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Hi - I think we need everyone involved to actually have a discussion of what should be on the article page. The amount of reversions is quite unbelievable. I personally feel that the edit on 27 March, at 13:18 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Celtic_F.C.&oldid=11577398) is quite acceptable. Any ideas on this? - [[User:Master Of Ninja|Master Of Ninja]] 18:32, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
Hi - I think we need everyone involved to actually have a discussion of what should be on the article page. The amount of reversions is quite unbelievable. I personally feel that the edit on 27 March, at 13:18 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Celtic_F.C.&oldid=11577398) is quite acceptable. Any ideas on this? - [[User:Master Of Ninja|Master Of Ninja]] 18:32, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
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:Master Of Ninja. I am actually in favour of the style of changes made by 217.42.x.x (I am assuming this is a session based IP address, and the person is the same). 217.42.x.x is gradually toning down and removing some of the more strongly vocalised discussion of sectarianism. However, I do think he/she goes too far in attempts to remove all references. At times it is important to note the differences with Rangers (particularly, the long standing acceptance of protestant players). This time I have actually tried a compromise rather than a blind revert. Of course, it would be preferrable if 217.42.x.x were prepared to ''discuss'' rather than slowly change the article, and to avoid misleading edit summaries. --[[User:Stochata|stochata]] 13:43, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
Revision as of 13:43, 28 March 2005
Master of Ninja, please refrain from your factually incorrect subjective prejudice, when speaking of Celtic and Rangers. For instance, Celtic also sing bigoted songs, as "IRA" chants and "F the Q and Davie Cooper" chants, as well as others have been well documented even this season. Also, MON is from Northern Ireland whether you wish him to be or not. This is a VERY CLEAR abuse of Wikipedia. Please stop this immediately. (Your spelling and grammar is also terrible.)
- Reply: I completely disagree with your analysis - I merely reverted a change which in itself was biased, with a revision comment I hoped would allow the author of the changes to try again, without taking out the major portion of the history that he did. I do not know, and do not particularly care, what the actual situation 'bigot-wise' between Rangers and Celtic is at the moment: I believe that is for other contributors to decided as long as they do not disrupt the article. The situation about MON being Northern Irish was part of the previous revision, and it was a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater unfortuantely as I do not have the time or expertise to vet the correct factual changes, along with the subjective changes. Maybe once this protection has been lifted you can change it? - Master Of Ninja 20:39, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Rangers first Roman Catholic was not Mo Johnston in 1989. There were others, but I do not have the proof (pre WW1 there would be plenty) but recently there is one I can prove: John Spencer.
Reply: Is this page about Rangers or Celtic?
Further reply: If this page mentions Rangers it should be accurate. I did not add the Rangers aspect, it should not be there, but if it is included it should not be false. Agreed?
Is there a specific reason why the club's name is pronounce 'Seltic' and not 'Keltic'?????? 16:13, 24 Mar 2004 81.86.4.217 "Seltic" was the pronunciation used at the time the club was founded. "Keltic" has since supplanted the old pronunciation when used to describe Celtic culture, peoples etc. 19:17, 30 Jun 2004 81.152.194.26 (uniform) Clubs having uniforms identical Celtic's green-white hoops
- Sachsen Leipzig (Deutschland)
- Shamrock Rovers (Ireland)
- Belfast Celtic (Irish League, now defunct)
- Buckie Thistle (Scotland, Highland League)
- Donegal Celtic (Irish League)
- Sporting Lisbon (Portugal)
Do you know any other?137.205.8.2 21:34, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Protection and reversion
I have protected this page due to vandalism from several anon IPs and User:Egils. I may possibly have have caught some valid edits amongst the vandalism upon reverting this page. I have no idea whther the allegations regarding a member of the Club's staff are valid. If you believe these edits are justified, please discuss them here. Mintguy (T) 11:46, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
This page and Rangers F.C. have been protected because of vandalism from a large number of anon IPs (many of whom have been given 24 hour bans). The protection will remain in place until it is judged safe to remove it. -- Arwel 17:44, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- The protected version seems to have caught an act of vandalism. Rather than reverting back to Demiurge (who it seems has been trying to stem the anon IP changes), it is reverted to 82.40.9.6. 82.40.9.6 changes "Celtic was founded in 1888 by Brother Walfrid as a way to raise money for terribly deprived" to "Celtic was founded in 1888 by Brother Walfrid as a way to ensure that there was no dilution of the Catholic religion amongst Irish immigrants". The original would appear to be the correct version, see e.g. [1]. --stochata 18:21, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- We'll stick with the version as-is for the moment - as the header says, the protected version isn't taking sides. I was hoping a freeze of both pages for a few hours would be enough, until someone came up and edited this page nearly half an hour after Rangers was protected, so maybe I'll leave them protected until tomorrow to be on the safe side. - Arwel 18:35, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Fair enough.--stochata 18:53, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- We'll stick with the version as-is for the moment - as the header says, the protected version isn't taking sides. I was hoping a freeze of both pages for a few hours would be enough, until someone came up and edited this page nearly half an hour after Rangers was protected, so maybe I'll leave them protected until tomorrow to be on the safe side. - Arwel 18:35, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Suggestion for once protection has been lifted - give contributors a "Analysis of rivalry between Rangers and Celtic" page so that they can try and write a reasoned analysis of the situation. I'm a bit annoyed at being flamed for what I thought was a reasonable (and explained revert) - Master Of Ninja 20:39, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- It's a nice suggestion but sadly unlikely to work. These guys would much rather throw insults around than points of argument as the (mostly insulting) pro and con edits demonstrate. -- Derek Ross | Talk 20:44, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
- It might still be worth starting History of Sectarianism in Scottish Football, with a link from this page in place of all references to chants and who had which Catholic / Protestant players. I would suggest following the example of the Hibs page, which prominently mentions the Catholic history, without then reverting to further discussion later on. Oddly enough, I notice that the Sectarianism page doesn't even mention Scotland. --stochata 21:14, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- I notice this little edit war was spotted by the Sunday Herald -- [2] -- Arwel 15:16, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This protected version contains a number of inaccuracies
- ? This is a very strange comment to come from anon user 128.240.229.65, who edited the article 2 hours earlier and therefore knows perfectly well that the article is no longer protected (and indeed hasn't been since last Saturday afternoon). -- Arwel 20:50, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Abuse
As the author of the previous anon comment I had assumed that the page was protected as any editorial changes I had made were removed on subsequent viewings. A number of points are incorrect and offensive, In particular the failure of the Irish Scots to integrate. Would someone please point out to me how this non-integration is apparent in day-day Scottish life? 195.92.168.177 20:24, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)Lord of the Dance
- I'm sorry -- I think I may have been overly hasty in reverting other changes and catching yours at the same time (if you were 128.240.229.65). I have just reinstated your changes. --stochata 20:40, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Rangers revisionism keeps returning
I notice that "Rangers would not sign Catholics" is continually changed to "Catholics would not sign for Rangers". While undoubtedly Catholics may have been averse to signing for Rangers if they could, the fact remains that Rangers barred them from doing so -- for example, see this report [3]. --stochata 11:46, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Edit war March 2005
Hi - I think we need everyone involved to actually have a discussion of what should be on the article page. The amount of reversions is quite unbelievable. I personally feel that the edit on 27 March, at 13:18 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Celtic_F.C.&oldid=11577398) is quite acceptable. Any ideas on this? - Master Of Ninja 18:32, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Master Of Ninja. I am actually in favour of the style of changes made by 217.42.x.x (I am assuming this is a session based IP address, and the person is the same). 217.42.x.x is gradually toning down and removing some of the more strongly vocalised discussion of sectarianism. However, I do think he/she goes too far in attempts to remove all references. At times it is important to note the differences with Rangers (particularly, the long standing acceptance of protestant players). This time I have actually tried a compromise rather than a blind revert. Of course, it would be preferrable if 217.42.x.x were prepared to discuss rather than slowly change the article, and to avoid misleading edit summaries. --stochata 13:43, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)