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I believe your political maturity is more of an issue, anyway... I grow bored, back to work for me --[[User:NorthernCounties|NorthernCounties]] ([[User talk:NorthernCounties|talk]]) 11:41, 16 September 2010 (UTC) |
I believe your political maturity is more of an issue, anyway... I grow bored, back to work for me --[[User:NorthernCounties|NorthernCounties]] ([[User talk:NorthernCounties|talk]]) 11:41, 16 September 2010 (UTC) |
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Who mentioned politics? I guess your agenda has become more obvious with that comment. And again you have failed to answer the question! :) and back in your box. good boy![[User:Factocop|Factocop]] ([[User talk:Factocop|talk]]) 11:45, 16 September 2010 (UTC) |
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Protection
You can unprotect the article now that Cyberfox1954 has agreed that they were wrong and will now presumably stop messing. On the other hand perhaps you should block Cyberfox1954. (Look at the history of their edits during August - not normal!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.64.148 (talk) 14:23, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
The Airport actually has 3 runways.
The Article states that the airport has only one runway when this is strictly incorrect. Eglinton airfield has 3 runways with 1 being temporarily beyond use and the other 2 being serviceable if required. The main runway designated 26/08 complies with full CAA standards and can cater for all types of aircraft. The shorter runway 02/20 was very occasionally used by small private aircraft when the wind direction permitted and is still often used by helicopters when arriving from the south.
Does anyone hold particular views on this one way or the other? --78.33.101.58 (talk) 12:50, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
- The UK AIP (here) states both in textual data and on the Aerodrome Chart that 08/26 is the only licensed runway at the airfield. SempreVolando (talk) 13:37, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
- Could be because 02/20 does not have any lights or an ILS approach system. The 02/20 runway is most certainly used by aircraft and on the authority of the ATC'S. --78.33.101.58 (talk) 13:49, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
- Interesting, my company Jeppesen charts also show only one runway (08/26), however Google Earth satellite view clearly shows runway 02/20 with designators and the runway appears open (no crosses painted). The airport website also shows two runways available (on this page). It seems unusual that there is no mention of runway 02/20 in the AIP though. SempreVolando (talk) 14:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
- Here is where the runway was tagged as closed. I suspect that both the airport site and Google Earth have just not been updated as the chart does show several "X" on the runway. Google don't always update as often as you would like. The image from where I live is about 2 years old and a lot of Scotland is still very poor. A look at the chart would indicates that 02/20 is unused, taxiway C and H and at the south end has a helicopter training area. I think the OP is correct. Helicopters land in the training area and then taxi in. Also rather than if "...wind direction permits..." it's more that small aircraft use the 02/20 when forced to by wind conditions. We get aircraft who will occasionally land on the taxiway if the wind is strong enough to force that and on a very few occasions I have had aircraft, like the Cessna Skymaster, land and takoff on the apron. As long as there are no regulations against using it then aircraft will if the conditions favour it. By the way what used to be the third runway does have severl "X"'s in the Google image and what is I assume, based on the chart, a firehall at the south end. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 16:25, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
The Google map for the airport is very much out of date. The second runway has now had its 02/20 delineators removed and white "X" markings painted at each end of the runway to delineate its non-use. The third runway still exists but has storage sheds and a fire fighters training zone placed half-way along it. It is also used as a parking zone away from the terminal for small aircraft visiting the airport and as a refuelling area for Police and Search & Rescue helicopters. --78.33.101.58 (talk) 13:39, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- 02/20 would have to be maintained. It's both a helicopter area and two taxiways. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 09:59, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
- The helicopters use the grass triangle area to the north of and midway along 08/26 to practice hover manoeuvres.--78.33.101.58 (talk) 14:17, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
Bulgaria flights
Flights will operate on Mondays from Derry to Bourgas from 21st June 2010 until 2nd August 2010. [1]
This info is carried within the History section as it does not exist at the moment. Showing it as seasonal would only lead readers to believe thaat it currently exists as a current destination when this is not the case and will not be the case until June 2010. --Cyber Fox (talk) 22:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
- The listing as it stands is in accordance with WP:AIRPORTS:
- Airlines and destinations
- ...
- For future destinations, add: "[begins date service begins]" - after the destination. References should be provided.
- Works fine on all other airport pages. SempreVolando (talk) 22:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
CyberFox1954 - you're quite the messer! Look at the history of your edits, and re-edits and reverts and undos. Have you not seen the "Show preview" option instead of constantly saving your edits and messing up the history not to mention cluttering the hard disks of wikipedia with your 10 attempts to make one change. Furthermore, you were quite beligerent in your attempt to impose your version of the truth, threatening to block other users who wouldn't agree with you. This is not your article, it is a wikipedia article belonging to all and as such others editors have a right to make changes. What is utterly laughable is that in the end you agreed you were wrong. Now if you had looked at the facts in the first place instead of bull-headedly insisting you were right you could have avoided all the messing...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.64.148 (talk) 14:15, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- The information was added without references, users have a right to remove unreferenced data. Then you started vandalising pages by removing other people's conversations. Now please stop commenting on other editors and concentrate on building an encyclopaedia. Comment on content not editors. Canterbury Tail talk 15:33, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Yaaaawn...when you have finished spewing procrastinations maybe you will consider registering instead of making comments behind an IP cloak! Oh and by the way we usually sign our edits!! --Cyber Fox (talk) 15:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Your dynamic IP didn't get you far yesterday, abuse of editing privileges on Wikipedia will always be dealt with effectively no matter how many IP's you choose to hide behind whilst being abusive to other users. LOL --Cyber Fox (talk) 15:04, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- "Your dynamic IP didn't get you far yesterday" - The article is exactly as I wrote it.
- "Then you started vandalising pages by removing other people's conversations." - I vandalised nothing. I edited. Now if you don't like what I edited, feel free to edit it yourself but be aware that if I don't like what you have edited that I will merely re-edit it, just as you are free to do. It's not your encyclopedia!
- Now before you lazily choose to remove content in future, perhaps you should check its veracity (not difficult - a google search should suffice) and if you feel it needs further referencing then feel free to add it. Don't however just think that you can remove content simply because you don't know whether it is true or not.
- The Bulgaria flights were a fact when you removed them, and are still a fact. "Concentrate on building an encyclopaedia!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.149.64.148 (talk) 17:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
- Put simply your edit did not comply with the project guide [1] Maybe you should take some time out to read it! --Cyber Fox (talk) 19:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Maybe you should both chill out. The next one of you who makes a personal comment against the other, or some semblence of a personal attack, will be blocked. And that includes the IP editor as we can block the entire IP range you're editing from. Also this goes for continuously deleting conversations from talk pages. Canterbury Tail talk 19:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
" . . . as we can block the entire IP range". I'm sure the millions of Talk Talk users would find that a little extreme just for the sake of the Derry Airport discussion page, but go ahead!
Pictures
Please, Please, Please! Can someone obtain images of the actual terminal that could be used on the top right hand side of the page just under the airport logo, like that of Cork Airport. The airport terminal is quite aesthetically pleasing as airport terminals come. Also may serve as a future history image after the expansion of the terminal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NorthernCounties (talk • contribs) 11:18, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Is it possible to get this image or a similar one on the page: http://www.cityofderryairport.com/viewgallery.asp?id=6 It'd be really nice! --NorthernCounties (talk) 19:48, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Deleted section
As to the deleted conversation section, the Derry/Londonderry debate has been rehearsed ad-infinitum on the Derry discussion page, it even has its own article. This is the airport page, it has no place here. I do not intend to stiffle debate merely encourage the debate to take place in the correct place. This discussion page is a work in progress, evolving, changing. On occasion this involves archiving content that is no longer relevant to the discussion page, so as to keep the page relevant, concise and brief. This was done recently on the Derry discussion, infact I think it was done by you . . . . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.198.151 (talk) 14:12, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
- Archiving is archiving, not deletion of conversations. Especially old conversations. Canterbury Tail talk 11:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
- The name discussion was relevant to the article. It may have ended up meandering but it was relevant. Anyway I've had to protect this talk page due to multiple SPA anons deleting conversations. Canterbury Tail talk 13:45, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
Irish Translation
Is it necessary to have an Irish Translation? Surely in the interests of fairnesss an ulster scots translation should also be included. Also the other major airports in Northern Ireland to have not been translated into Irish so why the need to do this with the City of Derry Airport? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Factocop (talk • contribs) 16:59, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
- While I have no time for Factocop's attitude in many of his wiki-activities this week, he raises a valid point. Neither of the Belfast airports have their Irish, or Ulster Scots, names in the lead paragraph: Cardiff and Anglessey airports have the Welsh names, and 2 of the 5 Scottish international airports give the Scottish Gaelic version (no Cornish for Newquay airport though :@) )
- Signage of public buildings in Northern Ireland generally gives either one or three languages: new signs rarely give two, so the situation prior to the recent editwarring seems difficult to justify. There should be, as a basic minimum, consistency between the three international airports in NI, and verification of the grounds for inclusion of that which is challenged: that consistency might be applicable across all areas of the UK that are not monolingual is also desireable. Kevin McE (talk) 15:02, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- Point acknowledged, however, the Derry article is inline with other airports in the Island of Ireland, There is an irish name for the airport, and hence why it is included. There also seems to be more sinister aspects to the edits occuring by Factocop which seems to be the removal of all references of the City it serves Derry. Except those which can't be named otherwise, I.e the Airport itself and the Council who owns the majority stake.--NorthernCounties (talk) 15:09, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Kevin has pointed out as I have prior that neither Belfast International or Belfast City Airports carry an Irish translation so to say that it is consistent with other Airports in Ireland is about 60% correct. The City of Derry Airport is in Northern Ireland where Irish and Ulster Scots are spoken as well as English so if you are to include and Irish Translation then an Ulster Scots translation should also be included or just have no translation. Nothing sinister here, but to say that it only serves Derry City is inaccurate. And please no personal attacks.Factocop (talk) 15:20, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- Factocop, then instead of just removing Irish, how about you see it's uniformly introduced, aswell as Ulster Scots (However Derry Airport does note it being known as my some by Londonderry Airport. Further if you have an issue with it saying it serves Derry, you have quite a task at hand, reverting every Airport in existance. Belfast City does not just serve Belfast City... does it? Thats one mere example. The airport serves Derry, hence it's name.--NorthernCounties (talk) 15:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Belfast City Airport is actually in the City where as City of Derry Airport is outside the city at Eglinton. The reason why City of Derry Airport carries this name is because I don't think too many people would know where they were flying to if it were called Eglinton Airport much the same reason why Belfast International Airport is not called Antrim International. To call it is Londonderry Airport is probably more accurate given that it is in County Londonderry but given that general consensus over rules fact, I would probably find it difficult to find a number of people to agree with me larger than the clique that patrol this page.Factocop (talk) 15:36, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Also wiki user VirtualRevolution informed me on the Derry City FC discussion board that Wikipedia only permits one language translation so I am sure it possible to have both translations.Factocop (talk) 15:40, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- I would like to see were this was said, the block status on the page even notes that it made not be in the agreed state. You can not also say there more proper name for the airport would be Londonderry Airport when its official name is City of Derry Airport. It's like saying Northern Ireland article could be renames the realm to the north east of the island of ireland. Belfast International states it serves Belfast... thats a good bit further out than Derry. The airport is there, and funded by the council, why? to serve derry and it's rate payers! Serves Derry will be reintroduced--NorthernCounties (talk) 15:52, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- It would be slightly weird to name it "City of Londonderry" when "City of Derry Airport" is all over http://www.cityofderryairport.com/. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:53, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- No such thing was said on the Derry City talkpage: he said that simply translating Derry City Football Club into Ulster Scots and posting it would be OR.
- Northern Counties' claim that Irish on the Derry Airport article is not borne out by the Belfast airports, and was a disingenuous claim. I would like to see current official documentation that indicates the Irish use, and strongly suspect that this will also show the Ulster Scots. I used Belfast International airport this year and both "secondary" languages were in equal prominence.
- The field in the airport infobox for "city served" seems rather daft: people use an airport to reach a hinterland that could be very extensive: is there advice at that infobox's talkpage as to how its use is envisaged? I've used Derry airport to get to a wedding in West Cork! (well, started a cycling trip that ended there) Kevin McE (talk) 16:15, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- I would like to point out that I implied that the inclusion of Ulster Scots would not be outrageous and that he should, if he is so passionate about the topic, seek the inclusion in all northern airports instead of removal. However I do fear at this rate, we'll even have to include Esperanto at somepoint! I to have used Glasgow airport to get to Aberdeen before and even Sharm el Sheik, but that doesn't remove the face that it is a point in the infobox.
- I reitterate the fact that it is the rate payers of Derry that pay for the airport, and only pay for it, because it serves those rate payers and inhabitants in the City Council region.--NorthernCounties (talk) 16:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- Don't undermine a discussion with ridiculous comments like that about Esperanto: you will draw comparison with the editor who suggested that Derry City FC might be just as usefully labelled in Chinese this week, and I think you'll know who that was! Public buildings in Northern Ireland are now usually signed in three languages: is there any NPOV argument that two languages are suitable?
- I can guess who it was... But in the new era of peace and serenity regarding N.I topics, I think definitely instead of ignoring the two languages, they should both be present. And I think if this maintains peace on Wikipedia, it would be widely accepted. Ahh, the complexities of N.I. (Maybe that aforementioned editor could edit or start the Chinese article on Derry City FC, then Chinese would be approriate!) --NorthernCounties (talk) 19:33, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- Fields in infoboxes can always be left blank: the documentation at the infobox says of that field "If the airport is associated with a major city but actually located in a smaller town, list the major city here and the smaller town under location." Given that the "major city" is already in the name of the airport, it seems redundant, but if anything is to go in there, then Derry would seem to be the appropriate thing to put. Kevin McE (talk) 19:15, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
My previous point had been deleted by someone but to say that the city of derry airport is funded only by taxpayers is wrong. Are you telling me that there is no airport tax at the airport? http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/about_us/office_in_northern_ireland/press_releases/0609_en.htm - someone is lying here. Either Northern Counties or The European Commission?Factocop (talk) 16:34, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
The Airport is called City of Derry Airport but it isnt in the city but it is in the County so it would be more accurate to call it County Londonderry Airpor. Dont worry about official names, on wikipedia you don't have to use the officail name or else there would be a Londonderry wikipedia page.Factocop (talk) 16:46, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- You really need to review WP:POINT before going too much further down this line of thought. (Besides, the airport byelaws were authored by the "Derry City Council", not "Londonderry City Council") --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:51, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Sarek, i am just saying that official names don't really mean anything on here. Not to go off record but the council is called Derry City Council but the city is called Londonderry. anyway...my point is that the Airport does not only serve Londonderry/Derry but the surrounding area and that it is not only Derry City Council taxpayers that pay for it. It is an airport that has been supported by the European funding aswell as charging a tax like all airports on their flights. Still waiting for NorthernCounties reply.Factocop (talk) 17:05, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- I don't see your argument here? The EC grants aid to any area and every area within Europe. Even the West Coast Main Line in Britian is funded for partially under the European TEN-T project. That's what happens when you inhabit Europe. Fact is the airport wouldn't be operational if it weren't for Derry City Council and its ratepayers!--NorthernCounties (talk) 18:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- Just to remind editors that they should not change the article while a discussion is ongoing and wait for it to either gain a consensus for change or the status quo applies first. Just a suggestion why cant the article have the alternate languages in the infobox (like in the Derry article) rather than in the lead sentence. MilborneOne (talk) 18:30, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- Hi MilborneOne, the article was reverted by myself as the article was changed to the "unreverted state" at one persons preference, this has been reverted back now to the status quo, until consensus can be achieved. --NorthernCounties (talk) 18:36, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- Understood, sometimes when protection is applied it can be to what is seen as the "wrong" version. But the onus is on editors requiring a change to get a consensus before it is changed, no consensus for change then the status quo remains. MilborneOne (talk) 18:42, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
I removed the Irish translation of the name, per the Belfast Airport examples. Unless we have a source showing that's an official alternate name for the airport, rather than just a translation, I think we can leave it out. Shannon Airport shows both names at the top of http://www.shannonairport.com/index.html, so it makes sense there. Here, not so much.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:51, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
- I think NC provided several reference for the use of the Irish translation of the Airport and I see no reason for this reference material being removed. Bjmullan (talk) 21:30, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
My view would have been along the lines of WP:Consistency but since that is no longer in force I would say in the intersts of fairness, you do need to either just have the English name only, if there are no reliable sources for it as SarekOfVulcan (which would be my preference) says or if you must have the irish name, you should have the Ulster Scots name too. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 07:45, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
I am happy with the consensus reached. Obviously NC wasn't able to back up his claims that the Airport is only paid for by Derry City Council tax payers given that they charge airport tax on all their flights and that it is not only taxpayers who use the airport for flights. I don't expect a retraction but there is the need to highlight inaccurate information. Obviously to say that it serves Derry and only Derry is inaccurate but given that the Belfast Airports suggest that they serve only Belfast, then it is consistent with the other airports in Northern Ireland.Factocop (talk) 08:33, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
- Factocop, just to stop your attacks about it not being susidised by Derry Rate payers... which is the only reason the airport services, heres not 1, not 2 but 3 references... http://www.supportcityofderryairport.co.uk/, http://www.derrycity.gov.uk/rates/district.htm, http://www.niauditoffice.gov.uk/pubs/LocalGovtAudit/20072008/Derry_CC_Annual_Audit_Letter_07_08.pdf. Furthermore as BJMullan has agreed and you are all ignoring, 5 references are available for the Irish name! --NorthernCounties (talk) 10:52, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
NC, you did not say 'sudsidise'. You said that the Airport was paid for entirely by the ratepayers of Derry City Council! Maybe re-read your posts again. Its not the validity of the source that is in question. It really does go to show that you have ignored every other post other than your own. The question is, is there a need for the irish translation in the first place given that the other major airports in Northern Ireland do not have a translation. I understand the need for a translation on the Belfast City page because it carries some meaning in irish but to translate the name of City of Derry Airport into irish just for the sake of it is pointless. And if you wish to include an Irish translation then please then provide a source for an ulster scots translation!Factocop (talk) 11:09, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Every airport charges their passengers, but the charge is minimal when Ryanair are involved. The fact is, if the tax payer didn't fund the airport, it wouldn't be able to operate, for passengers to even pay a small charge. Finally if you like being so fussy on details, the Irish department for transport can be applicable to Ulster. Since Ulster is 9 counties! But that's just scruitinising as you would--NorthernCounties (talk) 11:14, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
I understand that there probably aren't enough flights going out of the airport so it is not exaxtly the most financially viable so ofcourse as it is council owned, the taxpayers would contribute to its up keep but to say that it was entirely run under the steam of the taxpayers, and to ignore eu and government funding along with passengers who pay to use the airport was well ...not wise. I guess next time, say what you mean and mean what you say and try and be a bit more open minded. You can start by reading other peoples posts. And yes well done Ulster has 9 Counties. Big Star for you.Factocop (talk) 11:21, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
- Well as long as we no the airport survives thanks to the Derry Rate payer... how about you now find references for the ulster scots name, and just because you dont have an ulster scots translation, doesn't mean you can through the toys out of your pram, and refuse the 5 times certified Irish name, which references hail from North and South--NorthernCounties (talk) 11:25, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Again, you really do need to start reading other posts. Why do you think that the City of Derry Airport requires an Irish Translation in the first place? given that none of the other airports in Northern Ireland have a translation. toys? very mature!Factocop (talk) 11:35, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
I believe your political maturity is more of an issue, anyway... I grow bored, back to work for me --NorthernCounties (talk) 11:41, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
Who mentioned politics? I guess your agenda has become more obvious with that comment. And again you have failed to answer the question! :) and back in your box. good boy!Factocop (talk) 11:45, 16 September 2010 (UTC)