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== To-do: red plastic gas cans == |
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These things are ubiquitous in the US (or at least any part I've been to) but we don't have an article on them. Like, I've only ever seen three consistent models (each different sizes of the same basic pattern) and looking online, it looks like those are the only three models that have been allowed since the gas crisis in the '70s.{{or|date=October 2018}} |
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I've got a lot of other things on my plate, but I think these might be sufficient sources for someone (me, anyone else, whoever) to write up an article on them: |
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*[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/14/portable-gas-can-explodes-no-flame-arrestor/3551143/ News article] |
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*[https://stateimpact.npr.org/oklahoma/2012/07/09/why-the-largest-maker-of-portable-gas-cans-is-going-out-of-business/ News article] |
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*[https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/my-gas-can-safe-flna2D11693927 News article] |
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*[https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/warning-scientists-say-gas-cans-carry-risk-explosion-flna2D11691903 News article] |
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*[http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20121105/News/211050326 News article] |
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*[https://www.nwcg.gov/sites/default/files/products/pms442.pdf Gov't regulation document] |
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*[https://cpsc.gov/content/consumers-warned-against-storing-gasoline Gov't regulation document] |
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*[https://www.nps.gov/articles/fire-p52-gas-cans.htm Gov't regulation document] |
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*[http://pfcma.com/ "Non-Profit" run by the companies that make these things (haven't actually read through and found specific pages yet)] |
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The last source definitely doesn't establish [[WP:NOTE]] and I'd normally be wary of anyone insisting that it be used. Still, I think they also discuss regulatory info and maybe manufacturing history. Given the news sources (all of which are "oh shit, these things are exploding again" and "please stop doing things to make them explode"), I think it's safe to say that its inclusion probably won't amount to promotion. |
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I'm not sure that this would accomplish much more than a stub, at least with my usual "summarize, paraphrase, combine overlapping statements" approach. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 22:21, 12 October 2018 (UTC) |
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:I saw this up in your table of contents. Those damned things are a colossal nuisance , I finally found a brand that allows better control of flow and doesn't end up slopping gas all over the lawnmower, generator, or tiller. The mesh screen appears nowadays to be broadly used. They also come in yellow for diesel and blue for kerosene. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color: black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color: gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 01:19, 30 December 2018 (UTC) |
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::I am remembering my dad using blue barrels made of the same material for kerosene back when we had a space heater but yeah, I do see the same design in blue and yellow. (I think he got them on sale, I'm not sure I've seen them in stores ever again, and boy hell were they trouble to get rid of). Guess I need to look for sources on the diesel and kerosene ones and figure out what the industry name is for this family of cans. They're not [[Jerrycan]]s (which is where [[gas can]] currently redirects): they're broader, have a handle on the back, and the stamping on the sides is just embossed warning text (not a structural feature). (I'm sure you know but other talk page watchers who haven't opened the links might be wondering why I want to reinvent the Jerrycan). |
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::There's another gas can design that I'm seeing, "Safety gas cans," which I suppose needs to be written about as well. Basically squat half-capsule mini-barrels with a handle and spout on the flatly rounded top. They're why I haven't just made "gas can" about the red plastic ones, since we really need "gas can" to be a disambig between the standard plastic, the Jerrycan, and the safety gas cans. Thanks for helping me realize that. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 01:38, 30 December 2018 (UTC) |
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:::I'm accumulating a museum of gas cans. I got two of the safety cans after squirrels started eating the plastic ones. After that generation of squirrels died they seem to have stopped munching plastic and confine themselves to the house, so now I have some plastic ones that are easier to handle, and a yellow one in case we run out of heating oil - I can get off-road diesel and use that in a pinch. I think [[fuel container]] is a safe generic term. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color: black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color: gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 01:49, 30 December 2018 (UTC) |
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*I guess maybe a redirect to [[Bin bag]] would suffice? [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 23:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC) |
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I should have announced this sooner but it just kinda crept up on me. Between various issues (less prep time at work, trying to affordably diet and exercise better), I've just not had enough energy when I'm home beyond what I need to get ready for the next work day or upcoming week. |
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I've bought some sources to expand articles on Goetic demons, though. I may work some on that without fully coming off of the Wikibreak. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 23:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hi Ian - we haven't interacted much, so sorry for coming out of the blue, but I wanted to tell you that when I was in my 'I have an account, but I mostly just read stuff without commenting' stage, your contributions were a real inspiration for me to actually get involved. You were one of the most active editors on some of the pages I was interested in, and I saw your name come up time and again attached to sensible, rational comments. So, yeah - I'm a fan. |
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:Anyone deserves and can self-award a break whenever they want to; I'd suggest that you have definitely earned one if you feel like it, and should take as long as you need/want. If you want to do some article-writing without engaging with admin stuff (or anything else) you're still doing good work - thank you! [[User:Girth Summit|<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#006400;">Girth</span> <span style="font-family:Impact;color:#4B0082;">Summit</span>]][[User talk:Girth Summit|<sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub>]] 23:21, 13 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::I am going to pile on here as another "out of the blue" editor. I don't think we have ever interacted directly at all but you have certainly provided value to me as an editor (and no doubt to Wikipedia as a whole) and that does not go away because you have other things to focus on whether that shift in focus is temporary or permanent. Now go get some exercise! :) [[User:S0091|S0091]] ([[User talk:S0091|talk]]) 21:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC) |
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Every two weeks, when my email login expires and I have to log back in, I get the notification that "I" have too many failed logins and need to reset my password. Even after almost a year of inactivity, this is still the case. To the asshole(s) doing that, you could have made bank on crypto by now, and I'm saying that as someone who thinks all cryptocurrency is a scam. |
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For your RSN post. Can you figure out why [[Simon Mol]] has [[HIV/AIDS denialism#Death of HIV-positive denialists|HIV Denialism]] as a see also or what makes Mol an Aids denialist? Rejecting that one has HIV doesn't mean they deny the existence of HIV. Simon Mol was deleted at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon Mol]] but recreated by this editor last December. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 15:17, 31 August 2014 (UTC) |
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:Wow, I'm gonna need more caffeine for that one. First impression is that if we trim out all the OR, there might not be enough left to establish notability. I've got an appointment in a bit, but I'll add it to my watchlist and make a note of it. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 15:26, 31 August 2014 (UTC) |
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Thanks to Wikipedia, I got to see alt-right talking points identified as such well before they became a part of mainstream conversation. Offline individuals who I trusted and respected started hinting at these talking points more and more. Pretty much every attempt to show them the source and goal of those ideas only stalled things at best. When politicians aren't stirring up the alt-right, they're defending those who stir them up, or defending those who defend the pandering, or saying we need to cooperate with those who are ultimately defending the alt-right. And the number of users I've seen hounded for saying [[WP:NONAZIS|"we shouldn't allow Nazis on the site because it's antithetical to this site's goals"]] is dismaying. Shame on the shriveled, minuscule, impotent souls whose petty grudges push them to defend fascism just to score points against someone. And if you're upset at my characterization of you as such, you're the one who put the shoe on, Cinderella. |
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See my longer request for consensus and the RS related to him and other "HIV circumcision denialists" [[Talk:HIV/AIDS_denialism|on this talk page]]. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Zezen|Zezen]] ([[User talk:Zezen|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Zezen|contribs]]) 21:23, 31 August 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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On top of that, over the past decade, I've spent half of it on the other side of the world from my hometown. Though this has just slowed the rate at which I was growing tired, it hasn't stopped it. |
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I'm fucking sick of it all. I'd say "Nazis can all go to hell" but that's like telling shit to stink. Wait, no, at least shit has enough sense that it doesn't need to be told to do that. |
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I do want to come back. I'm aware that we'll never "go back to normal," that there is not and will never be a "new normal," that normal was always a monsterous lie, and that order is nothing but the local flavor of chaos. That thinking is actually kinda why I got along here as well as I did. |
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Thank you *very much* for your hard word on [[Simon Mol]]. I am awed by your perseverance. More on [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Simon_Mol Simon Mol's talk page]. |
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I do enjoy non-contentious admin work. Going through new user names and blocking obvious troll or spam accounts before anyone else can even report them is actually fun. |
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[[User:Zezen|Zezen]] ([[User talk:Zezen|talk]]) 15:03, 1 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:I'm not seeing any censorship, I'm seeing editors trying to get the article to actually stick to what the sources say [[WP:NOR|without addition or alteration]]. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 15:04, 1 September 2014 (UTC) |
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I have a bunch of new sources for [[Goetia]] related articles as well as sources for the [[Shams al-Ma'arif]] article. |
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Dear Brother Ian, |
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Thank You For Getting In Touch. It has been several thousands of years |
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that most of humanity has been taught from many traditional sources |
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including Encyclopedias that Messiahs, Maitreyas, and similar World |
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Saver Figures would be male. Indeed, most of the persons on this list |
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this list than females. It is understandable that that one would want to |
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keep the Claimant Page to descriptions of a few phrases, but if you |
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think cumulatively about the millions of words written in so many times |
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and places only recognizing males in these roles while females were made |
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invisible, surely a bit of emphasis is needed for the females |
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undertaking this most daunting and necessary of tasks, especially at |
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this very dangerous moment on this Planet. Your understanding on this |
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can assist You Yourself to be CoMessiah, indeed, the CoMessiah that |
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fulfills the Promise of Wikipedia for not only the Present, but the |
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Future of a Sustained instead of Destroyed Planet. When We on Earth |
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have, for at least a few seasons or year or so, succeeded in giving |
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females their overdue & now world saving half of notice and credit, |
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we can then return to less emphasis on this reparation, and enjoy a |
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Saved Egallitarian World. There is a wonderful old 1941 film about a |
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group of men writing an encyclopedia, starring Barbara Stanwyck and Gary |
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Cooper, ''Ball'' of Fire, about the importance of the Eternall Feminine |
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to a Deeper Understanding of Truth, and of course, 1941 was in fact a |
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very unsaved time of World War, and the Barbara Stanwyck character gives |
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evidence to the very limited concept of the female that existed at that |
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Extinction of Humanity in addition to the many other species recently |
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I'm tired of pretending I prioritize [[WP:5P]] over [[WP:NONAZIS]]. I know enough about the site to know that saying that's going to bite me on the ass and that that that's not going to work well with my other plans to return. Going to be thinking about it but I'm certain there's no outcome I'm going to be happy with. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 09:36, 4 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:Hi Ian - I came across your username just now while reading an old thread, and realised I hadn't seen you around in a while. I came here, and read this. All I can say is this: when I was a newb, you were one of the people who inspired me. I saw lots of sensible, level-headed comments and actions from you, and I thought 'Hey, Wikipedia is a little bit of the internet where there are good people running things. Maybe I could get involved here.' Do what's best for you, of course, but I wanted you to know that you made a difference, for me at least. [[User:Girth Summit|<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#006400;">Girth</span> <span style="font-family:Impact;color:#4B0082;">Summit</span>]][[User talk:Girth Summit|<sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub>]] 23:44, 8 December 2022 (UTC) |
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Just a quick thanks for penning the [[WP:YESPROMO]] essay. It's a brilliant piece and I have linked to it many times in my talk page messages! Cheers. --[[User:Drm310|Drm310]] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:Drm310|talk]]) 00:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC) |
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:Wikipedia is not the place to [[WP:RGW|right great wrongs]]. We merely stick to [[WP:RS|reliable academic or journalistic sources]]. In my experience, I find that people contributing to problems like global warming are people who have not learned to stick to "dry" reliable sources. These sources might be written by any gender, they might be summarized by any gender. Instead, most people causing trouble in matters such as global warming start from what they want to believe, trying to get others to believe it using emotional arguments (sometimes invoking the apocalypse), and only bringing in sources (reliable or not) as an afterthought (if at all) to attempt to justify their beliefs. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 14:05, 8 September 2014 (UTC) |
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Please explain to me what is monotheism. Since you say my edit was wrong.{{unsigned|Omegablakk}} |
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:Also, your edits lacked [[WP:RS|academic sources]] and were counter to the sources in the article. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 14:19, 9 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::And what source are you quoting for that. Belief and worship are not the same all monotheist believe in angels but they don't worship them. And also monotheist do not worship one god by way of angels, prophets or any other intermediary.[[User:Omegablakk|Omegablakk]] ([[User talk:Omegablakk|talk]])< |
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In your edit to the Bathin article you stripped the page of all the Kabbalistic attributes, citing 'Removing fringe ideas. I'm aware that sounds silly, but what some guy hallucinated in the 90s is not relevant to an academic discussion of historical beliefs about a mythological being'. |
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You left the source for the Goetia as the Mather/Crowley 1904 edition, so I'm curious if you understood those attributes come from Crowley in Liber 777 (1909). After reviewing the edits I see that the source cited was DuQuette, instead of Crowley. Is your objection to those being in the article because they weren't correctly cited as Crowley, or is your objection to Crowley as a source? |
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:You'll notice I didn't include the Golden Dawn's Kabbalistic attributes either. I left Crowley because the information cited to that is a bit closer to the historical manuscripts. In the absence of empirical evidence, all Wikipedia can discuss is what's in the widest variety of manuscripts and the oldest manuscripts. I plan on removing Crowley at some point and citing Joseph Peterson's critical edition, Skinner and Rankine's edition of [[Thomas Rudd]]'s Goetia, Weyer's [[Pseudomonarchia Daemonum]], [[Liber Officium Spirituum]] and [[Livre des Esperitz]]; similar to my overhaul of the current [[Lesser Key of Solomon]] article and work in those other articles. |
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:I will eventually cite modern sources where they mention something unique (but with proper attribution, instead of describing DuQuette's views as universal), and may get around to including tables of what attributes are ascribed by different magicians, but to include only one magician's views appears [[WP:UNDUE]] (if not [[WP:FRINGE]]). [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 12:02, 19 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:Absolutely right. No scientific theory is provable. That's how science works. There is always the possibility of new evidence. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 21:06, 22 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::And scientific theory is not the same as Webster's definition. Scientific theory is an explanation that has been rigorously tested and not yet falsified. It's not just an idea--it's an idea that has stood up to new evidence. [[User:Aristophanes68|<font color="magenta">'''Aristophanes'''</font><font color="teal">'''68'''</font>]] [[User talk:Aristophanes68|<font color="teal">''(talk)''</font>]] 21:08, 23 September 2014 (UTC) |
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No it doesn't. Many have also said there was evidence the CIA killed JFK and then sent Jack Ruby to kill Oswald. Sometimes, even the majority polled doesn't want to accept the truth.[[User:JoetheMoe25|JoetheMoe25]] ([[User talk:JoetheMoe25|talk]]) 21:15, 22 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::I need to grab dinner, which may be up to an hour, so if there's any further business, I invite my talk page stalkers to make the sort bad decisions I would. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 21:25, 22 September 2014 (UTC) |
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Hey, nice work re-writing [[Reuben Swinburne Clymer]]. It was linked to the [[Ludovico Maria Sinistrari|Sinistrari]] article I created a few years ago so I got a ping. Keep up the great work! '''[[User:Stalwart111|<span style="color:#00308F">St<span style="color:#ED1C24">★</span>lwart</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Stalwart111|<span style="color:#32CD32">1</span><span style="color:#228B22">1</span><span style="color:#006600">1</span>]]</sup>''' 01:39, 25 September 2014 (UTC) |
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Looks like he attributed that, so not plagiarism but obviously [[WP:UNDUE]], looks like no one actually paid much attention to it. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 07:58, 25 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:He cited the source, but made no indication the quoted material was such. American school systems would still treat it as plagiarism (can't speak for international since it didn't come up in [[TEFL]] training). Still, the bit about Raum purportedly being a familiar of Napoleon I doesn't appear in the [[Dictionnaire Infernal]] or [[Pseudomonarchia Daemonum]] (where I assume [[Moncure D. Conway|Conway]] got the rest of the info on Raum), and so may be worthwhile for inclusion as a claim in a primary source (if handled properly). [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 14:42, 25 September 2014 (UTC) |
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Hello, there is a discussion about neutral point on view of the RFK Jr talk page and I am wondering what your say on it is. [[User:Logawinner|Logawinner]] ([[User talk:Logawinner|talk]]) 20:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC) |
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IMHO the most helpful work for that article would be Richard Carrier's ''On The Historicity of Jesus'' ; it is in his own words "the first comprehensive pro-Jesus myth book ever published by a respected academic press and under formal peer review". The first three chapters go over why there have been so many problems with the whole historical vs mythical Jesus debate with the main one being that there are effectively ''two'' historical Jesus theories involved: the Reductive theory: "Jesus was an ordinary but obscure individual who inspired a religious movement and copious legends about him" and the Triumphalist theory: "The Gospels are totally or almost totally true". |
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:What made you seek out this particular editor, who has made only 1 edit in nearly 2 years? [[User:Zaathras|Zaathras]] ([[User talk:Zaathras|talk]]) 20:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC) |
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"Either side of the historicity debate will at times engage in a fallacy here, citing evidence supporting the reductive theory in defense of the triumphalist theory (as if that was valid), or citing the absurdity of the triumphalist theory as if this refuted the reductive theory (as if ''that'' were valid)" (sic) (Carrier, Richard (2014) On the Historicity of Jesus Sheffield Phoenix Press ISBN 978-1-909697-49-2 pg 30) --[[User:BruceGrubb|BruceGrubb]] ([[User talk:BruceGrubb|talk]]) 17:42, 27 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::They were the editor that got onto be when I was making biased edits on religious articles when I was younger. I figured someone being on the other side of my troublemaking could make a much more informed decision than me that would be more unbiased. They are the one that taught me about NPOV. [[User:Logawinner|Logawinner]] ([[User talk:Logawinner|talk]]) 03:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:Thanks, that is a good find. I'll also throw into [[Talk:Historicity of Jesus/sources]] if/when I get back to doing stuff in articles relating to CMT and Historicity. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 21:24, 27 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:See section title. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 20:36, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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Please read my comment on DaltonHird's talk page <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.194.125.162|72.194.125.162]] ([[User talk:72.194.125.162|talk]]) 03:18, 2 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Read [[WP:NOTCENSORED]]. You're violating [[WP:NPOV]] by censoring well-sourced significant views. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 03:20, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |
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I respectfully disagree - by your reasoning only negative views could be cited and that would be neutral. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.194.125.162|72.194.125.162]] ([[User talk:72.194.125.162|talk]]) 03:28, 2 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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I would like this dispute to be arbitrated. NPOV does not mean anything sourced may be included in an article. Edits must be cited "fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible, without bias". The reverted edits do not meet that standard by any measure. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.194.125.162|72.194.125.162]] ([[User talk:72.194.125.162|talk]]) 03:35, 2 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Uh, no, by my reasoning, only [[WP:RS|reliably sourced]] material would be included (and guess what, those news sources qualify as "reliable sources" by Wikipedia's standards!). [[WP:GEVAL|A neutral point of view does not always mean giving equal weight to opposing sides]], it means summarizing all available reliable sources. If reliable sources are documenting bad things happening in that school, we're not going to censor it. And again, you are violating [[WP:NOTCENSORED]], which is just as much a policy as [[WP:NPOV]]. Clearly, you have a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] here and should not be involved in the article. |
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:As for arbitration, I'm a previously uninvolved editor who [[WP:DGAF|has no bias regarding the school]]. You don't want arbitration, you want to be told you're right when you're not. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 03:43, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |
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You are mistaken. Please read the NPOV policy and respond on the merits to my concerns DaltonHird's defamatory sentence represents fair, proportionate and unbiased coverage of this distinguished school. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.194.125.162|72.194.125.162]] ([[User talk:72.194.125.162|talk]]) 04:38, 2 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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And, by the way, "Don't give a fuckism" is not cool. It's idiotic. |
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:[[WP:NOTCENSORED]] - [[WP:IDHT|Your refusal to get that does not make you right, it makes you tendentious]]. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 04:57, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |
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Is that your response on the merits? Calling me "tendentious? Impressive analysis! |
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:I have addressed the "merits" of your argument repeatedly. You aren't listening. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 05:06, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |
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I have not only read NPOV, I quoted it. Did you? In any event, this article already has an extensive Controversies section. Are you suggesting it is irrelevant now that "controversies" are in the introductory paragraph? If you do a simple Google search on CdM you will see it is a nationally-recognized academic institution. Is it Wikipedia policy for editors to search for negative articles on all such institutions and quote them in the first paragraph? Hardly. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.194.125.162|72.194.125.162]] ([[User talk:72.194.125.162|talk]]) 05:16, 2 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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To-do: red plastic gas cans
These things are ubiquitous in the US (or at least any part I've been to) but we don't have an article on them. Like, I've only ever seen three consistent models (each different sizes of the same basic pattern) and looking online, it looks like those are the only three models that have been allowed since the gas crisis in the '70s.[original research?]
I've got a lot of other things on my plate, but I think these might be sufficient sources for someone (me, anyone else, whoever) to write up an article on them:
- News article
- News article
- News article
- News article
- News article
- Gov't regulation document
- Gov't regulation document
- Gov't regulation document
- "Non-Profit" run by the companies that make these things (haven't actually read through and found specific pages yet)
The last source definitely doesn't establish WP:NOTE and I'd normally be wary of anyone insisting that it be used. Still, I think they also discuss regulatory info and maybe manufacturing history. Given the news sources (all of which are "oh shit, these things are exploding again" and "please stop doing things to make them explode"), I think it's safe to say that its inclusion probably won't amount to promotion.
I'm not sure that this would accomplish much more than a stub, at least with my usual "summarize, paraphrase, combine overlapping statements" approach. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:21, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
- I saw this up in your table of contents. Those damned things are a colossal nuisance , I finally found a brand that allows better control of flow and doesn't end up slopping gas all over the lawnmower, generator, or tiller. The mesh screen appears nowadays to be broadly used. They also come in yellow for diesel and blue for kerosene. Acroterion (talk) 01:19, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
- I am remembering my dad using blue barrels made of the same material for kerosene back when we had a space heater but yeah, I do see the same design in blue and yellow. (I think he got them on sale, I'm not sure I've seen them in stores ever again, and boy hell were they trouble to get rid of). Guess I need to look for sources on the diesel and kerosene ones and figure out what the industry name is for this family of cans. They're not Jerrycans (which is where gas can currently redirects): they're broader, have a handle on the back, and the stamping on the sides is just embossed warning text (not a structural feature). (I'm sure you know but other talk page watchers who haven't opened the links might be wondering why I want to reinvent the Jerrycan).
- There's another gas can design that I'm seeing, "Safety gas cans," which I suppose needs to be written about as well. Basically squat half-capsule mini-barrels with a handle and spout on the flatly rounded top. They're why I haven't just made "gas can" about the red plastic ones, since we really need "gas can" to be a disambig between the standard plastic, the Jerrycan, and the safety gas cans. Thanks for helping me realize that. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:38, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
- I'm accumulating a museum of gas cans. I got two of the safety cans after squirrels started eating the plastic ones. After that generation of squirrels died they seem to have stopped munching plastic and confine themselves to the house, so now I have some plastic ones that are easier to handle, and a yellow one in case we run out of heating oil - I can get off-road diesel and use that in a pinch. I think fuel container is a safe generic term. Acroterion (talk) 01:49, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
- I guess maybe a redirect to Bin bag would suffice? Ian.thomson (talk) 23:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
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I should have announced this sooner but it just kinda crept up on me. Between various issues (less prep time at work, trying to affordably diet and exercise better), I've just not had enough energy when I'm home beyond what I need to get ready for the next work day or upcoming week.
I've bought some sources to expand articles on Goetic demons, though. I may work some on that without fully coming off of the Wikibreak. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Ian - we haven't interacted much, so sorry for coming out of the blue, but I wanted to tell you that when I was in my 'I have an account, but I mostly just read stuff without commenting' stage, your contributions were a real inspiration for me to actually get involved. You were one of the most active editors on some of the pages I was interested in, and I saw your name come up time and again attached to sensible, rational comments. So, yeah - I'm a fan.
- Anyone deserves and can self-award a break whenever they want to; I'd suggest that you have definitely earned one if you feel like it, and should take as long as you need/want. If you want to do some article-writing without engaging with admin stuff (or anything else) you're still doing good work - thank you! Girth Summit (blether) 23:21, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- I am going to pile on here as another "out of the blue" editor. I don't think we have ever interacted directly at all but you have certainly provided value to me as an editor (and no doubt to Wikipedia as a whole) and that does not go away because you have other things to focus on whether that shift in focus is temporary or permanent. Now go get some exercise! :) S0091 (talk) 21:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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Every two weeks, when my email login expires and I have to log back in, I get the notification that "I" have too many failed logins and need to reset my password. Even after almost a year of inactivity, this is still the case. To the asshole(s) doing that, you could have made bank on crypto by now, and I'm saying that as someone who thinks all cryptocurrency is a scam.
Thanks to Wikipedia, I got to see alt-right talking points identified as such well before they became a part of mainstream conversation. Offline individuals who I trusted and respected started hinting at these talking points more and more. Pretty much every attempt to show them the source and goal of those ideas only stalled things at best. When politicians aren't stirring up the alt-right, they're defending those who stir them up, or defending those who defend the pandering, or saying we need to cooperate with those who are ultimately defending the alt-right. And the number of users I've seen hounded for saying "we shouldn't allow Nazis on the site because it's antithetical to this site's goals" is dismaying. Shame on the shriveled, minuscule, impotent souls whose petty grudges push them to defend fascism just to score points against someone. And if you're upset at my characterization of you as such, you're the one who put the shoe on, Cinderella.
On top of that, over the past decade, I've spent half of it on the other side of the world from my hometown. Though this has just slowed the rate at which I was growing tired, it hasn't stopped it.
I'm fucking sick of it all. I'd say "Nazis can all go to hell" but that's like telling shit to stink. Wait, no, at least shit has enough sense that it doesn't need to be told to do that.
I do want to come back. I'm aware that we'll never "go back to normal," that there is not and will never be a "new normal," that normal was always a monsterous lie, and that order is nothing but the local flavor of chaos. That thinking is actually kinda why I got along here as well as I did.
I do enjoy non-contentious admin work. Going through new user names and blocking obvious troll or spam accounts before anyone else can even report them is actually fun.
I have a bunch of new sources for Goetia related articles as well as sources for the Shams al-Ma'arif article.
I'm tired of pretending I prioritize WP:5P over WP:NONAZIS. I know enough about the site to know that saying that's going to bite me on the ass and that that that's not going to work well with my other plans to return. Going to be thinking about it but I'm certain there's no outcome I'm going to be happy with. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:36, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Ian - I came across your username just now while reading an old thread, and realised I hadn't seen you around in a while. I came here, and read this. All I can say is this: when I was a newb, you were one of the people who inspired me. I saw lots of sensible, level-headed comments and actions from you, and I thought 'Hey, Wikipedia is a little bit of the internet where there are good people running things. Maybe I could get involved here.' Do what's best for you, of course, but I wanted you to know that you made a difference, for me at least. Girth Summit (blether) 23:44, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
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