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# For characters from the games, the character must have made a substantial (e.g. non cameo) appearance in ''at least'' '''two''' ''Sonic'' games. Because ''Sonic'' has such a large cast of characters, this list is primarily dedicated to major ones. One-off or minor characters are considered out of this list's scope and should be covered within their respective game's article rather than here. |
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#:An example of a character who '''meets''' this criteria is Ray the Flying Squirrel, who makes substantial appearances in ''[[SegaSonic the Hedgehog]]'' and ''[[Sonic Mania Plus]]''. This is the minimum required for a character to be considered noteworthy for this list. |
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# For characters from other media (TV shows, movies, and comics), the character must have made a substantial appearance in ''at least'' '''two''' different forms of media. Because ''Sonic'' is primarily a video game franchise and there are too many ''Sonic'' characters exclusive to non-video game media to be listed here, a separate criteria exists to determine if a non-game character can be listed. |
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#:An example of a character who '''meets''' this criteria is Princess Sally, who made substantial appearances in the [[Sonic the Hedgehog (TV series)|Saturday morning ''Sonic'' cartoon]] and the [[Sonic the Hedgehog (Archie Comics)|Archie Comics ''Sonic the Hedgehog'' series]]. Therefore, she can be listed, even though she has never made a substantial appearance in a ''Sonic'' game. |
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== Should Tom & Maddie Wachowski be added to the "Characters in other media"? == |
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== Maria == |
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I was mainly wondering whether it's time to add Tom & Maddie to the "Characters in Other Media" section. As they're very important characters for the movie franchise, with them both being in three films as lead characters by the end of the year and Maddie even having a big role in the Knuckles show too (plus they were both in the "Prequill" comic for Sonic 2). |
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They haven't been in games no, but neither has Chris Thorndyke and he's on there and Sally only had a small cameo in Spinball. So yeah, I just wanted to see if anyone else thinks we should add them now (maybe even Agent Stone too potentially). [[User:Tribal-Mand0|Tribal-Mand0]] ([[User talk:Tribal-Mand0|talk]]) 22:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:See the inclusion criteria at the top of the page. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 23:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC) |
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::Technically then they should be allowed on right? Cause they've been in the movies, the Knuckles show and the prequel comic too. [[User:Tribal-Mand0|Tribal-Mand0]] ([[User talk:Tribal-Mand0|talk]]) 04:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:Just noticed this, but I reverted the edit because it said that she was playable in a multiplayer mode, which isn't technically accurate; she's playable in the single-player campaign of ''Shadow the Hedgehog'' as a partner character, but she is not playable in that game's multiplayer mode (only Shadow and variants of him are). Saying she's playable in the multiplayer mode isn't accurate, and the edit itself was vague in structure. She's not playable in ''Sonic Adventure 2'' or ''Shadow The Hedgehog'''s multiplayer modes, so it's not correct to say she is. Unless I somehow missed this fact, Maria has never been playable in a dedicated multiplayer mode in any Sonic game. [[User:Raptormimus456|Raptormimus456]] ([[User talk:Raptormimus456|talk]]) 00:31, 22 February 2016 (UTC) |
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:::How about when it comes to exclusive members of the Guardian Unit of Nations (or G.U.N. for short) should we find some sources to establish a section for it as well as sections for Tikal and Pachacamac (who [[Christopher Lloyd]] is voicing in ''Knuckles'') as both of them are currently redirecting to this article. --[[User:Rtkat3|Rtkat3]] ([[User talk:Rtkat3|talk]]) 22:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Because if we mention it for Maria, than we'd probably need to mention it for all the other guys, too. Besides, that sort of thing is really more suited to the game's article and not the character list. At least, IMO. [[User:Raptormimus456|Raptormimus456]] ([[User talk:Raptormimus456|talk]]) 01:05, 22 February 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::Again, it's not really something I find is required for the character article. Maybe the game article, but not the one for the characters. It's not really notable for Maria specifically, it's just a mechanic of the game itself. So again, why make a note about it for Maria, but then not bring it up for, say, Charmy or Knuckles? It's a thing that belongs over on the game article and not here, at least in my own opinion. [[User:Raptormimus456|Raptormimus456]] ([[User talk:Raptormimus456|talk]]) 14:33, 22 February 2016 (UTC) |
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::::::^ Ironically, Charmy is one of the only characters the second player CAN'T control in that game. Anyway, I honestly don't see the problem with it, and it's not the type of thing we'd have to list for every character; the only reason it's notable in this context is that it's the only time she appears as a playable character in the entire franchise. Something simple like "Maria's only playable appearance is in ''Shadow the Hedgehog'', where she can be controlled by a second player during specific in-game missions." should suffice. -- [[Special:Contributions/136.181.195.25|136.181.195.25]] ([[User talk:136.181.195.25|talk]]) 15:11, 22 February 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::::That's a lot better, yeah. Removes the ambiguity from the situation. I'll add that to the article. [[User:Raptormimus456|Raptormimus456]] ([[User talk:Raptormimus456|talk]]) 15:18, 22 February 2016 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2024 == |
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== Sticks the Badger == |
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Please just let me edit the page thanks. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:7s6uy8iwj|7s6uy8iwj]] ([[User talk:7s6uy8iwj#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/7s6uy8iwj|contribs]]) 19:07, 19 April 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:{{Notdone}} Please submit requested changes on the talk page. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 19:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== I'm perfectly sure Big should have his own article == |
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Should Sticks be integrated into this page? While she's primarily associated with the Sonic Boom brand (appearing in all four Boom games, 3 of which were playable appearances), Sega's been integrating her into the main series as of late; she's got an [http://sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannel/character/sticks.html official profile] on the Japanese "Sonic Channel" website (which focuses almost entirely on the main series), and she's now playable in both ''Runners'' and the new ''Mario & Sonic'' game. It might not be a bad idea to write up a brief blurb with her basic personality traits, game appearances, and some details on her creation and the comparatively unusual means by which she became part of the franchise. -- [[Special:Contributions/136.181.195.25|136.181.195.25]] ([[User talk:136.181.195.25|talk]]) 15:03, 22 February 2016 (UTC) |
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: I don't see why she can't, honestly; the article covers other pieces of ''Sonic Boom'' media, so Sticks should be fine to include here. [[User:Raptormimus456|Raptormimus456]] ([[User talk:Raptormimus456|talk]]) 15:09, 22 February 2016 (UTC) |
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:Yup, she's fine to go in now. The main inclusion criteria for the article is for a character to appear in more than one game, which she has, so she's good. If she's ever been removed, it was from back before the ''Boom'' games were out, or due to it being a poorly written or unsourced entry. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 15:33, 22 February 2016 (UTC) |
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::Cool. I'll leave it to someone else to type something up, since being an anon, I'm not exactly in a position to edit the page. While on the subject of re-adding characters, what's the stance on the Deadly Six? Their primary appearance is ''Lost World'', of course, but we've also had members, if not the whole group, making appearances in other titles. All six made [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0g3WPE7Jmw non-playable story appearances] in ''Runners'' and as a trophy in ''Smash Bros Wii U'', Zavok and Zazz are [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9CSFFoXxF8&t=32m10s playable] in ''Rio'', and Zazz has been a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KxVSuwyfjU boss] in ''Dash'' and ''Runners''. Notable enough for addition, or should we keep them off? -- [[Special:Contributions/136.181.195.25|136.181.195.25]] ([[User talk:136.181.195.25|talk]]) 18:23, 22 February 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::It seems to have died down at this point, at least; it was only one person reverting the edit, and they seem to have decided not to pursue the matter any longer. I'd source it, but of course I'm not quite sure what we should source here; the Sonic Channel entry, maybe? [[User:Raptormimus456|Raptormimus456]] ([[User talk:Raptormimus456|talk]]) 22:09, 26 February 2016 (UTC) |
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[[Sonic the Hedgehog|''Sonic'' series]] may have a huge cast however, despite the oversize cast of the series, only about six of them get their own independent article while characters like Amy Rose can get into argument over she can have her own article. For Big, I have been writing a draft about Big within [[User:NatwonTSG2/Sonic#Big the Cat|a sandbox]] and I think it's ready and loaded to become an independent article on [[Wikipedia]] because I was able to find my three best sources which are 14 or 21, 22 and 24. Also for some still-in-topic discussion, I also to believe other ''Sonic'' characters might get it own independent article instead of being a section the list article so. [[User:NatwonTSG2|NatwonTSG2]] ([[User talk:NatwonTSG2|talk]]) 02:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC) |
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==Metal Sonic as Metal== |
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:{{cite episode |title=It Wasn't Me, It Was the One-Armed Hedgehog |series=Sonic Boom |minutes=9 |first=Sonic |last=The Hedgehog |quote=I guess when you get tired, you can just recharge. That's the difference between you and me, Metal. I don't get tired.}} |
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⚫ | :Which new sources that are significant coverage have you found? (It's best to link them rather than mention them by number like that since the numbering may change as it's being edited and altered.) [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 15:05, 26 May 2024 (UTC) |
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This ep cite should support our inclusion of "Metal" as an abbreviation of Metal Sonic's name. Anyone want to add? [[Special:Contributions/184.145.18.50|184.145.18.50]] ([[User talk:184.145.18.50|talk]]) 18:39, 23 February 2016 (UTC) |
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:I only think Big can really get his own article if other more important/prominent characters like Amy (who really needs one), Rouge, the Chaotix, etc. ever get their own first. [[User:Tribal-Mand0|Tribal-Mand0]] ([[User talk:Tribal-Mand0|talk]]) 21:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:Is is really necessary to note? Its not very common its used as a name by itself, and its not like we mention or cite that "Knuckles the Echidna" also just goes by "Knuckles"... [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 19:26, 23 February 2016 (UTC) |
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::Just seen he does has his own page then, the fact that Big has his own page yet Amy doesn't is very bizzare. [[User:Tribal-Mand0|Tribal-Mand0]] ([[User talk:Tribal-Mand0|talk]]) 22:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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⚫ | :::They published their draft without waiting for any feedback. I'm not particularly convinced either should have articles in their current state/what people have proposed in the past. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 22:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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::@[[User:Tribal-Mand0|Tribal-Mand0]] It usually doesn't matter if less important characters like for example, [[Bobby (Paper Mario)|Bobby]] from ''[[Paper Mario: The Origami King]]'' gets his own article before more important like Bowser. Jr did which has been redirected due of not showing notability so. [[User:NatwonTSG2|NatwonTSG2]] ([[User talk:NatwonTSG2|talk]]) 22:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::Still though, I think at the very least Amy deserves her own page then, considering she is one of the core main characters of the franchise. [[User:Tribal-Mand0|Tribal-Mand0]] ([[User talk:Tribal-Mand0|talk]]) 23:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::I have seen an [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Big the Cat|AFD discussion]] for Big the Cat. How minor is Big the Cat anyway? --[[User:Rtkat3|Rtkat3]] ([[User talk:Rtkat3|talk]]) 18:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:::::::I think it's supposed to mean that @[[User:Rtkat3|Rtkat3]] has seen an AFD discussion for Big and wanted to know how minor he is. For the minor question, in my opinion, Big is not really a minor character in the series since he has made some important appearances in games like Sonic Adventure, Heroes and maybe Frontiers I guess? [[User:NatwonTSG2|NatwonTSG2]] ([[User talk:NatwonTSG2|talk]]) 13:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::::Speaking frankly the "minor character" reasoning never sat right with me for that AfD, the bigger problem was the sourcing not really saying a lot about him to substantiate the article (no offense meant by that, I dug a bit too and struggled to find anything that could really carry it). But minor characters in a franchise can work perfectly fine as articles if they're picked up as fan favorites by media outlets or get some solid discussion behind them.--[[User:Kung Fu Man|Kung Fu Man]] ([[User talk:Kung Fu Man|talk]]) 13:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Should Tom & Maddie Wachowski be added to the "Characters in other media"?
I was mainly wondering whether it's time to add Tom & Maddie to the "Characters in Other Media" section. As they're very important characters for the movie franchise, with them both being in three films as lead characters by the end of the year and Maddie even having a big role in the Knuckles show too (plus they were both in the "Prequill" comic for Sonic 2).
They haven't been in games no, but neither has Chris Thorndyke and he's on there and Sally only had a small cameo in Spinball. So yeah, I just wanted to see if anyone else thinks we should add them now (maybe even Agent Stone too potentially). Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 22:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- See the inclusion criteria at the top of the page. Sergecross73 msg me 23:17, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
- Technically then they should be allowed on right? Cause they've been in the movies, the Knuckles show and the prequel comic too. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 04:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- How about when it comes to exclusive members of the Guardian Unit of Nations (or G.U.N. for short) should we find some sources to establish a section for it as well as sections for Tikal and Pachacamac (who Christopher Lloyd is voicing in Knuckles) as both of them are currently redirecting to this article. --Rtkat3 (talk) 22:46, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Technically then they should be allowed on right? Cause they've been in the movies, the Knuckles show and the prequel comic too. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 04:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2024
Please just let me edit the page thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 7s6uy8iwj (talk • contribs) 19:07, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Not done Please submit requested changes on the talk page. Sergecross73 msg me 19:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
I'm perfectly sure Big should have his own article
Sonic series may have a huge cast however, despite the oversize cast of the series, only about six of them get their own independent article while characters like Amy Rose can get into argument over she can have her own article. For Big, I have been writing a draft about Big within a sandbox and I think it's ready and loaded to become an independent article on Wikipedia because I was able to find my three best sources which are 14 or 21, 22 and 24. Also for some still-in-topic discussion, I also to believe other Sonic characters might get it own independent article instead of being a section the list article so. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 02:49, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- Which new sources that are significant coverage have you found? (It's best to link them rather than mention them by number like that since the numbering may change as it's being edited and altered.) Sergecross73 msg me 15:05, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- I only think Big can really get his own article if other more important/prominent characters like Amy (who really needs one), Rouge, the Chaotix, etc. ever get their own first. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 21:59, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just seen he does has his own page then, the fact that Big has his own page yet Amy doesn't is very bizzare. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 22:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- They published their draft without waiting for any feedback. I'm not particularly convinced either should have articles in their current state/what people have proposed in the past. Sergecross73 msg me 22:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Tribal-Mand0 It usually doesn't matter if less important characters like for example, Bobby from Paper Mario: The Origami King gets his own article before more important like Bowser. Jr did which has been redirected due of not showing notability so. NatwonTSG2 (talk) 22:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Still though, I think at the very least Amy deserves her own page then, considering she is one of the core main characters of the franchise. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 23:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Again, that's not how it works. Read WP:NVGC and the WP:GNG for how it works. Sergecross73 msg me 23:58, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- I have seen an AFD discussion for Big the Cat. How minor is Big the Cat anyway? --Rtkat3 (talk) 18:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- What is that question supposed to mean? Sergecross73 msg me 22:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's supposed to mean that @Rtkat3 has seen an AFD discussion for Big and wanted to know how minor he is. For the minor question, in my opinion, Big is not really a minor character in the series since he has made some important appearances in games like Sonic Adventure, Heroes and maybe Frontiers I guess? NatwonTSG2 (talk) 13:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- Speaking frankly the "minor character" reasoning never sat right with me for that AfD, the bigger problem was the sourcing not really saying a lot about him to substantiate the article (no offense meant by that, I dug a bit too and struggled to find anything that could really carry it). But minor characters in a franchise can work perfectly fine as articles if they're picked up as fan favorites by media outlets or get some solid discussion behind them.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 13:07, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's supposed to mean that @Rtkat3 has seen an AFD discussion for Big and wanted to know how minor he is. For the minor question, in my opinion, Big is not really a minor character in the series since he has made some important appearances in games like Sonic Adventure, Heroes and maybe Frontiers I guess? NatwonTSG2 (talk) 13:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
- What is that question supposed to mean? Sergecross73 msg me 22:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have seen an AFD discussion for Big the Cat. How minor is Big the Cat anyway? --Rtkat3 (talk) 18:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- Again, that's not how it works. Read WP:NVGC and the WP:GNG for how it works. Sergecross73 msg me 23:58, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Still though, I think at the very least Amy deserves her own page then, considering she is one of the core main characters of the franchise. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 23:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just seen he does has his own page then, the fact that Big has his own page yet Amy doesn't is very bizzare. Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 22:03, 28 May 2024 (UTC)