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I wondered where you obtained your information that Armando Valladares was a Batista era police official, so I did a bit of digging. Seems as is your source was the Granma Internationale article written on the heels of a UN resolution condemning the human rights situation in Cuba [http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=11&q=http://www.granma.cu/frances/agosto02/vi9/32para-f.html&e=7317]. Execelent source, but a few problems, Valladares was only 19 when Batista was sent packing. Highly unlikely that he was, as the Granma article suggested, a high ranking Police official. |
I wondered where you obtained your information that Armando Valladares was a Batista era police official, so I did a bit of digging. Seems as is your source was the Granma Internationale article written on the heels of a UN resolution condemning the human rights situation in Cuba [http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=11&q=http://www.granma.cu/frances/agosto02/vi9/32para-f.html&e=7317]. Execelent source, but a few problems, Valladares was only 19 when Batista was sent packing. Highly unlikely that he was, as the Granma article suggested, a high ranking Police official. |
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Nothing more pathetic that someone who cant just take his lickings and leave. No wonder you love Taliban so much. [[User: |
Nothing more pathetic that someone who cant just take his lickings and leave. No wonder you love Taliban so much. [[User:TDC|TDC]] 15:49, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC) |
Revision as of 15:49, 23 September 2004
That quote is [i]not[/i] from the book, it is a basic summary.
- In modern day Cuba, where president Castro has outlawed the use of his own image for public display, the Gutierrez portrait is the center of the nation's revolutionary personality cult.
This was removed. Why? Is it wrong? Isn't it neutral? -- Error 05:25 7 Jul 2003 (UTC)
-- Fidel Castro's image is displayed ubiquitously in Cuba, and most of the images of him are put up by the propaganda branches of the government or the PCC [Cuban Communist Party]. During the early years of the Revolution, Fidel supposedly discouraged portraits of himself in governmental offices but this prohibition has long since been forgotten and now his portraits are in fact de rigeur in all such locations and virtually everywhere else.
Concerning the matter of the personality cult, it seemed to me that some clarification is needed to explain the existence of two distinct personality cults in Cuba, that devoted to Fidel and the one to Che's memory, or more correctly, Fidel's interpretation of Che's life and work. I don't know how much detail about this aspect needs to be included on this page?
- Something like:
- Che's memory, in the interpretation of the Cuban Communist Party, is the subject of a personality cult in Cuba. This is apparent in events like ... and places like...
- The cult of Castro is not very relevant here.
- -- Error
-- I think that approach would be a good one ... It is a troubling subject, since any kind of personality cult was anathema to Che. [Will you be adding this to that section?]
- No, I don't know about the inner situation of Cuba so I couldn't fill the "..." -- Error
-- Ah, well ... I will think about trying to do it then, but am afraid I will have a perhaps insurmountable NPOV problem.
Dr.
The very 1st word says "Dr.", what was Guevara one of? --Menchi 05:00 14 Jul 2003 (UTC)
- Following his graduation from the University of Buenos Aires medical school in 1953,... - Hephaestos
Evita?
This article needs to be careful about the meaning of "Che." In contrast to what it says at the beginning, "che" is a generic term for someone from Argentina, like "kiwi" for a New Zealander. Also the comment at the end about "Evita" is way off. The narrator character in Evita, who assumes many different roles at different parts of the play, is named Che. However the narrator is named "che" precisely because it is a generic name, and the character is an everyman...
- I agree that the character in Evita has nothing to do with Ernesto Guevara, however the consensus seems to be that he is based on the "Che" persona, using a famous man to narrate and guide the audience through the story, much like Virgil in Dante's Inferno. My father is Argentine and I've spoken Castillian my whole life. "Che" means "Hey you!". Theanthrope 17:17, 23 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Guevara's only interaction with Eva Peron was to write her a facetious letter in his youth, asking for a Camaro.
where this came from ? The camaro was released on the 60s while guevara was already a revolutionary and evita wasn t anything at all.--Zero00 14:03, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
- It came from his biography. I added that bit originally. He actually asked her for a Jeep, but somebody must have changed it to a Camaro. I have no idea why. I'll change it back Theanthrope 23:26, 18 May 2004 (UTC)
neutrality of article
Can someone add captions to the pictures? On my browser, my screen size conspires with the font size and word wrapping to, unfortunately, write below the big photo, "Cuban Dictator Fulgencio Batista."
Whoever this anonymous person who write about the La Cabana Fortress is, I want to ask you to link not to a commercial site for us to buy a book but a neutral website describing Guevara's tenure at the Fortress. It is commonly known that Cuba executed counter-revolutionary prisoners directly after the revolution, but what is not common knowledge is that Guevara was at the head of the firing squads. Your estimates of 15,000-17,000 seem exagerated, and the demeanor in which you write, both anonymously and extremely subjectively, leads me to read your edits as vandilism. Please explain yourself, and provide a non-commercial link to an article about the La Cabana Fortress. Thank you. Punkche 22:30 1-1-2004.
Link to a book ehhhh..........
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1893554198/104-7881084-3009501?v=glance This is the same link that is on the page. Its a book by Cuban poet Armando Valladares, and it details what he saw and went through while in La Cabana. He was jailed for what the new Cuban government deemed as counter revolutionary poetry.
http://www.canoe.ca/Travel/Caribbean/Cuba/2003/11/02/244609.html This is a travel site where they go into detail on how a tourist can tour La Cabana and see Che's office as well as the bullet holes in the walls from the firing squads.
In the article his name is "Ernesto Rafael Guevara de la Serna" - how comes that i cannot find anything about the "Rafael" in his name. If I search for his whole name as wikipedia tells me, i can find only wikipedian articles. Has anybody a source where I can find the true name? 80.142.243.150 16:29, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- thank you, Theanthrope, but even in this text the only rafael mentioned ist his father, to quote: "son of Ernesto Rafael Guevara Lynch" 217.255.176.234 20:46, 7 Jan 2004 (UTC)
According to Cuban refugee and CIA agent Felix Rodriguez, (who himself lost many family members in the Cuban revolution) who was present at Guevara's capture, as soldiers approach Guevara, he shouted, "Do not shoot! I am Che Guevara and worth more to you alive than dead."
Seriously what is this stuff worth ?
- I think it add more detail to the death of Guevara. If you dont like it too bad. It still falls well within Wikipedia's posting guidelines. TDC
Ericd 21:00, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- A lot of people, especially idealistic American youth from the 1960s, revered Che as a sort of working-class hero. (I think they were either self-deceived or short-sighted, and that Communist "freedom fighters" created worse problems than they solved, but hey I'm a brainwashed Moonie cultist so what do I know? ;-) --Uncle Ed 21:04, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Ed, seriously what is a CIA agent testimony worth ? And what brings the fact that he lost family member's except that it's emotionnal ? And even if it's true what does it means ? What is Christ himself supposed to have said on the cross ? Ericd 21:10, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Um, "Father, forgive them; they know what what they do"? --Uncle Ed 21:35, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- No, Guevara was no Messiah it would be better to emphasize on the sillyness of his theories.
- I'm unable to quote the Bible in English but in French it's "Père éloigne ce calice de moi !", it's generally interpreted as showing that Jesus had the sense of self preservation and thus was human...
- Ericd 21:45, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- I am still disturbed by the edits of 66.170.162.***. Whoever this is keeps reverting changes back to a non-neutral POV, and because the person logs in anonymously, we cannot discuss it with 66.170.162.***. Who ever you are, please either register or keep your edits neutral. I am ready to report this entry as being vandalized. Punkche 16:20 6 Feb. 2004 (MST)
Felix Rodriquez was not present at Guevara's capture. No US agents or soldiers were. He never said that he was at the capture, though Guevara's quote of "I'm worth more alive to you than dead" is widely reported. We must call into question Rodriguez's honesty, for he claims he killed Guevara. It is commonly agreed that he was lying, trying to make himself look better in the eyes of opponents of the Cuban Revolution. I will make edits where appropriate. Punkche 17:20 7 Feb 2004 (MST)
- As you can see from the photo, Rodriquez was present at the capture and execution of Guevara. And, he did say he was present. When Che was captured it was Rodriguez who interrogated him. After his execution he took Che's Rolex watch as a souvenir (he still wears it today). TDC
- That picture is of Che and Rodriguez at the La Higuera schoolhouse. Rodriguez arrived there the day after Guevara was captured. According to Rodriguez, he heard of Guevara's capture while rigging government aircraft on October 8th, and relayed the message to the CIA and left for La Higuera. This is according to the Author of "Shadow Warrior," John Weisman's, interview with Rodriguez on June 16, 1995. Punkche
- This article is turning into crap !
Ericd 21:49, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- And why is this article turning into crap? Is it because some of us dont buy into your version of comrade Che as some kind of communist Jesus Christ superstar and have evidence to back it up? TDC
- It is turning into crap because it's seems t~hat NPOV isn't in the project of some contributors.
Ericd 22:11, 13 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Try all contributors. TDC
- If we quit bickering and try to stop inserting POV entries into the article, this article will stay good. I think we have some issues because people for and against Che have a lot of passion about the issue, but that should not neutralize the NPOV objectives of the Wikipedia.
- In my own research for the article, I've used both Che's own writings and, in regards to his death, the most neutral book I've found on Che, "The Fall of Che Guevara" by Henry Butterfield Ryan. A lot of the information posted recently has contradicted first hand accounts of Che's death and this book in particular. If we say "some people say _______ and some say ______" that will end up NPOV, as opposed to "Che was a coward and died like one," or "Che was the best revolutionary in history."
- I strongly disagree with TDC about all contributers being POV. The issues that have been brought up by the nearly vandelous anonymous posts have been addressed. Che's tenure at the La Higuera Fortress and the executions there have been added, though without the extremely inflated 5,000-10,000 numbers that cannot be corraborated. Is this a worthy edit, or do you consider it POV, TDC?
- punkche 19:45, 13 Feb, 2004 (MST)
Somewhere along the way, in the contentious editing of the material on Rodriguez's account of the execution, the following phrase was removed by TDC: "and that, as he was about to be shot, despite the wounds to his legs Che stood up to take the bullets." TDC, was this removed (apparently without comment) because you believe there is no evidence that Rodriguez said that (which may be true, but merits discussion here)? Or because you thought it unimportant (which seems an odd decision)? Or just were you just quietly removing material that isn't politically to your liking (which seems out of line if the material is decently sourced and germane)? -- Jmabel 21:59, 20 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- I want to add that I do not believe Rodriguez is a good source of information, and he is the one who relates this information. If that information is added back into the article, I think we must explain Rodriguez's motivations for claiming he killed Guevara, and how propping Guevara up as a hero played into Rodriguez's account. Punkche Punkche 08:05, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
- Fine by me, it's just odd that when the anecdote about the watch was added, this was removed. I agree that Rodriguez is, at best, a compromised witness, but there really aren't any entirely trusted and neutral witnesses to Che's last days, are there? It's probably with recounting the material, with appropriate qualifications, but I was just concerned that if we are going to quote Rodriguez it's particularly inappropriate to leave out those statements in his account that redound to Che's credit. -- Jmabel 09:12, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Here's a link to the famous 1965 letter : http://www.sozialistische-klassiker.org/Che/Chee07.html How can you infer something about "nuclear first strike". Ericd 19:12, 25 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Because that is his April 1st farewell letter, not his letter to Castro commenting on the Cuban missile crisis. TDC 01:13, Apr 26, 2004 (UTC)
Give a source for the letter commenting on the Cuban missile crisis please. Ericd 07:14, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
John Gerassi, The Speeches and Writings of Ernesto Che Guevara TDC 13:54, Apr 26, 2004 (UTC)
- Can we please get the sources of this obviously controversial material into the article, or else this is just going to flare up into a fight every 2 months. -- Jmabel 17:42, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
In many countries of the world what is the normal penalty for traitors during a war ? Ericd 20:13, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Well, from my knowledge, which I would almost guarantee is greater than yours on the UMCOJ, there is a general court martial, a trial, and sentence. That sentence can range from imprisonment to death. They dont just take suspected traitors out in the street and shoot them. TDC 20:23, Apr 26, 2004 (UTC)
And what kind of trial had Guevara ? Ericd 21:14, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
How the fuck should I know? Guevara was a foreign fighter stirring up a hornets nest. Anyways, it is not relavent, so go find a zippo and torch your little straw man. TDC 23:23, Apr 26, 2004 (UTC)
- I repeat my earlier remark: can we please get the sources of this obviously controversial material into the article. A large piece of this article is turning into a collection of unattributed claims. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia article, not a diatribe. And I was worried that I might have been a bit polemical in Hunger Circus? Also, the talk page is supposed to be a discussion and a forum for a difficult collaboration, not a place to insult each other. And, by the way, the word is spelled "relevant." -- Jmabel 00:09, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Well la-tee-da college boy. I already gave the source.
- John Gerassi, The Speeches and Writings of Ernesto Che Guevara TDC 00:16, Apr 27, 2004 (UTC)
- Can you please quote the speech ?
- Ericd 03:35, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- TDC is it your source ?http://noleaders.net/anok/reports/chewasastalinistfuck.htm]
- Source on what area? I did not use that website if that is what you are implying. TDC 04:58, Apr 27, 2004 (UTC)
- I should conclude that you use both the same sources ? But which one.
- Ericd 05:20, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- According to this site http://www.cubaliberal.org/english/040308-killerchic.htm Guevara is supposet to have wrote in his diary :
"I ended the problem giving him a shot with a .32 pistol in the right side of the brain, with exit orifice in the right temporal. He gasped for a little while and was dead. Upon proceeding to remove his belongings I couldn¹t get off the watch tied by a chain to his belt, and then he told me in a steady voice farther away than fear: "Yank it off, boy, what does it matterŠ" I did so and his possessions were now mine." It seems to be reported in the "The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1999), p. 652." The problem is that I can't find this in Guevara diary see http://chehasta.narod.ru/traitor.htm I'd like to know if you have a good primary source ? Ericd 05:36, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- In La Cabana Fortress all the person sentenced to death had a lawyer an could form an appeal, thus I revert.
- Ericd 17:49, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- As laughable as the idea of a Cuban kangaroo court is, I was not refering to the "Trials" at La Caban, but rather Che's judge jury and executioner approach during the revolution. Thus I revert. Booyah. TDC 18:04, Apr 27, 2004 (UTC)
- Your text is unclear please rewrite. BTW, how many executions during the revolution reported in Guevara's diary ? Do you have other sources ?
- Ericd 18:10, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)
abominable
i think the most recent version of the che guevara page is an offence to his memory. i find it hard to believe that such disregard for neutrality has been allowed to pervade on this site for so long. the article is poorly written, inaccurate and takes infomation from sources that are clearly biased towards an american style world view, as does the author.
now im not saying che guevara was perfect but an entry of this nature does need to at least cover all aspects of his life - birth to death - this article however focuses on on the latter half of his life and furthermore distorts the relationship that che guevara had with fidel castro once the revoloution had been carried out.
in short im going to ask for the page to be deleted and started from scratch - to be written by a group of people that can come up with a less biased entry than this insult.
You're wasting your time, the article isn't going to get deleted. Discuss what you think is wrong with it here, on the talkpage. [[User:DO'Neil|DO'Иeil]] 05:03, Jul 12, 2004 (UTC)
Quotations
We've been accumulating an awful lot of quotes lately. Cut down to three or less, move the rest to WikiQuote & link there? -- Jmabel 18:17, Jul 2, 2004 (UTC)
- I agree. Also, that section on ideology is a mess, just a bunch of muddled quotes. -- Viajero 18:40, 2 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I started rewriting/reorganizing the article on my MS Word browser, hoping to integrate more of a stress on ideology with a chronologically organized biography. As of this edit, the work is incomplete. If some of the text got scattered around in the process, please go ahead and revert my changes. 172 11:41, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- I still need to work on a number of rough patches, but I'm getting too tired now. 172
- Outstanding job, 172. One comment: it has been said that Che made a tactical error in Bolivia; that he would have found far more support among the highly unionized and radicalized miners in the altiplano than he found among the campesinos in the lowlands of Santa Cruz. I don't know however whether this is too speculative to be added, and if not, where it would be appropriate to mention it. -- Viajero 21:06, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
In with some certainly good recent edits...
"...he completed his medical studies while intensifying his study of Marxism," became "he completed his medical studies as quickly as he could to enable him to continue his adventures travelling around South America." I don't know the facts here, so I'm just flagging it. -- Jmabel 02:35, Jul 8, 2004 (UTC)
This is featured article candidate
This article is currently nominated for featured status (see Wikipedia:Featured article candidates). It wasn't a self-nomination and there were a few objections, I am taking it upon myself to try to resolve the objections so we can get this very good article featured. The most visible change is that I am going to remove the infobox. It is not standard for biographical articles, and the data it adds is (or at least should be in the lead section) anyway. If you think this is wrong, it would be helpful if you could reply at the candidates pages as well as here. (i.e. don't just kill the messenger :-)). Pcb21| Pete 17:46, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Info box removed.
Another objection on that page is that there are too many quotes, and that some or all should be removed to wikiquote, and an external link added. Do you agree? If so, which, if any, are the most significant quotes that should be kept? Pcb21| Pete 18:15, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- As I nominated it, I figured I could do something vaguely useful. I have reduced the number of quotes to five, based on those that appealed to me than any kind of historical significance, and added link to a very comprehensive page at Wikiquote. Palnu 21:55, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The Iconic Image
This image appears to be copyrighted: see Image_talk:Cheicon.jpg. I don't see any fair use argument for using it here. I suggest that we remove the image from here, and incorporate a text reference to Che Guevara (photo), where its use is justifiable under fair use. Markalexander100 09:00, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- That picture is everywhere. Who has it copyrighted? --Tothebarricades.tk 12:00, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Read Che Guevara (photo). BTWI'm the one who noticed that this picture wasn't public domain. I think we are not in contradiction with Korda but Markalexander100 & 172 seems to see thing differently. However I wonder if Korda's heirs can claim copyright on Fitzpatrick's work and if Fitzpatrick can claim copyright on Andy Warhol's work ?
Ericd 16:59, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I've made some minor adjustments. The only significant change was deleting "As a consequence" from the Congo section- his success in the Cuban fighting implies that he wasn't totally incompetent, and there are other reasons for failure in the Congo mentioned in the article. Markalexander100 06:45, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Great improvement Guys ! We have byzantine discussion about the use of the Korda's photo that isn't fully public domain, and we replace it with a famous photo taken by René Burri (I think) which isn't at all public domain. Ericd 09:03, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Korda's photo that isn't fully public domain Like my slightly pregnant girlfriend. Anyway, we now have a nice PD version. Which is the Burri pic? Markalexander100 11:40, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- This one File:Che guevara black and white bust photograph.jpg.
- My two cents that this one was on the same roll http://www.museodellafotografia.it/Mostre/mostre%20di%20attualita/attualita/Che%20Guevara%20-%20di%20Ren%E8%20Burri/Ren%E8%20Burri%20-%20Magnum%20Photos%20-%20Che%20Guevara.html
- Ericd 21:34, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I've added that to the page info. I think a portrait is fair use, anyway. Markalexander100 04:31, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Lynch
I notice that "Lynch" was recently edited in, then back out, of Guevara's name. I know I have seen him referred to as "Che Guevara Lynch" and Google shows 314 hits for this. Does anyone know exactly what the story is, and might it merit at least an aside or even and a.k.a. in the article? -- Jmabel 18:16, Jul 18, 2004 (UTC)
Che's full name is Ernesto Guevara de la Serna. His father's name is Ernesto Guevara Lynch; a reference to some Irish heritage in the family. To use Lynch in this article would be incorrect. [[User:DO'Neil|DO'Иeil]] 12:21, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC)
Bolivia Dates
Can someone expound on the dating of events in the section on Bolivia. Not a single year is mentioned throughout that section. The last previous date is 1965, the year he went missing. And there's not even a year of death given; one has to glean that from the headers at the beginning of the article. This all leaves the reader knowing month/day dates, but left wondering which years between 1965 and 1967 all of it really took place. Thanks --patton1138 20:24, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The Motorcycle Diaries...
I just saw the film The Motorcycle Diaries yesterday, and there were some inconsistancies between the story told here and the film's version. I do not mean to suggest this article is incorrect, only that the discrepancies deserve investigation:
- Alberto Granado Was a biochemist, and not a doctor.
- Did Ernesto ever complete his medical degree? According to the film version, he leaves his university with a term incomplete.
- What happened after his tour with Alberto? We know he went on to help lead a revolution, however what occured between these events?
--Salimfadhley 02:03, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Guevera completed his medical degree after his travel around South America. Ericd
dealing sanely with incendiary material
The passage beginning, "To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary..." needs more of a citation than "Guevara would later write...". These are incendiary words. I have no idea whether he wrote them or not, and if so I have no idea in what context, nor does "Guevara would later write..." give me any way to verify or falsify the claim. I'm not going to edit it right now, but if no one provides a citation in the next few days, I will probably feel free simply to delete it as an unverifiable claim. -- Jmabel 19:06, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)
Just see above~discussion these kind of quotes without source aren't acceptable IMO. Ericd 19:20, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I have found a source, but what kind of source are we looking for? My source is an article with a quote attributed to Guevara, but I will look for a prime source if you want. Realistically though, how many people would honestly be surprised if this turns out to be a verifiable quote? TDC 19:22, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)
I won't be surprised if it's real, nor will I be surprised if it's not. A primary source would, of course, be best. Second best is something which, in turn, has a clear citation of a primary source. Otherwise, it should not be "Guevara would later write..." but "according to [whatever], "Guevara later wrote..." -- Jmabel 19:52, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)
It's been 4 more days, and all we have is TDC's assertion that he's seen an unspecified article that attributes the quote to Guevara. I am pulling the paragraph from the article to be restored when it has a citation. -- Jmabel 20:36, Sep 6, 2004 (UTC)
- Guevara would later write: "To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of The Wall!"
{{FAC}}
should be substituted at the top of the article talk page.
Date of birth
There are two different dates of birth given by different sources: 14 June 1928 and 14 May 1928.
- Through most of the early history of this article, the date of birth was given as June 14, 1928.
- On 2 Sep 2004, an anon changed the article to say May 14, 1928, without giving any explanation.
- On 17 Sep 2004, another anon changed the article back to say June 14, 1928, just saying "Date of birth" in the edit summary.
- On 17 Sep 2004, yet another anon posted a message at the Wikipedia:Reference desk pointing out that May 14 was the correct date.
- On 18 Sep 2004, I did some googling to verify the claim, and edited the article accordingly.
—AlanBarrett 10:37, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Why the box?
It dosen't seem to give any information that isn't equally readily available in the opening paragraph, and merely clutters up the page, nor have I seen boxes in widespread use for people across the wikipedia. I think it should be removed, unless some use can be found for it - say putting links to the article about the "Che Photo" or some fact that is not right there next to it in the introduction.
> Has anybody a source for this statement ? In my opinion this is propaganda - Valladares is not a peaceful poet but was police officer during the Baptista era and was convicted for conducting terrorist bombings.
In 1959, Che Guevara was appointed commander of the La Cabana Fortress prison. During his term as commander of the fortress from 1959-1963, he oversaw the executions of hundreds of political prisoners and regime opponents (estimates range from 500 to 1700). Many individuals imprisoned at La Cabana, such as poet and human rights activist Armando Valladares, allege that Guevara took particular and personal interest in the interrogation, torture, and execution of some prisoners.
I wondered where you obtained your information that Armando Valladares was a Batista era police official, so I did a bit of digging. Seems as is your source was the Granma Internationale article written on the heels of a UN resolution condemning the human rights situation in Cuba [1]. Execelent source, but a few problems, Valladares was only 19 when Batista was sent packing. Highly unlikely that he was, as the Granma article suggested, a high ranking Police official.
Nothing more pathetic that someone who cant just take his lickings and leave. No wonder you love Taliban so much. TDC 15:49, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)