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Calculation Error?
Why is it that under the trivia section, it says that Merckxx had a victory rate of greater than 1/3 (33%) when 1/3 of 1582 is 527 1/3 while Merckx won a total of 525 races.
Flemish or Walloon
Is he Flemish or Walloon? What's his mother tongue?
- He certainly considers himself Belgian instead of outspokenly Flemish or Walloon. I'd say he is equally fluent in both, but not really fluent in either. He's not a man of words, and only thanks to 45 years of interviews, he has achieved some form of oratory talent. JH-man 19:50, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
- Merckx was born in Meensel-Kiezegem and spent part of his childhood in Kraainem. As both communities are considered to be part of the Flemish speaking part of the country (by law, although the suburban area of Brussels on the Flemish part of the 'language border' accomodates french speakers in their own language) Merckx is Flemish. Merckx' alleged preference for french has never been proved, but a possible explanation can be found in the fact that his parents where traders in Brussels and as such would have been more exposed to French.
- Without doubt, Merckx is a symbol of Belgium, and there was much wailing and gnashing of teeth after his marriage to Claudine : the ceremony was performed in both languages but the actual vows were said in French.
- Another explanation for Merckx' awkwardness and lack of oratory skills in early life may be found in the wartime events at Meensel-Kiezegem where Gaston Merckx, a known collaborator had been shot by members of the resistance. All male inhabitants were arrested and 76 of them died in concentration camps. The Merckx clan then left for the suburbs of Brussels. The stress this caused to the family is cited as a contributing factor to the ferocious style of the early years of competition. Portici 19:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC)Portici
The question has not been fully answered. What language did he speak with his parents? Were they French or Dutch speaking? Did he go to French or Dutch school? The article doesn't inform us at all. And with his children he speaks French, doesn't he? 195.218.15.86 01:47, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Greatest Ever
Eddy Merckx is the greatest cyclist ever. Even Lance Armstrong states this himself.
More Greatest Ever
"is considered by many to be the greatest cyclist of the 20th Century" really is quite an understatement.
Out of curosity, how much beyond Lance Armstrong are his results? 66.68.106.103 05:28, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Armstrong dominates the tour. Merxkx dominated everything.
20th vs 21st century
The above comments clearly confuse 20th & 21st century ;-)
Note: This century just began, "greatest cyclist of the 20th Century" is more valuable than
6-7 times Tour de France winner in the early years of the 21st century.
Greatest Ever
Bestowing the title of greatest ever is not a function of wikipedia. Merckx has repeatedly stated that comparisons between him and Lance are a waste of time, the times and the races were different then. If Merckx get's an award for greatest cycler of all time then that data belongs in wikipedia. Otherwise present the actual data, and let people come to that conclusion themselves.
--63.229.127.222 16:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Explain to me exactly why it is that you can't compare because the 'times and races were different then'. L'Equipe in an effort to even out possible differences between contemporary racing and racing in Merckx' time concluded that only Bernard Hinault came close to Merckx' performance. As for the Tour de France, Merckx was advised by the organizing body not to participate in 1973, this when the cyclist was at the peak of his powers. After all, I never hear people say that you cannot possibly compare contemporary fighting and boxing during Mohammed Ali's career. Or is he declared 'the greatest' simply because he says he is?
Portici 22:15, 20 October 2006 (UTC) Portici
The only arguments that stand against Merckx being greatest ever are arguments that you can not pick a greatest ever. But in this case the gap is so huge that I think you can. Most Grand Tour wins. Most 5 monument wins (19 vrs. 11 for next closest). Fold in Worlds with 5 monuments and you get 22 vrs 11. Total the Grand Tours, 5 monuments and worlds wins and only Coppi and Hinault even reach the mark of having half of what Eddy does. I don't see how anyone can dispute that the top 2 tours are the Tour and Giro and that the top 2 single day races are the Worlds and Paris Roubaix. As of 1975 Merckx was tied for most wins in ALL 4 of these. Today he is tied for most wins for 2 and second most wins for the other 2. Only 3 other riders have even won all 4 races once.
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Talk page
Just a note that this talk page is to discuss the article as an encyclopedic entry, not for discussing Eddy Merckx as a person/athlete. Julius.kusuma 15:08, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Need cleanup
The introduction part of the article is becoming bloated as contributors add information to it without seeing how it can be integrated to later parts of the article. Would be great if somebody can collate all the information and re-sectionalize the article. Thanks. Julius.kusuma 12:15, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
reverted back to my version of dec 19th
Surely mistakes need to be corrected in Wikipedia, and duplicate sections should be removed? I don't want this to become an edit war at all, but when changes are reverted, an explanation would be nice? Looking forward to it...
81.188.79.116 19:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
Cleanup attempt
Well, I had a go at a cleanup operation for this article about my fellow countryman. Most information is still there, just rearranged and duplicates removed. Added some more significant info. I didn't systematically check stats or results though, just mostly kept the whole bunch. I hope it looks better now... 81.188.79.35 23:40, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks for the awesome cleanup work and the addition of the information! I am toning down the wording a little bit, but otherwise it looks great! Thanks again, and hup Belge! Or hup kasseinfretters, depending on where you live! Julius.kusuma 01:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
Removed Armstrong-reference in first paragraph
is considered by many to be the greatest cyclist of all-time (except for Lance Armstrong),
This really was an unnecessary addition, and Lance is mentioned later in the article. The original sentence could be read as "some consider Merckx the greatest of all time, some consider somebody else the greatest of all time". Adding Armstrong here doesn't change that.
I will probably add a small (balanced) paragraph about "greatest of all time or not" one of these days212.153.56.254 09:50, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Pronunciation
How is his last name correctly pronounced?
Like in "sex" => "mex" => "merx"
I wish I knew phonetics...--JH-man 20:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Magazine cover photo
The text of the copyright tag includes the following words:
Note: It is not acceptable to use images with this tag in the article of the person or persons depicted on the cover, unless used directly in connection with the publication of this image.
In other words, using a mag showing Merckx to illustrate this article isn't justifiable unless the publication of said mag is the point being discussed, not its subject. 86.132.138.151 03:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Fact check
According to this interview with Merckx:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2005/interviews/?id=eddy_merckx05
Merckx "only" had 445 professional wins. I think the total of 525x professional wins isn't accurate. If you disagree please provide sources.
CN: You had an incredible career, with 445 wins.
EM: As a professional, yes. I had about 100 victories as an amateur. Also, on the track, 17 six days and various championships.
--Meekrob 00:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Some Changes back
well, you (Meekrob) deleted quite some stuff I added, but I can live with most of it. However, a couple of things:
- -I reintroduced the 'namesake' remark; this Eddy Merckx really isn't the 3 cussion champion. His namesake is billiards champion. This was completely lost after you removed the sentence. I reworded it a bit.
- -Sorry! --Meekrob 18:49, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- - I reintroduced the white jersey part. You say it is not provable, but it is: the only reason why he didn't win the (current definition of) white jersey was that it didn't exist yet. If someone wins the Tour, AND he is under 25, he automatically wins the white jersey. You also can't use the argument that others might have tried harder to win the white jersey, and beaten Merckx, if it had existed, because obviously they had to win the yellow jersey in order to win the white one.
- -I still think this is a bad idea, although not as bad as speculating that Ali might would have beat Tyson. It's not good to put "would have's" in wikipedia. Still if nobody else has a problem with this then I don't either. --Meekrob 18:49, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- - what I didn't reintroduce yet, but argue to include in some form, is some of the objective arguments (the Daniel Manzarek listings) to place Merckx (with that much distance) on top of the list of best cyclists ever. I think this is relevant to get an idea what he achieved, also in relation to Lance Armstrong. Maybe not under a heading best cyclist of all times, but still it deserves some place?
- - I don't really think you can compare these two, they are from different eras. It's fine to speculate on fansites and forums, but unless you can put them in the same competition then you don't really get a definitive answer. Both Armstrong and Merckx dominated during the times in which they competed, what does comparing them achieve? I think it's better to stick to recorded facts. Let Merckx's achievements and records speak for themselves. I do think there is a place in the article to discuss the differences between racing in Merckx's time and "modern" times, as long as it isn't a disguised attempt to prove that Merckx is better than Armstrong. --Meekrob 18:49, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- - Well, I originally wrote a more elaborate version of the 'best cyclist ever?' section which included these 'differences', but later editors removed those parts. Check out the January 25, 2006 history page. Maybe we could agree to get it back in (at least partially)?JH-man 18:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
- - I don't really think you can compare these two, they are from different eras. It's fine to speculate on fansites and forums, but unless you can put them in the same competition then you don't really get a definitive answer. Both Armstrong and Merckx dominated during the times in which they competed, what does comparing them achieve? I think it's better to stick to recorded facts. Let Merckx's achievements and records speak for themselves. I do think there is a place in the article to discuss the differences between racing in Merckx's time and "modern" times, as long as it isn't a disguised attempt to prove that Merckx is better than Armstrong. --Meekrob 18:49, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
hour record
This is unfortunately no longer correct:
Hour record: 49.432 km, set in 1972.
Chris Boardman and Ondrej Sosenka have since beaten this record...
If I am mistaken and this is just all the records he set at that time, then please delete this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.175.84.17 (talk) 23:35, 3 March 2007 (UTC).
- I added the clarification that the section is for records that Merckx set during his career, and pointed out that the Hour record has subsequently been broken. Cheer, Doctormatt 23:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
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