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::How is due weight determined? What policy or guideline tells us that two sentences about the only famous Ford F-700 is too much? Or that the big block of unsourced material under the "First generation (2000-2015)" heading is the right amount of detail? What rule says that we need to mention some company making a knock-off?
::Anyone citing [[WP:Trivia]] in reference to this material hasn't read that page. [[User:Felsic2|Felsic2]] ([[User talk:Felsic2|talk]]) 21:07, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
:::If there is no consensus for adding the material, and currently there is not, the onus is on those wishing to add the material to show weight and get consensus. It is also important to note that this article doesn't cover the 1993 F-700 trucks. [[User:Springee|Springee]] ([[User talk:Springee|talk]]) 01:01, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
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Customization section?
One editor added this giant piece of text concerning customization. It has some good info (but no sources), but isn't entirely in wikipedia style and is a bit long compared to the rest of the article... what to do in situations like this?
"There are several companies that have built their business around customization of the F-650. High quality conversion to 4 wheel drive is common as is stretching the chassis and cab similar to stretch limousines. Adding a third door and an extra row of interior seating is common, as is grafting the back part of the Ford Excursion onto the F-650 creating what is likely the worlds largest "SUV". Other popular options include custom bumpers, winches, satellite TV with multiple displays for each passenger and or a big screen (in the range of 40+ inches) on retractable mounting in the back for your tailgate parties. Multiple exterior cameras, extra driving, fog and back-up lighting, additional fuel in custom tanks allowing 200 or more gallons of fuel and much more. These hyper customized units can range in cost from about $80,000 for a basic low end model to $250,000 or more depending upon the model chosen, the equipment added and the company doing the conversion. These extreme customized vehicles are commonly found in the garages of movie stars, professional sports figures and other very wealthy persons with a desire to stand out in a crowd by having a very large and somewhat unique vehicle. MPG numbers quoted by the various customization companies for the vehicles is surprisingly high, usually in the range of 12 to 14 MPG burning diesel which is the fuel of choice for most any vehicle of this size. While 12 to 14 MPG seems low when compared to todays average car, when compared to something more in line with the design and use structure of the F-650, someting like a 4 wheel drive 1 ton truck, or Ford Excursion, that routinely gets 8 to 16 MPG depending on engine, gearing and loading, 13 MPG is right in the same range and the F-650 is not as suceptable to MPG reduction with load increase as is the much smaller 1 ton cousin so the end user is likely to see a fairly constant MPG reguardless of load. Surprisingly, the turning radius of the large F-650 is actually tighter than that of almost all "Normal size" pick up trucks and SUVs making the beastly size SUV much more manuverable than one might think. To find more information on these customized vehicles try searching for "Ford F650" and add, "4x4" or "XUV" or of course, "Customized"" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.163.143.28 (talk) 06:56, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Sounds like a good idea to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FeralLynX (talk • contribs) 06:03, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
- IMHO, a customization section doesn't belong in this article.The companies that offer these customizations are typically not exclusive to this specific vehicle. If the author of the above section wants to write an article about any of the various companies who customize these vehicles, he may want to include this information in that article. Of course, I'm no expert. --Brendanmccabe (talk) 21:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Article expansion
I have several ideas on how this article could be expanded.
- First, there is no F-750 article. It is essentially the same vehicle with a heavier payload and GVW. It could be merged with this article.
- Second, the focus of this article could be broadened to include all medium-duty Fords. Obsolete models including the F600/6000, F700/7000, F800/8000, F900/9000 as well as the recently discontinued LCF.
- I had proposed on another article's talk page that Ford Commercial Trucks be its own article, this F-650 info could be merged into that one.
Thoughts, ideas, votes? --Brendanmccabe (talk) 21:42, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
- As far as that proposal goes, I agree with that; the 650 and 750 (although it's titled 650, the content covers both; it just has never been moved anywhere) are the latest models of a long-running product line and the product line itself needs its own article first (this could take some time). A Ford commercial truck article could consolidate all models together, as there are only articles only on the L-Series conventional heavy trucks, B-Series school bus cowl, C-Series cabover, and the Cargo cabover. (The LCF was a badge-engineered International truck). The best way to go would be to re-write this article (as it needs it), and link it into the "parent" Ford commercial truck article or whatever it will be called. --SteveCof00 (talk) 22:03, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Removal of Caterpillar engine
Just because the CAT engine is no longer offered as of 2011 does not mean that the engine specs and information should be removed from the page. Vehicle articles still retains what engines and specifications the vehicle had before. This information should be returned, and should be specified as -2010. FeralLynX (talk) 02:59, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
- Exactly, this is a vehicle that has been produced for 11 years. When a major change to the powertrain lineup is made, it should be noted that it is discontinued, not deleted from the page altogether (for the purposes of historical accuracy). --SteveCof00 (talk) 19:04, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
- As part of a page re-construction, I added that information back in. Just because a vehicle doesn't have an option now doesn't mean it never has had it at all. --SteveCof00 10:26, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Infobox question
I'm guessing this was likely copied off of the Ford website when the article was made, but what exactly are a "Pro Loader Kick-up Frame or Pro Loader Straight Frame" (as listed in the infobox)? --SteveCof00 21:53, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
Renaming page?
This is a pretty big proposal, but I'm floating the idea of renaming this page. As it is written now (and has been for several years), this particular vehicle is but one generation of a line of vehicles. Something along Ford F-Series (medium duty) makes a lot of sense, as the other Ford F-Series articles tend to concentrate on the pickup trucks. This is something that would need some expert help, though. --SteveCof00 (talk) 07:36, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Notoriety:A 1993 Ford F-700 was used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. Reply
I think this fact: "Notoriety:A 1993 Ford F-700 was used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing" belongs in this article because it is a notable fact about the vehicle's use and Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which includes notable facts about a subject and its use.
The vehicle does not exist in isolation, but is part of the world, and notable facts about the use of the vehicle in the world, belong in an encyclopedia, even if criminal and should not blocked or censored.CuriousMind01 (talk) 11:39, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose. If you think this is something we should be adding to articles please bring it up at project automobiles to get wider input. This edit stems from recent gun related discussions (see the Sig MCX article and discussions). However, in this case I think it would be very hard to argue the fact you wish to add has sufficient weight in reliable sources. Springee (talk) 04:13, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
Note This article is about the series of Ford medium duty trucks launched in 2000. The Oklahoma City bombing was in 1995. While F-700 redirects here it would appear that the Ford_B-Series page would be the appropriate place for this information assuming consensus for inclusion. Springee (talk) 05:31, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
A 1993 Ford F-700 was used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing Reply
I think the statements written by User:Dennis Bratland are valid, have due weight, and belong in an encyclopedia article.
- Primary discussion related to this addition has been occurring at Project Automobiles page [[1]]
- Currently there is no consensus for inclusion at the above with 3:2 opposing inclusion in any article covering the 1993 F-700. There are issues with Dennis's inclusion arguments. First, there is an issue of due weight. While it can easily be shown that discussion of the truck has weight with respect to the bombing article, it has not been shown to have sufficient weight for inclusion here (ie the bombing is significant with respect to the truck). In fact one editor noted that it would be considered WP:Trivia. We also have to consider WP:ONUS:
- While information must be verifiable in order to be included in an article, this does not mean that all verifiable information must be included in an article. Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted or presented instead in a different article. The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.
- The material is clearly verifiable and does exist in the bombing article so this isn't a case of the material being removed from Wikipedia. The above discussions were largely based on an assumption that this article covered the 1993 F-700. This article covers the 2000 and later trucks developed with Navistar, not earlier Ford medium duty trucks. This makes the material WP:OFFTOPIC (the material is only loosely related to the article topic). Thus we have information who's inclusion in even an article that was about the 1993 F-700 would be seen as tenuous at best. Even if consensus supported inclusion, the material would need to go into an article about the F-700 trucks spanning the 1993 MY. Since this article does not it is off topic and thus needs to be removed. Springee (talk) 12:23, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
- How is due weight determined? What policy or guideline tells us that two sentences about the only famous Ford F-700 is too much? Or that the big block of unsourced material under the "First generation (2000-2015)" heading is the right amount of detail? What rule says that we need to mention some company making a knock-off?
- Anyone citing WP:Trivia in reference to this material hasn't read that page. Felsic2 (talk) 21:07, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
- If there is no consensus for adding the material, and currently there is not, the onus is on those wishing to add the material to show weight and get consensus. It is also important to note that this article doesn't cover the 1993 F-700 trucks. Springee (talk) 01:01, 8 September 2016 (UTC)