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2024–25 WikiProject Weather Good Article Reassessment
I would like to announce that a new task force has been created to re-examine the status of every GA in the project. Many good articles have not been reviewed in quite a while (15+ years for some) and notability requirements have changed quite a bit over the years. The goal of this task force is to save as many articles as possible. Anyone not reviewing an article may jump in to help get it up to par if it does not meet the GA requirements. The process will start officially on February 1 and will continue until every article has been checked and either kept or delisted. The task force may be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Weather/2024–25 Good Article Reassessment. Noah, AATalk 15:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Articles under review
Snowstorm lists for other southern states and regions?
Any thoughts on creating snow articles for other states and regions such as Texas and Georgia, and perhaps regional areas such as Southern California, San Francisco Bay Area, and other southwestern desert areas? West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 05:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I’d also suggest making a Snow in Hawaii article too. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 05:58, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think rather than creating a Snow in Hawaii article the appropriate place to cover it would be a Mountain Snow section in Climate of Hawaii#Precipitation. DJ Cane (he/him) (Talk) 14:00, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I’m all for that too. But I’d like a list of major snow events. In particular, the 2019 snowstorm that sent a dusting of snow down to 6,000 feet on Maui. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 21:01, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are there enough unique significant snow events that would be too cumbersome to put in Climate of Hawaii? Every blizzard warning up in the mountains causes headlines to drive clicks but that doesn't mean they need individual coverage on Wikipedia. DJ Cane (he/him) (Talk) 21:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- They don’t issue Blizzard Warnings for Hawaii anymore. The weather service put a stop to that because of the media attention. Moving forward, they’ll issue a Winter Storm Warning and a High Wind Warning and mention the possibility of blizzard conditions. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 18:48, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are there enough unique significant snow events that would be too cumbersome to put in Climate of Hawaii? Every blizzard warning up in the mountains causes headlines to drive clicks but that doesn't mean they need individual coverage on Wikipedia. DJ Cane (he/him) (Talk) 21:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I’m all for that too. But I’d like a list of major snow events. In particular, the 2019 snowstorm that sent a dusting of snow down to 6,000 feet on Maui. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 21:01, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think rather than creating a Snow in Hawaii article the appropriate place to cover it would be a Mountain Snow section in Climate of Hawaii#Precipitation. DJ Cane (he/him) (Talk) 14:00, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
I've thought about this, as a parallel to the Snow in Florida article. For what it's worth, that article was once titled "List of snow events in Florida", which was a little clunky, but perhaps something like "List of Florida snow events" would be more natural? And I bring that up because a similar article could be made for other areas. I think it should be handled at a state level, so it could cover the most significant events, plus a general climatology. A "List of Alaska snow events" wouldn't be that useful listing every single event, but if it covered climatology and significant events (like the 1963 event that was apparently the snowiest day in US history) that would be more useful. Some places are better equipped to handle snowstorms, so those should be the lowest on the to do list. But lists for California, Texas, and Georgia would all be useful. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Especially states like North Dakota or Alaska would be right at the bottom of the list if they’re even on the list at all. Only major blizzards would really need to be listed there. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 21:07, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. The project is headed toward having lists of every weather type for every area. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 00:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I would agree with that. Even to a lesser extent tropical cyclones. I think a list of tropical cyclones affecting West Virginia (and other states) would be a good idea too. Even though we don’t get the same hurricane experience that Florida gets. West Virginia has gotten some nasty floods from tropical storms, the occasional windstorm (see Hugo and Ike), tornadoes, and let’s not forget about the time it snowed in October (Sandy); flood lists for each state, as of this writing, we’re two days away from the 2 year anniversary of the deadly Eastern Kentucky floods. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 18:47, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed. The project is headed toward having lists of every weather type for every area. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 00:43, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Coastal Warning Display Tower
I am raising the same issue here as is displayed on this talk page (please make any replies there) to raise awareness of the issue. The article (mentioned in the title) has ZERO citations, there’s barely anything written, and I am seriously contemplating PROD-ing or AfD-ing the article if something isn’t done. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 02:03, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have also posted this message on our parent project’s talk page too. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 02:05, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Twisters (film) has an RfC
Twisters (film) has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 22:20, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Concern regarding the inclusion of fire tornadoes in “Tornadoes of YYYY” articles
It has recently been brought to my attention by @ChessEric that there is a dispute whether or not to include fire tornadoes in “Tornadoes of YYYY” articles. They have been included before in articles such as Tornadoes of 2020 and were included in Tornadoes of 2018 before the dispute was raised by ChessEric. The dispute raised is that since most fire tornadoes do not form in the exact manner as supercell tornadoes they should not be included. The article fire tornado itself barely offers descriptions of notable fire tornadoes. Should fire tornadoes be included in “Tornadoes of YYYY” articles/split into their own section on these articles similar to the “Tornado Research” section recently added, or should an article split be made to Fire tornado such as “List of fire tornadoes”?IrishSurfer21 (talk) 02:22, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- That was not even a fire tornado; it is a fire whirl, which is essentially a dust devil of fire. It doesn't go in there. ChessEric 02:34, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- This issue has been a while coming. Fire tornadoes are not particularly well understood, which means they defy easy classification. Some fire tornadoes have been filmed and reported on, but never surveyed; some have been surveyed and rated, but never given an NCDC entry; still others have been entered as "fire" or "wind" events instead of tornadoes. I have the beginnings of an article, including a list of confirmed fire tornadoes, at User:Penitentes/Fire tornado (draft) if that's at all helpful.
- But as Eric says, many phenomena that the media calls "fire tornadoes" are just fire whirls. Fires contain rotating components at pretty much every scale, only the largest (the ones that are connected to the pyro-convective plume a wildfire generates) are actual fire tornadoes as the science understands them. — Penitentes (talk) 02:35, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
I personally included fire tornadoes in the List of California tornadoes, so I think they could be included in the yearly weather article provided it was as noteworthy as other events; that is, it was deadly or particularly destructive. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 02:57, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Draft:List of Illinois tornadoes
I am currently working on developing Draft:List of Illinois tornadoes, any help is appreciated. I have already reached out to WikiProject Illinois on the matter as well. :) Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 02:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for 1982 Pacific typhoon season
1982 Pacific typhoon season has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
PD-NWS Violations Update #1
I am providing members of the WikiProject of Weather along with users who frequently edit weather-related articles an update to the discussions regarding the PD-NWS image copyright template.
For starters, no "formal" administrative-style rules have occurred. All that means is the template is not formally deprecated and is still in use. However, Rlandmann, an administrator on English Wikipedia, has begun an undertaking of reviewing and assessing all images (~1,400) that use the PD-NWS copyright template.
What we know:
- Following email communications, the National Weather Service of Sioux Falls has removed their disclaimer, which has been used for the PD-NWS template for decades. This means, as far as the National Weather Service is concerned, the following statement is no longer valid:
By submitting images, you understand that your image is being released into the public domain. This means that your photo or video may be downloaded, copied, and used by others.
Currently, the PD-NWS template links to an archived version of the disclaimer. However, the live version of the disclaimer no longer contains that phrase. - See this deletion discussion for this point's information. NWS Paducah (1) failed to give attribution to a photographer of a tornado photograph, (2) placed the photo into the public domain without the photographer explicitly giving them permission to do so (i.e. the photo is not actually in the public domain), (3) and told users to acknowledge NWS as the source for information on the webpage. Oh, to note, this photographer is a magistrate (i.e. a judge). So, the idea of automatically trusting images without clear attribution on weather.gov are free-to-use is in question.
- The Wikimedia Commons has a process known as precautionary principle, where if their is significant doubt that an image is free-to-use, it will be deleted. Note, one PD-NWS file has been deleted under the precautionary principle. The closing administrator remarks for the deletion discussion were: "
Per the precautionary principle, there is "significant doubt" about the public domain status of this file (4x keep + nominator, 5x delete), so I will delete it.
" - Several photographs/images using the PD-NWS are currently mid-deletion discussion, all for various reasonings.
- As of this message, 250 PD-NWS images have been checked out of the ~1,400.
- The photograph of the 1974 Xenia tornado (File:Xenia tornado.jpg) was found to not be in the public domain. It is still free-to-use, but under a CC 2.0 license, which requires attribution. From April 2009 to August 2024, Wikipedia/Wikimedia was incorrectly (and by definition, illegally) using the photograph, as it was marked incorrectly as a public domain photograph.
Solutions:
As stated earlier, there is no "formal" rulings, so no "formal" changes have been made. However, there is a general consensus between editors on things which are safe to do:
- Images made directly by NWS employees can be uploaded and used under the new PD-USGov-NWS-employee template (Usage: {{PD-USGov-NWS-employee}} ). This is what a large number of PD-NWS templated images are being switched to.
- Images from the NOAA Damage Assessment Toolkit (DAT) can be uploaded and used under the PD-DAT template (Usage: {{PD-DAT}} ). A large number of images are also being switched to this template.
For now, you are still welcome to upload images under the PD-NWS template. However, if possible it is recommended using the two templates above. I will send out another update when new information is found or new "rulings" have been made. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 03:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- I’ll add that PD-UsGov-NOAA and PD-NEXRAD are also safe to use. West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 23:37, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- (For images that meet the criteria) West Virginia WXeditor (talk) 23:37, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Jasper wildfire#Requested move 6 August 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Jasper wildfire#Requested move 6 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 07:08, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
Good article reassessment for 2024 Wayanad landslides
2024 Wayanad landslides has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:54, 22 August 2024 (UTC)