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:{{ping|Snaf2k}} A 400 year old map from when cartography's approach was "give a vague idea of what might be somewhat in that direction" is not a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. |
:{{ping|Snaf2k}} A 400 year old map from when cartography's approach was "give a vague idea of what might be somewhat in that direction" is not a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. |
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:We have found Babylon's ruins. We have found inscriptions in there identifying them as Babylon's ruins. We found them 200 years ago, and all research since then has confirmed that, yep, it's Babylon. '''Modern''' academics have written about this. Please try using [[WP:RS|professionally-published mainstream academic sources]] instead of saying we don't know where something is when we've damn well known for 200 years! [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson|talk]]) 11:32, 9 October 2019 (UTC) |
:We have found Babylon's ruins. We have found inscriptions in there identifying them as Babylon's ruins. We found them 200 years ago, and all research since then has confirmed that, yep, it's Babylon. '''Modern''' academics have written about this. Please try using [[WP:RS|professionally-published mainstream academic sources]] instead of saying we don't know where something is when we've damn well known for 200 years! [[User:Ian.thomson|Ian.thomson]] ([[User talk:Ian.thomson|talk]]) 11:32, 9 October 2019 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Ian.thomson}} Based on finding at Aral sea, it has almost dried out in just 40 years, so 400 years can do a huge impact on the region and the Persian sea that disappeared extended water route from Persian Gulf all the way to Jordan/Babylonia. The current findings can't accurately tell which city it was since Persian Empire covered almost whole Middle East. The finding you talking about north of Persian Gulf could easily be Perseponis and not Babilon. In some maps it shows Chaldea, Ur and Babilon are near each other and since Chaldean region in Jordan there is no point looking for Babilon in Irag, because those could be just Persian cities with similar markings. |
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"Abandoned 141 BC"?
The info box w/ the map and other data contains the line "Abandoned 141 BC". Yet nothing in the "Hellenistic period" section, which should cover it, notes that date; rather, it indicates a slow undated decline. Nor does the next section on "Renewed Persian rule" recognize it. I note that http://www.sheppardsoftware.com/Middleeastweb/factfile/Unique-facts-MiddleEast4.htm declares "By 141 BC, when the Parthian Empire took over the region, Babylon was in complete desolation and obscurity" [my emphasis], but that is not the same thing. Other online sources confirm that date for the Parthian invasion.
Is it appropriate to show that invasion's date as a date of abandonment? GeorgeTSLC (talk) 04:19, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
- 3 years later, the question remains: when did the CITY of Babylon cease to exist? The article's conflation of city & kingdom/province "hides" (but not really) the failure to provide such essential info. Arminden (talk) 11:11, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
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Removing a paragraph and placing it as a note
Referencing the paragraph under "Persian conquest" in parenthesis that starts out "Herodotus also described a moat," this seems like extraneous information that is interesting, but isn't relevant to the overall section. I propose making it a note instead. Balon Greyjoy (talk) 20:50, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with you, the parenthetical paragraph seems a little unwieldy and out of place. At the same time, Herodotus's description of Babylon is one of very few descriptions of the city from classical antiquity and possibly should be highlighted in the article text. Maybe there is another place this could be done. Cheers, groupuscule (talk) 15:32, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Babylon
What are the characteristic of Ancient Babylon and modern day Babylon - what are the spiritual attributes and ways and beliefs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2406:5A00:8804:A300:8823:10C9:647A:9580 (talk) 19:10, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
No distinction made between city and kingdom/province: MAJOR problem!
Article needs to be reworked accordingly. Cheers, Arminden (talk) 11:05, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
Location of Babylon
Based on a map of Canaan, the city of Babylon was located on the north of the Persian sea in ancient Babylonia - currently Jordan. It was located in the Chaldean region of the current city Zarqa, Jordan. With the disappearance of the Persian sea, it's exact location is still unknown. Based on the map of Canaan it is most likely located between Zarqa and Russeifa or between Zarqa and Qasr.
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/A_map_of_Canaan_%288343807206%29.jpg/220px-A_map_of_Canaan_%288343807206%29.jpg)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Snaf2k (talk • contribs) 02:43, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Snaf2k: A 400 year old map from when cartography's approach was "give a vague idea of what might be somewhat in that direction" is not a reliable source.
- We have found Babylon's ruins. We have found inscriptions in there identifying them as Babylon's ruins. We found them 200 years ago, and all research since then has confirmed that, yep, it's Babylon. Modern academics have written about this. Please try using professionally-published mainstream academic sources instead of saying we don't know where something is when we've damn well known for 200 years! Ian.thomson (talk) 11:32, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
- @Ian.thomson: Based on finding at Aral sea, it has almost dried out in just 40 years, so 400 years can do a huge impact on the region and the Persian sea that disappeared extended water route from Persian Gulf all the way to Jordan/Babylonia. The current findings can't accurately tell which city it was since Persian Empire covered almost whole Middle East. The finding you talking about north of Persian Gulf could easily be Perseponis and not Babilon. In some maps it shows Chaldea, Ur and Babilon are near each other and since Chaldean region in Jordan there is no point looking for Babilon in Irag, because those could be just Persian cities with similar markings.