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Okay so I think I've found enough sources to split the Chaotix into their own separate article but I wanted to discuss it here before I make a move. When I was researching for ''[[Knuckles' Chaotix]]'', I found that the coverage of the characters was not stuff like "I like Espio" or "I don't like Vector". Some of the old magazine articles (such as [http://info.sonicretro.org/images/e/e6/Kc_SegaMagazine_Preview2_03.jpg this one]) went into excessive, ''in-depth'' detail on what each character's abilities were, controlled like, how they affected gameplay, and looked like. I've also found GameSpot and Destructoid articles dedicated entirely to them. Any thoughts? [[User:TheJoebro64|<span style="color:red"><small>JOE</small>{{#if:JOE||[[Category:Pages using small with an empty input parameter]]}}</span>]][[User talk:TheJoebro64|<small>BRO</small>{{#if:BRO||[[Category:Pages using small with an empty input parameter]]}}]][[Special:Contributions/TheJoebro64|<font color="#D18719">64</font>]] 01:09, 16 November 2017 (UTC) |
Okay so I think I've found enough sources to split the Chaotix into their own separate article but I wanted to discuss it here before I make a move. When I was researching for ''[[Knuckles' Chaotix]]'', I found that the coverage of the characters was not stuff like "I like Espio" or "I don't like Vector". Some of the old magazine articles (such as [http://info.sonicretro.org/images/e/e6/Kc_SegaMagazine_Preview2_03.jpg this one]) went into excessive, ''in-depth'' detail on what each character's abilities were, controlled like, how they affected gameplay, and looked like. I've also found GameSpot and Destructoid articles dedicated entirely to them. Any thoughts? [[User:TheJoebro64|<span style="color:red"><small>JOE</small>{{#if:JOE||[[Category:Pages using small with an empty input parameter]]}}</span>]][[User talk:TheJoebro64|<small>BRO</small>{{#if:BRO||[[Category:Pages using small with an empty input parameter]]}}]][[Special:Contributions/TheJoebro64|<font color="#D18719">64</font>]] 01:09, 16 November 2017 (UTC) |
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:It's hard to say, since you really only showed one source (though that one does look good.) but I'd recommend having a ''really'' strong case if you go for it - in the last few years, there's been a real trend of cutting down on articles for side ''Sonic'' characters (there's been like 8-10 merged I think now) and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Sonic&action=history there's been a bunch of recent ''Sonic'' mergers lately too]. Fictions video game characters are generally pretty difficult - sources commonly don't provide significant coverage, and there's a number of experienced editors who patrol the area and redirect/merge them. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 01:38, 16 November 2017 (UTC) |
:It's hard to say, since you really only showed one source (though that one does look good.) but I'd recommend having a ''really'' strong case if you go for it - in the last few years, there's been a real trend of cutting down on articles for side ''Sonic'' characters (there's been like 8-10 merged I think now) and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Sonic&action=history there's been a bunch of recent ''Sonic'' mergers lately too]. Fictions video game characters are generally pretty difficult - sources commonly don't provide significant coverage, and there's a number of experienced editors who patrol the area and redirect/merge them. [[User:Sergecross73|<span style="color:green">Sergecross73</span>]] [[User talk:Sergecross73|<span style="color:teal">msg me</span>]] 01:38, 16 November 2017 (UTC) |
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::[http://www.ign.com/articles/2003/12/04/sonic-heroes-profiles-team-chaotix Well, here we go]. I've started a draft [[User:TheJoebro64/drafts/Chaotix|here]] to create a page for 'em. [[User:TheJoebro64|<span style="color:red"><small>JOE</small>{{#if:JOE||[[Category:Pages using small with an empty input parameter]]}}</span>]][[User talk:TheJoebro64|<small>BRO</small>{{#if:BRO||[[Category:Pages using small with an empty input parameter]]}}]][[Special:Contributions/TheJoebro64|<font color="#D18719">64</font>]] 22:41, 1 December 2017 (UTC) |
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Fang the Sniper vs Nack the Weasel
Why are we using the name "Nack the Weasel" over Fang the Sniper? He used that name in only one game, the English localization of Sonic Triple Trouble. Every other game that featured him called him Fang the Sniper in every region, even USA. Even Sonic the Fighters did; it renamed Eggman to Robotnik outside of Japan but kept Fang's name unchanged. So I think it would make more sense to call him that. Bluest Bird (talk) 09:59, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
- Sonic Triple Trouble is really the only game he's ever had a significant role in, and we favor English names on the English Wikipedia. Not sure it really matters, both Nack the Weasel and Fang the Sniper redirect to the same place, and both names are mentioned in the opening words of its entry. Sergecross73 msg me 14:57, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
- His role in Sonic the Fighter was no lesser than that of most characters present in that game. And why does that even matter? The fact that he was called Fang in 3 out of 4 games makes it his most prominent name in the games, and the one that superseded his previous English name. Moreover, Fang is an English name as well, seeing how it's the one used by the localizations of most games that feature him. Just like Eggman. Bluest Bird (talk) 15:20, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
- To complement my previous point, I'll add that even the news media referred to him as Fang back when he still appeared in the games, as this '96 magazine article in English[1] about Sonic X-treme shows, indicating that Sega of America called him that even in the context of American-made games like X-treme. So yeah, this notion about Fang being a Japan-only name is a big fan misconception. If anything, Nack is more akin to Amy's original name in American Sonic CD, Princess Sally: a localization name that was scrapped right after the first game, which makes it obsolete. Bluest Bird (talk) 15:57, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
- His role in Sonic the Fighter was no lesser than that of most characters present in that game. And why does that even matter? The fact that he was called Fang in 3 out of 4 games makes it his most prominent name in the games, and the one that superseded his previous English name. Moreover, Fang is an English name as well, seeing how it's the one used by the localizations of most games that feature him. Just like Eggman. Bluest Bird (talk) 15:20, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
Mr. Touma's Twitter
What do you mean "random, unverified Twitter users"? toumartcom isn't a random Twitter account; it's the account of Touma, Fang's character designer and creator. Bluest Bird (talk) 20:19, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
- Lets take a couple steps back here - there's a number of things you haven't established yet. Everything needs to be covered by reliable sources, and there's much missing here:
- Can it be confirmed that this is his Twitter account? It is not a verified account. Anyone could go out and create a Twitter account to the capacity of "Touma" and "Art".
- The tweet is in Japanese. Can it be confirmed that it was correctly translated? Words often have many/multiple ways of translation.
- Do we have verification that Touma is the artist at all? That's not sourced, or even mentioned, anywhere in the article.
- Does it make sense to include? If no sources ever reported on this, and all we have is an off hand comment on Twitter, is it of importance?
- Does it make sense to implement like you did here, where you made an already convoluted sentence even more complicated? (Try reading that opening sentence out-loud. It's a mess.)
- For these reasons and more, yes, I reverted your addition. Sergecross73 msg me 21:15, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
- All right, here's the source that Touma designed Fang:
- https://web.archive.org/web/20160324051409/https://artoyz.com/shop/blog/interviews/mise-au-point-avec-touma/
- As for confirming that that's his Twitter account, you can verify it by doing the following: Go to Touma's site[2], click on "Blog", and then click on "Twitter" on the right sidebar. It will take you to the Twitter account that posted the tweet.
- About the translation, fans have translated the tweet themselves, and I ran it on Google Translate as well as an extra check. If you still doubt it, then who get someone you deem a trustworthy Japanese translator to translate it.
- Finally, I would think the character's species is an important attribute about a Sonic character like him. And I disagree it makes things convoluted, as the addition was just a single sentence in parenthesis. It didn't affect the paragraph's structure or anything. Bluest Bird (talk) 23:59, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
- Alright, I'm fine with inclusion now that you've verified everything, though I think a different form/context may be better, as to avoid this issue happening again years in the future, with so much of the context missing to your average reader. Perhaps a separate sentence explaining something to the capacity of "According to Touma, Fang's original character designer, Fang was initially intended to be a wolf/jerboa hybrid animal" or something. Sergecross73 msg me 17:01, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
- Very well. Would we be putting that sentence in references or the article itself? Bluest Bird (talk) 15:27, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
- Alright, I'm fine with inclusion now that you've verified everything, though I think a different form/context may be better, as to avoid this issue happening again years in the future, with so much of the context missing to your average reader. Perhaps a separate sentence explaining something to the capacity of "According to Touma, Fang's original character designer, Fang was initially intended to be a wolf/jerboa hybrid animal" or something. Sergecross73 msg me 17:01, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Splitting Chaotix
Okay so I think I've found enough sources to split the Chaotix into their own separate article but I wanted to discuss it here before I make a move. When I was researching for Knuckles' Chaotix, I found that the coverage of the characters was not stuff like "I like Espio" or "I don't like Vector". Some of the old magazine articles (such as this one) went into excessive, in-depth detail on what each character's abilities were, controlled like, how they affected gameplay, and looked like. I've also found GameSpot and Destructoid articles dedicated entirely to them. Any thoughts? JOEBRO64 01:09, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- It's hard to say, since you really only showed one source (though that one does look good.) but I'd recommend having a really strong case if you go for it - in the last few years, there's been a real trend of cutting down on articles for side Sonic characters (there's been like 8-10 merged I think now) and there's been a bunch of recent Sonic mergers lately too. Fictions video game characters are generally pretty difficult - sources commonly don't provide significant coverage, and there's a number of experienced editors who patrol the area and redirect/merge them. Sergecross73 msg me 01:38, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- Well, here we go. I've started a draft here to create a page for 'em. JOEBRO64 22:41, 1 December 2017 (UTC)