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What are some of the effects on the brain? A long time ago I took it a couple of times and felt some pain in the frontal part of my brain. Does it damage or do better to the frontal lobes or so of your brain? And compared to alcohol, which drug damages the brain more. Does marijuana really damage the brain? Does marijuana really damage your brain? [[User:Zachorious|Zachorious]] 15:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
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- Talk:Cannabis (drug)/Archive 1
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Taken from Talk:cannabis to explain the existence of this article. Please see this and Talk:Cannabis/Archive 1 Talk:Cannabis/Archive 2 for the sources and discussions of this article. Squiquifox 18:11, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
cannabis species
The genus consists of one species. It is all C.sativa L. . There are no other species. Can the text reflect this. The one reference that states that there are more than one species is NOT scientific. Melbob 04:50, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- Can you cite some sources for that? I've never heard it disputed that indica exists. Anyway, this should probably be on Talk:Cannabis, as that is the genus page. --Rory096 22:38, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Thats the problem with wikipedia its full of the half educated. As it stand it is wrong an makes wikipedia a laughing stock. Melbob 04:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Method of Action
Why is there no information on the actual method of action of cannabis? While the article does mention the presence of receptors, and where some of those receptors are, it doesn't mention the natural function of said receptors, or why an anonymous plant would interface the way it does with them. aubrey 03:53, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
So, why is this article located at cannabis (drug) rather than at marijuana? - Nat Krause(Talk!) 18:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- See Cannabis_(drug)#Recent_history, Legalise_cannabis_parties#fn_afgh, and the external links on 1937 Marijuana Tax Act. —Viriditas | Talk 20:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- The external links you refer to seem to mostly use "marijuana" in preference to "cannabis". Can you elaborate on the point you're making? - Nat Krause(Talk!) 21:44, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- The links above demonstrate that the misnomer "Marijuana" (actually "Marihuana") is a regional slang term, previously used in a politically loaded, racist anti-Meixcan, and propagandistic context in America during the "Reefer Madness" anti-cannabis campaign of the 1930's. "Cannabis" is the historical, botanical, medical, and politically neutral term, and hence, encyclopedic. —Viriditas | Talk 23:09, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- I don't see where the links above show that it's a regional slang term. The reason we would put the article at marijuana is that it's the common English name for the drug. The context in which it was used in the 1930s doesn't seem particularly important. - Nat Krause(Talk!) 02:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- According to Harry J. Anslinger: "...the term "cannabis" in the Geneva Convention of 1925 and in the Uniform Narcotic Drug Act included only the dried flowering or fruiting tops of the pistillate plant as the source of the dangerous resin...we find then that Colorado reports that the Mexican population there cultivates on an average of 2 to 3 tons of the weed annually. This the Mexicans make into cigarettes, which they sell at two for 25 cents, mostly to white high school students...MARIHUANA IS THE MEXICAN TERM FOR CANNABIS INDICA....The plant or drug known as Cannabis indica, or marihuana, has as its parent the plant known as Cannabis Sativa...It is popularly known in India as Cannabis Indica,; in America, as Cannabis americana; in Mexico as Cannabis mexicana, or marihuana....It is all the same drug, and is known in different countries by different names. It is scientifically known as Cannabis sativa, and is popularly called Cannabis americana, Cannabis indica, or Cannabis mexicana, in accordance with the geographical origin of the particular plant....In the East it is known as charras, as gunga, as hasheesh, as bhang, or siddi, and it is known by a variety of names in the countries of continental Europe....Cannabis sativa is an annual herb from the "hemp" plant; it has angular, rough stems and deeply lobed leaves....It is derived from the flowering tops of the female plant of hemp grown in semi-tropical and temperate countries. It was once thought that only the plant grown in India was active, but it has been scientifically determined that the American specimen termed "marihuana" or "muggles" is equal in potency to the best weed of India. The plant is a moraceous herb....In the South, amongst the Negroes, it is termed "mooter"...In India, where the plant is scientifically cultivated on a wide scale for the drug obtained from it, the plants, when small, are separated, the female plant being used exclusively for the purpose of obtaining the drug." [1]
- I don't see where the links above show that it's a regional slang term. The reason we would put the article at marijuana is that it's the common English name for the drug. The context in which it was used in the 1930s doesn't seem particularly important. - Nat Krause(Talk!) 02:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- The term "Marijuana" is a regional slang term attributed to Mexico (sometimes others), as used in a racist and propagandistic context; the circumstances of 1930's drug prohibition are not only important, they are essential to understanding why the term is not used as the title of a neutral encyclopedia article. Notice, that Wikipedia naming convention policy is based upon NPOV, but has many exceptions. I would encourage you to also visit Wikipedia:Naming conflict and tally a score, as well as post your query on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Psychedelics, Dissociatives and Deliriants. All definitions of marijuana and marihuana refer to the dried flowers and leaves of the cannabis plant. See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (precision). —Viriditas | Talk 02:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- Marijuana is not a Mexican slang term—its use is quite common throughout the U.S. as far as I can tell. However, despite taking a while to get around to it, you have made a good point: "marijuana" is normally understood to refer to only the most common of the preparations one can make from the cannabis plant. So, cannabis (drug) is reasonable as an alternative that includes all preparations.—Nat Krause(Talk!) 17:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- Whether it is common or not, the word "Marijuana" is thought to be a Mexican slang term for "cannabis" that was first popularized in "La_Cucaracha," a Mexican folk song associated wtih Pancho Villa. In the same hearings above, on H.R. 6385, Marijuana was described as Mexican slang by the legislative counsel for the American Medical Association, Dr. William C. Woodward: "The term "marihuana" is a mongrel word that has crept into this country over the Mexican border and has no general meaning, except as it relates to the use of Cannabis preparations for smoking. It is not recognized in medicine, and I might say that it is hardly recognized even in the Treasury Department...Marihuana is one of the products of the plant Cannabis sativa. L., a plant which is sometimes referred to as Cannabis americana or Cannabis indica...In other words, marihuana is not the correct term...So, if you will permit me, I shall use the word "Cannabis", and I should certainly suggest that if any legislation is enacted, the term used be "Cannabis" and not the mongrel word 'marihuana...You understand that marihuana is simply a name given Cannabis. It is a mongrel word brought in from Mexico. It is a popular term to indicate Cannabis, like "coke" is used to indicate cocaine, and as "dope" is used to indicate opium." [2] —Viriditas | Talk 20:41, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- Marijuana is not a Mexican slang term—its use is quite common throughout the U.S. as far as I can tell. However, despite taking a while to get around to it, you have made a good point: "marijuana" is normally understood to refer to only the most common of the preparations one can make from the cannabis plant. So, cannabis (drug) is reasonable as an alternative that includes all preparations.—Nat Krause(Talk!) 17:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
External links
The external links was added about 3 weeks ago. When added, it contained just 1 link, to NORML, a pro-cannabis site. Soon after it was added, it proved to be a magnet for spam and pro-cannabis POV links. Any site with useful information should be cited inline, not as an external link in its own section, and having a section will end up being extremely hard to maintain. I see no reason to have an external links section, and so I removed the section. If there are any objections, please respond. --Rory096 05:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- I mean no offense or disrepect, but I prefer and intend to follow Wikipedia:External links instead of your personal preferences. —Viriditas | Talk 05:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- Erm, that says nothing about whether articles should have external links sections or not... --Rory096 06:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- Precisely. Have you thought about contributing to Wikipedia:External links or the proposed Wikipedia:External links/External links policy? Users will continue to add external links to this article. Your personal preference is for inline citations, and I am forced to agree that this is probably best, but any disinterested user may think you are asserting WP:OWN without referring to a guideline or policy. —Viriditas | Talk 20:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- That still doesn't say anything about whether or not articles should have external links sections. Like all disputed changes, they should be discussed on the talk page to see whether it's suitable for each individual article. --Rory096 23:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- It doesn't say anything about it, which is why I've asked if you would be willing to add your proposal to either of the above links. You say you see no reason to have an external links section, but we have guidelines for external links. Standard appendices appear to be agreed upon. Your argument could be made about any article (magnet for spam, POV, hard to maintain) which is why I've asked you to followup on the guideline page. —Viriditas | Talk 23:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- I don't see any reason for having it on this article. I think what sections should be in an article should be decided on an individual basis to avoid m:instruction creep. --Rory096 23:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- How is your rationale for eliminating the external links section particular to this article? Your argument could be applied to any article. In fact, I'm dealing with this very problem on at least three articles at the moment. —Viriditas | Talk 00:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- This article is specifically susceptible to spam and vandalism, as it is a very popular subject and hot-button issue that there must be millions of sites and blogs about. Nobody spams NP-complete or Willard Metcalf. --Rory096 03:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- This is a systemic problem. While it is true that popular and/or controversial articles may be more subject to spamming, unpopular articles are facing the same issues. I doubt polyphasic sleep, Heaven's Stairway, and Menehune could be considered popular articles, but they are suffering or have suffered from linkfarming. To combat this problem, you have proposed removing the external links section altogether, but you don't seem to have made any provisos other than requesting inline citations. Although you disagree, these ideas and related proposals are being discussed on Wikipedia:External links/External links policy, Wikipedia talk:External links/External links policy, and Wikipedia talk:External links. I don't think this article is the place for imposing your standards (which will be impossible to maintain over time) which is why I suggest discussing it in the appropriate place. I agree with your position, and I think your proposal will eventually win out (it has to or we will be drowning in links) but I think that general guidelines are best implemented from the top-down. —Viriditas | Talk 09:06, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- This article is specifically susceptible to spam and vandalism, as it is a very popular subject and hot-button issue that there must be millions of sites and blogs about. Nobody spams NP-complete or Willard Metcalf. --Rory096 03:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- How is your rationale for eliminating the external links section particular to this article? Your argument could be applied to any article. In fact, I'm dealing with this very problem on at least three articles at the moment. —Viriditas | Talk 00:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- I don't see any reason for having it on this article. I think what sections should be in an article should be decided on an individual basis to avoid m:instruction creep. --Rory096 23:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- It doesn't say anything about it, which is why I've asked if you would be willing to add your proposal to either of the above links. You say you see no reason to have an external links section, but we have guidelines for external links. Standard appendices appear to be agreed upon. Your argument could be made about any article (magnet for spam, POV, hard to maintain) which is why I've asked you to followup on the guideline page. —Viriditas | Talk 23:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- That still doesn't say anything about whether or not articles should have external links sections. Like all disputed changes, they should be discussed on the talk page to see whether it's suitable for each individual article. --Rory096 23:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- Precisely. Have you thought about contributing to Wikipedia:External links or the proposed Wikipedia:External links/External links policy? Users will continue to add external links to this article. Your personal preference is for inline citations, and I am forced to agree that this is probably best, but any disinterested user may think you are asserting WP:OWN without referring to a guideline or policy. —Viriditas | Talk 20:52, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- Erm, that says nothing about whether articles should have external links sections or not... --Rory096 06:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Effects On The Brain
What are some of the effects on the brain? A long time ago I took it a couple of times and felt some pain in the frontal part of my brain. Does it damage or do better to the frontal lobes or so of your brain? And compared to alcohol, which drug damages the brain more. Does marijuana really damage the brain? Does marijuana really damage your brain? Zachorious 15:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)