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# For characters from the games, the character must have made a substantial (e.g. non cameo) appearance in ''at least'' '''two''' ''Sonic'' games. Because ''Sonic'' has such a large cast of characters, this list is primarily dedicated to major ones. One-off or minor characters are considered out of this list's scope and should be covered within their respective game's article rather than here. |
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#:An example of a character who '''meets''' this criteria is Ray the Flying Squirrel, who makes substantial appearances in ''[[SegaSonic the Hedgehog]]'' and ''[[Sonic Mania Plus]]''. This is the minimum required for a character to be considered noteworthy for this list. |
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#:An example of a character who does '''not''' meet this criteria is Princess Elise, whose only substantial appearance is in [[Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 video game)|''Sonic the Hedgehog'' (2006)]]. Unless she makes another non-cameo appearance in the future, she fails the inclusion criteria. |
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# For characters from other media (TV shows, movies, and comics), the character must have made a substantial appearance in ''at least'' '''two''' different forms of media. Because ''Sonic'' is primarily a video game franchise and there are too many ''Sonic'' characters exclusive to non-video game media to be listed here, a separate criteria exists to determine if a non-game character can be listed. |
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#:An example of a character who '''meets''' this criteria is Princess Sally, who made substantial appearances in the [[Sonic the Hedgehog (TV series)|Saturday morning ''Sonic'' cartoon]] and the [[Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics)|Archie Comics ''Sonic the Hedgehog'' series]]. Therefore, she can be listed, even though she has never made a substantial appearance in a ''Sonic'' game. |
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#:An example of a character who does '''not''' meet this criteria is Geoffrey St. John, who, while a fairly significant character within the Archie Comics ''Sonic'' series, never appeared outside it. Thus, unless he makes an appearance in another form of media in the future, he fails the inclusion criteria. |
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# All entries on this list should be backed with [[WP:SECONDARY|secondary]], [[WP:RS|reliable source]]s. No entries should be sourced entirely to [[WP:PRIMARY|primary source]]s, and any such entries will be removed. |
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| text = The contents of [[Babylon Rogues]], [[Blaze the Cat]], [[Cream the Rabbit]], [[E-102 Gamma]], [[E-123 Omega]], [[Wisp (Sonic)]], and [[Silver the Hedgehog]] were [[WP:Merging|merged]] into [[List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters]] as a result of [[Talk:List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters/Archive 2|this discussion]]. The former pages now redirect here. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged articles, please see their former page histories, and for discussion, see their talk pages.}} |
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== Should Tom & Maddie Wachowski be added to the "Characters in other media"? == |
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==What page shoudld there be for important characters that DON'T reoccur?== |
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Void, Black Doom, Mephiles, etc [[User:Titan50|Titan50]] ([[User talk:Titan50|talk]]) 15:17, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:They are put in the article about the only game in which they occur: Void goes in [[Sonic Shuffle]], Doom in [[Shadow the Hedgehog (game)]], Mephiles in [[Sonic the Hedgehog (2006 video game)]] [[User:Cigraphix|CIGraphix]] ([[User talk:Cigraphix|talk]]) 15:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC) |
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I was mainly wondering whether it's time to add Tom & Maddie to the "Characters in Other Media" section. As they're very important characters for the movie franchise, with them both being in three films as lead characters by the end of the year and Maddie even having a big role in the Knuckles show too (plus they were both in the "Prequill" comic for Sonic 2). |
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==The article mentions Metal Sonic's debut being in Sonic CD, but I distinctly remember him from Sonic the Hedgehog 2 as the last boss before Dr Robotnik and again in Sonic & Knuckles as the final boss for Knuckle's storyline. [[Special:Contributions/69.136.11.33|69.136.11.33]] ([[User talk:69.136.11.33|talk]]) 18:00, 23 September 2008 (UTC) |
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::That was a different Sonic robot, known as either 'Mecha Sonic' or 'Silver Sonic'. A different Mecha Sonic has been featured in several games, it might not be in this article because each version is so different that it might be considered a different character in each game. [[User:Cigraphix|CIGraphix]] ([[User talk:Cigraphix|talk]]) 18:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC) |
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They haven't been in games no, but neither has Chris Thorndyke and he's on there and Sally only had a small cameo in Spinball. So yeah, I just wanted to see if anyone else thinks we should add them now (maybe even Agent Stone too potentially). [[User:Tribal-Mand0|Tribal-Mand0]] ([[User talk:Tribal-Mand0|talk]]) 22:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Sonic CD actually came out before Sonic tH2, at least in Japan. In America, it came out afterward. That's why there's all this confusion. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.65.34.106|67.65.34.106]] ([[User talk:67.65.34.106|talk]]) 23:21, 1 July 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:See the inclusion criteria at the top of the page. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 23:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC) |
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==Cream not a major character?== |
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::Technically then they should be allowed on right? Cause they've been in the movies, the Knuckles show and the prequel comic too. [[User:Tribal-Mand0|Tribal-Mand0]] ([[User talk:Tribal-Mand0|talk]]) 04:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC) |
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Honestly, I don't see why she isn't. Of course, she hasn't been in the last few games, (The exception is Sonic Chronicles and Secret Rings) but she should still be important enough to have a page. |
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:::How about when it comes to exclusive members of the Guardian Unit of Nations (or G.U.N. for short) should we find some sources to establish a section for it as well as sections for Tikal and Pachacamac (who [[Christopher Lloyd]] is voicing in ''Knuckles'') as both of them are currently redirecting to this article. --[[User:Rtkat3|Rtkat3]] ([[User talk:Rtkat3|talk]]) 22:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:Take it to the others. Go [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games|here]], talk to them about it, not us. We ge no say in it anymore. They do. <sub>[[User talk:SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#7CFC00">Skeletal</font>]]</sub> [[User:SLJCOAAATR 1|'''<font color="#FFFF00">SLJCOAAATR</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#800080">Soulsor</font>]]</sup> 03:18, 18 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::Everyone gets a say in it, so don't make up things SLJ. Also, who is "we"? If you are referring to regular editors: they have a say in it, but it doesn't mean they control the article completely. [[User:RobJ1981|RobJ1981]] ([[User talk:RobJ1981|talk]]) 06:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Calm down Rob. I simply meant that you guys at VG get more of a say as to what happens with articles. <sub>[[User talk:SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#7CFC00">Skeletal</font>]]</sub> [[User:SLJCOAAATR 1|'''<font color="#FFFF00">SLJCOAAATR</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#800080">Soulsor</font>]]</sup> 14:15, 18 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:::This article is for ''recurring'' characters. Cream is a recurring character so she deserves a section here. Simple as that.[[User:Fairfieldfencer|<font color="#FF2400">Fair</font><font color="#FFA500">field</font><font color="#FF2400">fencer</font>]] [[User talk:Fairfieldfencer|<font color="#FF2400">F</font><font color="#FFA500">F</font><font color="#FF2400">F</font>]] 07:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Don't tell me to calm down, I'm perfectly calm. [[User:RobJ1981|RobJ1981]] ([[User talk:RobJ1981|talk]]) 22:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2024 == |
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== Adding A Few More Characters? == |
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Please just let me edit the page thanks. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:7s6uy8iwj|7s6uy8iwj]] ([[User talk:7s6uy8iwj#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/7s6uy8iwj|contribs]]) 19:07, 19 April 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:{{Notdone}} Please submit requested changes on the talk page. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 19:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== I'm perfectly sure Big should have his own article == |
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Thanks to Chronicles, I was wondering, should we add Pachacamac? He does serve a minor role, and the games events role back on his doings. As well as adding Gizoids? Though, only Emerl has made multiple appearances (In the form of G-Mel in Advance 3) --<sub>[[User talk:SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#7CFC00">Skeletal</font>]]</sub> [[User:SLJCOAAATR 1|'''<font color="#FFFF00">SLJCOAAATR</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#800080">Soulsor</font>]]</sup> 03:51, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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[[Sonic the Hedgehog|''Sonic'' series]] may have a huge cast however, despite the oversize cast of the series, only about six of them get their own independent article while characters like Amy Rose can get into argument over she can have her own article. For Big, I have been writing a draft about Big within [[User:NatwonTSG2/Sonic#Big the Cat|a sandbox]] and I think it's ready and loaded to become an independent article on [[Wikipedia]] because I was able to find my three best sources which are 14 or 21, 22 and 24. Also for some still-in-topic discussion, I also to believe other ''Sonic'' characters might get it own independent article instead of being a section the list article so. [[User:NatwonTSG2|NatwonTSG2]] ([[User talk:NatwonTSG2|talk]]) 02:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Gemerl's / G-Mel's / G-Merl's only appearance was in Sonic Advance 3. It is NOT a rebuilt Emerl - it is rather an entirely new robot based on Emerl's design, Eggman's ultimate battle robot that could interface with his machines. It's basically an update of Eggman's Phi robots. [[Special:Contributions/156.12.150.206|156.12.150.206]] ([[User talk:156.12.150.206|talk]]) 16:47, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Bzzt! Incorrect. Advance 3 clearly stated that Eggman rebuilt, and reprogramed the remains of Emerl, so, technically, it's the same character, just a different memory, and personally, just like Shadow. <sub>[[User talk:SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#7CFC00">Skeletal</font>]]</sub> [[User:SLJCOAAATR 1|'''<font color="#FFFF00">SLJCOAAATR</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#800080">Soulsor</font>]]</sup> 21:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:Which new sources that are significant coverage have you found? (It's best to link them rather than mention them by number like that since the numbering may change as it's being edited and altered.) [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 15:05, 26 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== remaining merges == |
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:I only think Big can really get his own article if other more important/prominent characters like Amy (who really needs one), Rouge, the Chaotix, etc. ever get their own first. [[User:Tribal-Mand0|Tribal-Mand0]] ([[User talk:Tribal-Mand0|talk]]) 21:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::Just seen he does has his own page then, the fact that Big has his own page yet Amy doesn't is very bizzare. [[User:Tribal-Mand0|Tribal-Mand0]] ([[User talk:Tribal-Mand0|talk]]) 22:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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I support the existing merges up until now, including Babylon Rouges. It's led to a large good article, rather than a lot of articles that fail our policies and guidelines. There are only a few remaining merge proposals outstanding. The main question we should as is if there is significant coverage of the following characters in reliable third-party sources for any of the following topics: |
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:::They published their draft without waiting for any feedback. I'm not particularly convinced either should have articles in their current state/what people have proposed in the past. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 22:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:Tribal-Mand0|Tribal-Mand0]] It usually doesn't matter if less important characters like for example, [[Bobby (Paper Mario)|Bobby]] from ''[[Paper Mario: The Origami King]]'' gets his own article before more important like Bowser. Jr did which has been redirected due of not showing notability so. [[User:NatwonTSG2|NatwonTSG2]] ([[User talk:NatwonTSG2|talk]]) 22:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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* [[Chaotix]] |
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:::Still though, I think at the very least Amy deserves her own page then, considering she is one of the core main characters of the franchise. [[User:Tribal-Mand0|Tribal-Mand0]] ([[User talk:Tribal-Mand0|talk]]) 23:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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* <s>[[E-Series (Sonic the Hedgehog)]]</s> |
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::::Again, that's not how it works. Read [[WP:NVGC]] and the [[WP:GNG]] for how it works. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 23:58, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::I have seen an [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big the Cat|AFD discussion]] for Big the Cat. How minor is Big the Cat anyway? --[[User:Rtkat3|Rtkat3]] ([[User talk:Rtkat3|talk]]) 18:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC) |
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If the answer to that is no, then a merge might be appropriate, if not deletion. Another article that's on the fence is [[Chao (Sonic the Hedgehog)]], which was previously nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed with no consensus because people weren't sure if it could be improved. But so far, nothing has happened. Can people find appropriate sources for this one? |
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::::::What is that question supposed to mean? [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 22:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::I think it's supposed to mean that @[[User:Rtkat3|Rtkat3]] has seen an AFD discussion for Big and wanted to know how minor he is. For the minor question, in my opinion, Big is not really a minor character in the series since he has made some important appearances in games like Sonic Adventure, Heroes and maybe Frontiers I guess? [[User:NatwonTSG2|NatwonTSG2]] ([[User talk:NatwonTSG2|talk]]) 13:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::Speaking frankly the "minor character" reasoning never sat right with me for that AfD, the bigger problem was the sourcing not really saying a lot about him to substantiate the article (no offense meant by that, I dug a bit too and struggled to find anything that could really carry it). But minor characters in a franchise can work perfectly fine as articles if they're picked up as fan favorites by media outlets or get some solid discussion behind them.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 13:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:I already know for a FACT, that very little can be found for E-Series. I ''fully'' support a merge there. As for Chaotix, I believe a good amount can be found, though, I'm not ''too'' sure if it'll still be good enough. Chao, I believe, could also be merged. The article is absolutley disgusting, and can easily be covered in this one article. <sub>[[User talk:SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#7CFC00">Skeletal</font>]]</sub> [[User:SLJCOAAATR 1|'''<font color="#FFFF00">SLJCOAAATR</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#800080">Soulsor</font>]]</sup> 22:49, 7 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:I've gone ahead and merged the E-Series robots. When removing the speculation, OR, etc. there was little left to warrant an article. [[User:FullMetal Falcon/FMF|'''<font color="#666666">« ₣M₣ »</font>''']] 23:04, 9 November 2008 (UTC) |
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Good call on the e-series. We still have to figure out what to do with [[Chaotix]] and [[Chao (Sonic the Hedgehog)]] though. These articles have been around for a while and nobody has turned up reliable third-party sources. I'm not trying to rush you, but at the same time, you have to conclude that some articles just can't meet our standards right now. What do you think? [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 00:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:I've just added a third-party for the Chaotix.[[User:Fairfieldfencer|<font color="#FF2400">Fair</font><font color="#FFA500">field</font><font color="#FF2400">fencer</font>]] [[User talk:Fairfieldfencer|<font color="#FF2400">F</font><font color="#FFA500">F</font><font color="#FF2400">F</font>]] 09:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:: A comic book is a primary source. A third-party source would be a reliable secondary source, like a journal, textbook, news report, review, preview ... etc. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 19:47, 10 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Oh, I thought that since the article focused on the game versions, a reference from an appearance in another universe would count as third-party.[[User:Fairfieldfencer|<font color="#FF2400">Fair</font><font color="#FFA500">field</font><font color="#FF2400">fencer</font>]] [[User talk:Fairfieldfencer|<font color="#FF2400">F</font><font color="#FFA500">F</font><font color="#FF2400">F</font>]] 20:07, 10 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:::: People sometimes use "third-party" as shorthand for "reliable secondary source that's independent of the subject". A secondary source is something that analyzes a primary source. (e.g.: how a scholar analyzes a movie, or how a journalist analyzes a speech from the President.) And the source has to be reliable (not just a random fan). And it has to be independent (e.g.: not some kind of officially commissioned report or press release or advertisement). Read [[WP:SECONDARY]], and [[WP:SOURCES]] if you need more clarification. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 20:53, 10 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::I think the article of the Chaotix is too large to merge with the list of characters. It would make the article too lengthy. ([[User talk:sacredfire059|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.192.57.114|71.192.57.114]] ([[User talk:71.192.57.114|talk]]) 15:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:[[WP:SS]] comes to mind, will the Chaotix article be too big to merge in the list? As for Chao, perhaps a series merge would be best. [[User:FullMetal Falcon/FMF|'''<font color="#666666">« ₣M₣ »</font>''']] 19:37, 10 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:: Are you saying we should merge Chao to a target other than this page? [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 19:47, 10 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:::No. I believe Chao should be merged here, while info about Chao Gardens, to the series. Chao have been recurring crwatures throughout the series, and have had a large part in some games, and one Chao (Cheese), has appeared in many games, and has had a bit of an impact on things. Chaotix will be difficult. I'm barely having time to even go online anymore if I had more time, I'd help. But, likely, a merge is needed. Out of curiosity, would it b good if we mentioned that Vector was actually a prototype character for Sonic 1, and Carmy was inspiried by a character in the Sonic manga? Outside info that Mighty has can help alot. But, I don't think it's enough to hold the article... <sub>[[User talk:SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#7CFC00">Skeletal</font>]]</sub> [[User:SLJCOAAATR 1|'''<font color="#FFFF00">SLJCOAAATR</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#800080">Soulsor</font>]]</sup> 23:18, 10 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:::: re: Chaotix, out of universe information would be really helpful. It would get you halfway to meriting a stand-alone article, for sure. The other half is if this information came from reliable third-party sources: some kind of review or preview that mentions the Chaotix. Really, you need a development and reception section that comes from reliable third-party sources. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 23:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== Metal Sonic Debut == |
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Technically, if I'm not mistaken, Metal Sonic was also the mini boss you fight at the end of Sonic 2, right before the final robotnik confrontation in the Death Egg. |
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This would make his debut not of Sonic CD, but Sonic 2. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.97.118.51|66.97.118.51]] ([[User talk:66.97.118.51|talk]]) 07:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I think (and I can't believe I know this, shows how much I've been around this contentious article) that version was termed "Mecha Sonic". I'd thought it had its own section, actually, though I can't see it; might be in the history for someone to check. [[User:SynergyBlades|SynergyBlades]] ([[User talk:SynergyBlades|talk]]) 07:38, 24 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::Sonic 2 had Silver. CD had Metal. 3&K had Mecha. <sub>[[User talk:SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#7CFC00">Skeletal</font>]]</sub> [[User:SLJCOAAATR 1|'''<font color="#FFFF00">SLJCOAAATR</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#800080">Soulsor</font>]]</sup> 02:38, 25 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:::In the american and european manual. It is known as Metal Sonic in Japan, atleast i have heard so. [[User:NeoDoubleGames|NeoDoubleGames bla bla bla]] ([[User talk:NeoDoubleGames|talk]]) 16:07, 16 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== E-Series Edit == |
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Zero from the game Sonic Adventure was not named E-100 Alpha. In the begining of Gamma's story, Eggman refers to Gamma as the second model in the E-Series. The first being E-101 Beta. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Chaos2000|Chaos2000]] ([[User talk:Chaos2000|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Chaos2000|contribs]]) 04:15, 8 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Why the removal? == |
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A few months ago, I considered Wikipedia my "go to" place for reading up on information about the characters of the Sonic the Hedgehog games. Now? It's a joke. So much information was just ripped apart, pages for certain characters destroyed (instead they get a paragraph or two on this "recurring characters" page), and for what? What purpose is there to get RID of information? Isn't this supposed to be a website where we, oh I don't know, come to be informed? It wasn't as if any of the facts were wrong, on the contrary, the facts were right on. And for that matter, why have the comic book characters' pages not been torn apart like this? There's just as much information on them as there are the game characters, so why aren't they suffering like the characters in the games have? |
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Wikipedia, for whatever reason, has lost any value it once had with me and everyone I know. It's not just on these articles, but this was just awful. It's one thing to (pointlessly, I might add, but that's another argument) take down images, it's another to take down pages and pages worth of information because someone's deemed it unimportant. |
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Anyway, so this just doesn't seem like "forum post" or whatever the losers in charge think, I think, if possible, the old pages (such as Blaze's and Silver's, to name a few) be brought back to the way they were before they got trashed. ----[[User:Thousandsevens|Thousandsevens]] ([[User talk:Thousandsevens|talk]]) 01:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:Well, if this helps, you can still find info about their roles in each game in that games specific article. (EX: [[Sonic Adventure|Amy's role in SA]]) For a certain character, place, etc. to warrant an article, their must be a sufficent amount of "relevant, outside information". Meaning, what inspired their creation, who specifically came up with them, etc. If you'd like to learn more about the situation, check out the previous archive of this talk, VG project, and several others. <sub>[[User talk:SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#7CFC00">Skeletal</font>]]</sub> [[User:SLJCOAAATR 1|'''<font color="#FFFF00">SLJCOAAATR</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#800080">Soulsor</font>]]</sup> 01:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:The articles lacked both reliable, third-party sources (mostly because there isn't much commentary by reliable sites), and failed to assert their notability, per Wikipedia's guidelines on fictional characters. Because Wikipedia is supposed to an encyclopedia and provide a general overview for a general audience, detailed fan information is not appropriate. That is what Wikia was set up for, because its guidelines are more relaxed in that respect. So why not check out the Sonic Wikia at http://sonic.wikia.com, where you can read about how Blaze began to bond with Cream the rabbit, coming to think of her as her little sister after initially being a little hostile, or the heated debate amongst fans regarding Silver's higher-pitched voice actor which is regarded canon, even though some fans would prefer a deeper voice. [[User:SynergyBlades|SynergyBlades]] ([[User talk:SynergyBlades|talk]]) 01:43, 15 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:What is the definition of "fan information" exactly? Because it wasn't like any of the information was false, it had all been said or shown in the various games. Just because they didn't quote every line and every event in the game doesn't mean they made it up or anything. Summaries of what happened in the game, their role in it (no, that's not really here anymore except for saying they were in it), that kind of thing; it's all gone. Changing the articles did NO ONE any good. --[[User:Thousandsevens|Thousandsevens]] ([[User talk:Thousandsevens|talk]]) 02:10, 16 December 2008 (UTC) |
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::Fan information is the extreme details that only fans are interested in, [[WP:IINFO|Wikipedia is about general overview rather than turning everyone into scholars on each subject]] - such overload would overwhelm the reader. And yes the information wasn't false, but if you read [[WP:V|Wikipedia's rule that everything must be verified]] you would understand that Wikipedia is not about truth, it is about what can be verified with reliable 3rd party sources (reliable 3rd party sources meaning sources that are not 1st party - like Sega is a 1st party source for all things Sonic; sources that are reliable - writings by independent websites with editorial boards - like GameSpot, but not fansites or forums). It is okay to use 1st party sources to a certain extent in a topic (as long as it doesn't start violating [[WP:NOT|What Wikipedia Is Not]]), but only 3rd party sources can assert [[WP:N|notablity]] of that topic. [[User:Cigraphix|CIGraphix]] ([[User talk:Cigraphix|talk]]) 02:47, 16 December 2008 (UTC) |
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: Just to echo what people are saying here, a lot of those articles were unverified, or at best original research based on someone playing the game and then compiling it into a single article. So merging everything here was the best middle ground, between deleting the information outright, and keeping articles that really went into [[WP:NOT|what Wikipedia is not]]. [[User:Randomran|Randomran]] ([[User talk:Randomran|talk]]) 03:20, 29 December 2008 (UTC) |
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==Blaze's own page== |
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Blaze has appeared as a focal character in the Sonic Rush games, and is appearing more and more. Soon, she will be included in [[Sonic and the Black Knight]] as a Knight of the Round Table. I think this will be enough to secure her importance as a Sonic character, moreso than even Amy Rose. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.194.123.128|74.194.123.128]] ([[User talk:74.194.123.128|talk]]) 00:56, 31 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Well then, we'll just have to wait and see won't we?[[User:Kurowoofwoof111| <font color="Blue">'''Kuro ♪'''</font>]] |
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::lol. You expect Blaze, a character we hardly know (Relevant-outside-info-wise) to have a better article than Amy (Who, has a decent amount of relevant-outside-info)? lol <sub>[[User talk:SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#7CFC00">Skeletal</font>]]</sub> [[User:SLJCOAAATR 1|'''<font color="#FFFF00">SLJCOAAATR</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#800080">Soulsor</font>]]</sup> 06:48, 2 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Blaze appeared first 2005 and Amy appeared first 1993 plus Amy have a fairly large role while Blaze have an minor role in the most games except Sonic Rush and its sequel. And Blaze isn't included in Chronicles while Amy is the second character in SC.--[[User:NeoDoubleGames|NeoDoubleGames]] ([[User talk:NeoDoubleGames|talk]]) 13:42, 15 February 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Except you forget that Blaze has had a significant role in ALL games she appeared in, unlike Amy who serves as a foil or damsel in distress. I believe Blaze is hands-down worthy of taking her place alongside Shadow with her own page. --[[Special:Contributions/74.194.33.161|74.194.33.161]] ([[User talk:74.194.33.161|talk]]) 10:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== Tails Doll redirecting here but no info about Tails Dolls on here == |
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How strange. --[[User:Mangoman34|Youtuber Mangoman34:-D]] ([[User talk:Mangoman34|talk]]) 22:19, 25 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:It is because Tails Doll only appeared in [[Sonic R]], so he is not really a recurring or relevant character. [[User:Evilgidgit|Evilgidgit]] ([[User talk:Evilgidgit|talk]]) 10:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC) |
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Spooky, isn't it? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.65.34.106|67.65.34.106]] ([[User talk:67.65.34.106|talk]]) 23:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== E-Series == |
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The section on the E-Series robots, a group of minor characters, has been spun off into its own article. I'm not entirely sure why. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <font color="black">'''Bl♟ck'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:A_Man_In_Black|conspire]] - [[Special:Contributions/A Man In Black|past ops]])</small> 21:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:Why does it even need to be merged? There's enough information at the recurring characters article, and this is just superfluous in-universe information. [[User:Haipa Doragon|Haipa Doragon]] ([[User talk:Haipa Doragon|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Haipa Doragon|contributions]]) 23:23, 29 May 2009 (UTC) |
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::Well, because it should be redirected, and while we're at it any good from it could be imported over here. - [[User:A Man In Black|A Man In <font color="black">'''Bl♟ck'''</font>]] <small>([[User talk:A_Man_In_Black|conspire]] - [[Special:Contributions/A Man In Black|past ops]])</small> 23:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Well I'm the one who made that page, because 1. The Chaotix group have their own page aswell, 2. Though most of them are minor characters, the group itself is recurring, and 3. It's only a part of the series. No big deal right? [[User:Looney Guy]] <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 17:04, 30 May 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::::The problem is that the [[E-100 Series]] article lacks the necessary [[WP:PSTS|secondary sourcing]] to establish [[WP:N|notability]]. The Chaotix are completely irrelevant, nor are the facts that they're recurring or part of a series going to help ''that'' article. The fundamental point is, unless the article can gain [[WP:RS|reliable]], [[WP:IS|independent sources]], i.e. ''not'' those from things such as the developers, it is unsuitable for inclusion on Wikipedia. [[User:Haipa Doragon|Haipa Doragon]] ([[User talk:Haipa Doragon|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Haipa Doragon|contributions]]) 17:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::Well, what kind of secondary sources are there? [[User:Looney Guy]] <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 18:25, 1 June 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::::::For the E-Series? None of the top of my head, which is why the article should be merged into here. You ''might'' be able to get one, or two decent bits of reliable secondary sources off something like IGN, but not enough to warrant an article. '''[[User:SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#CCFF00">SLJCO</font>]][[User talk:SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#CD00CC">AAATR</font>]] <sup>[[Special:Contributions/SLJCOAAATR 1|<font color="#009A63">4 6 8 15 16 23 42 108 305 316</font>]]'''</sup> 22:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC) |
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== Not even born yet. == |
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Personally, I don't think Silver should have an age. He was born in the future, theirfore, he is going to be born. So, right now, he dosen't have an age. [[User:Saprissy|Saprissy]] ([[User talk:Saprissy|talk]]) 17:08, 26 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:Blaze has an age and isn't she from the future? There's nothing wrong with it. [[User:Mokoniki|Mokoniki]] | [[User talk:Mokoniki|talk]] 17:27, 26 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== Light Gaia == |
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I put an Artical about Light Gaia (AKA: Chip) but it was deleted.Dosen't he play a major roll at the end of Sonic Unleash? He is also a playable character (as Gaia Colossus). <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Saprissy|Saprissy]] ([[User talk:Saprissy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Saprissy|contribs]]) 17:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:A character having a major role in a game doesn't justify it being able to have an article. As much as I would love for Chip to have an article, he will probably never get an article, as he is a one-time only character, and will probably never be seen again. Which means that all of what we know about him, is on Sonic Unleashed, which is very little information, which wouldn't be enough to let him have his own article. It would also need reliable sources. [[User:Mokoniki|Mokoniki]] | [[User talk:Mokoniki|talk]] 17:40, 26 October 2009 (UTC) |
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True but dose that mean that Migty the Armedillo should be kicked from the artical. I hardly ever heard of him. [[User:Saprissy|Saprissy]] ([[User talk:Saprissy|talk]]) 17:14, 27 October 2009 (UTC) |
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:True, I hardly hear about Mighty as well, but there are some reliable sources provided for the information given for him. [[User:Mokoniki|Mokoniki]] | [[User talk:Mokoniki|talk]] 17:32, 27 October 2009 (UTC) |
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Should Tom & Maddie Wachowski be added to the "Characters in other media"?
I was mainly wondering whether it's time to add Tom & Maddie to the "Characters in Other Media" section. As they're very important characters for the movie franchise, with them both being in three films as lead characters by the end of the year and Maddie even having a big role in the Knuckles show too (plus they were both in the "Prequill" comic for Sonic 2).
They haven't been in games no, but neither has Chris Thorndyke and he's on there and Sally only had a small cameo in Spinball. So yeah, I just wanted to see if anyone else thinks we should add them now (maybe even Agent Stone too potentially). Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 22:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- See the inclusion criteria at the top of the page. Sergecross73 msg me 23:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- Technically then they should be allowed on right? Cause they've been in the movies, the Knuckles show and the prequel comic too. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 04:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- How about when it comes to exclusive members of the Guardian Unit of Nations (or G.U.N. for short) should we find some sources to establish a section for it as well as sections for Tikal and Pachacamac (who Christopher Lloyd is voicing in Knuckles) as both of them are currently redirecting to this article. --Rtkat3 (talk) 22:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Technically then they should be allowed on right? Cause they've been in the movies, the Knuckles show and the prequel comic too. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 04:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2024
Please just let me edit the page thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 7s6uy8iwj (talk • contribs) 19:07, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Not done Please submit requested changes on the talk page. Sergecross73 msg me 19:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
I'm perfectly sure Big should have his own article
Sonic series may have a huge cast however, despite the oversize cast of the series, only about six of them get their own independent article while characters like Amy Rose can get into argument over she can have her own article. For Big, I have been writing a draft about Big within a sandbox and I think it's ready and loaded to become an independent article on Wikipedia because I was able to find my three best sources which are 14 or 21, 22 and 24. Also for some still-in-topic discussion, I also to believe other Sonic characters might get it own independent article instead of being a section the list article so. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 02:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Which new sources that are significant coverage have you found? (It's best to link them rather than mention them by number like that since the numbering may change as it's being edited and altered.) Sergecross73 msg me 15:05, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I only think Big can really get his own article if other more important/prominent characters like Amy (who really needs one), Rouge, the Chaotix, etc. ever get their own first. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 21:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just seen he does has his own page then, the fact that Big has his own page yet Amy doesn't is very bizzare. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 22:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- They published their draft without waiting for any feedback. I'm not particularly convinced either should have articles in their current state/what people have proposed in the past. Sergecross73 msg me 22:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Tribal-Mand0 It usually doesn't matter if less important characters like for example, Bobby from Paper Mario: The Origami King gets his own article before more important like Bowser. Jr did which has been redirected due of not showing notability so. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 22:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Still though, I think at the very least Amy deserves her own page then, considering she is one of the core main characters of the franchise. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 23:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Again, that's not how it works. Read WP:NVGC and the WP:GNG for how it works. Sergecross73 msg me 23:58, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have seen an AFD discussion for Big the Cat. How minor is Big the Cat anyway? --Rtkat3 (talk) 18:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- What is that question supposed to mean? Sergecross73 msg me 22:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's supposed to mean that @Rtkat3 has seen an AFD discussion for Big and wanted to know how minor he is. For the minor question, in my opinion, Big is not really a minor character in the series since he has made some important appearances in games like Sonic Adventure, Heroes and maybe Frontiers I guess? NatwonTSG2 (talk) 13:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speaking frankly the "minor character" reasoning never sat right with me for that AfD, the bigger problem was the sourcing not really saying a lot about him to substantiate the article (no offense meant by that, I dug a bit too and struggled to find anything that could really carry it). But minor characters in a franchise can work perfectly fine as articles if they're picked up as fan favorites by media outlets or get some solid discussion behind them.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's supposed to mean that @Rtkat3 has seen an AFD discussion for Big and wanted to know how minor he is. For the minor question, in my opinion, Big is not really a minor character in the series since he has made some important appearances in games like Sonic Adventure, Heroes and maybe Frontiers I guess? NatwonTSG2 (talk) 13:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- What is that question supposed to mean? Sergecross73 msg me 22:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have seen an AFD discussion for Big the Cat. How minor is Big the Cat anyway? --Rtkat3 (talk) 18:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Again, that's not how it works. Read WP:NVGC and the WP:GNG for how it works. Sergecross73 msg me 23:58, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Still though, I think at the very least Amy deserves her own page then, considering she is one of the core main characters of the franchise. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 23:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just seen he does has his own page then, the fact that Big has his own page yet Amy doesn't is very bizzare. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 22:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)