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:::I'm accumulating a museum of gas cans. I got two of the safety cans after squirrels started eating the plastic ones. After that generation of squirrels died they seem to have stopped munching plastic and confine themselves to the house, so now I have some plastic ones that are easier to handle, and a yellow one in case we run out of heating oil - I can get off-road diesel and use that in a pinch. I think [[fuel container]] is a safe generic term. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color: black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color: gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 01:49, 30 December 2018 (UTC) |
:::I'm accumulating a museum of gas cans. I got two of the safety cans after squirrels started eating the plastic ones. After that generation of squirrels died they seem to have stopped munching plastic and confine themselves to the house, so now I have some plastic ones that are easier to handle, and a yellow one in case we run out of heating oil - I can get off-road diesel and use that in a pinch. I think [[fuel container]] is a safe generic term. '''<span style="font-family: Arial;">[[User:Acroterion|<span style="color: black;">Acroterion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<span style="color: gray;">(talk)</span>]]</small></span>''' 01:49, 30 December 2018 (UTC) |
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*I guess maybe a redirect to [[Bin bag]] would suffice? [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 23:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC) |
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I should have announced this sooner but it just kinda crept up on me. Between various issues (less prep time at work, trying to affordably diet and exercise better), I've just not had enough energy when I'm home beyond what I need to get ready for the next work day or upcoming week. |
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I've bought some sources to expand articles on Goetic demons, though. I may work some on that without fully coming off of the Wikibreak. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 23:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:Hi Ian - we haven't interacted much, so sorry for coming out of the blue, but I wanted to tell you that when I was in my 'I have an account, but I mostly just read stuff without commenting' stage, your contributions were a real inspiration for me to actually get involved. You were one of the most active editors on some of the pages I was interested in, and I saw your name come up time and again attached to sensible, rational comments. So, yeah - I'm a fan. |
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:Anyone deserves and can self-award a break whenever they want to; I'd suggest that you have definitely earned one if you feel like it, and should take as long as you need/want. If you want to do some article-writing without engaging with admin stuff (or anything else) you're still doing good work - thank you! [[User:Girth Summit|<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#006400;">Girth</span> <span style="font-family:Impact;color:#4B0082;">Summit</span>]][[User talk:Girth Summit|<sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub>]] 23:21, 13 August 2021 (UTC) |
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::I am going to pile on here as another "out of the blue" editor. I don't think we have ever interacted directly at all but you have certainly provided value to me as an editor (and no doubt to Wikipedia as a whole) and that does not go away because you have other things to focus on whether that shift in focus is temporary or permanent. Now go get some exercise! :) [[User:S0091|S0091]] ([[User talk:S0091|talk]]) 21:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC) |
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Thanks for the quick prompt message on my questions I forgot to ask would actual credits from movies would be a reliable source aswell? [[User:ZTR2001|ZTR2001]] ([[User talk:ZTR2001|talk]]) 10:29, 7 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|ZTR2001}} That's one of the few instances where [[WP:PRIMARY|we're OK with primary sources]], though movie credits are a bit harder to [[WP:V|verify]] than online sources. In short, yes and it's not wrong but it's not ideal. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 10:08, 8 July 2020 (UTC) |
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I am not ranting or trolling, and I do not believe "attraction to the same sex is anywhere near a threat to America as Covid-19...", in fact this conversation has nothing to do with threats about America. |
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I am simply pointing out that it is not neutral for an encyclopaedia to have a program called "Wiki loves Pride" as loving pride is a moral and political stance. |
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Therefore I must object to the removal of the conversation as I see it is a hushing up of a valid dispute, which has arisen many times but has not been addressed properly by the likes such as people on the page. |
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:{{tps|br}} {{replyto|Ray2556}} [[Criticism_of_Wikipedia#Partisanship|Wikipedia is a left-wing website]] because the over-educated, under-employed volunteer editors skew left. The few right-wingers left years ago for [[Conservapedia]]. <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">talk</span>]])</span> 14:19, 9 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Ray2556}} As you can see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Wiki_Loves_Pride&diff=prev&oldid=966737660 here], I removed a post by {{u|Somua35}} that described human rights for LGBT individuals as "one of the greatest threats that the society considers today. Many have and are willing to pay the ultimate sacrifice to defend the rights of Americans to resist it" -- In other words, my assessment was accurate. Somua35 did not contest my description of his post. ''As you have quoted, I said "even though this is hatted, I'm removing..." What did I remove? Your post? Show us with a [[WP:DIFF]] where I touched or spoke about your post. '''Unless Somua35 is a sockpuppet account of yours, then my action was about someone else's post.''''' This conversation suggests you have a problem of ignoring facts when they get in the way of your anger, an attitude that's pretty useless when contributing to an cooperative project (especially an encyclopedia). If this is generally not the case for you, then you need to find a topic where you think clearly. |
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:LGBT people are a persecuted minority. Their orientations are not a simple choice but a result of genetics and neurological hard wiring (with any nurture elements being early enough in life that you can't really change it now). As a Christian, I believe we should love people -- especially downtrodden -- instead of spreading false witness to deny their humanity and right to live. It's not like loving someone for choosing to be a Nazi or choosing to be a domestic abuser. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 22:03, 9 July 2020 (UTC) |
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Your edit summary on [[George Floyd protests]] "Undid revision by Dtatsu - the same problem exists with this edit as the other -- you are pushing a term normally favored by white supremacists to downplay the legitimacy of protests by African-Americans. If that is not your goal, you need to discuss the matter instead of silently edit warring." was overly belligerent. The term "riots" was used multiple times throughout the article due to proper RSs. I personally disagree with Dtatsu's edits but lets please refrain from hurling insults as it discourages proper editing from new editors. [[User:Anon0098|Anon0098]] ([[User talk:Anon0098|talk]]) 19:14, 10 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:Your edits on this subject are fine, Ian. {{U|Anon0098}}, you are 100% wrong. That isn't bitey in the slightest, and it is you that needs to dial it back. Youve been here a couple months. You have neither the knowledge or experience to be instructing an administrator, with thousands of edit and many years experience in matters of Wikipedia policy, behavior or etiquette. I'm reasonably sure Ian will file this appropriately - in the cylindrical file that sits on the floor, exactly where it belongs. Is you gonna be all butt-hurt now? [[User:John from Idegon|John from Idegon]] ([[User talk:John from Idegon|talk]]) 03:52, 11 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::thank you for white knighting, I don’t frankly care how much prestige you boast on here, I am simply suggesting that we should refrain from accusing people of using white supremacist vernacular without justification. I even said I agreed with the edit just not the accusation [[User:Anon0098|Anon0098]] ([[User talk:Anon0098|talk]]) 04:24, 11 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::[https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Whiteknighting Funny, I've generally don't see the phrase "white knighting" used outside of certain circles]. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 04:37, 11 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::::And if we're going to pretend that it's not part of a vocabulary for particular groups, you're as guilty of white knighting for Dtatsu and not really in a position to point out anyone else doing that. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 04:40, 11 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::::One is a rebuke and one is defending a person in a situation you have zero original reference to — the latter is laughable. I got my point across regardless. Not going to argue with someone I have never even seen before, so Peace, [[User:Anon0098|Anon0098]] ([[User talk:Anon0098|talk]]) 05:23, 11 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::Oh, so things you do are OK when when you do them but not when someone else does them to you, and you don't want the opinion of a third party to prompt you to consider that you might be wrong, got it. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 05:31, 11 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::{{ec}}I'm in the middle here. While biting newcomers is not generally good, certain topics do attract users who are [[WP:NOTHERE|not here to help]] (and they aren't upfront about it) and [[WP:NONAZIS|some who, while theoretically having the right to their beliefs, do not need be given the means to voice them and should be shouted down whenever they whimper]]. My actions are not perfect, they are moving towards a line -- but still not crossing it. While that line should not be crossed, and [[WP:TEND|it's disruptive to make a show of running up to the line but stopping]] [[WP:IAR|''for purposes other than helping the site'']], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAbab8aP4_A staying as far away from the line as possible is less than useless]. |
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::I try to make sure to include lines like "If this is not your goal" to show the assumption of good faith that that wasn't their intention, or even give them a way to gracefully back down if it was. Instead, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Urban_riots&oldid=prev&diff=967099352 we have sockpuppetry]. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 04:37, 11 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::And I appreciate the sentiment but I figured I would point out that line, since I don't want it moving if you catch my drift — the rest of the article is fine. Thanks, [[User:Anon0098|Anon0098]] ([[User talk:Anon0098|talk]]) 05:23, 11 July 2020 (UTC) |
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Thanks very much for the fast cleanup on [[:Mottingham]]. Now that I look, I see Diannaa rev-deleted material from the same source immediately before that, so I could have saved myself the search on "capacious" or whatever it was that triggered my suspicions. I had originally planned to figure out how to ask for the history to be cleaned, but the rewrite turned into a multi-hour marathon ending after 1 am my time, and I was even too zonked to notice I'd messed up the Commons cat template. [[User:Yngvadottir|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir|talk]]) 21:35, 11 July 2020 (UTC) |
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Recently you immediately blocked user CorrectingBias after he made one and only one article edit. That edit was quickly reverted by one of the editors who patrol that article, and had the user you blocked continued with similar edits he might very well have ended up blocked anyway. I don't think there was any real chance of edits like the one that caused you to block him making their way into the article for more than a few minutes or hours at a time, as it is read and patrolled by many people. The editor who reverted, for example, is a highly active SPA for purposes of all articles on race and ethnicity-related controversies, which she monitors and in some cases takes control over. |
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My question, though, is whether a single edit that happens to offend a roving admin is in and of itself grounds for instant unilateral blocking. You cited NOTHERE and CIR, but [[WP:CIR]] lists blocking as a "last resort". The user in question asked a question on Doug Weller's talk page, which you apparently follow, at which point you immediately hammered him down. [[User:Sesquivalent|Sesquivalent]] ([[User talk:Sesquivalent|talk]]) 18:21, 24 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{tpw|safe=yes}} a brand-new account that names itself "CorrectingBias" which immediately edits an article about a work widely recognized as antisemitic and written by a noted white supremacist and conspiracy theorist, replacing those statements with fluffy language about the point of view being "alleged" by unspecified sources, is not here to contribute to the encyclopedia; see [[WP:PROFRINGE]]. Whether that's an immediate block or a warn-and-wait situation is up to admin discretion. However, you might notice in the article history there is an anonymous editor ({{IPlinks|12.154.111.67}}) making specifically the same sort of edits to that part of the article, and also railing about the intro's "bias" on the article's talk page. That IP was blocked on 6 July, and CorrectingBias arrived 11 days later to make the same edits. Either they're the same person or they're responding to a request somewhere to "correct" the article, a very common approach by [[WP:CIVILPOV|civil POV pushers]] and [[WP:BRIGADE|brigaders]]. So, yeah, this was a good block. [[User:Ivanvector|Ivanvector]] (<sup>[[User talk:Ivanvector|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ivanvector|Edits]]</sub>) 18:35, 24 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:: I did not notice the IP edits, and I don't share the assumption that the edits are probably correlated, but if that was part of the reason for the block it does make more sense. |
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:: I recently made some edits to that article and have followed the edit history and talk page, and that of some similar articles such as [[Ron Unz]]. One reason that there are a lot of "sympathizers" showing up with FRINGE or NAZI edits on the articles is that some of these articles are ridiculously slanted, as though Wikipedia's role is to be a didactic good-or-bad classification service. The articles on MacDonald, Unz and others have been a free for all of edits painting them with stuff outside of their actual views and activities, and this is a problem regardless of the unsavoriness of those views. [[User:Sesquivalent|Sesquivalent]] ([[User talk:Sesquivalent|talk]]) 20:19, 24 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Saying that a noted white supremacist and conspiracy theorist is going to provide insight into Jewish culture is reason enough for someone to not be editing. |
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:::Nazi editors would be showing up to articles on their favorite topics to complain until we look like [[Metapedia]]. They're not just gonna stop at [[WP:GEVAL]]. [[WP:FRINGE|We only cover fringe claims to point out what mainstream sources say about them: that they're wrong]]. [[WP:LUNATIC|We don't owe them anything more than that]]. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 21:47, 24 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Well said. Thanks for taking decisive action. Well done. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 21:56, 24 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::::: The complaint about "insight" mischaracterizes that part of the edit and then dramatizes the mischaracterization to justify a block. With that said, I was not asking for reasons or justification for the block or a debate about whether the blocked account is a Nazi, but about policy on instant blocks of brand new users based on single edits. [[User:Sesquivalent|Sesquivalent]] ([[User talk:Sesquivalent|talk]]) 08:55, 25 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::That response like telling an admin who blocked a vandalism-only account after only three edits "I was not asking for reasons or justification for the block or debate about whether the blocked account is a vandal, but about policy on instant blocks of brand new users based on single edits." [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 14:49, 25 July 2020 (UTC) |
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*Also, double checking the article history and then [[Special:Contributions/Generalrelative]], {{ping|Sesquivalent}} calling {{u|Generalrelative}} an [[WP:SPA]] is dishonest to the point of being a personal attack. Between that and your accusations of someone else being [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Central_Park_jogger_case&diff=969291418&oldid=968825425 a "notorious anti-Trump editor"] ''for merely pointing out that John McCain was a Republican'' (even if were Trump would like to think otherwise), I'm wondering how long until AP2 DS gets thrown at you. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=962822348 This] prompted me to [[Special:Contributions/73.149.246.232|here]], finding that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=952803061 no matter how many people are involved], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=952186370 including third-parties, anyone who disagrees with you couldn't possibly have any reason besides POV-pushing]! There's also [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=951975619 you accusing the SPLC of slander for not sticking to a naive reading of an author you like] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=951967921 saying Stephen Jay Gould "was a purveyor of a considerable amount of demented nonsense under an academic veneer" because of his opposition to racialist views]. Then there's [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_States&diff=prev&oldid=949595386 this post] where you accuse [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_States&oldid=949590174#Background_and_preparations a section directly summarizing current pieces from the Associated Press, NPR, WaPo, The Atlantic, Politico, and many more] as being a "SYNTH POV" "selectively anti-Trump screed." One must never question fearless leader, eh? Others have pointed out the beam in your eye when you try to make a mountain out of the speck in others, and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tulsa_race_massacre&diff=prev&oldid=940718498 you completely miss it]. Honestly, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Race_and_intelligence&diff=prev&oldid=957729059 your prior history] leaves you with less than no room to accuse anyone of being an SPA or POV-pusher with regards to race or politics. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 23:17, 24 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:: I don't think this story ends in quite the way that you imagine. |
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== New administrator activity requirement == |
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:: The link salad you just posted rather badly (and obviously) misrepresents 10 out of 10 cited comments of mine in order to imply racism, Trump worship, dishonesty and other nefarious sins. Both the sheer number and the individual extent of the misrepresentations, were we to go through them item by item, make the totality hard to describe in anything but the most uncharitable terms. I'm happy to go the [[fisking]] route and will probably even have the time to do it in the next day or two. If that's what you want just say so, or (equivalently) do nothing and keep the salad as-is. But you might save time for me and face for yourself by making some corrections instead. [[User:Sesquivalent|Sesquivalent]] ([[User talk:Sesquivalent|talk]]) 10:19, 25 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Multiple users have told you the block was good and why. If you want to go for arbitration, be prepared for a boomerang. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 14:49, 25 July 2020 (UTC) |
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==Pizzagate== |
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I would just say it is alleged as it has neither been proven or disproven thus far.[[User:Degen Earthfast|Degen Earthfast]] ([[User talk:Degen Earthfast|talk]]) 22:45, 25 July 2020 (UTC) |
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== Trying to come back == |
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Your saying "false accustions" is a violation of POV without proof.[[User:Degen Earthfast|Degen Earthfast]] ([[User talk:Degen Earthfast|talk]]) 12:16, 26 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Degen Earthfast}} So allegations without proof are true? |
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:So if I don't have proof that you rape babies in the name of Satan, then it's just alleged and not "false"? |
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:Do you not see the utter stupidity in that? [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 21:09, 26 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::I'm not actually saying you rape babies in the name of Satan, just pointing out how ridiculous your argument is. Pizzagate and QAnon argue that children were being kept in a non-existent basement. QAnon has gone ahead to make further predictions that have repeatedly failed, as documented in the article. If you can't understand that, [[WP:CIR|you lack the connection to reality to be editing]]. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 21:12, 26 July 2020 (UTC) |
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Every two weeks, when my email login expires and I have to log back in, I get the notification that "I" have too many failed logins and need to reset my password. Even after almost a year of inactivity, this is still the case. To the asshole(s) doing that, you could have made bank on crypto by now, and I'm saying that as someone who thinks all cryptocurrency is a scam. |
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Aain you want to use your argument against me, Wiki:POV is quite clear, it's only an allegation until it's proven or disproven.[[User:Degen Earthfast|Degen Earthfast]] ([[User talk:Degen Earthfast|talk]]) 23:41, 26 July 2020 (UTC) |
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: Probably you should actually read what [[WP:NPOV]] says, particularly the section [[WP:WEIGHT]]. --[[User:Joel B. Lewis|JBL]] ([[User_talk:Joel_B._Lewis|talk]]) 01:11, 27 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|Degen Earthfast}} Following what JBL says, what part of NPOV actually says that? [[WP:GEVAL]] would indicate that that's not true. Unless we're gonna say that we have no proof that you don't rape babies for Satan. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 09:11, 27 July 2020 (UTC) |
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Thanks to Wikipedia, I got to see alt-right talking points identified as such well before they became a part of mainstream conversation. Offline individuals who I trusted and respected started hinting at these talking points more and more. Pretty much every attempt to show them the source and goal of those ideas only stalled things at best. When politicians aren't stirring up the alt-right, they're defending those who stir them up, or defending those who defend the pandering, or saying we need to cooperate with those who are ultimately defending the alt-right. And the number of users I've seen hounded for saying [[WP:NONAZIS|"we shouldn't allow Nazis on the site because it's antithetical to this site's goals"]] is dismaying. Shame on the shriveled, minuscule, impotent souls whose petty grudges push them to defend fascism just to score points against someone. And if you're upset at my characterization of you as such, you're the one who put the shoe on, Cinderella. |
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== 2600:100E:B017:BF0:D89D:98A1:E4FE:260 == |
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On top of that, over the past decade, I've spent half of it on the other side of the world from my hometown. Though this has just slowed the rate at which I was growing tired, it hasn't stopped it. |
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Could you please block [[user:2600:100E:B017:BF0:D89D:98A1:E4FE:260]] asap. [[User:CLCStudent|CLCStudent]] ([[User talk:CLCStudent|talk]]) 23:43, 28 July 2020 (UTC) |
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I'm fucking sick of it all. I'd say "Nazis can all go to hell" but that's like telling shit to stink. Wait, no, at least shit has enough sense that it doesn't need to be told to do that. |
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== An instance racial harassment / attack == |
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I do want to come back. I'm aware that we'll never "go back to normal," that there is not and will never be a "new normal," that normal was always a monsterous lie, and that order is nothing but the local flavor of chaos. That thinking is actually kinda why I got along here as well as I did. |
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Hi and thanks for pinging me into the recent discussion "unilateral insta-block". I didn't have much to add there but I appreciated being informed of the conversation. You seem quite knowledgeable about dealing with racial provocations here on WP so I thought I'd ask you whether this [[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AGondrand_massacre&type=revision&diff=970037222&oldid=969395602]] may be grounds for blocking the IP range. I'd engaged with them in the past on that talk page, then they went away for a while, and now they've returned with a vengeance, making clear how sure they are that I'm {{tq|a black wikipedian, of course}} (much as the user in the previous discussion, to my amusement, was quite sure that I'm a woman; for the record I've given no indication as to my race or gender). Any advice you might have to offer, or actions you'd care to take as an admin would be appreciated. I would be happy to take this to a noticeboard, but I'm not seeing one devoted to this type of harassment / attack, and I'm still a relatively inexperienced user so I'm unsure of the correct protocol. Thanks again. [[User:Generalrelative|Generalrelative]] ([[User talk:Generalrelative|talk]]) 01:46, 29 July 2020 (UTC) |
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I do enjoy non-contentious admin work. Going through new user names and blocking obvious troll or spam accounts before anyone else can even report them is actually fun. |
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:Just FYI the issue has been resolved: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#An_instance_of_racial_harassment_/_attack?]] [[User:Generalrelative|Generalrelative]] ([[User talk:Generalrelative|talk]]) 21:54, 29 July 2020 (UTC) |
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I have a bunch of new sources for [[Goetia]] related articles as well as sources for the [[Shams al-Ma'arif]] article. |
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== Weboflight == |
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Could very well be time to send them to [[WP:ARE]] for an indef for being a pro Scientology SPA. What do you think? I collected this from their past edit history (on top of this most recent edits to Scientology and its Talk, which are the most blatant BY FAR): |
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#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scientology&diff=970186857&oldid=966461001 July 29 2020] Most blatant demonstration of pro-Scientology agenda - moving the entire negative section of the [[Scientology]] lede out of the lede |
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#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Church_of_Scientology&diff=prev&oldid=964635140 June 26 2020] - This linked article says {{tq|The organization promotes[2] Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard's writings on human rights and the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights}} but Weboflight edited it to only mention the latter, and not that it is primarily promotional of L. Ron Hubbard. |
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#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scientology&diff=960413356&oldid=960412762 June 2 2020] - Weakens criticism by stating that the documents were church-protected, when the cited source says nothing of the sort |
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#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scientology&diff=960414423&oldid=960413356 June 2 2020] - Weakens criticism by adding unneeded qualifiers to descriptions of Scientology from a RS that pulls together other criticisms |
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#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=L._Ron_Hubbard&diff=prev&oldid=921627691 Oct 2019] - Adds CN to a negative statement about Scientology that is expanded upon and well supported in the immediate next paragraph |
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#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scientology&diff=prev&oldid=921629700 Oct 2019] - Lowercasing the bad Scientology jargon nouns to make them seem like normal words and not official terms |
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#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scientology&diff=prev&oldid=927211585 Nov 2019] - Uppercasing the good Scientology jargon nouns to make them seem official |
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#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=L._Ron_Hubbard&diff=prev&oldid=928269100 Nov 2019] - Removal of implied skepticism of L Ron Hubbard, despite the actual paragraph being full of "allegedly" |
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#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scientology&diff=prev&oldid=945908950 Mar 2020] - Adding CN to a negative statement about Scientology that is well supported elsewhere in the article, makes the statement appear unsupported |
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#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Church_of_Scientology&diff=prev&oldid=945912077 Mar 2020] - Scientology's association with drug rehab |
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#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Church_of_Scientology&diff=prev&oldid=945912299 Mar 2020] - Ah yes, there aren't controversies in general, just a few that this film touched on |
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#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scientology_beliefs_and_practices&action=history] - (see various diffs around March 19) - muddies the waters regarding thetans, makes the idea seem more reasonable |
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#[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Church_of_Scientology&diff=prev&oldid=971005688 August 3 2020] - Weasely reduction of what the Church does, down to something unobjectionable |
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Also as you might have noticed from their talk page, they were blocked in March on suspicion of this. Guess it was proven true lol [[User:Leijurv|Leijurv]] ([[User talk:Leijurv|talk]]) 03:31, 8 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Leijurv}} I've been wanting to finish [[List of Sufi saints]] before I do anything like that but looks like you've done the legwork already. Thanks and good luck! [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 03:43, 8 August 2020 (UTC) |
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::Alright. I've never done it before, do you think this is enough to go to [[WP:ARE]] with...? :) [[User:Leijurv|Leijurv]] ([[User talk:Leijurv|talk]]) 04:37, 8 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:::{{ping|Leijurv}} Looking over them a little more, I think you might be overplaying your hand on some of these. In general, if you want to prove that someone is POV-pushing, collect diffs as if their userpage advocated the opposite POV (so in this case, pretend their user page says "I hate Scientology, hail Xenu and Operation Clambake"). Weak evidence is how he got off last time. More specifically: |
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:::Edits like 1, 5, and 9 are the sort you should be looking for, they would be primary evidence of POV-pushing that you'd lead with. Three diffs really isn't enough to launch a case with, though (if they were that bad, I'd get away with [[WP:NOTHERE]]ing them). A large group of themed edits like 2 through 4 could help a case but you should not lead in with them. They're best as secondary evidence that you'd post after your initial filing because they don't establish POV-pushing by themselves but (once POV-pushing is established) they demonstrate that the user can't be trusted with something like 0RR or even sticking to [[WP:ER|edit requests]] -- they will subtly POV-push unless topic banned. |
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:::The rest don't really help. 6 is questionable because jargon isn't necessarily capitalized. 7 misses that non-personal proper nouns and titles for concepts are capitalized{{sup|(c.f. [[Immaculate Conception]], [[Ancillaries of the Faith]], [[Great Renunciation]])}}. 8 misses that [[MOS:ALLEGED|we avoid scare quotes]]. 10, 11, and 12 actually stand a chance of tanking a case. You'd pretty much need them to confess that those were the exact reasons they made those edits and without that, you're opening the door to an argument about [[WP:AGF]] that's going to distract people and make them ignore your points. 13 is... similarly problematic. If it was any other religious organization, I'd say "teaches" would be better. Yes, the Co$ is a cult but that doesn't mean that we take an anti-Scientologist POV (we let reality do that for us). If there was already (at that time) a variety of sources that say "promotes" and even a talk page consensus to use that phrasing, that he was aware of, then it could be evidence... But without such sources and discussion, "teaches" also works. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 10:51, 8 August 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Oof, thank you so much. Glad I asked now! There's just 1, 5, 9, and the edits just yesterday removing "cult" again + the explanation on the talk page, which is just four things (yeah they did that twice [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scientology&diff=971758616&oldid=970951931] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Scientology&diff=970186857&oldid=966461001]). I gotcha about 2 and 4. I figured it couldn't hurt to include more tangentially related ones, but thanks for explaining the AGF component, it makes sense now that they can actually detract from the overall point. I'm wondering, do you think that their edit history means they are a SPA? Or are their "other" edits substantial enough that they don't "count" as a SPA in the first place? And it sounds like these are not enough, so I'll just wait until something further happens I suppose...? Is ARE even the right place to go, or do I go to like... ANI? For NOTHERE? (I've never done anything like this before as is probably apparent lol) [[User:Leijurv|Leijurv]] ([[User talk:Leijurv|talk]]) 20:34, 8 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::{{ping|Leijurv}} So [https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Weboflight they currently have 132 edits across 43 pages]. I'm gonna ignore their 3 talk page edits related to their block because that was a reaction to a block (that just happened to be related to Scientology but still...). 80 edits of their edits across 9 pages relate to pages relate to Scientology. That means ~60% of their edit count relate to Scientology, which is probably the minimum you'd want before you start to accuse someone of being an SPA. Most of their non-Scientology edits were or could have been marked minor and mostly occurred during two periods: before being autoconfirmed and after being blocked. {{small|It's also somewhat telling that their non-Scientology edits don't show some sort of belief in [[WP:FRINGE|pseudoscience or conspiracy theories]], because the Co$ brainlubes anyone approaching [[Operating_Thetan#OT_III:_The_Wall_of_Fire|OT III]] with stuff like the [[Zeitgeist (film series)]] and [[Loose Change]].}} ''However'', because only 9 out of 42 pages (ignoring their talk page) relate to Scientology, rather than say "SPA," I'd present the other stuff and let people draw their own conclusions. Then again, the level of proof of SPA-ness I'm considering is more worthy of an indefinite block or site ban than a DS topic ban -- but that's probably going to be the case with other users if you actually say "SPA." So, no, ''not ANI for NOTHERE but ARE for a topic ban when you've got like ten-ish primary diffs''. And you're not running off to every noticeboard accusing me and Weboflight of secretly being David Miscavige and Tom Cruise, so you're doing quite fine. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 01:13, 9 August 2020 (UTC) |
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I'm tired of pretending I prioritize [[WP:5P]] over [[WP:NONAZIS]]. I know enough about the site to know that saying that's going to bite me on the ass and that that that's not going to work well with my other plans to return. Going to be thinking about it but I'm certain there's no outcome I'm going to be happy with. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 09:36, 4 May 2022 (UTC) |
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== Katabatic == |
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:Hi Ian - I came across your username just now while reading an old thread, and realised I hadn't seen you around in a while. I came here, and read this. All I can say is this: when I was a newb, you were one of the people who inspired me. I saw lots of sensible, level-headed comments and actions from you, and I thought 'Hey, Wikipedia is a little bit of the internet where there are good people running things. Maybe I could get involved here.' Do what's best for you, of course, but I wanted you to know that you made a difference, for me at least. [[User:Girth Summit|<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#006400;">Girth</span> <span style="font-family:Impact;color:#4B0082;">Summit</span>]][[User talk:Girth Summit|<sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub>]] 23:44, 8 December 2022 (UTC) |
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Is it just me, or does the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Katabatic03&diff=972282982&oldid=972278048 "come to my senses"] comment seem like [[gaslighting]]? I know I should AGF, but that's a ''remarkably'' rapid change in tone from their first unblock request. Just my 2¢. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 10:34, 11 August 2020 (UTC) |
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: I see that you made this very point in your [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Katabatic03&oldid=972300974 response]. I should have read more carefully. Sorry to bother you :) —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 10:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== Your essay == |
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Just a quick thanks for penning the [[WP:YESPROMO]] essay. It's a brilliant piece and I have linked to it many times in my talk page messages! Cheers. --[[User:Drm310|Drm310]] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> ([[User talk:Drm310|talk]]) 00:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC) |
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In the period 13-22 April 2018 you contributed to a discussion on the subject of the [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Guidelines|Reference desk guidelines]]. See [[Wikipedia talk:Reference desk/Archive 130#Are all questions about the human body requests for medical advice?]] |
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==Happy Seventh Adminship Anniversary!== |
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This subject is now being discussed again in a Request for Comment at [[Wikipedia talk:Reference desk/Guidelines/Medical advice#Does this page reflect community consensus]]. You may wish to contribute to the discussion. [[User:Dolphin51|<i style="color: green;">''Dolphin''</i>]] ''([[User talk:Dolphin51|<span style="color: blue;">t</span>]])'' 13:27, 11 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== Guardian101 == |
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Guardian101 continues to make disruptive edits on the Genghis Khan article. He has been reverted again by another user. -[[User:TrynaMakeADollar|TrynaMakeADollar]] ([[User talk:TrynaMakeADollar|talk]]) 08:32, 21 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|TrynaMakeADollar}} After going through more of their edit history, I've decided to block them indefinitely. They seemed to be behaving the same way in just about every article they edited. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 09:42, 21 August 2020 (UTC) |
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::Thank you. -[[User:TrynaMakeADollar|TrynaMakeADollar]] ([[User talk:TrynaMakeADollar|talk]]) 05:39, 23 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== Message from Jzio == |
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I'm a new user and I'm not sure if you are able to see responses on my talk page so I'll copy and paste it here: |
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🤷🏽♀️ Why not take it a step further and just ban me from the site? It's clear that I am not welcome to contribute. The article is deliberately misleading and should be categorized as political disinformation. Your editors are political hacks, valuing politics above all other value. If I'm ever reinstated, I will continue to abuse the rule, because the references are not truthful, a higher principal than the rule I choose to violate three revert rule. I indicate the lack of truthfulness in the talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:G._Edward_Griffin <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jzio|Jzio]] ([[User talk:Jzio#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jzio|contribs]]) 07:48, 3 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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: {{u|Jzio}}, no the article is deliberately ''not'' misleading, unlike the mad Bircher nonsense that Griffin promotes. And Media Matters have nothing to do with it: we have been fighting off Birchers for a decade or more on that article. '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' <small>([[user talk:JzG|help!]] - [[User:JzG/Typos|typo?]])</small> 10:39, 3 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Jzio}} You actually are heading toward an indefinite block from the site. Promoting a conspiracy theorist, calling people "political hacks," [[WP:AGF|assuming everyone's out to get you]], assuming that [[WP:RS|mainstream sources]] have a personal vendetta against [[WP:RGW|your hero]], and [[WP:TEND|generally ignoring sources]] all tend to result in blocks pretty quickly. For certain other articles, I would have long since blocked you. |
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:If there is any part of you that's not a hateful paranoid, consider the possibility that maybe there's a community here that, if you are capable of learning, you could join and improve. But no, keep going on about how we're all political shills for Media Matters out to libel an crank. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 10:55, 3 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::: You have made it even more clear that I am not welcome. I have only been here for a week and I'm unaware of your decade old battle, to quote you "we have been fighting off Birchers for a decade or more on that article." Personally, I'm a moderate, and an elected DNC delegate for Hillary Clinton so I can say, as a moderate, this article is not fair but it does represent the notion that you "have been fighting off Birchers for a decade". Good luck with your censorship! Please turn my account off. I don't want to be part of your games. 🤷🏽♀️ Have fun in the next decade<!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jzio|Jzio]] ([[User talk:Jzio#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jzio|contribs]]) </small> |
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:::::{{ping|Jzio}} I'm pointing out that the behavior and attitude that you have made a willful choice to continue in is what's not welcome. If you want to try to engage in a cooperative project that uses mainstream sources, then we can help you with that. If you are serious about wanting to turn your account off, make one more post at Talk:G. Edward Griffin or about Griffin anywhere on the site. If you don't want to be a waste of time and bandwidth, find another topic. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 21:50, 3 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== Casting aspertions == |
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Hello there, for some reason this thread was completely ignored by admins and eventually archived [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1046#Ad_hominem_comments/casting_aspersions]. Those are some pretty serious aspersions, thoughts? --[[User:HistoryofIran|HistoryofIran]] ([[User talk:HistoryofIran|talk]]) 20:03, 6 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|HistoryofIran}} Those are bad but ANI is woefully inadequate at dealing with incivility. I've opened their contributions in another tab and will try to look through it some. What usually works better than finding aspersions cast towards you to find comments they've made elsewhere that indicate incompatibility with the encyclopedia (such as them promoting a fascist organization over academic sources). Typhoon currently going through my town, so I have to prep food today instead of running to the corner shop (I need to remember to stock more junk food next time). [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 21:16, 6 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::No worries, ones health and safety is much more important than Wikipedia, stay safe and thanks! --[[User:HistoryofIran|HistoryofIran]] ([[User talk:HistoryofIran|talk]]) 21:17, 6 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::Hey Ian, I stopped by to give you props on the methodical approach you took to your recent ANI filing, but I'll save the substance of that for another day and instead say merely that I hope Haishen has left you relatively unscathed. All the best, with respect. ''[[User:Snow Rise|<b style="color: #19a0fd;">S</b><b style="color: #66c0fd">n</b><b style="color: #99d5fe;">o</b><b style="color: #b2dffe;">w</b>]] [[User talk:Snow Rise|<sup><b style="color: #d4143a">let's rap</b></sup>]]'' 03:32, 7 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Thanks, both of you. It's mostly passed me without issue. I'm actually going to check in a few hours if the corner store is open. |
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:::Probably not, and it's fine if not but I was already planning to cook lunches for the workweek so I didn't want to cook dinner on top of that. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 05:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC) |
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==Words to live by== |
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Hello I. I admire [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ATeahouse&type=revision&diff=977142242&oldid=977141748 this post] and the links provided. You'll want to sign it when you get a chance. Have a pleasant week. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]|[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 04:47, 7 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:Oops, thanks. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 04:49, 7 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::You are welcome. Having worked so much on the 'pedia's film articles a philosophy I've developed is "if I think it is really important scene and should be part of the plot section" it probably isn't and doesn't :-) [[Ludwig Mies van der Rohe|Less is more]] are more words to live be. Cheers. [[User:MarnetteD|MarnetteD]]|[[User talk:MarnetteD|Talk]] 04:59, 7 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== Language, please. == |
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I do not like bad language on Wikipedia. I am a police officer and you were being rude to me. I have read the [[Guide to requests for adminship]] and the [[WP:RFA]] as well. |
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:Sure officer, I'll be sure to watch my fucking language from now on. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 05:06, 7 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:Gosh you're so monotone. Have a lil fun here bro. FuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckFuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckFuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckFuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck. '''[[User:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#4C516D; color:white; padding:2px;">Gerald</span>]][[User talk:Gerald Waldo Luis|<span style="background:#B9CFF0; color:black; padding:2px;">WL</span>]]''' 07:43, 7 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== Talk:Muhammad disruption == |
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Ian, if you see further disruption on [[Talk:Muhammad]], like [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Muhammad&diff=977684232&oldid=977682875 this edit you reverted], just block the IP for 3 months for block evasion. I've done it twice now. I don't know if it's sockpuppetry or the same guy hopping around widely varying IP addresses. I'm willing to do the whack-a-mole thing for a while but if it lasts another week I'm inclined to semi-protect the talk page, which wouldn't be good because most of the discussion there is initiated by anonymous or unconfirmed editors. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 17:51, 10 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Anachronist}} [[Special:Contributions/81.147.142.48/29|I had already blocked the range]]. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Miscellaneous&diff=prev&oldid=910766760 One prior edit on the range] is clearly [[WP:VXFC]]. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 22:24, 10 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::Good to know, but there have been others outside the range adding the same content: {{User|109.157.129.59}} and {{User|2a00:23a8:d43:e100:11de:4b8a:f545:21da}}. I suspect we'll see more. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 23:58, 10 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== Harrasment == |
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This user asked me strange questions about my beliefs on the Holocaust and 9/11. |
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Two extremely disturbing parts of humanity that I would rather not discuss with strangers? |
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I do not understand why he would do so? I would like an explanation, and I am curious as to if this type of thing is normal on wikipedia? |
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[[User:NateDyer|NateDyer]] ([[User talk:NateDyer|talk]]) 06:24, 13 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|NateDyer}} You have repeatedly called Wikipedia a propaganda outlet ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:9/11_conspiracy_theories&diff=prev&oldid=930951630] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:September_11_attacks&diff=prev&oldid=872561349] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:September_11_attacks&diff=prev&oldid=872261512]), apparently out of some conspiracy theorist belief that the US gov't (and not, ultimately, Osama bin Laden) was behind the attacks. You have also made [[WP:AGF|incorrect]] (if not false) claims that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Adolf_Hitler&diff=prev&oldid=976936684 a citation did not support a statement about Nazis sending people to concentration camps] (when that statement was almost a paraphrase of the citation) before [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:A_Racial_Program_for_the_Twentieth_Century&diff=prev&oldid=977484033 going on to concur with an apparent Holocaust denier]. |
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:You were already waving your dick around on those topics, don't pretend you are uncomfortable talking about them. I asked you those questions so that you could clear the air regarding your actions. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 07:38, 13 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== NLT? == |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bcliot33&diff=prev&oldid=980733110 FYI]. They've self-reverted... but I'm not sure if I should still open an ANI? —[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]] 05:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:I see you've already opened a discussion on ANI, so I've commented re the LT. Kind regards, —[[User:MelbourneStar|<b style="color:#E22">Mel</b><b style="color:#F20">bourne</b><b style="color:#F73">Star</b>]]<span style="color: #FF9F00;">☆</span>[[User talk:MelbourneStar|<sup style="color:#407">'''''talk'''''</sup>]] 05:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== Bcliot33 == |
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Interesting. A sock comes out of the woodwork to promote [[Julius Evola]]. You characterized the baron as a fascist mystic, and I sort of wish I had used that phrase previously, but he was a fascist mystic who frightened some of Mussolini's hangers-on because he really was a fascist mystic, and they were just hangers-on to a ruler. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 17:35, 29 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:As a Christian humanist who has read [[Aleister Crowley|Crowley]] and [[Michael Howard (Luciferian)|Howard]]; and who keeps the Quran, the Book of Mormon, a few Faust books on my physical shelf, I fully appreciate not jumping to conclusions on a person's ideology from what they read. That said, Evola one of the few authors whose readers I become immediately wary of. |
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:Evola has had his hangers-on carry him into the modern era -- including a (since tossed) hanger-on to another would-be autocrat. Interesting how both groups of followers use the same tactics of pretending their hero didn't say something, or that it wasn't meant that way, or that we only pretending to disagree because we hate their hero. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 22:34, 29 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::You probably know that I wasn't referring to Evola as a hanger-on. And Mussolini wasn't a would-be autocrat, because he was the real thing. In my opinion, Mussolini made one major blunder. (Being an autocrat is not a blunder but a wrong choice.) That was allying himself with Hitler. If he had remained neutral, then he might have received a state funeral in 1971 with [[Paul VI]] and King Umberto officiating. But isn't the now-tossed hanger-on to whom you refer someone who was arrested on a yacht recently for a weird scheme to steal money by building a fence? [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 16:35, 30 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Yes, I caught that. And yes, you've figured out who I was calling a hanger-on (and hanging on to a leader who similarly isn't doing enough to distance himself from Nazis). [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 22:02, 30 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== Discretionary sanctions notification == |
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Curious why you left a Discretionary sanctions notification on my talk page 15:20, 22 July 2018 (UTC). I would expect Wikipedia has a way for you to indicate what instigated your action here but no indication. I suspect my suggestions/comments I made on article talk pages are the offending posts. Notice my posts are my best effort to determine how I may most productively contribute, and I'm not seeing a more viable way to contribute given my cost/benefit analysis of the options given my focus on the author's agenda in the context frame (defining the meaning) of the message as the primary issue in any communications. On a perhaps more general note I do notice Wikipedia's key concern about people posting without sources is woefully violated perhaps on a majority of content posted, for example this entire page [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Natural_Step]] is posted without source, suggesting that the author is the source of the entire article. [[User:Rtdrury|Rtdrury]] ([[User talk:Rtdrury|talk]]) 14:23, 5 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:Curious why you waited two years to ask me instead of doing so when I left the message. I would expect that you had read the part of the template that explicitly says "''It does '''not''' imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date''" but no indication. I suspect that [[Special:Contributions/Rtdrury|your contributions]] from around that time ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=851471229 probably this one] or [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Skull_and_Bones&diff=prev&oldid=840875860 maybe this one]) may have the answer. Notice that my post was my best effort to let you know . |
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:Also, almost all articles have multiple authors, and you have just as much responsibility for cleaning up the site as anyone else. That said, you also have as much responsibility for [[WP:NOTFORUM|avoiding commentary]], for understanding [[WP:RS|what constitutes a reliable source]] (for example, [[WP:RSP#RT|RT is garbage propaganda full of conspiracy theories and other lies]]), for [[WP:FRINGE|avoiding conspiracy theories]], and for [[WP:AGF|assuming that other members are here to help]]. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 21:29, 5 October 2020 (UTC) |
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== Response to post on my talk page == |
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What kind of explanation is the one you gave me? What kind of mental gymnastics? No one said anything about the race of people involved - Minneapolis burned down. Stores were looted. It occurred in multiple cities. These "protests" have a body count. To say it is anything but a riot is a laughable lie and a leftist delusion contradicted by endless, plentiful, apocalyptic video evidence of stores being looted, buildings being burned, dead bodies laying in the streets, and girls screaming to cameras that "protestors shot her sister". What you mean by "you need better personal news sources" is "ones that I agree with, as a leftist". You're trying to shirk responsibility, as a leftist, for riots and violence. Stop throwing around the "white supremacist/fascist" ad-hominem. Black people rioted. White people rioted. People were condemning rioting. How on earth am I supposed to respond to this? This is an utter deflection. To impugn that anyone who speaks out against rioting is a racist fascist is tyrannical in itself, censorious, creepy, and deluded. [[User:Tyrolian859|Tyrolian859]] ([[User talk:Tyrolian859|talk]]) 10:00, 7 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:You're putting property damage over the police shrugging at their own members murdering people. |
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:Are you here to build an encyclopedia, or troll? Because this shit says the latter. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 10:25, 7 October 2020 (UTC) |
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Hello Ian, you shut down the discussion at [[Talk:Unite_the_Right_rally#Fine_People_"Hoax"]] because you (correctly) identified that the discussion was not leading anywhere and no constructive suggestions were proposed. I'm fine with that. However, in your closing remarks you mention several positions that the context suggests you attribute to me (maybe I'm misreading things). I do not have the opportunity to rebut these accusations on the talk page because that section is now (rightly) closed. Nevertheless I have a right to correct the accusations so please allow me to do so here. |
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:What made you seek out this particular editor, who has made only 1 edit in nearly 2 years? [[User:Zaathras|Zaathras]] ([[User talk:Zaathras|talk]]) 20:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC) |
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1. You claim that I pretend that "nobody at the rally" saw the large group of Nazis chanting "Jews will not replace us." |
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I never said anything like this. I agree that this is well documented by reliable sources! It is a total hallucination, a fabrication, that I claimed anything of the sort. |
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2. You write that I'm "pretending that anyone who did due diligence in learning anything about the rally before commenting on it could have not known it was full of white supremacists." |
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I never said that or even implied it. I agree that it is ''well'' documented by reliable sources that the rally was dominated by white supremacists. I do not dispute this at all. |
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I never claimed that either. This is a strawman. |
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Please delete the above claims that because they totally misrepresent my position. Your preceding comments and justification for closing the discussion are fine. [[User:Pakbelang|Pakbelang]] ([[User talk:Pakbelang|talk]]) 10:30, 14 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:No. You kept trying to excuse people who marched with Nazis with statements like "assuming one knew they were Nazis" and "not everyone who attended the rally knew in advance that it would be filled with Nazis," since you needed to excuse them to justify excusing Trump's "very fine people" remarks, which you started off doing by citing a source so obviously unreliable that you should have stopped editing pages (not just articles but also talk pages) relating to American politics right then and there. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 12:10, 14 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::Ian, yes, the two quotations you attribute to me here are correct and I take note of your opinion. But the three allegations on the article's talk page (listed above) are false. Please delete them so we can put an end to this matter. --[[User:Pakbelang|Pakbelang]] ([[User talk:Pakbelang|talk]]) 22:27, 14 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:::You are entirely responsible for continuing this matter, you end it. This matter should have ended when it was pointed out that the article already cites reliable sources regarding Trump supporters' views on the "fine people" comment. This matter should have ended when it was pointed out that we don't need to cite "pro-Trump" sources. This matter should have ended when your gross incompetence in finding reliable sources was pointed out. '''You end the matter by leaving my talk page and not coming back.''' [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 22:31, 14 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Please retract your three baseless allegations. You have the right to not to respond to the questions I raised but you have no right to make false allegations against me and then immediately close the discussion, shutting off my right to reply there. I am left with few options but to reply here. --[[User:Pakbelang|Pakbelang]] ([[User talk:Pakbelang|talk]]) 00:53, 15 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::I wasn't the one who closed the discussion. Anyone who knows the basics of Wikipedia would have checked the page history before accusing me of closing the discussion. |
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:::::[[WP:FREESPEECH|You do not have the "right to reply" on this site]]. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 09:41, 15 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::Sorry for wrongly accusing you of closing the discussion, I jumped to the conclusion without checking the page history. Also, thanks for the [[WP:FREESPEECH]] link. I consider your three allegations (above) to be [[WP:Libel|defamatory]] and, as per WP policies on libel ("Delete libelous material when it has been identified"), on [[wp:personal attacks|personal attacks]] and [[Wp:casting aspersions|casting aspersions]], I request that you delete them.[[User:Pakbelang|Pakbelang]] ([[User talk:Pakbelang|talk]]) 05:26, 16 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::See [[WP:No legal threats]]. You are not the subject of a biography. If your username in anyway identifies who you are offline, that's your fault. You disagree with my blunt assessment of you excusing people who marched with Nazis, because you've never had a legitimate point and just want to "win." Get over it and leave my talk page alone. [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson#top|talk]]) 07:37, 16 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::::When did I make a legal threat? Just because I consider your comments to be defamatory doesn't mean that I intend to take legal action – I confirm I have no such intention. I am open about my real name on my user page but I respect WP's policy on legal threats. In terms of my desire to "win" any substantive argument related to the article in question, I think you're mistaken. My comments on the talk page were related to sourcing, it was you who started on the [[WP:SOAP|soapboxing]]. Such substantive comments (along the lines which you just repeated) would be inappropriate. I take them as a [[wp:personal attacks|personal attack]] and, if they needed to be made at all, they should have been made on my talk page or here, and not on the article's talk page.--[[User:Pakbelang|Pakbelang]] ([[User talk:Pakbelang|talk]]) 09:14, 16 December 2020 (UTC) |
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To-do: red plastic gas cans
These things are ubiquitous in the US (or at least any part I've been to) but we don't have an article on them. Like, I've only ever seen three consistent models (each different sizes of the same basic pattern) and looking online, it looks like those are the only three models that have been allowed since the gas crisis in the '70s.[original research?]
I've got a lot of other things on my plate, but I think these might be sufficient sources for someone (me, anyone else, whoever) to write up an article on them:
- News article
- News article
- News article
- News article
- News article
- Gov't regulation document
- Gov't regulation document
- Gov't regulation document
- "Non-Profit" run by the companies that make these things (haven't actually read through and found specific pages yet)
The last source definitely doesn't establish WP:NOTE and I'd normally be wary of anyone insisting that it be used. Still, I think they also discuss regulatory info and maybe manufacturing history. Given the news sources (all of which are "oh shit, these things are exploding again" and "please stop doing things to make them explode"), I think it's safe to say that its inclusion probably won't amount to promotion.
I'm not sure that this would accomplish much more than a stub, at least with my usual "summarize, paraphrase, combine overlapping statements" approach. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:21, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
- I saw this up in your table of contents. Those damned things are a colossal nuisance , I finally found a brand that allows better control of flow and doesn't end up slopping gas all over the lawnmower, generator, or tiller. The mesh screen appears nowadays to be broadly used. They also come in yellow for diesel and blue for kerosene. Acroterion (talk) 01:19, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
- I am remembering my dad using blue barrels made of the same material for kerosene back when we had a space heater but yeah, I do see the same design in blue and yellow. (I think he got them on sale, I'm not sure I've seen them in stores ever again, and boy hell were they trouble to get rid of). Guess I need to look for sources on the diesel and kerosene ones and figure out what the industry name is for this family of cans. They're not Jerrycans (which is where gas can currently redirects): they're broader, have a handle on the back, and the stamping on the sides is just embossed warning text (not a structural feature). (I'm sure you know but other talk page watchers who haven't opened the links might be wondering why I want to reinvent the Jerrycan).
- There's another gas can design that I'm seeing, "Safety gas cans," which I suppose needs to be written about as well. Basically squat half-capsule mini-barrels with a handle and spout on the flatly rounded top. They're why I haven't just made "gas can" about the red plastic ones, since we really need "gas can" to be a disambig between the standard plastic, the Jerrycan, and the safety gas cans. Thanks for helping me realize that. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:38, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
- I'm accumulating a museum of gas cans. I got two of the safety cans after squirrels started eating the plastic ones. After that generation of squirrels died they seem to have stopped munching plastic and confine themselves to the house, so now I have some plastic ones that are easier to handle, and a yellow one in case we run out of heating oil - I can get off-road diesel and use that in a pinch. I think fuel container is a safe generic term. Acroterion (talk) 01:49, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
- I guess maybe a redirect to Bin bag would suffice? Ian.thomson (talk) 23:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
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I should have announced this sooner but it just kinda crept up on me. Between various issues (less prep time at work, trying to affordably diet and exercise better), I've just not had enough energy when I'm home beyond what I need to get ready for the next work day or upcoming week.
I've bought some sources to expand articles on Goetic demons, though. I may work some on that without fully coming off of the Wikibreak. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:10, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Ian - we haven't interacted much, so sorry for coming out of the blue, but I wanted to tell you that when I was in my 'I have an account, but I mostly just read stuff without commenting' stage, your contributions were a real inspiration for me to actually get involved. You were one of the most active editors on some of the pages I was interested in, and I saw your name come up time and again attached to sensible, rational comments. So, yeah - I'm a fan.
- Anyone deserves and can self-award a break whenever they want to; I'd suggest that you have definitely earned one if you feel like it, and should take as long as you need/want. If you want to do some article-writing without engaging with admin stuff (or anything else) you're still doing good work - thank you! Girth Summit (blether) 23:21, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
- I am going to pile on here as another "out of the blue" editor. I don't think we have ever interacted directly at all but you have certainly provided value to me as an editor (and no doubt to Wikipedia as a whole) and that does not go away because you have other things to focus on whether that shift in focus is temporary or permanent. Now go get some exercise! :) S0091 (talk) 21:32, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
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Every two weeks, when my email login expires and I have to log back in, I get the notification that "I" have too many failed logins and need to reset my password. Even after almost a year of inactivity, this is still the case. To the asshole(s) doing that, you could have made bank on crypto by now, and I'm saying that as someone who thinks all cryptocurrency is a scam.
Thanks to Wikipedia, I got to see alt-right talking points identified as such well before they became a part of mainstream conversation. Offline individuals who I trusted and respected started hinting at these talking points more and more. Pretty much every attempt to show them the source and goal of those ideas only stalled things at best. When politicians aren't stirring up the alt-right, they're defending those who stir them up, or defending those who defend the pandering, or saying we need to cooperate with those who are ultimately defending the alt-right. And the number of users I've seen hounded for saying "we shouldn't allow Nazis on the site because it's antithetical to this site's goals" is dismaying. Shame on the shriveled, minuscule, impotent souls whose petty grudges push them to defend fascism just to score points against someone. And if you're upset at my characterization of you as such, you're the one who put the shoe on, Cinderella.
On top of that, over the past decade, I've spent half of it on the other side of the world from my hometown. Though this has just slowed the rate at which I was growing tired, it hasn't stopped it.
I'm fucking sick of it all. I'd say "Nazis can all go to hell" but that's like telling shit to stink. Wait, no, at least shit has enough sense that it doesn't need to be told to do that.
I do want to come back. I'm aware that we'll never "go back to normal," that there is not and will never be a "new normal," that normal was always a monsterous lie, and that order is nothing but the local flavor of chaos. That thinking is actually kinda why I got along here as well as I did.
I do enjoy non-contentious admin work. Going through new user names and blocking obvious troll or spam accounts before anyone else can even report them is actually fun.
I have a bunch of new sources for Goetia related articles as well as sources for the Shams al-Ma'arif article.
I'm tired of pretending I prioritize WP:5P over WP:NONAZIS. I know enough about the site to know that saying that's going to bite me on the ass and that that that's not going to work well with my other plans to return. Going to be thinking about it but I'm certain there's no outcome I'm going to be happy with. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:36, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
- Hi Ian - I came across your username just now while reading an old thread, and realised I hadn't seen you around in a while. I came here, and read this. All I can say is this: when I was a newb, you were one of the people who inspired me. I saw lots of sensible, level-headed comments and actions from you, and I thought 'Hey, Wikipedia is a little bit of the internet where there are good people running things. Maybe I could get involved here.' Do what's best for you, of course, but I wanted you to know that you made a difference, for me at least. Girth Summit (blether) 23:44, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
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Just a quick thanks for penning the WP:YESPROMO essay. It's a brilliant piece and I have linked to it many times in my talk page messages! Cheers. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 00:51, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
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Hello, there is a discussion about neutral point on view of the RFK Jr talk page and I am wondering what your say on it is. Logawinner (talk) 20:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- What made you seek out this particular editor, who has made only 1 edit in nearly 2 years? Zaathras (talk) 20:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- They were the editor that got onto be when I was making biased edits on religious articles when I was younger. I figured someone being on the other side of my troublemaking could make a much more informed decision than me that would be more unbiased. They are the one that taught me about NPOV. Logawinner (talk) 03:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
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