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# The current situation demonstrates that a top-down approach to developing tools is not responsive enough to meet the needs of Wikipedia. —[[User:Doug Bell|Doug Bell]] <sup>[[User talk:Doug Bell|talk]]'''•'''[[Special:Contributions/Doug Bell|contrib]]</sup> 17:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC) |
# The current situation demonstrates that a top-down approach to developing tools is not responsive enough to meet the needs of Wikipedia. —[[User:Doug Bell|Doug Bell]] <sup>[[User talk:Doug Bell|talk]]'''•'''[[Special:Contributions/Doug Bell|contrib]]</sup> 17:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC) |
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# Lets get it fixed! --[[Darth]] [[User:Deskana|Deskana]] <small>[[User_Talk:Deskana|(talk page)]]</small> 08:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC) |
# Lets get it fixed! --[[Darth]] [[User:Deskana|Deskana]] <small>[[User_Talk:Deskana|(talk page)]]</small> 08:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC) |
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# Would love for CatScan to work again. Absolutely necessary tool for [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs]].--[[User:Firsfron|Firsfron]] 12:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC) |
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==Wikipedia:Community Portal== |
==Wikipedia:Community Portal== |
Revision as of 12:10, 4 May 2006
So, I made this as a centralized place where we could discuss the importance of the toolserver, specifically to the english wikipedia. I personally think a toolserver is pretty much vital at this point, and if the current one has either technical or political reasons for being unreliable some sort of workaround needs to occur. Ideally that would mean a toolserver colocated with the main cluster. I don't know if this is the best place to start talking about it, but I think it should be discussed, and from asking a few other people there seems to be interest. - cohesion 00:55, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well, the toolserver is used by many different languages, most especially english and german, so this probably belongs somewhere on meta (eg. nearby m:Toolserver) (we can talk about the importance to enwiki, but it's also pretty important to the commons, etc). And discussions have traditionally been carried out on the mailing list or on IRC, but discussions could take place on meta too. --Interiot 01:11, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- I understand that the toolserver is used by all the other projects, but I think having the conversation on irc or the listserv or even on meta leads to only a few people being aware of it. I wanted to get a better understanding of how it is used on enwiki here, because I think, due to its use in smaller communities, its easy to forget how other groups are using it. I'm definitely not opposed to the discussion on future directions happening there though, but a list of how we are using the toolserver on enwiki, I think belongs here. I also think that any discussion of future directions would be aided by a wider understanding of how we are currently using it. - cohesion 02:25, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
- Not a lot of trafic on the toolserver list though. I just joined it myself. First message I got was one sayign that Gmaxwell have root access to the toolserver now, wich is good I guess. Dunno if the admins have to do something at the Wikipedia end to make the replication work again though. --Sherool (talk) 14:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah, very good news about Gmaxwell, and I'm sure given some time the toolserver will be fine, I still think we should have some list of where we are using it though, on enwiki, and this seems like an ideal place. I don't know if the page should stay an essay for this though, if anyone wants to rework the page into a more factual list without my pov whining feel free :) I might in a couple days if no one does. Does anyone else even think a list would be helpful? - cohesion 18:20, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Wikipetition
We, the undersigners of this petition, hereby ask the administrators of the Wikimedia Deutschland toolserver to let User:Interiot fix the current incompatibility with enwiki_p.
- My editcountitis is too advanced to live without an edit counter! --M@thwiz2020 14:36, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
- Ditto. Johntex\talk 23:44, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
- The toolserver serves some very important functions, so yes please! Ziggurat 01:58, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- Agree! Restore toolserver access to enwiki! Kimchi.sg | talk 09:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- There are a number of useful tools on the toolserver (including the easier-to-use prod tool), and there's certainly potential for more. -- Mithent 11:51, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- The current situation demonstrates that a top-down approach to developing tools is not responsive enough to meet the needs of Wikipedia. —Doug Bell talk•contrib 17:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- Lets get it fixed! --Darth Deskana (talk page) 08:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- Would love for CatScan to work again. Absolutely necessary tool for Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs.--Firsfron 12:10, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Community Portal
I think it is important that we get this sorted out so these tools will be up and running again. I have posted a notice about this situation at Wikipedia:Community Portal. Johntex\talk 00:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
- Hmm, I never really intended this to be similar to a petition, what I really thought we needed was a place to see how various projects are using the toolserver. I think the developers and other's working on it will get this situation sorted out, I don't think any of them think we don't need a toolserver, which is somewhat implied in a petition. I guess what I mean to say is, I think everyone involved is motivated with or without a petition. This page was created after the toolserver went down, but not to bring it back up as much as act as an ongoing resource about its usage. When the toolserver is back up and running (something I have no doubt will occur) I think this page will still be useful, its purpose isn't predicated on the toolserver being down. - cohesion 06:25, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- I removed a lot of the front page, I think what I wrote was being misinterpreted, I don't know what (if anything) should go there. The goal was mainly the listing, which could serve to make all the uses of the toolserver more clear. If someone has any ideas about other things that would be useful, anything not specific to enwiki though should probably go to m:Toolserver. For the people signing the petition, I wouldn't worry about it not coming back :) Everyone likes it for their own special reasons, this page was just to list them all together so we would all like it even more, ha :) - cohesion 06:44, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- Double Hmm, I got the impression that pressure needed to be built in order to get this resolved. I got that impression because Gmaxwell said things like: The developers moved enwiki without warning me, maybe they'll fix this someday, but I don't have much hope because the Asian cluster move never got fixed,... (not an exact quote). As long as everything is on the way to being fixed, that is fine by me. Johntex\talk 06:51, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- Gmaxwell is now an administrator of the toolserver. I'm probably the wrong one to ask on this because I don't have all the details, but from what I do know I wouldn't worry about it not coming back. Maybe Gmaxwell or Interiot will offer some more info, but even if they don't I think it's ok. Anyway, I do like the idea of a toolserver etc, but I don't think it's really in jeopardy. I do still think a listing of uses would be helpful though, but I also don't want people to think they shouldn't edit Wikipedia:Toolserver, of course everyone should :) - cohesion 17:48, 21 April 2006 (UTC)