Given the contentious nature of the Andy Ngo article I think accusations such as "whitewashing crusade" are particularly problematic. We don't have to agree but in cases where we have roughly equal numbers of editors on both sides of a proposed change I would want an experienced editor to go to the talk page rather than make bad faith accusations. Thanks Springee (talk) 02:58, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- Springee, sorry, but I'm a bit burned out today and am not actually looking to immediately take on anything too intense. But AE/AN/ANI are at your disposal. El_C 03:13, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- Springee: it's not "bad faith", it's long-term observation of your editing patterns. Hell, "bad faith" is probably a fair description you making that claim. --Calton | Talk 03:23, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- Calton, yes, it is a bad faith accusation. You are claiming my actions are based on a wish to whitewash a subject rather than because I think the change makes for a better article. Furthermore, I hope you can see that such accusations, (for example your edit summary here [[26]]), and repeated the same on my talk page [[27]], creates needless hostility. Finally, regardless of your opinion regarding my motives, NOCON still applies. Springee (talk) 04:17, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/India-related articles#Legislative Assembly constituency names
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/India-related articles#Legislative Assembly constituency names. Italawar (talk) 14:11, 1 February 2020 (UTC)Template:Z48
Misandry article
Could you please take a look at the slow burn edit war going on at Misandry? Maybe semiprotect? Crossroads -talk- 18:57, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Using Youtube videos as sources
User:Ahendra is using personal commentary videos [28] on seemingly many articles. He generally uses non-RS sources, and doesn't seem to shy away from edit warring. His edits generally seem like pov-pushing, and he just reverted me here, lol. [29].
EDIT: Also, could you please do something with this user? [30] He keeps spamming me, even though I answered him hours ago here [31] (not the best answer, but I can't be bothered with the stuff he writes, he basically rejects sources that he doesn't agree with, and doesn't have the best English-speaking skills, and I'm really certainly not qualified to teach people stuff like that, yet no one answered him and he thought that meant he could have a free reign in altering the article).
He hasn't done a single constructive edit since his day one, heavily lacks WP:COMPETENCE and tries to push his POV on various articles in various ways, for example: [32] [33] [34] [35] [36] [37] --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:04, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- let me give my reason, the source which complained by HistoryofIran was non RS
- firstly he had title from legit academy:
1 tun abdul razak 2 Medina university
proof: https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Basalamah
- secondly he had official crew which operated in youtube and has renewable backup source for his media which can be accounted for
- thirdly, he had backup from his lectures from legitimate Islamic academic organization that has been legally operate under the law of Indonesia/Government. the organization is
proof: https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hidayatullah_(organisasi)Ahendra (talk) 20:41, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- edit: i also include the backup sources which uploaded by Dr. Khalid Basalamah team in the reference link= https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.khbofficial.mobile&hl=en
which always reverted by HistoryofIran, as i have said earlier Dr. Khalid Basalamah has grade title in Master of Arts and Lecturer from University of Medina and Tun Abdul Razak University in Malaysia in the field of Seerah(history of Islam) and let me put the pont that Dr Khalid activity were under the wing of legal organization of Islamic Academy study named Hidayatullah organization which legally operated under the law of Indonesian government,
which HistoryofIran reverted Ahendra (talk) 20:42, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- We use academic scholarly sources here on Wikipedia, not Youtube rants by clerics/preachers that tries to push a certain POV. That's kinda like using Joe Rogan's podcast as a source. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:47, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- It is not Youtube rant with certain POV especially if the 'preacher' has certified title in two academic title from legit universities. and more importantly the content is not just pushing some kind of POV, but it is Public lecture that discuss the matter in history, not just preaching like usual sermon
i can assure you with several Indonesian native speakers wikipedia contributors that Dr Khalid Basalamah is talking about biography which sourced from Arabic historians which mainly used in this article
and what is not scholarly for HistoryofIran if the source has legit title of Master of Arts in: 1 tun abdul razak 2 Medina university Ahendra (talk) 20:55, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, this is a lot. But, indeed, Ahendra, YouTube videos from non-notable sources should not be added to articles. El_C 21:04, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Curiosity
Sorry I am confused how you see my mention of "I have a life outside of wikipedia" as a Personal attack, but them saying to me "Go back to your torpor, see you again in 2024" is not, If you read through their previous edit reasons calling people "Pigs" and "Reverse morons" (although 13-14 years ago), So there are a set of rules for them and different rules for everyone else.
Their mention of "go back to your torpor" is basically stating go hibernate for another 4 years you lifeless loser (That is my interpretation) and as such I see it as a personal attack on me (Which is why I stated unlike some I have a life outside of wikipedia (I thought it was the other part that was the personal attack)).
If you see the full history of that conversation you may see this differently. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I%27m_a_Celebrity...Get_Me_Out_of_Here!_(Australian_season_6)&action=history
And yes I did state "Possibly removed for OCD reasons" due to their insistence of repeatedly removing the teaser without a reason other than "show's over, no need for antiquated teaser" by 10 minutes. Then they put an edit on my talk page saying how rude, I only followed up politely also stating "feel free to remove my comment" until they said "go back to your torper" which is rude.
As I said to them and I am going to say to you feel free to remove this edit (I don't know if wikipedia has a form of private messaging so I do it this way). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bja1608 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- No, I was not aware. But I think you two should give one another some space. An interaction between you two is clearly proving unproductive at this time. El_C 05:43, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- I do agree which is why I removed my comments and their reply from their talk page. I only tried to add the removed trailer which neither I nor the other person who kept the "I'm a celebrity page" up to date understood why it was removed (If you look at the talk page) and when we added back in they removed it immediately (As mentioned above was the reason for my mention of possibly OCD). When they put a message on my talk page saying how rude I only replied on their talk page (which under the circumstances I actually thought my first response was polite (I did however think their reply was rude contributing to my response)). I did not state that they are OCD only the insistance of removing the teaser seems like something someone with that would do. I believe I now know why looking at their profile page it has been vandalised so many times in the last 14 years (I was actually going to do so (but decided that would be extremely rude), and instead decided on a polite post in their talk page).Bja1608 (talk) 05:53, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks for the explanation, Bja1608. El_C 05:55, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- For the record, I did not call anyone a pig in 2006, I commented on an entry about a pig, [38] WWGB (talk) 13:05, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Jaggi Vasudev
Hello,
Messaging for advise on how to proceed with Jaggi Vasudev. I had brought it up at BLP:N some days ago. That discussion hasn't been very productive in building consensus. I pointed out some of the issues with the page and another editor pointed out other stuff. But it hasn't exactly been a great discussion. Unfortunately, talk page conversations don't seem to be very productive with this page either. Someone suggested a revert to an older version. Since BLP guidelines are pretty strict and the page as it stood was out of line with those by a long shot (in my opinion), I reverted to that suggested version a little while ago.
While I don't believe the version I reverted to is great, I feel it is better (or less bad) than what was on earlier. My revert reads like a resume for sure, but it doesn't seem to suffer from weak sourcing and OR and many of the other issues listed in the BLP noticeboard. I'm willing to take a stab at "de-resume-ing" my revert. I feel it would be easier to arrive at a sensible article if I start with the version I reverted to (the resume), than the earlier version (which I listed in BLPN, and is more or less the same as the one you edited).
However, all changes are going into pending review mode for this page. So wanted to know if what I mentioned is the right course of action and how I should go about it. Thanks. Tamilmama (talk) 07:02, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hi, Tamilmama . Yes, that indeed sounds like the correct course of action and you have my support in pursuing it. El_C 07:04, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Ok. Thank you. Bit of a technical question. How do I handle the Pending Review stuff? Do I just make edits on my old revert (now 3-4 versions old) and keep going from there? All of it will probably pile up as pending review. Tamilmama (talk) 07:10, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- You know what? I'm not sure. But it should work fine once the revision is approved. I'll keep an eye, in any case. El_C 07:14, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Ok. Thank you. Bit of a technical question. How do I handle the Pending Review stuff? Do I just make edits on my old revert (now 3-4 versions old) and keep going from there? All of it will probably pile up as pending review. Tamilmama (talk) 07:10, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- It is obvious why certain editors are clamouring to revert back to a certain version that served as an advertisement page for the cult leader. That version had multiple issues and was tagged as such. The article cannot be reverted to a problematic version just because it is the favourite version of the fans. If you have problems with the content of the current version, feel free to raise the issues on the talk and follow WP:DR DBigXrayᗙ 07:11, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, I may have misunderstood the abovementioned proposal. If this is about reverting back to a sanitized version that lacks critical components — I am against that. El_C 07:14, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Not suggesting a sanitized version. My suggestion is to create an actual encyclopedia article, not a resume or a tar 'em in black version. Tamilmama (talk) 07:29, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, good. That's what I'm after, too. An article that is neither an attack nor a promotion. El_C 07:33, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- The way forward will be to propose a line or two in neutral tone with excellent sources on the talk page, get Consensus to get it added and then add it. Same for removing something that You don't like. DBigXrayᗙ 07:42, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
You have been called names
Here Talk:Jaggi_Vasudev#Regarding_biased_page (diff). Probably Che's pic above did the trick. Can this namecalling be allowed on a talk page of controversial article ? violates WP:NOTFORUM IMHO. DBigXrayᗙ 07:44, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Done. El_C 07:46, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Careful, or he may taunt you a second time. Levivich 07:54, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- I need the holy hand grenade! El_C 07:55, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Careful, or he may taunt you a second time. Levivich 07:54, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- WRT [39]
leftist ... moderate
: like, you want the proletariat to seize the means of production, but only if that's a compromise between the status quo and executing the aristocracy? (Maybe this was funnier in my head than written out ....) --JBL (talk) 14:05, 3 February 2020 (UTC)- Joel B. Lewis, It is still funny and I had not noticed it yet. My brain had been reading it as moderator (admin) and I guess that is what was intended.
DBigXrayᗙ 14:12, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree about what was intended. :) --JBL (talk) 14:14, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Joel B. Lewis, It is still funny and I had not noticed it yet. My brain had been reading it as moderator (admin) and I guess that is what was intended.
Please block user
Please block 2402:8100:2061:BA89:C229:EBB1:1C49:4E65 as this user is doing wrong edits to Delhi Airport page. Ajaybhal619 (talk) 09:00, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Vandalism
The petty vandalism on California's 28th congressional district was reverted, but you then deleted the edit record. Why did you go so far as to delete it, please? I think it should remain in the edit history. —GoldRingChip 20:39, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, just to be clear… I agree that the reversion was necessary because it was vandalism. I just don't know why the edit history was deleted. Bad-mouthing a national politician is absolutely worthy of reversion, but it's hardly unusual enough to merit edit deletion. —GoldRingChip 23:25, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- The fame or stature of the living person does not diminish the risk the project incurs from defamatory statements made against them. Vandalism like that example, which also constitutes a BLP violation, is revdeleted as a matter of course. El_C 00:26, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Block notice
Hello, my block has been expired and i can contribute edit again, but seems the block notice still appeared in my page. how s that possible? Ahendra (talk) 22:19, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- Ahendra, you were only partially blocked from one article, but you squandered that boon and are now blocked site wide. El_C 00:26, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Downgrading of Cossacks page from fully protected to unprotected
As the correct protocol is to first ask the admin that upgraded the protection level of the page to lower it before initiating a request on the relevant page I am writing to you asking you to please lower the protection level of the Cossacks page. I have now engaged in the talk page, supplied them with the full quotations, as well as citations and creditentials of those I am quoting from. Hence, can I please ask you to lower the protection policy of the page and help retain and preserve my edit. Also curious as to why an edit was allowed to be made after me without consensus yet was allowed to be kept. Thank you for arbitrating the page. Regards~~DanielLerish — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanielLerish (talk • contribs) 15:15, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- While a content dispute remains unresolved, per WP:ONUS the status quo ante version ought to be the one that's displayed, anyway. You are the one who needed to gain consensus for your new change, not the other way around. But I edited the protected page accordingly because you seem to have been refusing to discuss the matter on the article talk page. I suspect that unprotecting the page would be premature at this time. Continue to discuss the matter on the article talk page until you reach resolution. If you find yourself at an impasse, please feel free to make use of dispute resolution and accompanying requests to bring further outside input to the dispute. Might I also suggest a less aggressive approach (i.e. your section header, which you titled: "New levels of banality and time wastage as well as selective justice" is a bit much) toward fostering a more collegial dialogue? El_C 18:29, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- WP:ONUS is really directed towards people attempting to insert random information that is factual and corroborated into irrelevant Wikipedia pages. "Consensus may determine that certain information should be omitted or presented instead in a different article". I really don't see how the origins of Cossacks is irrelevant to the Cossacks page and really dont think it would fit well anywhere else. As much as I appreciate your arbitration I am still not sure whether you understand the full problem, I made my first edit on the 30th January to CLCStudents version and explained why, another edit was made after mine that did not revert it back to the favoured "state quo ante" but back to a new version that had not gained a consensus and that has now been protected by you and that I disputed. The new version, made after my own, that did not return my edit back to the status quo ante reads as follows-" predominantly located in Southern Russia in the steppes of Russia,[1] as well as in Eastern and Southern Ukraine within the borders of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.[2]" This quote has gone from the 'status quo ante' of just saying "predominately locating in Southern Russia and Southeast Ukraine" to further undermining the Ukrainian nation in the development of cossackdom by complicating it further with Southern and Eastern as well as within the borders of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth again to further undermine any Ukrainian claim. On the other hand he has emphasized/embellished Russia's role by writing predominantly located in Southern Russia and then repeating again in the Steppes of Russia, blurring the lines of geography and statehood to push an agenda, during the relevant time it was known as Muscovy or the Tsardom of Russia. Not only is this really bad language skills but its very obvious what is going on here, even as an impartial person you can see. Its hard to foster a collegial dialogue when your efforts, time and the truth are consistently removed through gang handed tactics. I hope you can understand all I am trying to make a very simple and factual edit and have it preserved. I really hope you can help me achieve that. Kind RegardsDanielLerish (talk) 14:12, 5 February 2020 (UTC)DanielLerish
- Please review WP:INDENT. I am not inclined to get involved in the actual content dispute — it is outside my scope of expertise, anyway. Anyway, WP:ONUS concludes by saying:
[t]he onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is upon those seeking to include disputed content.
If the material you are trying to add is disputed, then you need to gain consensus for it before adding it back. Again, if the talk page discussion reaches an impasse, use a dispute resolution request, like a Request for Comment, to bring further outside input into the dispute. If one the versions is, indeed, fringe, it will most likely be rejected by the participants. I am not arbitrating the dispute and am not allowed to take sides in it. My only imperative, when it comes to this content dispute, is to prevent edit warring, which is disruptive to an article's stability. Once again, I suggest you moderate your attitude regarding "gang handed tactics," and so on, as it is likely to hinder editorial collaboration. It serves everyone's best interests if you were to attempt to get your point across while projecting good faith and moderation instead of aggression and confrontation. Good luck. El_C 16:44, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
- Please review WP:INDENT. I am not inclined to get involved in the actual content dispute — it is outside my scope of expertise, anyway. Anyway, WP:ONUS concludes by saying:
MEK
I was very surprised that the ping was not sent, it's not normal really! Anyway, I wonder if you check this discussion and recent edits to of MEK article.Saff V. (talk) 06:18, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
- Why are you duplicating the same comment to me and Vanamonde93 — what gives? El_C 06:20, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
So should I think that a "new user"(Mohammad Taseen Patoary (talk · contribs)) with 1 edit is not a sock puppet? After the interaction between user:Ahendra and an IP that is apparently Itaqallah (talk · contribs), my assumption of good faith is pretty much gone. --Kansas Bear (talk) 06:38, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
- I don't know. I'm not that familiar with the editing history of that article. But please feel free to file a sock investigation if you're reasonably confident this is so. El_C 06:43, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
I guess the IP does not know that the Nauvoo Legion was made up of Mormons... Shearonink (talk) 07:01, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
- I gotta read up on the Utah War, myself — I don't know a lot about it. El_C 07:08, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Bluebird K7 - okay with revert to status quo?
Looking at the history of Bluebird K7, it looks like at least one of the editors involved has a conflict of interest with that article. I see you've semi-protected it; do you have any objection if I roll it back to the 31 December 2018 version, before the edit warring started yesterday? —C.Fred (talk) 18:40, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
- The status quo ante version works for me. El_C 18:46, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Mookie Betts Reduction in Protection level.
Those edits that you consider "disruptive" or "vandalism" are in fact Facts. Mookie Betts is a Los Angeles Dodger. The Deal has been agreed upon, I would Bet a years worth of my paychecks that he will end up playing for LA. Please change "Extended confirmed protection" to "Semi-protection" as so we can fix this outdated information. I have a few sources to back up what I am talking about. one witch is from MLB themselves.They are the number 1 source for baseball material. If they are reporting it then it must be a fact and not just speculation.[1] I also have a source from CBS, the people that bring us the world news everynight. Those people do not lie.[2]. Even the La Times reported on this breaking Fact. [3]. So as you can clearly see from MLB AND CBS. Mookie Betts has been Traded away to the Los Angeles Dodgers. The Deal is agreed upon and it is common Fact, just like we know Donald trump is the President of the united States, we also know that Mookie Betts is a Los Angeles Dodger, He is not a Padres, he is not a Red Sox, He is in FACT a Los Angeles Dodger. Thank you and have a good day sir. I hope you take this information into consideration.Jarmusic2 (talk) 10:15, 6 February 2020 (UTC)jarmusic2Jarmusic2 (talk) 10:15, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
References
- Just make an edit request — if enough editors agree, it is sure to be added to the article. I would rather that any request for reduction in protection were to be submitted to Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Current_requests_for_reduction_in_protection_level. I simply don't know enough about what is considered a fact in the sport world to risk jumping the gun. Any admin is free to reverse me and does not need to consult me in any way whatsoever. Thanks. El_C 15:14, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Wuhan coronavirus move protection
Hey El C,
I wasn't meaning to be move warring, just reverting a mistake. If the issue is that the page I moved it to has "novel" rather than "Wuhan" (which you are correct, the move discussion revolves around), and you're taking me be pre-concluding that discussion, than by all means keep it with "Wuhan coronavirus". But could you please make the title unambigous by changing it to "2019–20 outbreak of Wuhan coronavirus" ? I don't see why anyone should have any beef with that.
Regards, and not meaning to cause trouble, Sean Heron (talk) 16:22, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, Sean Heron, I would rather not make nay further changes to the article's title, which I already had to move back (request) and which is already being discussed here — a discussion which you are welcome to participate in. If the consensus, either at AN or on the article talk page, is that your latest proposed title indeed, is uncontroversial, I have no problem moving it accordingly. Thanks. El_C 16:35, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Ok, I'll try that route (tedious as it is :P). Thanks for the reply! Regards Sean Heron (talk) 20:05, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Awarding a goat
I apologise in advance as this is not your job. But would you mind explaining to me what is this "awarding a goat"? I followed the image link you left at ANI, and see it is linked in an earlier discussion at Douma Talk. Is this U.S. slang for something? Or a wikipedia in-joke? I googled it and got List of people who have won Academy, Emmy, Grammy, and Tony Awards and then this. Which was pretty funny but did not help. Cambial Yellowing❧ 16:29, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
- I dunno — goats are funny...? El_C 16:37, 6 February 2020 (UTC)
Greece–Palestine relations
Hello, this user is still undoing my edits.--Sakiv (talk) 18:50, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
AE
Hi El C. Since you closed my discussion at ANI, do you plan to address it at AE, or do consider Pudeo's accusation acceptable in the context of an AE report? - MrX 🖋 23:05, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
- Their conclusion seem to have been made in error, technically. Sure, I'll make a note of it. El_C 23:10, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
FlyboyRob2112
I have looked at their UTRS request to be unblocked; they say they will agree to a topic ban from US politics and a 0RR restriction on themselves. What do you think? 331dot (talk) 11:28, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
- The problem with a topic ban is that it's provisionally voluntary, which leaves the project open to another meltdown to go along with the next political crisis. Is that something they addressed? That is to say, the harm done to the project with their disruptive edits as well as the personal attacks that accompanied these? I can't access UTRS, so I can't tell the level of introspection. But I'm fine leaving to you to do as you see fit. El_C 11:40, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Daniel Dubois (boxer) revdel request
Hi El C, will you please revdel this edit [40]. S0091 (talk) 17:36, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Done. El_C 17:41, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks! S0091 (talk) 17:48, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Request for ANI follow-up
@El C:
Noting your reversion of 5patrickgilles5 at the I'm Charlie Walker redirect, could you kindly follow up on my ANI and RfPP requests? The editor is continuing, despite being asked to stop, repeated, by now at least 5 editors or administrators (including yourself) attempting to create sub-stub bibliographic entries for existing redirects.
I'm still assuming good faith, but this is trying my high level of patience.
I'm recommending, at minimum, the editor's autoconfirmed user right be revoked, and I'd like them to revert a couple edits of aspersion casting on their talk page. One of those edits should be revision deleted, too. And, I do think the redirects could benefit from a week of either WP:ECP (if user right not revoked) or WP:AUTOCONFIRMED (if user right revoked).
Cheers,
--Doug Mehus T·C 23:52, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
- I've provided a followup in the form of an advise. Hopefully, they heed it. If not, we'll go from there. El_C 23:56, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
- El C,
Thank you. Inclined not to remove the autoconfirmed user right for some reason? I thought it was a prudent approach, as then pending changes protection could be applied to the redirects. Can you also revert the editor's casting aspersions, in good faith of course, on their talk page, and revision delete the first one? It's just not needed. Doug Mehus T·C 00:06, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Dmehus, you don't need to keep pinging me on my own talk page — I get a bright orange alert for new edits here anyway, so a ping notice is unnecessary. No, I don't see the need to modify their user rights. I'm assuming they're heeding my advise until proven otherwise. If you have a revdelete request, please cite the relevant diff with an explanation of why it is a suitable candidate for that action. El_C 00:14, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, duh, thank you for clueing me into that. Yes, I get the orange notifications as well when someone posts on my talk page.
Sorry! about that.
Self-trout needed? Doug Mehus T·C 00:17, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Dmehus, all good. No worries.
El_C 00:18, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Regarding the revisions, I posted them in the ANI thread but maybe it was TL;DR, so here's the first one in which the editor, in good-faith of course, incorrectly attributed the COI notice to me by suggesting I was Marchjuly. The other one doesn't require revision deleting, but the editor basically just parrots back to me my own notices. Do I have your permission to remove or refactor both edits, to remove my name from the first one and to remove the second one? Doug Mehus T·C 00:25, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Those are not suitable candidates for revdeletion, or even removal. The user is permitted to err, but that is their talk page, where they have a wide latitude in which to do so. Unless they are modifying your comments directly, I'd just leave it alone. While it looks silly, it also seems harmless enough. El_C 00:31, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks. I guess I'll leave it for now. Any administrator looking at the diffs would see how silly it looks on the part of the editor, and not be confused. I guess what I'm getting at is, an administrator would look at the diff seeing that response, and not take what is written there are face value? Doug Mehus T·C 00:56, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Nah, I think you're good on that front. I wouldn't worry about it. El_C 03:14, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks. I guess I'll leave it for now. Any administrator looking at the diffs would see how silly it looks on the part of the editor, and not be confused. I guess what I'm getting at is, an administrator would look at the diff seeing that response, and not take what is written there are face value? Doug Mehus T·C 00:56, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Those are not suitable candidates for revdeletion, or even removal. The user is permitted to err, but that is their talk page, where they have a wide latitude in which to do so. Unless they are modifying your comments directly, I'd just leave it alone. While it looks silly, it also seems harmless enough. El_C 00:31, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Regarding the revisions, I posted them in the ANI thread but maybe it was TL;DR, so here's the first one in which the editor, in good-faith of course, incorrectly attributed the COI notice to me by suggesting I was Marchjuly. The other one doesn't require revision deleting, but the editor basically just parrots back to me my own notices. Do I have your permission to remove or refactor both edits, to remove my name from the first one and to remove the second one? Doug Mehus T·C 00:25, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- Dmehus, all good. No worries.
- Oh, duh, thank you for clueing me into that. Yes, I get the orange notifications as well when someone posts on my talk page.
- Dmehus, you don't need to keep pinging me on my own talk page — I get a bright orange alert for new edits here anyway, so a ping notice is unnecessary. No, I don't see the need to modify their user rights. I'm assuming they're heeding my advise until proven otherwise. If you have a revdelete request, please cite the relevant diff with an explanation of why it is a suitable candidate for that action. El_C 00:14, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- El C,
Charlottesville car attack page
Hello, I saw you previously protected Charlottesville car attack. It's unprotected now, not sure if protection is still appropriate, but I thought I'd bring it up for your consideration. Hope all is well. // Timothy :: talk 18:40, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- @TimothyBlue: thanks for the notice, and yes, all is well, thank you for asking. Please feel free to update me if disruption resumes on the article. Regards, El_C 18:43, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
- @TimothyBlue:On closer examination, I decided to configure pending changes to the article for six months. Please let me know if that proves inadequate. El_C 18:46, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
You might want a look at this diff
Yeah, it's what you figured, so you should probably revoke TPA. Also, you just made the articleblock indef - they're not fully blocked right now. Pinging Johnuniq and Acroterion in case they're also available. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 05:18, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Oops. Fixed. The block is now site wide. El_C 05:19, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- I've also revoked talk page access. El_C 05:26, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Block for edit warring
Hello. I just saw your message in my talkpage. I won't be appealing my block since I accept I might have got carried away by the disruptive battleground behaviour by the user in that article and I thank you for your lesson. I would just request you to keep an eye in the article Bakarkhani since I think there will be some sock/meat puppets who will make the same disruptive edits as proxies. If you take a look at the article talkpage, the user has just nothing to say regarding the content other than a blanket accusation of POV, he has no sources to back his claims and removing credible sources like Banglapedia from the article. Further, he just stopped discussing to reach any consensus and rather gave a full-out effort in having me blocked as a retaliation, proves where his priority lies. Cheers. Za-ari-masen (talk) 07:04, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the explanation, Za-ari-masen. Sure, I will keep an eye (added to my watchlist). Regards, El_C 07:07, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you as well. Za-ari-masen (talk) 07:13, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Za-ari-masen: If you are accusing me of any kind of sock-puppetry on an admin's Talk page, I'll have none of it. Your edits don't have any sort of consensus what soever. You have been accusing a myriad different users/IPs of puppetry who happen to notice your contentious disruptive editing. And battleground mentality really? You have been blocked as well for this. You exhibit the same behavior that you are projecting on others here. And what do you mean by "priority lies", a 3RR vio is just that you shouldn't have made your last revert if you didn't want to get blocked. And do you really think you look good coming out of this by accusing others and not reflecting on your own edits? Gotitbro (talk) 07:46, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Indeed, those accusations are not conducive to resolving the dispute. Hopefully, after a week break for both of you, you will be able to interact with one another in a more collegial manner. My advise is to use the article talk page often. If you reach an impasse there, I would suggest making use of dispute resolution requests to bring more outside input to the dispute. El_C 07:57, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- I missed one more point. As I have stated before, this user has also been WP:HOUNDING me for a while now and appearing in almost every article/talkpage I edit. As are some IPs. Za-ari-masen (talk) 07:52, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- If that is so, you need to provide detailed documentation (in the form of diffs) to substantiate that claim. El_C 07:57, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- @El C:, take a look at this edit, he appears in the talkpage of a user he had never interacted before and posts in the same thread I started. Then take a look at this edit on Bengali Americans. Again, an article he has never edited before but suddenly appears there only to revert my edit. There are several other instances. Even in this talkpage, I haven't even mentioned his username yet he makes his sudden appearance out of nowhere. Za-ari-masen (talk) 08:28, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, but one or two encounters probably fall short of being indicative of hounding. As for this talk page, in fairness, I had left Gotitbro a message on their user talk page earlier today. El_C 08:32, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- El C, can't argue on that. But I would also urge you to watch out for some "mysterious" IPs who could seek help from their "savior" by canvassing on his talkpage just like one did here, just to get away with the hounding accusation. And about the AfD bit, the consensus was to convert it into a disamb. page, not reinstate the article and again, he was not involved in the afd, hence it's quite strange how he appears in that article to revert my edit. Za-ari-masen (talk) 08:51, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Za-ari-masen, noted. Regardless, maybe it's best that you two give one another some space for the foreseeable future. El_C 08:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- You are again throwing socking shades on me which is unacceptable. I take offence to your personal attacks categorizing me as some sort of a "saviour" for IPs you have a beef, one of whom happened to notify me. As for canvassing what is this then, this and this (the last two being selective notifying to a particular Project). Do you turn blind to your own edits or something. Next time you casually throw around socking allegations here and about I will file a report. Just because I was not involved in a past AfD and happened to notice your disruption against the AfD survival does not make me a lamb to your nonchalant allegations. I am going to steer clear of you and your edits as advised but I have every right to defend myself if you go making absurd and personal claims against me. Gotitbro (talk) 10:12, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- El C, can't argue on that. But I would also urge you to watch out for some "mysterious" IPs who could seek help from their "savior" by canvassing on his talkpage just like one did here, just to get away with the hounding accusation. And about the AfD bit, the consensus was to convert it into a disamb. page, not reinstate the article and again, he was not involved in the afd, hence it's quite strange how he appears in that article to revert my edit. Za-ari-masen (talk) 08:51, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, but one or two encounters probably fall short of being indicative of hounding. As for this talk page, in fairness, I had left Gotitbro a message on their user talk page earlier today. El_C 08:32, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- @El C:, take a look at this edit, he appears in the talkpage of a user he had never interacted before and posts in the same thread I started. Then take a look at this edit on Bengali Americans. Again, an article he has never edited before but suddenly appears there only to revert my edit. There are several other instances. Even in this talkpage, I haven't even mentioned his username yet he makes his sudden appearance out of nowhere. Za-ari-masen (talk) 08:28, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- If that is so, you need to provide detailed documentation (in the form of diffs) to substantiate that claim. El_C 07:57, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- I was notified of your problematic edits by an IP probably because I had edited a few pages you had disrupted. Both of your edits are extremely problematic the Bengali Americans article had already survived a del nom, yet you unilaterally redirected it to Bangladeshi Americans which again falls into your disruptive conflation of Bengal with Bangladesh. In the Talk page you removed a DS notice (you hadn't been notified of sanctions before) which again creates problems for users who might look to DS notify you again but won't know that it had already been done. If those are your examples of hounding for someone who just happens to notice your problematic edits then you better stop reporting others and reflect on your own edits. Gotitbro (talk) 08:43, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Removing the DS alert is acceptable. But turning the article into a redirect after it had already survived an AfD was probably the wrong call. El_C 08:46, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- You have accused me on different Talk pages (such as here) and assume I do not have a right to defend myself? What nonsense. Just because someone happens to notice your highly problematic edits does not mean they are hounding you. Should your incessant accusations at different forums against me amount to hounding as well? A user has every right to defend themselves. Gotitbro (talk) 08:03, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Request for deletion of copyrighted text
See Talk:MARCOS#Request for deletion of copyrighted text from 'History' section.— Vaibhavafro 💬 07:05, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Can you provide a diff for the first time the copyvio was added? El_C 07:07, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- It was added a long, long time ago. Maybe a decade ago. It will be difficult to find the exact edit.— Vaibhavafro 💬 07:09, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, then I'm not sure it'll be feasible to revdel. But please remove any copyvio you encounter on sight. Thanks. El_C 07:12, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Sure. I have been doing that. In a few months from now, I will start revamping the article completely using new sources.— Vaibhavafro 💬 07:15, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Sounds good, Vaibhavafro. Thanks for dropping by. El_C 07:17, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Hey. Take a look at how another administrator deleted text after I requested her. Can you do it in that way?— Vaibhavafro 💬 07:24, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- I could. But, again, I'd need a starting point. Also, if it involves, say, hundreds of revisions, it might not be worth going through with it, in the first place. El_C 07:27, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Ok. That sounds logical. Should I redact my request from Diannaa's talk page.?— Vaibhavafro 💬 07:31, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Vaibhavafro: no, Diannaa is far more capable than I am (or anyone I know of) in identifying and removing copyvio. El_C 07:36, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
I agree. Have a nice day.— Vaibhavafro 💬 07:37, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, Vaibhavafro — same to you. El_C 07:45, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Pro wrestling titles
Hello. Maybe you can help me. As you saw, an IP is vandalicing several pro wrestling articles. For months, the IP edited WWE Women Tag Team Championship, Intercontinental, Shine... you protected the last articles, but List of Impact World Champions, List of Impact World Tag Team Champions The Crash Women's Championship AAA Reina de Reinas Championship are nalso the focus of his editions. Since it's an IP, we can block it, just changes the IP. The only option it's to protect every title the IP edits. Do you have a better solution? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:19, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected for a period of one week, all, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. Sorry, I do not have a better solution. If disruption continues after the week-long protection, let me know so that I could set considerably longer protection duration. El_C 11:27, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- .Great, thanks. I will patrol several articles, just in case. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 12:51, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
Re: Blocking of sockpuppet account AbstractAuditon
Good day!
I'd like to thank you for acting quickly on the actions of the said sockpuppet. The said sockpuppet account lashed out on me on my talk page and in doing so admitted that he had engaged in sockpuppetry. The user clearly waited for the results of Kantar Media ratings before pouncing and creating another account. Kantar Media is due to release another National TV Ratings results tomorrow so it is expected that the user is bound to create another account to circumvent the block placed on him/her. He/she could possibly even resort to editing the pages he used to edit anonymously. So what cluld we do to permanently stop him from circumventing his/her block? Warmest regards Gardo Versace (talk) 12:46, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Good day to you, too, Gardo Versace. You're are very welcome. Now, if socking continues, let me know so I can semiprotect the page/s in question. Best, El_C 12:49, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- @El C: I surely will! A great big thanks to you, its good to know that I can count you to protect the pages which the user and its socks edits. Warmest regards Gardo Versace (talk) 12:55, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- Not at all, Gardo Versace. Happy to help. Best, El_C 12:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
EC vs AC protection
Hi El C,
I was wondering if there was a specific reason you opted for semiprotect on Sunny Khan Durrani, rather than EC - both the editors re-introducing the problematic content are semi-protect. I know there has been some prior content with regard to "Where semi-protection has proven to be ineffective", but I thought that had been agreed as including cases where semi-protect would be insufficient for all actors.
In any case, thanks for your quick response speed to the request. Nosebagbear (talk) 15:26, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
- As mentioned on the request, those are non-confirmed users (I checked their user rights), so semi should do the trick. El_C 15:29, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
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Looking for a suggested next step
El C, just about 2 weeks back I asked you about a concern I had with Calton's behavior associated with the Andy Ngo article.[[41]] The problem started when Calton restored new, disputed material (they were the third editor to restore it) rather than take it to the talk page. When I requested they do so they posted a personal attack on my talk page [[42]],[[43]]. Earlier today they again restored new content that had been deleted by two editors. When I again asked that they self revert [[44]] the response was again a personal attack on my talk page [[45]]. Given the page is subject to discretionary sanctions do you have a suggestion for how to address this behavior problem? Thanks. Springee (talk) 14:00, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- My suggestion would be to file a request at Arbitration enforcement where a quorum of uninvolved admins will examine the matter. El_C 17:43, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- OK. Out of ignorance, why would this be an ANE vs ANI? Springee (talk) 18:54, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- Because the dispute coming under discretionary sanctions allows for you to submit your complaint in this superior forum. El_C 19:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- OK. Out of ignorance, why would this be an ANE vs ANI? Springee (talk) 18:54, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
@El C:
Can you look into the diffs at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 February 8? I haven't looked through them all as I'm not sure if there's an easy way to filter the edit history by page section, but the IP editor, who is the same IP editor who has made similar comments at User talk:5patrickgilles5, had made comments before 5patrickgilles5. Such comments have been both removed and refactored. Either 5patrickgilles5 and the IP editor are two editors, in which case, the removal or refactoring comments of one by or another is problematic. Or, 5patrickgilles5 is legitimately editing his own comments made while logged out, but that's problematic in that the editor is editing the same page both while logged out and logged in and, thus, causing confusion?
Thoughts?
Cheers,
--Doug Mehus T·C 16:35, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- Dmehus, it's pointless pinging people on their own talk page, that's the one place you always get notified about. Guy (help!) 16:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, about that. I forgot. I'm not sure why the section header included a ping, though. I guess I forgot to insert a section header? Doug Mehus T·C 16:55, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, I don't know if I'll have time to look at this today — maybe tomorrow. But it does look like Schazjmd has the matter well at hand. El_C 17:43, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- Dmehus, I believe that after you notified 5patrickgilles5 of the sockpuppet policy, they went back to where they had posted as an IP to rectify the matter. I do think they're trying to comply with the spirit of the policy. And as I said on their talkpage, I should have said something as soon as they began answering on the 5patrickgille5 talk page as an IP editor and failed to do so, thanks for noticing it and bringing it to their attention. Schazjmd (talk) 17:53, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- Schazjmd, Thanks for the reply. If that's the case, that's not a problem, but the duplicate signature from, presumably, IP editor should be removed, so as 5patrickgalles5 can acknowledge to whom to attribute the comments.
- El C, no worries. No rush. Doug Mehus T·C 18:26, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- Dmehus, I'm not sure which signature you're referring to, would you mind cleaning it up if 5p5 did it incorrectly? Thanks! Schazjmd (talk) 18:31, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- Schazjmd, The one at WP:RfPP. The one in the RfD is fine because it's clear he attributed the earlier comment auto-signed by SineBot to himself. I will check and see if he modified WP:RfPP to remove the IPv6 signature, or, better yet, added originally signed as before the IPv6 signature? What do you think? Doug Mehus T·C 18:36, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- Schazjmd, Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 February 8 As a non-involved editor in that discussion, can you add something to the effect of {{s|originally signed as}} in between the 5patrickgilles5 and the IPv6 signatures? Doug Mehus T·C 18:45, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- Schazjmd, Similarly, at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 February 8#America is still the place, if you could add {{s|originally signed as}} before the IPv6's "delete" !vote, and advise 5patrickgilles5 to add his signature before that as well, it would be helpful. I'm sure he'll see why it's confusing to be using his registered account, an IPv4 IP address, and an IPv6 address to edit or comment on the same page. Doug Mehus T·C 18:51, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- Dmehus, I'm not sure which signature you're referring to, would you mind cleaning it up if 5p5 did it incorrectly? Thanks! Schazjmd (talk) 18:31, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
- Dmehus, I believe that after you notified 5patrickgilles5 of the sockpuppet policy, they went back to where they had posted as an IP to rectify the matter. I do think they're trying to comply with the spirit of the policy. And as I said on their talkpage, I should have said something as soon as they began answering on the 5patrickgille5 talk page as an IP editor and failed to do so, thanks for noticing it and bringing it to their attention. Schazjmd (talk) 17:53, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
Focus on the Family - I think your most recent rollback also reverted the page protection you had applied.
But I'm not sure, because I don't understand how the page protection text works.
Thanks for all of your work here at Wikipedia, I sincerely appreciate it!!!! ---Avatar317(talk) 06:33, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- Got it, thanks. Forgot about the tag. Thanks for the kind words — much appreciated. El_C 06:38, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Questions about restrictions
Hi once again. In Juan Guaidó's article, a change to a section's article was made and an image was removed ([46][47]). After other unrelated edits, including in the aforementioned section, restoring the original versions would constitute 1RR or 0RR? Thanks beforehand. --Jamez42 (talk) 13:57, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- It would be a violation of your restriction to restore it without gaining consensus for such a restoration first. El_C 16:51, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- Roger, thanks! --Jamez42 (talk) 15:37, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
In Guaidó's article, the following text was added to the lead: Guaido has nevertheless been unable to unseat Maduro from power in Venezuela, since Maduro is the true, "innocent" president, and Guaido's proposed regime would be corrupt
(change bolded, diff). I wish to revert this change based on WP:NPOV, but I don't want it to be a violation of my restriction. --Jamez42 (talk) 12:40, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- I just noticed that a similar edit was made in Nicolás Maduro's article by the same user, Ferctus:
(...) although Maduro is the real president.
(diff) I don't think this text has been added before, and I think it should be removed on the same grounds. --Jamez42 (talk) 12:53, 15 February 2020 (UTC)- I took care of it. But those type of edits are exempted, since they're virtually indistinguishable from vandalism. El_C 12:57, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
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[48] [49] You owe me a coke. :-) – Levivich 17:22, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- How about a Cherry Coke Zero. El_C 17:26, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Regarding reliable source
Hello, recently i have fixed some source named dr. Khalid Basalamah that i have inserted before so it contain more proper source link rather than just youtube video, as per Kansas bear guidance, i even asked first in noticeboard page if the source can be used since he giving assessment of the primary sources(Ibn Hisham, Waqidi, Ibn Hibban etc.) from his expertize in history since the source has doctorate title from legal academic institution. but seems HistoryofIran insisted from his biased opinion that the source does not qualify as WP:RS and keep reverting my edits despite my attempt to change the link from youtube to dr Khalid Basalamah official link. can you help us to solve the issue? Ahendra (talk) 23:14, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- Because your clerical "source" isn't reliable, using him as a source is no different than using some Harry Potter book. The same goes for all those other clerical stuff or blogs or whatever it is (http://shiaonlinelibrary.com/?). Anyhow, El Cid; right after his block expires he resumes his crusade of adding non-RS nonsense "sources" [50]. He clearly refuses to understand what is RS and what isn't. Indeed, as Kansas Bear said not so long ago, this user is here to write articles to his POV [51]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 23:43, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Ahendra: I don't think it matters whether it is featured on YouTube or on that individual's official website. The two editors commenting on the RSN thread disagree that this source meets the threshold of reliability. They are both editors in good standing and I am inclined to accept their assessment, for now. Please stop adding that individual as a source for anything until you are able to get consensus that they are, indeed, a reliable source. Until this is accomplished, you are prohibited from adding content that is attributed to this source. Full stop. El_C 23:56, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
- Sure, ill held now about that source as per current consensus Ahendra (talk) 00:11, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Jim Jordan
Hello, I am in the middle and just add facts with citations (not nonsense like so many nitwits). Thank you for locking the Jim Jordan page it was getting so annoying undoing the phony edits that I avoided wikipedia for a while. Be well & prosper! B — Preceding unsigned comment added by ExCITEable (talk • contribs) 01:17, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Glad you're finding the protection helpful. Happy editing! El_C 01:22, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Fona2000
Hi, sorry to say that Fona2000 has continued to edit war at Take That following your warning: [52]. Any advice on how to proceed? U-Mos (talk) 03:36, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- You're edit warring just the same, so what would you have me do? Right now, I'm inclined to block both of you from the article for a while. El_C 03:40, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- I'm asking for advice rather than reverting again - as I have done previously when opening discussions and reporting - but the other user has not engaged at any stage. If you're suggesting I could have acted better to resolve the matter, I'm all ears. U-Mos (talk) 06:02, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- Neither of you have engaged the article talk page in weeks. You both have been reverting one another. That isn't conducive to resolving the dispute. El_C 06:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- Understood - so you think it's worth posting on the talk page again? And then what if responses still aren't forthcoming? U-Mos (talk) 06:15, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- @U-Mos: I can't even figure out which version is the status quo ante — both of your edit histories go too far back. I've partially blocked Fona2000 from the article for 2 weeks, for lack of communication. Clearly, you've put more of an effort at communicating than they have, so that is to your credit. Maybe you have a better idea of what the pre-edit war version is? Because that is the version that should be displayed while the dispute remains unresolved. El_C 06:21, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for your time. Fona2000 edited the stable version and was reverted by other users, initially as an IP, e.g. edit & revert. I changed the information - initially not aware of the recent edit history - for the first time on December 17, then observed the implicit consensus of the earlier edits and aimed to preserve that subsequently. U-Mos (talk) 06:37, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the background. I've reverted back to the status quo ante. Fona2000 is welcome to engage the article talk page (from which they are not blocked) to try to get consensus for their newer version. Hopefully, you both are able to reach an amicable understanding. El_C 06:47, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- OK, thanks for your time. Fona2000 edited the stable version and was reverted by other users, initially as an IP, e.g. edit & revert. I changed the information - initially not aware of the recent edit history - for the first time on December 17, then observed the implicit consensus of the earlier edits and aimed to preserve that subsequently. U-Mos (talk) 06:37, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- @U-Mos: I can't even figure out which version is the status quo ante — both of your edit histories go too far back. I've partially blocked Fona2000 from the article for 2 weeks, for lack of communication. Clearly, you've put more of an effort at communicating than they have, so that is to your credit. Maybe you have a better idea of what the pre-edit war version is? Because that is the version that should be displayed while the dispute remains unresolved. El_C 06:21, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- Understood - so you think it's worth posting on the talk page again? And then what if responses still aren't forthcoming? U-Mos (talk) 06:15, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- Neither of you have engaged the article talk page in weeks. You both have been reverting one another. That isn't conducive to resolving the dispute. El_C 06:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- I'm asking for advice rather than reverting again - as I have done previously when opening discussions and reporting - but the other user has not engaged at any stage. If you're suggesting I could have acted better to resolve the matter, I'm all ears. U-Mos (talk) 06:02, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Siddha medicine
Warring underway on a page that you have previously protected (still appears to be in place, as my request today for protection went to your previous protection). The two 'camps' are 1) those supporting sourced content to Indian authorities vs. 2) those supporting the pseudoscience and quackery of Siddha medicine. Would appreciate your review and resolution. Thanks. --Zefr (talk) 15:28, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- From a cursory glance, it looks like the dispute arose from changes you've introduced in late November. I don't know enough about the matter of the Indian Medical Association's view versus that of the Ministry of Ayurveda, Yoga and Naturopathy, Unani, Siddha and Homoeopathy, even though it is clear that per MEDRS, the former carries more weight on the English Wikipedia. At any rate, I fully-protected the page for a long while, while this gets sorted. Perhaps this is something a quorum of admins ought to deliberate on at Arbitration enforcement, though it is surely to constitute a highly unusual request (I tend to think this isn't something the Committee will want to comment on directly). Myself, I simply don't know enough about the subject, which places me at a bit of a disadvantage in virtually all respects save my detachment. I'm open to suggestions on how to proceed, in any case. El_C 16:27, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- The dispute on talk page is valid and it is that a volunteer organization is certainly not a credible source since it is not producing scholarly work neither it has any authority. I do think that the problem into this article had been introduced by Zefr's edits and appears to have been violating WP:SYNTH, typically similar to his some of the earliest edits on this article that were violating WP:NPOV and misrepresented sources. [53] Would you mind restoring the version to 28th November until consensus is reached? I would also note the increasing calls on talk page by enough users to remove the problematic content from main article.[55] ML 911 17:19, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I don't feel confident enough at this time to edit the protected page — due to the Pseudoscience discretionary sanctions the topic falls under, not even to the status quo ante version, though that is an option that remains open-ended. As for the IMA, it is a reputable body established almost a century ago, which counts among its membership over 300,000 Indian doctors, so labeling it as "not a credible source" seems rather questionable. El_C 17:29, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- Where as Siddha medicine is in use for thousands of years, so it would require consensus throughout mainstream academia that it is indeed a pseudoscience. We don't have single academic source to highlight that. The subject must prefer WP:HISTRS at the same time given its antiquity which a volunteer organization fails to fulfill. This topic does not fall under pseudoscience but WP:ARBCAM the Arbcom sanction created for Alternative medicines as Arbcom agreed that not all alternative medicines are pseudoscience. I also don't think that protection was warranted since nearly all of the edit warring editors (about 4) were blocked before protection. ML 911 17:45, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- You should have been blocked also. ——SN54129 17:54, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- Let's not, SN54129. May I suggest the content portion of this discussion be moved to the article's talk page? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:00, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Ivanvector: Indeed, considering I have already criticised your blocks on that very talk page, this conversation would fit nicely. ——SN54129 18:05, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, but you didn't ping me. I'll go take a look. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:09, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Ivanvector: Indeed, considering I have already criticised your blocks on that very talk page, this conversation would fit nicely. ——SN54129 18:05, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- Let's not, SN54129. May I suggest the content portion of this discussion be moved to the article's talk page? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:00, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- You should have been blocked also. ——SN54129 17:54, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- Where as Siddha medicine is in use for thousands of years, so it would require consensus throughout mainstream academia that it is indeed a pseudoscience. We don't have single academic source to highlight that. The subject must prefer WP:HISTRS at the same time given its antiquity which a volunteer organization fails to fulfill. This topic does not fall under pseudoscience but WP:ARBCAM the Arbcom sanction created for Alternative medicines as Arbcom agreed that not all alternative medicines are pseudoscience. I also don't think that protection was warranted since nearly all of the edit warring editors (about 4) were blocked before protection. ML 911 17:45, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I don't feel confident enough at this time to edit the protected page — due to the Pseudoscience discretionary sanctions the topic falls under, not even to the status quo ante version, though that is an option that remains open-ended. As for the IMA, it is a reputable body established almost a century ago, which counts among its membership over 300,000 Indian doctors, so labeling it as "not a credible source" seems rather questionable. El_C 17:29, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- The dispute on talk page is valid and it is that a volunteer organization is certainly not a credible source since it is not producing scholarly work neither it has any authority. I do think that the problem into this article had been introduced by Zefr's edits and appears to have been violating WP:SYNTH, typically similar to his some of the earliest edits on this article that were violating WP:NPOV and misrepresented sources. [53] Would you mind restoring the version to 28th November until consensus is reached? I would also note the increasing calls on talk page by enough users to remove the problematic content from main article.[55] ML 911 17:19, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Per Ivanvector's suggestion, I have refactored this conversation to the article talk page and have replied there. El_C 18:14, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
110.224.194.226
Just a note that the IP address is xwiki spamming [56] and appears to be static, though generally also operating in special:contributions/110.224.192.0/18. I am generating the following xwiki reports
- m:User:COIBot/XWiki/wedchief.com
- m:User:COIBot/XWiki/ghumteganesh.com
- m:User:COIBot/XWiki/ekdantaganesh.blogspot.com
though that /18 looks to have a nice collection of other domains which I may try to run xwiki reports for at a later time. — billinghurst sDrewth 22:27, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks for the note. El_C 22:32, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Michael Bloomberg
Hi, El C! I recently had to semi-protect the Michael Bloomberg article and I was surprised to see that it wasn't under 1RR restrictions. Most of the other current candidates are. Could you please take a look and see what you think? (I don't do that kind of tagging - haven't made myself familiar enough with that area to feel comfortable.) Thanks. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:40, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Republic of Ilirida
Hi. After a semi protection put by you on the Republic of Ilirida expired, the article has been disrupted by some IPs (apparently being operated by the same person). I tried to explain the issue to one of the IPs on my talk page but after that another rv by them happened. If the disruption persists, can you put a new semi protection? Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Semi-protected for a period of 6 months, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. El_C 21:49, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 21:52, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Problem with disappearing edits (I think we conflicted somehow)
It's the second time that I see edits disappear in this discussion when you post: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:_ජපස_reported_by_User:gtoffoletto_(Result:_no_violation)
User:ජපස's message is clearly missing.
I also noticed earlier that another editor had written something (it seemed to support my thesis but that could be wishful thinking) and when you wrote it disappeared. Could some kind of conflict be happening?
Thanks! --Gtoffoletto (talk) 22:16, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
Confirmed: it's gone from edit history too. No idea who the other user was earlier...damn...--Gtoffoletto (talk) 22:17, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Gtoffoletto: you must be conflating it with another page, because edits don't just disappear from the edit history, there's always a record, even in the rare cases when material is suppressed. El_C 22:22, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Did you delete the message you replied to? It's gone. Or am I crazy? --Gtoffoletto (talk) 22:26, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- The entry of edits cannot be deleted from the history — no one can delete them, save perhaps the developers. El_C 22:30, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- You replied to no one? This happened 5 min ago. I remember the reply exactly. We both replied but the comment is not there anymore. Worrysome? Have a look: [57] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gtoffoletto (talk • contribs) 22:38, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- I don't understand what you're trying to say. El_C 22:43, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
I'll recap. There is a worrisome BUG I am trying to point out to you:
- User:ජපස posted something on the page to the effect of "El C please don't go out of your way to follow Gtoffoletto around!" (posting it so that an eventual bug report can be filed if necessary)
- You replied (see the RE tag?): https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FEdit_warring&type=revision&diff=940983725&oldid=940983079
- I replied: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring&diff=940984885&oldid=940984347
- Where is User:ජපස's edit?
Not in the page... Not in the edit history. IT'S GONE. --Gtoffoletto (talk) 22:55, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- No, that was me. El_C 23:03, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- jeez. Sorry for the waste of time! I am at home with 40C of fever so not in the most lucid of conditions and this report ordeal is really not my thing. Will sleep it off and post a new report tomorrow as you suggested. Got too much time on my hands unfortunately as every other edit gets reverted...one can't even be sick in peace... Thanks for the help and for the guidance! --Gtoffoletto (talk) 23:13, 15 February 2020 (UTC)