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Criteria for top of talk page
Since there's no stated criteria at the top of the talk page, I drafted up a proposal for one:
Because there are so many Sonic characters both in video games and other media, a set of criteria to determine characters' inclusion on this list has been developed based on Wikipedia's standard for notability.
- For characters from the games, the character must have made a substantial (e.g. non cameo) appearance in at least two Sonic games. Because Sonic has such a large cast of characters, this list is primarily dedicated to major ones. One-off or minor characters are considered out of this list's scope and should be covered within their respective game's article rather than here.
- An example of a character who meets this criteria is Ray the Flying Squirrel, who makes substantial appearances in SegaSonic the Hedgehog and Sonic Mania Plus. This is the minimum required for a character to be considered noteworthy for this list.
- An example of a character who does not meet this criteria is Princess Elise, whose only substantial appearance is in Sonic the Hedgehog (2006). Unless she makes another non-cameo appearance in the future, she fails the inclusion criteria.
- For characters from other media (TV shows, movies, and comics), the character must have made a substantial appearance in at least two different forms of media. Because Sonic is primarily a video game franchise and there are too many Sonic characters exclusive to non-video game media to be listed here, a separate criteria exists to determine if a non-game character can be listed.
- An example of a character who meets this criteria is Princess Sally, who made substantial appearances in the Saturday morning Sonic cartoon and the Archie Comics Sonic the Hedgehog series. Therefore, she can be listed, even though she has never made a substantial appearance in a Sonic game.
- An example of a character who does not meet this criteria is Geoffrey St. John, who, while a fairly significant character within the Archie Comics Sonic series, never appeared outside it. Thus, unless he makes an appearance in another form of media in the future, he fails the inclusion criteria.
- All entries on this list should be backed with secondary, reliable sources. No entries should be sourced entirely to primary sources, and any such entries will be removed.
Any discussions regarding splitting character entries from this list must happen on this talk page before any action is taken, to determine if the character has received enough coverage in reliable sources to be notable enough to stand as their own article.
If anyone has objections or suggestions, just let me know. JOEBRO64 21:28, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- Approved. -- ferret (talk) 21:53, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- I concur with ferret. ‡ Night Watch ω (talk) 20:38, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- I wasn't particularly wanting to go in the direction of adding non-game characters, but if that's what we're doing, this is the best way to do it. Sergecross73 msg me 22:43, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- I have a draft for non game characters in User:Pizzaplayer219/sandbox if you want to help. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 16:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- Quick question, should Sticks be moved to the other media section? (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:44, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Not sure. Technically she does appear in the games. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 16:46, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- The "other media" section was created for non-game characters, wasn't it? Sticks has appeared in multiple games, so I wouldn't think she belongs there. Sergecross73 msg me 16:52, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Well, Sticks originated in Sonic Boom, and a grand majority of their appearances in games (including all mainline game appearances) are connected to that subseries. (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:59, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, I know. For the record, this set up was just newly created. The old inclusion criteria didn't allow for non-game characters at all, but that was recently overwritten. Pizzaplayer has been the only person to add a non-game character so far, and that was just days ago, so the honest answer is that it's yet to be defined anywhere. Sergecross73 msg me 17:22, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Well, Sticks originated in Sonic Boom, and a grand majority of their appearances in games (including all mainline game appearances) are connected to that subseries. (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:59, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- The "other media" section was created for non-game characters, wasn't it? Sticks has appeared in multiple games, so I wouldn't think she belongs there. Sergecross73 msg me 16:52, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- Not sure. Technically she does appear in the games. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 16:46, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
- A reminder on point number 3 here. 2 of the 3 new entries have currently introduced unsourced content into the article. I'm going to start chopping if people don't start sourcing better. Sergecross73 msg me 18:04, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging @BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4 who has added the characters. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 18:06, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
The "unsourced" content is just the story of the relevant media so it doesn't need to be cited. See MOS:PLOTSOURCE. That said, just cause it doesn't need to be, doesn't mean it mustn't, so if y'all want to go tracking down the specific episode numbers and noting them, then feel free. silviaASH (User:BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4) (inquire within) 18:16, 23 October 2022 (UTC)- That generally applies to the plot of the media itself, not spun out related things like character articles. There isn't just a free pass to not have to source anything that can be traced back to the media itself. And it violates the inclusion criteria set in place here regardless. Sergecross73 msg me 18:21, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- I’ll trim down Chris’s section. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 18:24, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, sorry for not having realized that. In that case, it's not a huge deal to get that sourced, so I guess I'll reintroduce the content with citations if and when I feel like it and have time. silviaASH (User:BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4) (inquire within) 18:27, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- I've placed a request for an edit notice about the inclusion criteria, so that no one else wastes their time and effort adding someone who shouldn't be on the list as a result of not noticing it, as I did. Hopefully this is helpful. silviaASH (User:BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4) (inquire within) 18:46, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- That generally applies to the plot of the media itself, not spun out related things like character articles. There isn't just a free pass to not have to source anything that can be traced back to the media itself. And it violates the inclusion criteria set in place here regardless. Sergecross73 msg me 18:21, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging @BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4 who has added the characters. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 18:06, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
Sticks the Badger
Should Sticks the Badger be in the “Characters” subsection or in the “Characters in other media” section. In my opinion I think Stick should be in the “Characters” section since she has mostly appeared in the video games. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 18:20, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- Sticks has made multiple substantial video game appearances, so I think it makes more sense to situate her in the main section where she already was. silviaASH (User:BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4) (inquire within) 18:25, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
- Sticks should be in the other media section. She might've appeared in some games, but she was created for and introduced in the Sonic Boom TV show, and that's where the vast majority of her substantial appearances lie. JOEBRO64 13:52, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Should Tangle, Whisper and Sage get added to the page?
SPOILERS FOR FRONTIERS
Should Tangle the Lemur, Whisper the Wolf and Sage get added to the page? I only ask as for Tangle & Whisper, even though they're in the IDW comics they both are in Sonic Forces Speed Battle and Sonic Dash. And Tangle also gets mentioned in Sonic Frontiers.
And with Sage, although she's only been in Frontiers game-wise, she was in the Prologue Animation (which is canon too), and Frontiers' mid-credits scene has shown she's to have been restored by Eggman (with it being possible she'll return). Tribal-Mand0 (talk) 00:42, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- Read the inclusion criteria higher up on the talk page. If they pass, yes. If they don't, no. Sergecross73 msg me 00:44, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- The appearances you mention are only minor appearances so no they don’t pass the inclusion criteria. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 16:36, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- Pinging @Tribal-Mand0 Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 16:46, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
- The appearances you mention are only minor appearances so no they don’t pass the inclusion criteria. Pizzaplayer219TalkContribs 16:36, 9 November 2022 (UTC)