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==Discussion on "content guidelines"== |
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I'm pretty content with how the content guidelines are currently constructed, but there's always room for improvement. As of right now, they're all pretty much based on estalished Wikipedia policies/guidelines/essays, but we can get more specific to the show if need be, or include more Wikipedia info. Any ideas how to make these guidelines better? [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 05:49, 5 June 2006 (UTC) |
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=== Speculations === |
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Where exactly are we drawing the line on this? I realize all shipping is off but other small things are everywhere. |
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Here are examples:<br> |
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YuYan Archers using Firebending<br> |
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Koh and Lu Ten's face<br> |
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Ty Lee looking like an airbender<br> |
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[[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 18:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC) |
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There is indeed numerous instances of this, unfortunately. These theories all violate official Wikipedia policy on having only [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|verifiable information]]. One of the major ways this WikiProject can serve to better all articles related to the show is by removing these speculative statements and ensuring that they stay off the pages. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 21:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC) |
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===Tense=== |
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Something which needs to be clarified is tense. Right now, it's very inconsistent. [[User:MOF|MOF]] 09:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC) |
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: I think all articles should be written in present tense. I learned that all book reports and such should be written in present tense, since the work of literature/art still exists today. So when describing any episode, it's always "Aang '''does'''" and not "Aang '''did'''." I would use past tense only when describing a flashback in an episode, because that is deliberately an event in the past (from the current frame of reference). |
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: The "History" sections for all character pages could possibly be written in present tense, too. I've helped to write [[Toph]]'s history in present tense, since her story is mostly told in the present-time reference of the series. I haven't read through [[Zuko]]'s history yet; it makes sense to do his past tense, since a lot of it happened before the start of the series, but with more and more flashbacks being aired, you could possibly shift the frame of reference so that his history could be written in present tense (and not sound awkward). --[[User:Crisu|Crisu]] 15:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC) |
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::Reading in present tense is weird and always will be weird. And how do we know the events of the show didn't happen hundreds of years ago?[[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 21:26, 17 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:::I think that at least things which happened before the first episode of the show need to be in past tense. As far as events which happen during the episodes go, I'm not so sure. We rather need to do away with these blow-by-blow synopses anyway. If we had a brief overview of the episode, rather than every little event, it would seem only natural to write in past tense. As it is now, however, either way can really be argued for or against. [[User:MOF|MOF]] 21:38, 17 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:: Well, in line with [[Wikipedia:Guide_to_writing_better_articles#Check_your_fiction|Wikipedia's guidelines]] regarding writing articles about fiction, I tend to write everything almost exclusively in present tense. The rewrite of Zuko's history that I'm working on is also in present tense because I'm putting it in chronological order and thus changing the frame of reference to support present tense. This is because I agree with the sentiment that fiction exists in perpetual present tense, in other words, by virtue of the fact that it never happened, it's better referred to as if it is always in the process of happening since whenever someone new experiences the fiction, it is. [[User:Raceberry|Raceberry]] 17:07, 18 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Yes, I agree; ''perpetual present tense'' is defined in the Wikipedia guidelines as the correct tense to use for works of fiction (and it makes sense intuitively since it really hasn't ever truly happened), and I feel we should stick with Wikipedia guidelines on the issue. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 18:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC) |
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::::Are we in agreement, then, that ''perpetual present'' tense should be included as a content guideline? [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 18:41, 1 July 2006 (UTC) |
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==And in the beginning...== |
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Hey folks, thanks for your interest in this WikiProject. The main WikiProject page still has a little way to go, but the most important sections (in my opinion, anyway) of the main WikiProject page are all ready up and I'd love to hear your thoughts on what we have so far and what we could potentially have in the future. What should our focus be? What would you like your involvement to be? Say anything... ideas, problems, questions, hate-messages (hah)... what do you think? Let's get a good discussion going! And don't forget to add yourself to the members list. |
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Oh, and if anyone would like to help complete the WikiProject main page (i.e., help create some templates for the WikiProject, create the /articles subpage, etc.), that'd be great too. :) [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 19:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC) |
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I'm done with my exams as of Thursday. At which time I will probably be using the sandbox until I get a good hang of everything. But I have nothing better to do so when I figure out what to do I'll get to work [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 05:09, 5 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:I'm glad to join! I think the first thing that needs to be done is to remove all of the cleanup tags from the Season One episodes (the hard way of course :) ). The "adoption" idea will probably work wonders here. I've actually started on the episode [[The Blue Spirit]] before this project began, and I still need to finish it up. [[User:PrimeCupEevee|<font color="brown">PCEevee</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:PrimeCupEevee|''<font color="brown">talk</font>'']]</sup> 01:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:It seems things have really gotten rolling in my absence... excellent. Let's keep it up! [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 16:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC) |
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== Image for project banner? == |
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Since the fair use policy prevents us from using any of the obvious ones, does anyone have any ideas for an image to use in the project banner template? [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill Lokshin]] 00:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:Hmmm. Could the four Chinese characters that appear between "Nickelodeon" and "Avatar" count as a logo? They have appeared on all three shirts that are [http://shop.nickjr.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2060004&clickid=mainnav_shows_txt in the Nick shop]. It could be called synonymous with the title, but that's just a guess. I'm not totally sure on that one. [[User:PrimeCupEevee|<font color="brown">PCEevee</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:PrimeCupEevee|''<font color="brown">talk</font>'']]</sup> 21:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC) |
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== Userbox == |
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I just created a userbox for this, because I see Proto really likes to use them :-P. Feel free to tell me any changes you want done to it. |
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Also, I got a message aobut licencing of the arrow head pic. Does anyone know how to do that? I don't want to read that whole page. [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 04:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:Skrew it, I just changed the picture |
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:: There, I went userbox happy. Spice up your page. I'm going to bed. [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 06:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:::The images are still fair-use, so having them in a template will bring the copyright police down on our heads rather quickly ;-) [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill Lokshin]] 13:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC) |
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::::I've standardized the formatting on all the userboxes and made corresponding categories. Hope it all works out. --[[User:Crisu|Crisu]] 15:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC) |
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::::Ok I'm confused by what you mean by the fair-use policy? If I got the images from wikipedia aren't they avaliable? [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 19:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::The long description is [[WP:FUC|here]]; the short answer is that images that aren't public domain or available under a free license (things like TV sreenshots, in our case) can only be used in ''articles'', not in templates or on user pages. [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill Lokshin]] 19:46, 7 June 2006 (UTC) |
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::::::So that means the two with screenshots are in trouble but the ones with the elements are open? [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 20:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::::Basically. (Although I'm not entirely sure about the element images; while the image page says they've been released into the public domain, I'm not sure where they come from. They do look a bit like cropped screenshots of some sort as well.) [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill Lokshin]] 22:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC) |
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The userboxes look great, H2P; well done! |
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When I get more time, I'll see if I can't find any eligible images. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 16:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC) |
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==Q about The Blue Spirit episode== |
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Would anybody mind looking at the [[The Blue Spirit]] article that I have been working on and review it in general? I just want to know where to go from here. [[User:PrimeCupEevee|<font color="brown">PCEevee</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:PrimeCupEevee|''<font color="brown">talk</font>'']]</sup> 21:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:Just needs some general neatness changes. You've got some loose sentences not with any paragraphs. Just as a quick glance it looks fine. [[User:Eban|Eban]] 21:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC) |
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== Tagging Article Ratings == |
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Just curious as to who it is that rates these articles. Is it this project and we go off the guidelines set by Wiki, or is it someone else? [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 13:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:It's done by the project. I went through yesterday and tagged all the relevant articles I could find; but since I went through them rather rapidly, some of the ratings might be off, so feel free to adjust them as needed. [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill Lokshin]] 13:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC) |
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::This is a great idea to incorporate. Hopefully it'll give people a good sense of just how much work is involved to bring these pages up to par with the rest of Wikipedia. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 16:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Oh it's not that much work. Just, you know, some where around 55 articles once we make our own. But, you know, who needs a summer break anyway [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 18:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC) |
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== Page Designs == |
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I know there will be more page design questions, so lets group them<br> |
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Anyway, my question was about quote from the episodes. I plan on working on this after getting the creatures page list. I want to know what should be the minimum number of quotes per episode... and the maximum (I'm looking at you [[Bitter Work]] *shakes fist*) [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 18:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:The theoretical answer is that anything more than a handful of quotes (which should be worked into the text, rather than left sitting in a separate "Quotes" section) needs to be moved to WikiQuote. I'm not sure how practical doing this in the near future would be, though, considering how much of the material in those articles ''is'' just quotes. [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill Lokshin]] 18:33, 8 June 2006 (UTC) |
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::I'm gonna go ahead and put a max of 5 quotes that are actually meaningful to the the full story or quotes the help to define characters. [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 01:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Ok before I go on a quote creating binge, should I? Should we have a seperate Quotes section or should we just build all quotes into the synopsis? [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 07:21, 13 June 2006 (UTC) |
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::::I'd try to work them into the synopsis (possibly using {{tl|cquote}} for some of the more prominent ones). If/when the articles start getting proper referencing footnotes, additional quotes can be added there, as well. [[User:Kirill Lokshin|Kirill Lokshin]] 12:09, 13 June 2006 (UTC) |
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Picture size: We need a standard for the Avatar info boxes. I'm seeing a range of numbers especially in newer episodes [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 05:28, 17 July 2006 (UTC) |
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: I'm about to do something about that, but I'm not too sure which size to make them. I was think 285 since that's the max before it will stretch the infobox. [[User:Redsparta|redsparta]] 01:34, 17 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::As long as it doesn't hinder the page, I think the bigger the better. We might also want to look into putting a few more pictures on the episode listings, similar to The Swamp's page design.[[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 05:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC) |
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== New Article == |
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I went ahead and made a seperate page for Princess Azula, though I've not yet finished correcting all the existing links, nor have I removed her from the Major Characters page. [[User:Eban|Eban]] 21:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC) |
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== Zuko's Age == |
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Ok, I'm tired of the constant revision wars. I want proof of his age as said by the show. Numbers do not matter because while my sister and I are three years apart almost all year, there is a three month period where we are only two years apart. [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 05:32, 9 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:Agreed. The ''only'' proof we have is located in the first episode, when Iroh comments on Zuko's age being 16. Thus, until something contradicts that, that's what the age should remain. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 20:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC) |
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::The person who keeps changing the age back to 16 refuses to listen to reason and says that until we "prove" that he's 16 still, she won't stop. [[User:Raceberry|Raceberry]] 14:00, 10 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:::But we don't have to prove anything, we're going off the information the show gives us. The show hasn't given us any age but 16 and we have no evidence that he would of had a birthday since.<br> [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 18:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC) |
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::::Yes, that's what I told her. [[User:Raceberry|Raceberry]] 19:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC) |
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What we know: |
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:As of Avatar State, it's been 3 years since the Agni Kai.<br> |
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:The Storm and no other episode gives us info on the Agni Kai age.<br> |
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:Analogy: His birthday is October 1st. Let's just say he was 14 during the Agni Kai which took place on June 1st. As of June 1st when the 3 year anniversary would come about, he'd still be 16 for another 4 months.<br> |
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:Nick has told us that he is 16 and we should only go off what we know. |
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::Unfourtantly, basic math and common sense dosen't go well often here. until we get a citation, or some epidsodic proof, someone's gonna keep reverting. <font face="Lucida Grande">[[User:Pacific Coast Highway|Pacific Coast Highway]] <sup>([[User talk:Pacific Coast Highway|blah]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pacific Coast Highway|typa-typa]])</sup> 23:44, 10 June 2006 (UTC)</font> |
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Well, I'm glad ''this'' debate is now over with... [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 06:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC) |
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== Citations needed == |
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I'm beginning to go through and add the {{tl|Citation needed}} template to statements in articles needing it, since there are currently.... none, and it's really needed. I'd recommend everyone doing the same to any statement they come across that looks like it needs it. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 01:38, 10 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:I gotta find those 2 min commercials about the bending styles and their influences. [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 05:21, 10 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:: Will this work? http://www.nicksplat.com/Whatsup/200508/31000118.html [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 05:24, 10 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Those two minute commercials are on Nick.com. They are: [http://www.nick.com/turbonick/index.jhtml?extvideoid=25940 waterbending], [http://www.nick.com/turbonick/index.jhtml?extvideoid=25942 earthbending], [http://www.nick.com/turbonick/index.jhtml?extvideoid=25939 firebending], [http://www.nick.com/turbonick/index.jhtml?extvideoid=25941 airbending] [[User:PrimeCupEevee|<font color="brown">PCEevee</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:PrimeCupEevee|''<font color="brown">talk</font>'']]</sup> 11:57, 10 June 2006 (UTC) |
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== Working on Zuko == |
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Okay, I did a lot of work on Zuko. Most of it was in the Relationships (not Family) section. I pretty much tried to cite the major/significant interactions he has with each person in the context of how it relates to his specific relationship with them. Before I felt like they were mostly a mish-mash of relevant and irrelevant information, not terribly well-expressed and sometimes with what I felt to be very egregious omissions. I was pretty much trying to make each section adhere to its implied purpose: to elucidate on the nature of the particular relationship he has with each character. They could very possibly be further wikified and I tried to be as concise as possible without giving any relationships the shaft. Any thoughts are welcome since I more or less want to do the same thing in the Family section. |
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I also have my eye on his history which I have a real jones to put in chronological order since information revealed in season one (such as things from The Storm) has been fully integrated into that section, but information from season two (like things from Zuko Alone) seem much more tacked on. I just think it would be an easier read and better serve its purpose if it didn't jump around so much. Plus, the Personality section contains a lot of redundant information that honestly has nothing to do with his personality, really. [[User:Raceberry|Raceberry]] 19:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:I haven't read the entire page, but I really like what you've done with the parts I have read, and I support your further efforts. Maybe we can make Zuko a model page for what this WikiProject is aiming for in article quality, once article quality is complete. I'll be sure to offer some other comments when I have time to fully critique the article. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 04:08, 13 June 2006 (UTC) |
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::Thanks. Figuring out a style for the articles, so to speak, is what I was trying to do when I started working on it because I feel like having some uniformity and clarity of purpose with the character pages is a great starting place for upping their general quality. I'll probably be tackling the history and personality today. [[User:Raceberry|Raceberry]] 10:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC) |
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== Media information page? == |
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Is it usual for television programs to have their own seperate "media information" pages? I haven't seen it for other series on Wiki, nor in the guidelines, though I may be missing something. It seems to me like most of the info on the page we have belongs on the main page, unless I'm in error about the standards held for this sort of thing. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 04:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:The main article was getting way too long, in my opinion, and I followed the example on ''[[Cardcaptor Sakura]]'' and [[Cardcaptor Sakura media information]], where I first saw such a division. I guess I never double-checked the actual standards about the procedure.. but it seems a worthwhile split, since a "media" article can potentially contain a lot of relevant content. |
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:Though I've read a discussion recently that argued how article length is becoming less important with the increasing use of broadband. Add in the Table of Contents for articles, and you have an easy navigation. So.. if it's supposed to be merged back, then okay. I just thought it'd be tidier this way. x.x --[[User:Crisu|Crisu]] 05:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC) |
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::Well, I was hoping someone could bring some further insight into this, but since not I guess I'll poke around a bit and see what I can find... it's not that I hate the idea or anything, it just struck me as a little bit odd since I hadn't really seen it used elsewhere (though obviously there is at least one example, and it does look pretty extensive--way too much info for a main page probably). I'll see what I can find! [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 05:23, 18 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Organizationally, I think it makes sense to divide the article a bit. Heck, we could integrate every episode page and every character information into the main page, but it just becomes too heavy then. Sure, the page filesize isn't significant, but it's still clumsy and confusing. [[User:MOF|MOF]] 05:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC) |
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==Character quotes?== |
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Character quotes have been added to the top of all of the character pages lately, but I'm not so sure that this fits encyclopedic entries. Any thoughts on this? [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 03:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC) |
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: I think this ties in with my questions about quotes on the episode pages. Do we want these sites to look like magazine articles or as dictionary pages? I say we make a Wikiquote page for Avatar and organize it by episode (still a limit of 5), and then remove all the quotes where they aren't necessary.[[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 05:46, 14 June 2006 (UTC) |
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: I don't ''hate'' the quotes at the top of all of the character pages/sections, but I do see how that feels more fansite-y than encyclopedic. I also agree with H2P that since Wikiquote does exist, there's no real reason to just list quotes on any Avatar-related pages unless they're embedded in the article. [[User:Raceberry|Raceberry]] 10:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC) |
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: I've felt iffy about them, too. Yes, they're nice and decorative, but I agree that it makes them less encyclopedic. I could suggest that they be moved to the middle of the article, but that wouldn't be a 100% fix either. I support the Wikiquote thing, especially since everyone wants to add quotes to all the episode articles. --[[User:Crisu|Crisu]] 13:37, 14 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:There's making a page look pretty, and there's making a page look pretty and have information. I have no idea where those cquote thingies fall into. <font face="Lucida Grande">[[User:Pacific Coast Highway|Pacific Coast Highway]] <sup>([[User talk:Pacific Coast Highway|blah]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pacific Coast Highway|typa-typa]])</sup> 15:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)</font> |
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::If we want both informative and.. uh.. "pretty".. perhaps an option would be to replace the quotes ''from'' the character with a descriptive quote ''about'' the character. As a poor example, Zuko's quote could be what Iroh says in [[The Chase (Avatar: The Last Airbender episode)|The Chase]]: "His life has recently changed, and he's going through very difficult times. He's trying to figure out who he is, and he went away." That rather describes him quite well. Though I personally think no quote is the best option. [[User:MOF|MOF]] 10:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:I tend to agree. My thoughts are that despite potentially making pages look "pretty", quote shouldn't be included in encyclopedic entries in that manner; if nothing else, that's what Wikiquote is for. Quotes seem to be everywhere on Avatar pages (particularly the episode summaries, unfortunately), but for a articles on an animated television series they should really be used sparingly, and they certainly aren't notable enough to be the opening of a page; in addition, their inclusion is based on someone's [[WP:NPOV|point of view]]. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 05:20, 18 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:: So.. '''move to delete'''? Is it hard to start a Wikiquote page? Then if anyone happens to throw in quotes, we'll easy ship them off to the appropriate place. --[[User:Crisu|Crisu]] 03:30, 19 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Actually, there already is a Wikiquote page: [[q:Avatar: The Last Airbender|Avatar: The Last Airbender]] [[User:MOF|MOF]] 03:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC) |
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::::Hi guys I didn't actually contribute any quotes, I just formatted the ones I found on the pages, I do like the way they look, and the way they instantly define a character so I vote to keep. No reason for us to avoid pleasing aesthetics while maintaining npov. --[[User:Basique|Basique]] 15:35, 19 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::I really do not believe that these quotes instantly define a character, for what quote should be included for a character is something that is subjective. For example, some people may think that the quote "The Boulder feels conflicted about fighting a young blind girl" defines the Boulder, "My aura has never been pinker!" defines Ty Lee, and "You must know the pain of losing a first born son... by sacrificing your own!" defines Fire Lord Azulon, but I certainly do not. Now we could comb through every character's page and democratically decide on what quote "best" defines each character, but besides being impractical, that too is a subjective opinion (assuming a majority vote could even be reached for each character). Thus, I see these quotes as point of view, and hence things that should be '''moved to Wikiquote'''. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 16:18, 19 June 2006 (UTC) |
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::::::*'''Move to Wikiquote'''; <font face="Lucida Grande">[[User:Pacific Coast Highway|Pacific Coast Highway]] <sup>([[User talk:Pacific Coast Highway|blah]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pacific Coast Highway|typa-typa]])</sup> 03:27, 20 June 2006 (UTC)</font> |
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::::Hmm, didn't know the wikiquote thing was already up and running, I'll get started on moving all those tomorrow... er, today [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 05:33, 20 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::I'll start helping in the moves as well. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 18:42, 1 July 2006 (UTC) |
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<strike>I'd agree with removing most of the quotes, but the Iroh ones in the various nation's descriptions (taken, I believe, from the lesson he gave Zuko in [[Bitter Work]]) seem appropriate in my opinion, if perhaps requiring qualification. --[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 18:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)</strike> |
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:Never mind, on a rethink, they'd be more trouble than they're worth.--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 19:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::Yeah I didn't really want to remove them, that was my favorite scene out of the entire series so far. I did it because I removed the quotes everywhere else. I can't remember, but I think someone else already switched all pages to have a Wikiquote reference. After being on Wikiquote, I've decided not to touch that anymore, it would require minute by minute monitoring to protect from: Incorrect quoting, no much quoting, and unneccary quoting even after I posted a guideline in the talk section. It's things like that that make me wish editing was only allowed for registered members. [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC) |
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==Character titles== |
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I'd like to suggest that characters titles be removed from their names--for example, making "Prince Zuko" simply "Zuko", "Admiral Zhao" simply Zhao, etc. This is how many other fictional characters in other series and movies are handled on Wikipedia (i.e. [[Captain Jean Luc Picard|Captain Jean-Luc Picard]] is a redirect to [[Jean-Luc Picard]]), and for a variety of reasons. Besides these titles not being an actual part of the character's names (even if they are commonly referred to it), in many cases their inclusion isn't consistent (i.e., if it's "Avatar Roku", shouldn't it also be "Avatar Aang"?"), it solves any problem concerning rank and promotion (i.e. no confusion over "Commander Zhao" and "Admiral Zhao"), and it in some cases it makes little sense to include them--for example, "Uncle Iroh" is only "Uncle" to Zuko and Azula. On a more minor note, doing so would also serve to make the Avatar template navigational box less wide. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 18:56, 1 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:I agree that this would be best. Especially since, as you've pointed out, it's inconsistent. [[User:Raceberry|Raceberry]] 06:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:It's pretty hard ''not'' to agree to this. [[User:MOF|MOF]] 05:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:Very good; I will start the process of having the names changed shortly. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 05:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC) |
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==Azula's Age== |
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There's now an idiotic editwar going as regards Azula's age. The creators supposedly said that she was "the same age as Sokka" last year at Comicon, based on which she's long-since been listed here as 15. Recently the official Nick site updated with bios for Azula, Mai, Ty Lee, and others and Azula's clearly stated that she is 14. People insist on changing it back to 15 despite documentation. I am getting vexed. [[User:Raceberry|Raceberry]] 04:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:Join the club, [[Firebender]] has an edit war too. Though your's is taking top billing. -H2P |
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::Edit wars... let's try to nip these in the bud before they get too inflamed. If nothing else, tag the page for article dispute, and see if we can't sort them out; when other people are brought to help remedy these debate, I doubt too many of them will deny the facts (which are what both of you are arguing in your respective edit wars). [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 06:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC) |
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=="To-do list" usage== |
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Since usage of the WikiProject's "To-do list" hasn't really skyrocketed, I thought that I should bring this up. There are numerous pages out there relating to the show that need to be fixed (or created), as we all know (or else we wouldn't be having this WikiProject, of course), and if utilized, the To-do list can be a powerful tool to help us in our pursuits because it makes clear to all WikiProject members what pages need work, and what work needs to be done on these pages. As such, I'd like to strongly encourage everyone to identify articles that need work and place them in the "Open Tasks" pane of the To-do list for all to see and hopefully take-up working on. I've gone ahead and moved the To-do list to the top of the WikiProject page to put greater emphasis on it and also make it more noticeable to everyone. (Also, it's fine if you remove the articles that are currently listed; those were mainly just up to be "fillers" to make everyone look good when I first created the WikiProject). The To-do list can be a great help to us; let's not pass it up! [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 06:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:This is getting annoying. How are we supposed to make these pages better when we are constantly having to babysit them from idiots who keep adding speculation and pointless crap? No wonder Wiki gets knocked down for it's ability to let everyone edit.[[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 17:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC) |
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== "Recently"? == |
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I've noticed many articles have something along the lines of this, taken from [[Katara#Toph]]: "The two have been recently at odds with each other after Toph refused to help set up their campsites." Now, I'm of the mind that saying "recently" or some such referring to episodes that recently aired is inappropriate, but I thought I'd get a few opinions here before going through and removing all instances of it.--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 18:52, 12 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:How about we change it to "as of EPISODE". I do agree that the way it's currently worded it makes it sound like a news article rather than a reference. [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 20:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC) |
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==Discussion on "Structural Guidelines"== |
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From the WikiProject main page:<br /> |
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'''''Structural guidelines''''' ''encompass guidelines for how information relating to the show is broken up and distributed by categories, articles, sections, and templates, as well as the format for all articles within a category and the format for all templates. These guidelines are detailed below; feel free to discuss them on the talk page.'' |
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Format guidelines for the articles within the below categories are currenty under discussion: |
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*[[:Category:Avatar: The Last Airbender characters]] |
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*[[:Category:Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes]] |
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*[[:Category:Avatar: The Last Airbender nations]]<br /> |
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---<br /> |
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The aim of this discussion is to finalize a uniform page structure for all pages within their respective Avatar sub-categories. It'll require some reworking and rewriting of current page sections, and everyone's input is a necessity in making this decision. Let's start hammering these out. |
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===[[:Category:Avatar: The Last Airbender characters]]=== |
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Personally, I really like the work [[User:Raceberry|Raceberry]] did on the Prince Zuko page, and would love to see a similar format applied to all of the Avatar main character pages. The way the pages would be layed out would be like this: |
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*History |
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*Story |
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**Book 1: Water |
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**Book 2: Earth |
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**Book 3: Fire (in the future, of course) |
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*Personality |
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*Family |
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**"Family member A" (if relationship to family member is notable) |
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**"Family member B" (if relationship to family member is notable) |
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**(etc.) |
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**Other (would denote any minor relationships with family members, if applicable) |
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*Relationships |
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**"Relationship A" |
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**"Relationship B" |
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**(etc.) |
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**Other (would denote any minor relationships, if applicable) |
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There could also be some necessary exceptions, like maybe an "Avatar" section for the Aang's page, though maybe these things could be subsections as well. Also, I'm not really sure how to incorporate the "bending" sections that (only some) character pages currently have; maybe the "Personality" section could be renamed "Character", with two subsections: "Personality" and "xxxbending". |
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What are your thoughts on how these pages should be set up? [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 22:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC) |
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: Well with all of the main characters being benders besides Sokka, why don't we just make a second catagory for bending information and just omit it from Sokka's page? [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 05:26, 20 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:: I'm good with that template. And would it also work to have a Bending section on Sokka's page but talk about how he doesn't have the ability (and instead put all of his "He's just as a capable as a warrior and engineer" stuff there)? --[[User:Crisu|Crisu]] 13:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::How about a more general section labeled “Abilities” where we can discuss bending (what they bend, how skilled they are at it, and so forth) when its applicable along with any other skills or abilities they may have, such as weapons they may be able to use, things like that. --[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 15:53, 20 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:::That sounds good to me. And for characters who have bending abilities as well as other notable abilities, i.e. Zuko's firebending abilitiy and his sword-fighting ability, this Abilities section could be further broken down into subsections. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 19:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC) |
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== Creatures == |
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Ok guys, I'm finally gonna start work on the Avatar creatures. Now, per some other talk page, I'm only going to include creatures that don't exist in our world. Now all I gotta know is how you guys want me to organize them. Should it be by book and then by name like the Minor Characters page or does anyone else have an idea? [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 05:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC) |
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: About how many unique creatures are there? If not too many, then perhaps just an alphabetical listing. Otherwise if there are as many of them as there are minor characters, then I'll vote for the book-then-name format. --[[User:Crisu|Crisu]] 13:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::There are about one-two per episode [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 19:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:I say use an alphabetical listing. Many of the creatures reappear throughout the series, and it seems less useful to split up by the page via season-appearance. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 19:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC) |
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Hey guys, I have an update. I sent a message to AvatarSpirit asking if I could use the pictures and descriptions (baring my own rewording) of the unnatural creatures. Here is both my letter and their reply:<br> |
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"Hi<br> |
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How's that for an introduction? My name is Bryan, more notably known as HeirToPendragon pretty much anywhere on the web I go. Including over at wikipedia where I am one of the active members in the Avater: The Last Airbender WikiProject. Currently I am working on building a creatures page over there. However, I don't have 15.5+ hours to devote to cruising every episode of Avatar to find the obscure creatures unique to their world. So I was wondering if I could use your pictures and modified versions of your descriptions over on Wikipedia for these first 31 episodes (which will, undoubtably, be changed until they are unrecognizable).<br> |
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I can give your pictures complete referencing at the bottom of yet another Wikipedia page and cite your descriptions as a reference.<br> |
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I would still have to approve the use of these with the rest of the Wikiproject, but I would want the greenlight from you before suggesting it." |
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And their reply: |
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"Bryan,<br> |
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Thanks for the email. After conferring with the rest of the staff, we're happy to give you the greenlight to use the creature profiles in the manner you describe below.<br> |
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Best of luck with the rest of the project. I see you guys everyday battling valiantly against ninja editors who insert crap and that can't be fun. I'm sure with the effort you're all putting in, though, the outcome will be an outstanding Wiki article.<br> |
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All the best,<br> |
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Chris |
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(Acastus@ASN)" |
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Well the acknowledgement is nice of them :-) |
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So now I need the greenlight from you guys. I realize we are having problems with plagarism, but I know to change the wording around and only use it as a backbone to a rewritten description. I will also use the same citation for AvatarSpirit as what is used on the main article. [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 04:37, 22 July 2006 (UTC) |
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==The current mess== |
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===Future episode information=== |
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The user {{User|Father's Wish}}, along with a slew of anonymous users, has recently been going through and making numerous page additions concerning plot information and title information for the next 4 episodes, namely on the pages for [[Secret of the Fire Nation, Part 1]], [[Secret of the Fire Nation, Part 2]], [[City of Walls and Secrets]], [[List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes]], and [[Earth Kingdom]], and has created a new page for an apparantly new episode, [[Tales of Ba Sing Se]]. However, despite continually asking these users for references, and my best efforts searching for the source of this information on my own, I have found nothing that validates these additions. Can anyone confirm that all of this information is in fact true? [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 20:01, 20 July 2006 (UTC) EDIT: It actually wasn't [[User:Father's Wish|Father's Wish]] who created "[[Tales of Ba Sing Se]]", but [[User:Xair|Xair]]. |
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:Yeah it's starting to tick me off, but I'm tired of reverting it. I swear I'm abusing the [[Wikipedia:Three-revert rule|3RR]] rule atleast twice a day now. [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 20:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:And I just reached my limit on the Earth Kingdom page. [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 20:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::I've posted on Father's Wish's talk page asking for his source. Until we have a source, though, the info is a clear violation of [[WP:Verifiability]].--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 21:50, 20 July 2006 |
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::I've also marked three of the upcoming articles with [[Template: unreferenced]]. I'd recommend we do this rather than delete unsourced info, at least until Father's Wish has a chance to reply to his talk page.--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 22:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:Although I did see an entry for Tales of Ba Sing Se on TV.com, the rest sounds like a bunch of speculation. --[[User:Redsparta|redsparta]] 21:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::I'm not too knowlegable on TV.com workings, but isn't that not a reliable source, as anyone can add information to it? [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 02:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:::I'm pretty sure there's a few "editors" that get selected for shows, or so from what I've heard. I've seen some people on AvatarSpirit say that one of the editors for the Avatar: The Last Airbender page has a contact at Nick who supposedly passes along information to him, but right now I'm trying to take some of these titles like "Journey to Ba Sing Se" and "The Drill" with much caution until I see more sources. --[[User:Redsparta|redsparta]] 04:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC) |
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The following link was added to the [[List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes]] <sup>([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender_episodes&action=history Page history])</sup> article and is the "proof" for all of these changes, according to [[User:68.74.190.193|68.74.190.193]] (who reffered to my page reverts as "vandalism" on the grounds of this link): "[http://distanthorizons.proboards31.com/index.cgi?board=avspoiler&action=display&thread=1153376556 Episode Spoiler straight from Nick.com]". But as you can see, that link actually points to a non-existant Distant Horizon forum post, not Nick.com. And after checking (again), I've found that no such spoilers exist on Nick.com anyway. This is really appearing to be vandalism. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 04:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:He "fixed" the link, in that it now goes some where but not to Nick. Now while the pictures on these boards look authentic, I still say that the source is not viable enough to post episode titles and plots when all those could easily change. [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 05:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:I completely agree with you, and so does [[WP:RS]]. The "fixed link" (which, for those of you who don't know, goes to http://distanthorizons.proboards31.com/index.cgi?board=trash&action=display&thread=1153376556&page=1) goes to a forum post, which is not a reliable source. Unless he can present ''published'' evidence, none of that info belongs on Wikipedia. Hopefully he'll choose to back down on this (soon). [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 06:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::Agreed. This stuff is somewhat interesting, but what ultimately seems to track back to a leak at Nick can't be considered reliable.--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 16:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC) |
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In addition to a lot of page reverts lately, I've gone ahead and proposed [[Tales of Ba Sing Se]] (along with [[When there was you and me]], see two sections below) for deletion. Though if someone removes the tag, which wouldn't surprise me we'll have to go through the lengthy, "controversial deletion" process, which would be unfortunate. Also, it's worth noting that {{User|Father's Wish}} recently did respond to Fyre2397's comment on his talk page, redsparta, though with additional unreliable sources. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 23:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:Damn it, an anonymous user, who is probably [[User:Father's Wish|Father's Wish]], has removed the proposed deletion tag from [[Tales of Ba Sing Se]] (though as of right now [[When there was you and me]] remains untouched). Looks like we'll have to do this the hard way. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 15:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::Can't say I'm suprised, though. Oh well, time to start drafting my comment for the debate, I guess...--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 16:09, 22 July 2006 (UTC) |
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Blast it, I've hit three reverts on [[List_of_Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender_episodes]], could somebody else keep an eye on it?--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 17:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:With pleasure. I've also written {{User|Father's Wish}} a message on his talk page concerning the issues of the plagairized content as well as the content from Distant Horizon. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 18:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::This unregistered user keeps editing that crap onto the episode list, and, unfortunately, I'm still under the umbrella of [[WP:3RR|3RR]] for that article. He's been told it violates policy numerous times, but he's ignoring everyone...anyone know what we can really do here?--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 02:50, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:::I've added a "Request for comment" section to the talk page and tagged the [[List of Avatar: The Last Airbender]] page with the {{tl|dispute}} tag and several {{tl|dubious}} templates in hopes of creating a discussion on the matter in the talk page and hopefully convincing Father's Wish/his unregistered persona to stop what they're doing. If this doesn't work, we can take it to mediation and later arbitration if necessary, as per [[Wikipedia:Dispute]]. We can also call him out on his own breaking of the 3RR rule; I've already warned him about this, so if he does it anymore, he can have his account temporarily suspended. I can tell that we're going to have to use every channel available to help end this mess. [[User:Prototime|{{{2|Prototime}}}]] ([[User talk:Prototime|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prototime|contribs]]) 03:48, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::::...and {{User|68.74.121.62}} just removed all of these tags. Great, now I've broken 3RR to restore them... I don't think it'll be a problem, since it was an act of vandalism to remove those tags, but I can't help but feel overwhelmingly frustrated that it's come to this. –[[User:Prototime|{{{2|Prototime}}}]] ([[User talk:Prototime|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prototime|contribs]]) 04:20, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::I'm with you...this is driving me nuts, we have to spend so much time policing Avatar articles we hardly get to actually add content.--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 04:28, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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===Plagiarism=== |
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The following message from [[User:Redsparta|redsparta]] comes from [[Talk:List_of_minor_secondary_characters_of_Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender]] (hopefully me copying this message isn't plagiarism as well, lol): |
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''"It has recently come to my attention that a bunch of the bios and the like were copied and pasted directly from Nick's new Avatar site by [[User:Father's Wish|Father's Wish]]. The bulk of it were exact replicas with no more than one or two words changed, maybe a name. I recently went through and tediously changed as much as I could but I have a feeling it's going to stop anytime soon judging from the "Secret of the Fire Nation, Part 1", "Secret of the Fire Nation, Part 2", "City of Walls and Secrets" and episode list pages and the neglectation (is that even a word) of many warnings to stop and, as of now, no response from his talk page. I have seen the same act of plagiarism added to the Earth Kingdom and Fire Nation pages as well. --[[User:Redsparta|redsparta]] 10:30, 21 July 2006 (UTC)"'' |
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I wanted to further bring this to everyone's attention. This plagairized info needs to be identified and removed. I just removed a ton of it from the [[Earth Kingdom]] page--more than half of the entire page was plagairized! Some of it was hidden in between non-plagiarized text as well, so this will require a somewhat-extensive review of the pages in question. I'm still not even sure I got it all off of the Earth Kingdom page. (Also, it's worth noting that {{User|Father's Wish}} recently did respond to Fyre2397's comment on his talk page, redsparta). [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 22:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:I just realized, while I was going through [[User:Father's Wish]]'s talk page my comment was not there, niether was it in the history. The only explanation I can think of is it must have gotten lost in the shuffle as I submitted it not long after I reverted and deleted as much as I could of the plagiarised text on "[[List of minor secondary characters of Avatar: The Last Airbender]]" as, not long after that, I was having much trouble even getting some pages to load and some of my recent edits wouldn't show up until they were done upgrading the severs Thursday night. --[[User:Redsparta|Redsparta]] 22:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::That sucks. Recently though, I posted a comment on his talk page myself concerning the massive plagairism and the Distant Horizon "source"; you can feel free to add any comments to mine, if you'd like. –[[User:Prototime|{{{2|Prototime}}}]] ([[User talk:Prototime|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prototime|contribs]]) 05:31, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:::I really don't think he's listening to our polite objections anymore [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 05:34, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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=== [[When there was you and me]]??? === |
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What in the world is this? It has an IMDB entry, but it seems to be totally manufactured...anyone have a clue what the story here is?--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 22:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:As far as I can gather from forum posts, it is ''only'' an IMBD entry, and nothing proves its existence. And pardon my french, but what the hell is going on here lately?! A slew of unverifiable information,tons of plagarized info from Nick.com, edit-wars spanning numerous pages... [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 22:39, 21 July 2006 (UTC) |
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I've looked, and IMDB is, well, full of crap about future epsiodes of Avatar, to put it mildly. Someone submited a bunch of false epsiode entires, and they were approved, somehow. Everything after "City of Walls and Secrets" on this page: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417299/episodes#year-2006 is, well, as I said, crap.--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 22:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:I've gone ahead and proposed both this page and [[Tales of Ba Sing Se]] for deletion. If someone removes the tag from a page, which wouldn't surprise me we'll have to go through the lengthy, "controversial deletion" process, which would be unfortunate. [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 23:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::Hopefully this won't end up going through the votes for deletion process, although I have a sinking feeling it will. If it does, though, I'm fairly certain the community consensus would be to delete.--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 03:27, 22 July 2006 (UTC) |
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===Source of recent controversies=== |
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As has been mentioned, {{User|Father's Wish}}, along with a slew of anonymous users (which are almost certainly him as well), has recently been going through and adding a massive amount of unverifiable information to [[Secret of the Fire Nation, Part 1]], [[Secret of the Fire Nation, Part 2]], [[City of Walls and Secrets]], [[List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes]], and [[Earth Kingdom]], as well adding as a massive amount of plagairized information to [[List of minor secondary characters of Avatar: The Last Airbender]], [[Earth Kingdom]] and [[Fire Nation]]. In addition, two new episode articles have popped up, [[Tales of Ba Sing Se]] and [[When there was you and me]], both of which originate (sfrom unreliable sources. It's interesting to note that the creators of these two articles are both extremely new users, and have done little else; {{User|Xair}} created [[Tales of Ba Sing Se]], and {{User|Kashdadon}} created [[When there was you and me]]--check out their contributions pages to see what else they've done on Wikipedia, which is nothing. Sound suspicious? I'm beginning to wonder if at least some of these accounts are owned by the same person. Is there anyway this can be checked out? [[User:Prototime|Prototime]] 23:44, 21 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:So we've got some Sock accounts running around destroying our pages? Great. [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 03:28, 22 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::I haven’t been able to keep proper track of these issues (only so many brushfires I can try and throw water on at once) but if they are doing Sock attacks, it can (and should) be reported here: [[Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets]].--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 03:35, 22 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Gotta love the internets. But seriously, this whole adding original research (and like the ''When there was you and me'' nonsense, which smells a lot like someone's fanfic) needs to end. Have we tried protecting/semipreotecting pages yet, or it's not that bad? <font face="Lucida Grande">[[User:Pacific Coast Highway|Pacific Coast Highway]] <sup>([[User talk:Pacific Coast Highway|blah]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pacific Coast Highway|Closed Captioned]])</sup> 03:57, 23 July 2006 (UTC)</font> |
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::::[[Firebender]] is semi-protected, but as far as I know its the only Avatar-realted article that is.--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 04:03, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:::::Your welcome :-P [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 05:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::::I believe [[Aang]]'s page is as well.--[[User:Redsparta|Redsparta]] 04:26, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::::It's definetley getting to the point where more pages should have this. If the anonymous users (who are almost certainly {{User|Father's Wish}} keep attacking pages like [[List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes]], I'll be requesting semi-protection for some of the pages, and full protection if it comes to it. This is becoming very tiredesome. (Also, in regards to the socks, I think we should probably wait and see if any further evidence surfaces; I'm not sure we have much of a case, yet). –[[User:Prototime|{{{2|Prototime}}}]] ([[User talk:Prototime|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prototime|contribs]]) 04:54, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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===Your input is needed!=== |
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A couple of discussions have been starting with aims of (hopefully) ending some of the recent controversies plaguing the pages. It'd help greatly if you could add your input to these discussions: |
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*[[Talk:List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes#Request for Comment: Verifiability of recent additions]] concerning the recent additions to the page and others with information sourced from a Distant Horizon forum post |
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*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tales of Ba Sing Se]]: for the deletion of the article [[Tales of Ba Sing Se]], which is based entirely on an IMDB entry |
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Thanks. –[[User:Prototime|{{{2|Prototime}}}]] ([[User talk:Prototime|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prototime|contribs]]) 04:10, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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Just thought I'd tell you guys, I've reported the anon to the [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard|Administrators' noticeboard]] at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR#User:68.74.121.62 reported by User:Ned Scott (Result:24 hours)]]. I've also noted your discussion here and that this is related to a larger mess. It's pretty clear that the user(s) are going against consensus, and probably violating policy. Hopefully things will get cleared up pretty soon. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 07:24, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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: Ned's notice has gotten a 24-hour ban on that IP; I updated the link. --[[User:Crisu|Crisu]] 17:15, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::Meh, his IP rotated, he's editing the article again. Totally ignoring the consensus on the talk page, unsurprisingly.--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 17:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:::I think it's safe to say that this is now an issue of vandalism via [[WP:V]] violation and being against an established consensus, as such I wouldn't worry about the 3RR when removing this guy's statements. Just be sure to note this discussion in your edit summary so admins can understand what's going on. Someone also might want to request temp. [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection|semi-protection]] for the list of eps, which will make it so that anons can't edit. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 20:22, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::::I'd request the protection myself, but I gotta run back to work. Best of luck.-- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 20:32, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Because the anonymous user has completely disregarded community consensus, I have requested that [[List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes]] be [[WP:SPP|semi-protected]]; see [[Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes .28edit.7Ctalk.7Clinks.7Chistory.7Clogs.29]]. And thanks for requesting this user get blocked for violating 3RR, Ned... hopefully, between all of this, it'll send a message to this user and we'll finally get some results. –[[User:Prototime|{{{2|Prototime}}}]] ([[User talk:Prototime|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prototime|contribs]]) 22:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::::I really hope your protection thing works Proto. It's getting annoying having to babysit these pages. Oh and by the way I still need input on a question I posed about the creatures page (^) and I need help trying to figure out what copyright I have to give on the card pictures I posted on the Minor Characters page. [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 22:23, 23 July 2006 (UTC) |
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w00t, we now have protection on the list of episodes. [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 04:38, 24 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:It's always good to make a step in the right direction. Hopefully this will all end soon. <font face="Lucida Grande">[[User:Pacific Coast Highway|Pacific Coast Highway]] <sup>([[User talk:Pacific Coast Highway|blah]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pacific Coast Highway|Closed Captioned]])</sup> 04:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC)</font> |
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:hopefully this will help. --[[User:Redsparta|Redsparta]] 05:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:''sigh''. Now it turns out they created a new page titled "[[List of Avatar: The Last Airbender episodes2]]" and they changed link to the episodes list on the [[Template:Avatar]] page to there instead. I reverted it back but this is getting really old. --[[User:Redsparta|Redsparta]] 05:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::A number of anonymous users, and two new users have been doing this and vandalising the [[Secret of the Fire Nation, Part 2]] and [[Tales of Ba Sing Se]] pages lately.... it doesn't require much to figure out who this is. I'm reporting sock-puppetry to Wikipedia; I'll have a link to the report soon. –[[User:Prototime|{{{2|Prototime}}}]] ([[User talk:Prototime|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prototime|contribs]]) 05:31, 24 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:::I wish you better results than I've been getting. --[[User:Redsparta|Redsparta]] 05:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC) |
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Actually I'm just a low life reverting it every 5 mins or so, dont have time to check all the time. :) {{unsigned2|01:49, 24 July 2006|68.74.184.92}} |
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:I doubt me saying anything is going to work, but it'd really do both of us a lot of good if you'd just stop. –[[User:Prototime|{{{2|Prototime}}}]] ([[User talk:Prototime|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prototime|contribs]]) 05:58, 24 July 2006 (UTC) |
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Can't stop, must fight for truth. {{unsigned2|02:01, 24 July 2006|68.74.184.92}} |
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:At what cost? Losing your Father's Wish account and all the others, so that you'll never have the ability to contribute any other truth to Wikipedia in the future, just over this one instance? –[[User:Prototime|{{{2|Prototime}}}]] ([[User talk:Prototime|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prototime|contribs]]) 06:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC) |
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Lets hope [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrator_intervention_against_vandalism&diff=65504128&oldid=65502972 this] helps. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 06:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC) |
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not really, im still fighting for the truth, you are the vandals for eliminating the truth and putting false information. Where did you get the episode title "Secrets of the Firenation Part 1"? Please ban those people that reported me because I'm absolutely innocent. {{unsigned2|68.74.184.92|02:21, 24 July 2006}} |
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:You know what, I believe you when you say that the information is the truth, but you still broke the rules, and we didn't. If you don't want to play by the rules then go to another wiki. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 06:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC) |
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Wont give up until you guys admit you're wrong and I'm right. {{unsigned2|02:57, 24 July 2006|68.74.117.57}} |
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:I don't need to sleep [[User:HeirToPendragon|H2P]] 06:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC) |
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but i do seeya later {{unsigned2|03:00, 24 July 2006|68.74.117.57}} |
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Everyone's input is also needed on [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:Avatar23]].--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 19:19, 24 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:This is pathetic...he's vandalizing the TfD vote, for God's sake...--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 19:38, 24 July 2006 (UTC) |
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===Regarding the current insanity=== |
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Please see and contribute to [[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Father's Wish]], if you'd like... –[[User:Prototime|{{{2|Prototime}}}]] ([[User talk:Prototime|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prototime|contribs]]) 07:03, 24 July 2006 (UTC) |
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:I'm not sure if the admins just can't do much to block him because of the dynamic IP, or if they're not understanding that the user can easily evade blocks. Hopefully Prototime's evidence page will make things clear. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 07:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC) |
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::I really hope so. Unfortunately, I must be off to bed... I hope that things will have greatly improved by the time I check this tomorrow. –[[User:Prototime|{{{2|Prototime}}}]] ([[User talk:Prototime|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prototime|contribs]]) 07:20, 24 July 2006 (UTC) |
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Well, the main Avatar article is s-protected, so now he's comming after this very page. Cute, very cute.--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] 01:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC) |
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