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:I'd think that in this case, [[Travellers' Club]] is an alternate way of spelling/searching for the title, and is probably helpful as a redirect. <sup>[[user:ArielGold|<font color="CC66FF">'''Ariel'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ArielGold|<font color="FF69B4">♥</font>]][[User_talk:ArielGold|<font color="0066CC">'''Gold'''</font>]]</sup> 23:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC) |
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Over 200 pages waiting to be deleted!!
Is there some sort of {{Super admin backlog}} tag that I could hit this page with (: VectorPotentialTalk 00:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- Heh. Now there is one... :) I thought in those cases it was customary to simply commence some serious nagging at the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. Femto 13:24, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
- You know, sometimes I think we might need one of those, especially when there are over 300 articles waiting in here... – Riana ঋ 06:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Split off images?
Is it time to split off all of the image nominations to a separate category? Most of the introduction on the pages is taken up with list of image deleting related lists. Then there is the images themselves. Vegaswikian 07:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- No, it's time for some more admins to help clear out the backlog of images. The categories are on this page for a very good reason: so they don't get forgotten. There are literally hundreds of images that have been awaiting so-called "speedy" deletion for several weeks. If more people would help delete them, the "Images/Proposed deletion" section of this page would be greatly reduced. —Angr 09:23, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yeh, with so many admins around, I'm surprised that a lot more don't seem to want to do the grunt work. Maybe it's because doing the images requires a little more knowledge of how things work - in particular, fair use and the plethora of image copyright tags. enochlau (talk) 01:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
- There's that, there's also the fact that deleting images means you have to remove red links from the articles where they were used (which is incredibly time-consuming, but you'll get yelled at if you don't do it), and there's the fact that deleting images means dealing with the onslaught of "Why did you delete my image?" messages on your talk page. It's a thankless job. —Angr 06:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- There are are things like WP:NPW that can help with the redlink issue. It's not streamlined for image deletion, but it works ok most of the time (some infoboxes still cause problems). Maybe we should consider improving the "admin howto" on image deletions. It does seem to be a problem that many admins seem to consider image deletion to be something complicated and scary. Most of it is actualy pretty stright forward, does it have a source? If no then delete etc. (allowing for some common sense in cases where the source is obvious and should just be inserted instead of deleting it). --Sherool (talk) 07:43, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- There's that, there's also the fact that deleting images means you have to remove red links from the articles where they were used (which is incredibly time-consuming, but you'll get yelled at if you don't do it), and there's the fact that deleting images means dealing with the onslaught of "Why did you delete my image?" messages on your talk page. It's a thankless job. —Angr 06:16, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yeh, with so many admins around, I'm surprised that a lot more don't seem to want to do the grunt work. Maybe it's because doing the images requires a little more knowledge of how things work - in particular, fair use and the plethora of image copyright tags. enochlau (talk) 01:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Drop-boxes
I made drop-boxes for the various image subcategories to reduce the clutter. Hope people like it. Mangojuicetalk 17:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- Very nice. Thank you. --Fang Aili talk 19:17, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- Agree, big improvement thanks --BozMo talk 19:34, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
- I like it =) Thanks. enochlau (talk) 01:57, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
right category
A7 is being used for short nonsense pages for which G1 or G2 could more appropriately be used, and it makes it somewhat harder to sort usefully.DGG 09:30, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
- Just drop a message off to those people who are tagging them then... they may be new at it, and might want some guidance. It definitely won't be administrators who are doing it wrong though, because admins would just zap it without tagging it =) enochlau (talk) 01:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Backlog tag
Why are certain admins so hellbent on leaving the backlog tag uncommented, even when there are less than 10 pages displayed on this category? Apparently it's due to the dated deletion categories... since when? Did we agree on this or something? Why the hell would we care about something entirely unrelated to CSD? —Pilotguy (go around) 22:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
- What do you mean "entirely unrelated to CSD"? Those dated deletion categories contain hundreds -- by now, possibly thousands -- of images that need to be deleted right now. They are all speedy deletion candidates, no less so for being in lower categories than CAT:CSD, and no less so for having been speedy deletion candidates for more than two weeks. If the "backlog" tag bothers you, help get rid of it by clearing the backlog of images awaiting deletion. —Angr 05:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, because the tag is obviously causing all the admins to rush over here and clear out ALL THOSE IMAGES! Besides, those categories already have their own backlog tags, do they not? So what's the point? No one gives a flying fuck about them anyway. Why not use the tag for its intended purpose, which is to show when there is a backlog in this category, rather than unnecessarily leave it up when no one agreed to do that in the first place? —Pilotguy (go around) 00:47, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- I was helping with one of the more atrocious image baklogs, I'll get back on it soon hopefully. I agree with Pilotguy, there should be a backlog tag here when there's a backlog here. Those other places have their own backlog tags. Grandmasterka 01:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
- Those aren't "other places". Those are part of "here", because they are all candidates for speedy deletion. They belong in this category, and as long as they haven't been deleted, this category has a backlog. —Angr 06:04, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
You are naive, but whatever. I have removed the backlog tag. As a responsible admin you should refrain from re-instating it prematurely when as you see there is no consensus to do that. —Pilotguy (go around) 00:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- "Naive". For saying that there is an enormous backlog of images awaiting speedy deletion when there is one. You as a "responsible" admin should not remove the backlog tag just because you "don't give a fuck" about images. —Angr 11:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think it is better if the backlog tag is not here, but on the specific image categories. That way, the attention of the hypothetical admin who checks for the backlog tag is drawn to the images instead of the general CSD category when the latter is not backlogged by itself. I think putting the backlog tag here because other categories (that happen to be linked form here) are backlogged is actually counterproductive. Kusma (talk) 11:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Geez, Angr, stop being so immediatist. Wikipedia will not fail simply because a few items that perhaps should be deleted aren't immediately deleted. There is no need to create so much drama over such a minor thing. Kelly Martin (talk) 14:26, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- I see a need to remove the articles as quickly as possible since the longer they exist, the more likely they are to be copied to a shadow and remain there forever. Then we have garbage articles out in several places, that are no longer on wikipedia but do exist in other places with an attribution back to us. I don't believe that the images are as likely to be copied unless they are included in an article. Vegaswikian 19:16, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- The vast majority of images tagged for deletion are copyright violations. Keeping them here puts Wikimedia in legal jeopardy. Deleting them is much, much more important than deleting the "Joe Blow is a really kewl guy!!11! LOL!" kind of article that gets listed here. —Angr 19:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- In that case, the backlog tag should definitely be on the individual categories instead of here. Why draw admins to C:CSD where they'll work on deleting "Joe Blow is a really kewl guy!!11! LOL!" articles when they should be deleting images found in separate categories? timrem 19:50, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- When those image categories were added, I seem to recall comments about being able to use a bot to delete them and not needing admins to do extra work. Why can't we use a bot? Do administrators need to remove the redlinks left behind? Vegaswikian 20:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
- No we can't have a bot automaticaly delete everyting simply because someone added a scertain template to it. We need a human to check to make sure the image actualy meet a deletion criterea just as much as we need to for articles. With the possible exception of orphanded fair use images (would be fairly easy to automate a a check that a) Image is tagged as fair use b) has been tagged as orphanded for 7 days. c) Does not have any incoming links). Not that such a bot would be likely to be approved anyway, there is a deep seated fear of bots with admin tools. --Sherool (talk) 07:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think the suggestion was for a bot to remove red links after the image has been deleted, not to have a bot delete the images. —Angr 04:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, on a side note, in my experience with the no-fair-use-rationale backlog, most of the images I found during my time there could be kept and be perfectly acceptable, if someone had taken a few seconds to write a fair use rationale. (I ended up writing quite a few of them.) I have a feeling there might possibly be a way to coax people to learn more about fair use images before uploading them, so we don't have such a backlog... Grandmasterka 10:10, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- No we can't have a bot automaticaly delete everyting simply because someone added a scertain template to it. We need a human to check to make sure the image actualy meet a deletion criterea just as much as we need to for articles. With the possible exception of orphanded fair use images (would be fairly easy to automate a a check that a) Image is tagged as fair use b) has been tagged as orphanded for 7 days. c) Does not have any incoming links). Not that such a bot would be likely to be approved anyway, there is a deep seated fear of bots with admin tools. --Sherool (talk) 07:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
- The vast majority of images tagged for deletion are copyright violations. Keeping them here puts Wikimedia in legal jeopardy. Deleting them is much, much more important than deleting the "Joe Blow is a really kewl guy!!11! LOL!" kind of article that gets listed here. —Angr 19:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
Article Cracker (pejorative) copied to Cracker (white)
(I moved this from Wikipedia talk:How to fix cut and paste moves where I had originally posted it.) The article Cracker (pejorative) was copied to Cracker (white) by User:Ray led the way without any explanation or talk. I tagged it with {{db-histmerge|Cracker (pejorative)}}. The tag was subsequently removed by users Uncle Otama and Otama's Dream, who based on user name and creation 15 minutes apart, are almost certain sock puppets, I suspect of Ray led the way. The attention of an administrator is requested please. Thanks. - Dan D. Ric 17:59, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- I deleted the fork and redirected it to Cracker (pejorative). —Angr 20:01, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
NOGALLERY warring
Regarding the frequent addition and removal of __NOGALLERY__... note that you can go back in history and view the other version, and get it to show up exactly the way you like, so it's not really necessary to flip it back and forth. --Interiot 01:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Proposal of relevance to those who do image speedy deletions
The title says it all, really. See here. Picaroon 19:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Why is this page listed here?
Talk:8 Foot Sativa is listed in this category, but I can't figure out why. I've looked to see if a template it's using is causing it, but some of the templates it lists as using don't appear to even be used on the page. Any ideas? ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 21:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
Categorization bug?
Anybody know what gives with Image:P1020541.JPG or Image:Crys5.JPG (or a few others I noticed)? They have speedy delete (redundant) tags on them, and on their description pages they claim to be members of the appropriate delete categories, but they don't actually seem to be in the categories when I look at the listings. Yes, I tried to purge, but maybe didn't do it right? Staecker 12:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
- That's odd. I'm not sure, but it may have to do with Template:Db-redundantimage, if someone wants to take a look. VegaDark 23:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Speedy-ing
I have been going through User:AlexNewArtBot/BadSearchResult and creating quite a few speedy notices. If anyone finds I am being overly broad, or using the wrong notices, please fill me in, Thanks! -Ravedave 04:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Problems in User Request section
Many album entries have been listed in this section. But when I visited these pages, nothing seems to have speedy deletion on them. No categories, no templates tagged or any other transcluded page in them tagged for deletion (which is common cause for this kind of issue). Aquarius • talk 16:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
- Never mind, problem was pointed out in WP:AN. A anon placed db-author on {{Infobox Album}} Aquarius • talk 16:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
Careless speedy of the year
So far, at any rate. Suggestions for other candidates welcome.
- deleted as (no citations or references and no claim to notability). Medical scientist. As the article clearly says, Fellow of the Royal Society and OBE. I omit the name of the article to protect the careless. DGG 21:40, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
- Why protect the careless? In my opinion these people are nothing better than vandals, who deserve to be hauled over the coals. Rubywine 09:11, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
- Because we have to live together, & this is better done by teaching people than by embarrassing them. I did in fact have a productive discussion with the editor involved. DGG 08:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- Why protect the careless? In my opinion these people are nothing better than vandals, who deserve to be hauled over the coals. Rubywine 09:11, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Malicious homophobic usage of speedy deletion tag
The user 74.220.207.95 has recently marked a large number of LGBT-related articles for speedy deletion on the grounds that they do not assert importance or significance. In no cases were the tags justified. The contributions of this user consist almost entirely of speedy deletion tags placed on articles about significant LGBT websites. It is blatantly obvious that this individual is motivated by homophobia, so his/her tagging is effectively a form of vandalism. I do not know where else to go to report this misbehaviour, so I am requesting that all future speedy deletion tags placed by 74.220.207.95 be speedily removed! Rubywine 09:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
NOGALLERY on image categories
I'd like to propose the NOGALLERY tag be added to the starter templates for the image subcategories. I've gone and added links to the bad old ones tool in each of these so an admin using that tool will be able to see the image anyways. The NOGALLERY would save bandwidth and speed and since an admin using the tool will see the image there. If you want to see the tool in action, look at Category:Images with unknown source as of 22 June 2007. I think using this tool will speed up deletion since it also displays the image description information and other information (last edited). Anyways, does anyone have a valid reason to display the images in these subcategories? I'm working on getting an image red link delinker to make it easier for admins to delete as well. MECU≈talk 13:41, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
- The bad old ones tool is this? If so, how does it work? If I do it the old fashioned way, I much prefer thumbnails to already give an indication what do to with the image. Garion96 (talk) 01:06, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
- How about including a prominent link to a prior revision that features galleries? I'm not sure that C:CSD is that huge of a bandwidth hog since only admins regularly use it. And I agree with Garion96: thumbnails make it much easier to prioritize and recognize closely related deletion candidates. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 10:39, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
- It seems that currenly almost all the speedy deletion image categories are having the nogallery. Admittedly there was no big discussion here, but it doesn't seem that it is agreed that this is handier. I think it's really unpractical. Can it be changed back? I was reverted when I removed the nogallery on a few (I thought I encounteted a mistake on a few but...). Garion96 (talk) 22:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
- How about including a prominent link to a prior revision that features galleries? I'm not sure that C:CSD is that huge of a bandwidth hog since only admins regularly use it. And I agree with Garion96: thumbnails make it much easier to prioritize and recognize closely related deletion candidates. ˉˉanetode╦╩ 10:39, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Tag removals
I've tagged Mengal, Khalid Mengal and Asif Mengal with variously {{:db-bio}} and {{db-shoutout}} but they keep being removed. This is getting tedious so could someone please treat them as tagged and take a look? Many thanks. ROGER TALK 10:51, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
- Instead of fighting about it, why not just AFD them and let it get settled that way? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 09:09, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
- 'Cos I'm very new at this AFD, PROD, CSD etc lark, and it hadn't occurred to me. Thanks, I'll do that. ROGER TALK 15:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
- No problem. They look like speedy candidates but if someone puts up a fight, just let others get their views in. It takes a while to get all this stuff. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 03:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
- 'Cos I'm very new at this AFD, PROD, CSD etc lark, and it hadn't occurred to me. Thanks, I'll do that. ROGER TALK 15:06, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Appearance of a lot of User pages
Quite a few User pages are present in CAT:CSD. It appears that Template:hidden-delete-reason has been added to several of these pages; the presence of the user page appears not to be indicated on the page itself, and the presence of the template is in a listing below the edit box when opening the page for editing. Any comments on this? I haven't seen this before, myself. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 23:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
- It looks like many of them were the result of deletions regarding User:Cool Cat/CVU2-1 by an admin that didn't check What Links Here too closely. I'm having my bot run a cleanup. — xaosflux Talk 02:45, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- Apparently a ton of other User:PickAColorCat pages that are popular are getting deleted causing this problem as well, I've cleaned up a few, restored a few. I don't really care if they get deleted, but What Link's here is there for a reason! — xaosflux Talk 03:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- This has been the topic of a brief discussion on the Administrators' noticeboard. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 11:48, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- Apparently a ton of other User:PickAColorCat pages that are popular are getting deleted causing this problem as well, I've cleaned up a few, restored a few. I don't really care if they get deleted, but What Link's here is there for a reason! — xaosflux Talk 03:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 02:55, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
missing backlog at Disputed non-free images
The tracker for Category:Disputed non-free images only indicates a 16-day backlog,[1] to July 1st, but there is actually a backlog going back to early June. Does anyone know why those June categories aren't showing up? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:38, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
- It looks like the template doesn't work properly if people clear the categories out of order. --Ajm81 00:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, the template should work just fine if the categories aren't cleared in order, but it only goes back so far in its check. Since there is a backlog going back over the maximum, the template is missing it. It might be a good idea to manually include a link to the oldest backlog category for now. Mangojuicetalk 12:59, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
New template:HangonUse
I have several times encounterd cases where users placed a {{hangon}} tag next to a notice of a speedy tagging on their talk pages, rather than on the page tagged for the speedy. I have just drafted {{HangonUse}} as a standard message to users in this situation. Feel free to use it as appropriate. DES (talk) 21:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
LInks to a mess
Apparently many users are now linking to the pages in this category in various kinds of lists. This is making it more difficult for admins to look for real links and see if cleanup of links in other articles is needed. Any suggestions on getting this stopped or is there really some value? Vegaswikian 06:31, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Lots of candidates for speedy deletion here
I've been cleaning up the punk record labels category, and so far have had at least ten pages speedy deleted.
I imagine there are a plethorea of these here[2]. If anyone is looking to do some speedy deletes this is the place.Hoponpop69 20:18, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
- You'd probably get a better response over on WP:AN; when the CSD backlogs get insanely high, that's generally the place to drop a note. I'd help out, but I'm at work. :\ EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:22, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
g12 speedy applied to images
I just deleted 2 images listed in the general category that were tagged G12. Then I just realized that images have their own set of tags and usually require a 7 day waiting period. In situations such as these, should I have changed the speedy tag to {{untagged}} or {{di-no fair use rationale}} or whatever was applicable? One image was claimed as the author releasing into the public domain, but the image had a website's watermark on it. What would you have done, experienced admins?-Andrew c [talk] 20:58, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'll occasionally apply G12 in cases where the image is clearly copyrighted, but has been "released under a free license", since none of the image speedy deletion apply (I3 is for licenses improper for Wikipedia rather than invalid licensing. It's a questionable use of G12, though - It's worthwhile to check the image's use before using this method, since it might be well-used if converted to fair use. Nihiltres(t.l) 22:31, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Ineligible Image Talk pages appearing
I'm curious about why a bunch of image talk pages that are tagged as ineligible for speedy deletion have shown up here. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 11:50, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- This edit is why they are. I have reverted that edit. It looks like the issue has cleared itself and those pages are no longer showing up in this category. Metros 12:01, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you for following up by placing a query on the editor who instituted the change. I had suspected the appearance might have had something to do with an edit to a template, but I didn't have time to follow it up when I placed this comment. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 17:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Uneeded deletions
Are we needing to delete so much important articles due to the mods perception of thier importance? I for one started making an article today it was up for deleion 5 seconds later and i wasnt even finished with it. Do these mods have no life or what??? I would really like to know why on earth these articles are "unnessecary", when they involve highly influentual metal music artists that the mods have prob never heard of — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kronix (talk • contribs)
- Its up to editors to provide independent verifiable sources that bands meet the notability guidelines. Its especially important to do precisely because admins may not have heard of them, and rely on the article to assert notability through independent references. Jimfbleak 10:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- Equally, it's up to us admins to make sure we're not biting newbies. We were all new once, struggling to understand the policies. I cringe when I remember some early edits. Having an article disappear in a flash is quite dispiriting, especially for newbies. --Dweller 20:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- Which is why userfication of obviously good faith but totally inexperienced new article contributions is a reasonable course to take in some cases. Unfortunately, the general assumption (due to the need for speed) is that new articles that don't measure up are just junk across the board. I'm as guilty as the next admin on this count. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 23:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. And a friendly message on a newbie's talk page does wonders. --Dweller 09:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Oh Yes, Dweller is very right. There has been some debate at RFA recently as there is a bot that now advises usersof SD. Personally I'm all up for making sure that anything tagged for speedy is taken to the editors talk page by a real human editor. Very often a new article is an accounts first experience with Wikipedia, and I believe the spirit of WP:BITE should invlolve real editors advising and counseling good faith new members with their work. Pedro | Chat 10:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- Agreed. And a friendly message on a newbie's talk page does wonders. --Dweller 09:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Why (technical) is this tagged for deletion?
The page User:NeilTarrant appears in CAT:SPEEDY, but in looking at the user page I am not seeing where it is so tagged. I'm bringing this up to see if someone else might be able to resolve this question - of whether the page should or should not be here, and if it should not, why is it here? --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 23:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hmm, no longer a problem, I see. I did delete a red-linked folder from the userpage in question, but that should not have been the problem. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 23:44, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Travellers' Club
Please could you delete Travellers' Club ? I moved the article from Travellers Club to Travellers' Club and at an expert's request, have just moved it back to Travellers Club. I can't get to the unnecessary Travellers Club page to nominate it for speedy deletion ! thisisace 00:24, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- Why delete that? It is a perfectly acceptable redirect now. The page is here, by the way : ). shoeofdeath 00:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Because Help:Moving a page says:
Normally, to undo a move from page A to page B, simply:
- move page B back to page A
- list page B (now a history-free redirect) on your project's "votes for deletion" (or "speedy deletion") page, or (Admins only) just delete it.
thisisace 23:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
- I'd think that in this case, Travellers' Club is an alternate way of spelling/searching for the title, and is probably helpful as a redirect. Ariel♥Gold 23:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)