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:::Perhaps the best way forward would be something like the [[2012 Canadian Grand Prix]] page, which also features a section on protests (for entirely different reasons). That article makes it clear that protests existed, but they did not disrupt the Grand Prix itself. The same seems to be happening here; there are protests, but since they haven't directed affected the race or anyone participating in it, they should not be covered as the first item in the article. [[User:Prisonermonkeys|Prisonermonkeys]] ([[User talk:Prisonermonkeys|talk]]) 10:27, 20 April 2013 (UTC) |
:::Perhaps the best way forward would be something like the [[2012 Canadian Grand Prix]] page, which also features a section on protests (for entirely different reasons). That article makes it clear that protests existed, but they did not disrupt the Grand Prix itself. The same seems to be happening here; there are protests, but since they haven't directed affected the race or anyone participating in it, they should not be covered as the first item in the article. [[User:Prisonermonkeys|Prisonermonkeys]] ([[User talk:Prisonermonkeys|talk]]) 10:27, 20 April 2013 (UTC) |
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::::I agree that this is a matter of weight. The level of coverage of protests I mentioned was after seeing google news results for "Bahrain" and "Bahrain F1". You know not only motorsport media covers the F1, at least not the one in Bahrain. I don't know much about F1, and hence and not getting involved in editing, but my point was since you had suggestions about how this could be improved, why don't you implement them instead of complete removal of the section? (i.e. you could make it less pro-protesters and move it down to a suitable section). Last year you've done some great work and I trust you won't disappoint me now. Cheers and sorry for any muddling caused; I saw the IP comment and though I should give my two cents. <b>[[User:Mohamed CJ|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script;color:#ff0000">Mohamed CJ</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Mohamed CJ|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:#07517C">(talk)</span>]] 11:03, 20 April 2013 (UTC) |
::::I agree that this is a matter of weight. The level of coverage of protests I mentioned was after seeing google news results for "Bahrain" and "Bahrain F1". You know not only motorsport media covers the F1, at least not the one in Bahrain. I don't know much about F1, and hence and not getting involved in editing, but my point was since you had suggestions about how this could be improved, why don't you implement them instead of complete removal of the section? (i.e. you could make it less pro-protesters and move it down to a suitable section). Last year you've done some great work and I trust you won't disappoint me now. Cheers and sorry for any muddling caused; I saw the IP comment and though I should give my two cents. <b>[[User:Mohamed CJ|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script;color:#ff0000">Mohamed CJ</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Mohamed CJ|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:#07517C">(talk)</span>]] 11:03, 20 April 2013 (UTC) |
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:::::And just in case you were lacking sources about anti-F1 protests, you could ask me to provide them (I archive all news about protests - so far over 120 different news stories dealing with anti-F1 protests) or search for them in Google news. <b>[[User:Mohamed CJ|<span style="font-family:Segoe Script;color:#ff0000">Mohamed CJ</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Mohamed CJ|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:#07517C">(talk)</span>]] 11:09, 20 April 2013 (UTC) |
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Excised by Prisonermonkeys
The race occurred to the backdrop of long-term pro-democracy protests with demonstrators attempting to overthrow the U.S.-backed regime. This was the third consecutive year that Arab Spring protests affected the running of the race; the 2011 event was cancelled and the 2012 event went ahead against despite efforts by demonstrators to disrupte the race. On 15 April, Formula One chief Bernie Ecclestone dismissed concerns over the running of the race.[1] On 16 April, demonstrators erected makeshift roadblocks and barricades of burning tyres and graffiti was seen reading: "No F1. Don't race on our blood."[2]
The above was excised on 19 April 2013 by Prisonermonkeys. I dispute the excision, as I believe it skews the coverage of the article, making it from a general coverage about the event, to being specialist coverage of only the sports side of things. This is a general encyclopedia, so should include coverage of the controversies surrounding events, from outside the field of the event. As the protests have been covered widely on general news about the event, it behooves us to cover the events evenly, and not such as the only thing that happens were that cars raced on the track. -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 15:49, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
- Its inclusion - particularly when placed before the events of the race - implies that the protests are as serious as they were in 2011 and 2012, which is not the case. Furthermore, the wording clearly takes the side of the protesters. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 23:58, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
- Then maybe you can fix it, Prisonermonkeys instead of removing it? As I can see the protests are still getting more coverage than the race despite that coverage being less than last year. Mohamed CJ (talk) 08:59, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
- I don't have any sources to support it right now. Neverthless, I feel that the wording I have removed violates WP:NPOV (which is why I removed it in the first place). It's clearly taking sides with the protesters, and is unacceptable.
- The issue here is really how much weight is given to the protests. Including them as the first item in the article is wrong, because it puts undue weight on them. If they were on the same scale as 2011 or 2012, then I could see that happening - but there has been little to no coverage of this year's protests in motorsport media, so I'm having trouble gauging how much focus should be placed on it.
- Perhaps the best way forward would be something like the 2012 Canadian Grand Prix page, which also features a section on protests (for entirely different reasons). That article makes it clear that protests existed, but they did not disrupt the Grand Prix itself. The same seems to be happening here; there are protests, but since they haven't directed affected the race or anyone participating in it, they should not be covered as the first item in the article. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 10:27, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
- I agree that this is a matter of weight. The level of coverage of protests I mentioned was after seeing google news results for "Bahrain" and "Bahrain F1". You know not only motorsport media covers the F1, at least not the one in Bahrain. I don't know much about F1, and hence and not getting involved in editing, but my point was since you had suggestions about how this could be improved, why don't you implement them instead of complete removal of the section? (i.e. you could make it less pro-protesters and move it down to a suitable section). Last year you've done some great work and I trust you won't disappoint me now. Cheers and sorry for any muddling caused; I saw the IP comment and though I should give my two cents. Mohamed CJ (talk) 11:03, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
- And just in case you were lacking sources about anti-F1 protests, you could ask me to provide them (I archive all news about protests - so far over 120 different news stories dealing with anti-F1 protests) or search for them in Google news. Mohamed CJ (talk) 11:09, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
- I agree that this is a matter of weight. The level of coverage of protests I mentioned was after seeing google news results for "Bahrain" and "Bahrain F1". You know not only motorsport media covers the F1, at least not the one in Bahrain. I don't know much about F1, and hence and not getting involved in editing, but my point was since you had suggestions about how this could be improved, why don't you implement them instead of complete removal of the section? (i.e. you could make it less pro-protesters and move it down to a suitable section). Last year you've done some great work and I trust you won't disappoint me now. Cheers and sorry for any muddling caused; I saw the IP comment and though I should give my two cents. Mohamed CJ (talk) 11:03, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
- Perhaps the best way forward would be something like the 2012 Canadian Grand Prix page, which also features a section on protests (for entirely different reasons). That article makes it clear that protests existed, but they did not disrupt the Grand Prix itself. The same seems to be happening here; there are protests, but since they haven't directed affected the race or anyone participating in it, they should not be covered as the first item in the article. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 10:27, 20 April 2013 (UTC)