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You've got this the wrong way around. "At the time" is essentially correct, what needs to be removed is 'foreign', as there is absolutely nothing in the cites that says this. The cite states that it was, at the time, "''the largest travelling support to have assembled for a single game''". |
You've got this the wrong way around. "At the time" is essentially correct, what needs to be removed is 'foreign', as there is absolutely nothing in the cites that says this. The cite states that it was, at the time, "''the largest travelling support to have assembled for a single game''". |
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Any concern about whether Manchester is "foreign" to Glasgow is irrelevant, as it's not a specification that UEFA used. I suspect this additional definition was added in an attempt to prevent it being "trumped" by the Rangers figure. (It can't be a coincidence that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Celtic_F.C.&diff=217425237&oldid=217415626 it appeared] ''after'' the Rangers UEFA final.) It may remain accurate, but is lovely example of subtle [[WP:SYNTH|original synthesis]]. --<font color="purple">[[User:Escape_Orbit|Escape Orbit]]</font> <sup>[[User_talk:Escape_Orbit|(Talk)]]</sup> 17:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC) |
Any concern about whether Manchester is "foreign" to Glasgow is irrelevant, as it's not a specification that UEFA used. I suspect this additional definition was added in an attempt to prevent it being "trumped" by the Rangers figure. (It can't be a coincidence that [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Celtic_F.C.&diff=217425237&oldid=217415626 it appeared] ''after'' the Rangers UEFA final.) It ''may'' remain accurate, depending on how you want to define 'foreign', which is a POV, but basically it is lovely example of subtle [[WP:SYNTH|original synthesis]]. --<font color="purple">[[User:Escape_Orbit|Escape Orbit]]</font> <sup>[[User_talk:Escape_Orbit|(Talk)]]</sup> 17:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC) |
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All right, what's going on here!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fry2000 (talk • contribs) 12:30, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh. That's that cleared up then.
Greatest ever team - diagram
Anyone know why this diagram has 'SIMPSON' in yellow and 'JOHNSTONE' in gold? hippo43 (talk) 07:22, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- I'm presuming Simpsons is yellow due to the colour of his jersy. Why Jinky's is gold I don't know. Jack forbes (talk) 21:14, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
- I've changed them to white. If there is a very good reason for the different colours I'm sure someone will explain it. Jack forbes (talk) 21:19, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Largest foreign travelling support at the time
I wonder if this statement is actually correct. We know that Rangers took more fans to Manchester for their UEFA cup final. Where they a foreign travelling support? Since when has Manchester been deemed a city in a foreign land? If the Rangers article mentions that they took the largest away support for a European game that is quite correct. If we say that Celtic have the record for the largest support to a foreign country that is also correct. Why does it say at the time? It is still true. Jack forbes (talk) 15:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, if you look, none of the cites actually confirm what is said. We can say there was 80,000, but whether this is the largest travelling or foreign support, either then or since, is not mentioned. So perhaps the entire sentence needs to be reworded, unless someone has a reputable source that can confirm it? --Escape Orbit (Talk) 17:58, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
- Reference added. I agree with your first point above, there must be a more elegant way of putting this. However we would probably need a recent source to say "largest foreign travelling support" or similar, or it would be original research to suppose that Manchester does not count as a foreign venue. ----hippo43 (talk) 18:32, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
- Would it be original research to say that Manchester does not count as a foreign venue? Rather, I would think it would be original research to say it is a foreign venue and would need a source to confirm just that. Jack forbes (talk) 18:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
- Very good point. I had assumed there would be sources 'confirming' the Rangers fans' record because I seem to have heard it so often, but I struggled to find one with a quick Google search. maybe one will turn up. --hippo43 (talk) 20:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
- Unfortunately other events in Manchester rather masked any chance of this being noted or publicised. I've looked before without any success. I also suspect that the claims that a proportion of those who turned up were not supporters, but trouble-makers, also makes it complicated. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 23:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
- I propose to remove the word 'at the time' from the above sentence. As I said, whether or not Rangers had a larger following in Manchester, there is no source to say it was a foreign travelling support. Jack forbes (talk) 16:01, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
- Agree. If someone finds a more recent, good quality source which contradicts this sentence, we can revise it. --hippo43 (talk) 16:33, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
- Done.--hippo43 (talk) 16:37, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
- I propose to remove the word 'at the time' from the above sentence. As I said, whether or not Rangers had a larger following in Manchester, there is no source to say it was a foreign travelling support. Jack forbes (talk) 16:01, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
- Unfortunately other events in Manchester rather masked any chance of this being noted or publicised. I've looked before without any success. I also suspect that the claims that a proportion of those who turned up were not supporters, but trouble-makers, also makes it complicated. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 23:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
- Very good point. I had assumed there would be sources 'confirming' the Rangers fans' record because I seem to have heard it so often, but I struggled to find one with a quick Google search. maybe one will turn up. --hippo43 (talk) 20:41, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
- Would it be original research to say that Manchester does not count as a foreign venue? Rather, I would think it would be original research to say it is a foreign venue and would need a source to confirm just that. Jack forbes (talk) 18:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
- Reference added. I agree with your first point above, there must be a more elegant way of putting this. However we would probably need a recent source to say "largest foreign travelling support" or similar, or it would be original research to suppose that Manchester does not count as a foreign venue. ----hippo43 (talk) 18:32, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
You've got this the wrong way around. "At the time" is essentially correct, what needs to be removed is 'foreign', as there is absolutely nothing in the cites that says this. The cite states that it was, at the time, "the largest travelling support to have assembled for a single game".
Any concern about whether Manchester is "foreign" to Glasgow is irrelevant, as it's not a specification that UEFA used. I suspect this additional definition was added in an attempt to prevent it being "trumped" by the Rangers figure. (It can't be a coincidence that it appeared after the Rangers UEFA final.) It may remain accurate, depending on how you want to define 'foreign', which is a POV, but basically it is lovely example of subtle original synthesis. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 17:41, 25 February 2009 (UTC)