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if it is yes then why those information are missing in this article?!<br /> |
if it is yes then why those information are missing in this article?!<br /> |
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And i have suspicion,why references moved from article's page to here ?!.is moved references has contains the information which i said above.is any body pushing Pov in secretly?!![[User:Eshwar.om|<font color="red">Eshwar</font><font color="green">.om</font>]][[User talk:Eshwar.om|<sup><font color="blue">Talk to</font></sup><sup><font color="pink">me</font></sup>]] 02:10, 5 May 2015 (UTC) |
And i have suspicion,why references moved from article's page to here ?!.is moved references has contains the information which i said above.is any body pushing Pov in secretly?!![[User:Eshwar.om|<font color="red">Eshwar</font><font color="green">.om</font>]][[User talk:Eshwar.om|<sup><font color="blue">Talk to</font></sup><sup><font color="pink">me</font></sup>]] 02:10, 5 May 2015 (UTC)<br /> |
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i have to look on that.[[User:Eshwar.om|<font color="red">Eshwar</font><font color="green">.om</font>]][[User talk:Eshwar.om|<sup><font color="blue">Talk to</font></sup><sup><font color="pink">me</font></sup>]] 02:11, 5 May 2015 (UTC) |
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Thai and Sri Lankan names of Ganesha
The sentences about Ganesha's name in Thai and Sinhalese are unsourced and not in the original FA version. The Burmese name is sourced but was also not in the original FA. I think the worship of Ganesha in Southeast Asia is important to know but the names in their languages is undue and excessive per WP:Summary Style. For comparison Jesus is widely worshipped in many countries and has different names in many languages but not all of them are stated on the main article. Maybe Names of Ganesha can be created for detail. I personally think the Sanskrit, Buddhist Tantric and Tamil names is enough, just like in the FA. Gizza (t)(c) 01:03, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
minor editing notes for average readers
While this article on Ganesh was well researched and footnoted it seemed so focused on etymology it failed to miss in the first 5 paragraphs that Ganesh is widely known as the God of Wisdom,Learning, Success, and yes, The Remover Of Obstacles ( and the faith that we can remove obstacles). I am no expert but an editor doesn't have to be. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.170.199.39 (talk) 17:14, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I suggest to include this image, which is of much better quality than File:ShriMayureshwar Morgaon.jpg. I can't find the name of the other characters. Any idea? Yann (talk) 12:37, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
- Mayureshwar has much more encyclopaedic value as the icon of one of the most famous Ganesha temples, which is the centre of his Ganapatya sect. --Redtigerxyz Talk 17:58, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
ownership
i believe that users some time thinking owner of the article.they wont allow modify,re insert missed files— Preceding unsigned comment added by Eshwar.om (talk • contribs) 19:51, April 28, 2015
- I assume you are referring to me and my reverts of your following three edits:
- First edit, which added an image with caption "400CE,Karpaka Vinayakar Temple,Tamil Nadu, India". Note that that unsourced claim in the caption is a WP:REDFLAG claim, since it is inconsistent with scholarly sources already cited in the article. Those sources refer to Ganesha carvings, arguably dating back to ca 400CE, in the Jain cave temples/monasteries at Udayagiri, but Karpaka Vinayakar Temple is not even mentioned as far as I can tell.
- Second edit, which re-added the claim, citing a self-published book that copies content from wikipedia.
- Third edit, which added the temple's own website (an unreliable, self-published source) as a citation. Eshwar also removed a sourced quote from the article in which the A.K. Narain, an emeritus professor at University of Wisconsin and Banaras Hindu University and a well-cited expert in the area, had said that in his opinion, "there is no convincing evidence of the existence of this divinity prior to the fifth century." Removing this, while adding dubious inconsistent content, is pure POV-pushing.
- If there are reliable sources dating the Ganesha idol at Karpaka Vinayakar Temple, those can be discussed here, but the edit-warring, POV pushing and use of poor quality sources in an FA must stop. Abecedare (talk) 20:31, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- I will provide reliable sources .even Adi vinayaga temple like human face form of very ancient ganesha temple also there in south indian state of Tamilnadu .i am wondering that are all not presented in the article.might be removed?!.iam not sure.Eshwar.omTalk tome 21:15, 28 April 2015 (UTC)
- Eswar, if you consider only the content discussion... there is no ownership issues here, I think you are just a little upset at not having your way. Have a discussion and then make edits the way you want... when you have taken others in confidence. --AmritasyaPutraT 06:51, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
karpagavinyagar file added by me in the month of july 2014.file removed in the month of december 2014 by user BOt.reason is file was deleted from commons.from july 2014 to dec 2014 there are no of edits done by various users.user Abecedare also did the edits 4 times b/w the particular period in various times.but his eyes opening only now when i am adding the file again from common.may i know the reason why he is not allowing me to edit the first appearance sec of this article?!i am wondering!:)Eshwar.omTalk tome 18:57, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
may i know the reason why he is not allowing me to edit the first appearance sec of this article?
I did just that in the edit-summaries, on my talkpage and right above. In short, the problem is that you don't have reliable sources for the claim you are adding.- Aside: there may also be copyright issue with the image being added. Eshwar, can you explain, how you created this image that you have marked as your "own work"? Abecedare (talk) 19:19, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- if files faces any copyright issues then this is not a place to discuss. i hope do you know that.Eshwar.omTalk tome 22:00, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- The file you were adding to this article did turn out to be a copyvio along with a dozen others you had uploaded as "own work". They all have been deleted from commons (where your account is currently blocked). Is there anything more to discuss here at the moment? Abecedare (talk) 22:21, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
- Again your talking unnecessary things here.that is wikipedia commons.your only saying i am blocked there.do you thing blocked user can discuss about his own work in wiki commons until the block period get to finish.is it possible?if you know then let me know.thank you.Eshwar.omTalk tome 00:42, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Recent additions
Some notes on material that was recently added to the article:
- Adi Vinayaka: This iconographic representation may be worth noting in the article, but doesn't need a section of its own (or details, unrelated to Ganesha, such as "According to 7th century Saiva Nayanmar saint Campantar,the Nandrudayan Vinayaka Temple is one of the oldest Hindu temples in Tiruchirappalli city,Tamilnadu He also sung the songs for this temple. For the past 83 years annual music festival conducted here"). Also needs better sourcing both for verification and for deciding on due weight. I have condensed and copy-edited the material, and tagged it with with {{Better source}}. We need to research scholarly literature on the subject to provide beter context and determine whether this information is important enough to retain, or is just trivia.
- Vinayagar Agaval: This is poorly source, and undue given the number of hymns composed praising Ganesha. At a minimum, we would need secondary scholarly sources attesting to the hymn's importance to Ganesha worship (not the other way around, since notability is not a symmetric relation), in order to include this in the article.
- Tirumandhiram: This and this are even more clearly undue, given that the text is primarily dedicated to Shiva and only contains an opening invocation to Ganesha (the wikipedia article already notes the fact the Ganesha, as the lord of beginnings, is commonly propitiated at the start of ventures and Tirumandhiram is just one example amongst thousands of this). Also note that the cited sources are irrelevant/being misrepresented/unreliable in that the two that two of them discuss Tirumandhiram w/o mentioning Ganesha (not surprising given the focus of the text); while the third, which is a non-scholarly English translation of Tirumandhiram by an "Internationally known Indian economist and planner" and published by sectarian, religious publisher, is a primary and unreliable source that doesn't even contain the Tamil text added to the article.
It would really help if User:Eshwar.om would discuss (substantial) future additions to the article on the talkpage, since his edits are getting tendentious and disruptive. Abecedare (talk) 16:22, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
- Anything added from Tamil Nadu or Southern India side then your saying undue,tendentious and disruptive.Have u read fully about undue,tendentious and disruptive.Let me know?!Eshwar.omTalk tome 19:45, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
user Abecedare not coming here for discussion.anyway answered for you click.Maintain one place for discussion is good so.isn't it?Eshwar.omTalk tome 17:45, 1 May 2015 (UTC)
@Redtigerxyz: While our article on Uthrapathiswaraswamy Temple says that the idol there depicts Ganesha in human form, the ref you cited doesn't say so, and the image in Brown also shows a elephant-head, four arms etc. Am I missing something? Abecedare (talk) 14:45, 2 May 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks Red, for the clarification here and, more importantly, in the Uthrapathiswaraswamy Temple article. I have copyedited/shortened the footnote a bit since the details of Vatapi Ganapati are not relevant here and are available in the temple article. Abecedare (talk) 09:54, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Goddess Vināyakī
Reference says //Agrawala, Prithvi Kumar (1978), Goddess Vināyakī: The Female Gaṇeśa, Indian Civilization Series, Varanasi: Prithivi Prakashan//Has it removed from the article?!Eshwar.omTalk tome 01:04, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
Reference section clean up
I have removed the following works from the article's reference since they don't appear to be actually used as sources in the article. Placing them here, in case I removed any in error, and for potential future use:
- Agrawala, Prithvi Kumar (1978), Goddess Vināyakī: The Female Gaṇeśa, Indian Civilization Series, Varanasi: Prithivi Prakashan
- Avalon, Arthur (1933), Śāradā Tilaka Tantram, Motilal Banarsidass Publishers, ISBN 81-208-1338-3 (1993 reprint edition)
- Danielou, Alain (1954), The meaning of Ganapati, Madras: The Adyar Library bulletin
- Doniger, Wendy (1996), Merriam-Webster's Encyclopedia of World Religions, Merriam-Webster, ISBN 0-87779-044-2
- Jansen, Eva Rudy (1993), The Book of Hindu Imagery, Havelte, Holland: Binkey Kok Publications BV, ISBN 90-74597-07-6
- Macdonell, Arthur Anthony (1996), A Practical Sanskrit Dictionary, Munshiram Monoharlal Publishers, ISBN 81-215-0715-4
Related: any support or objections to converting the article to {{sfn}} style referencing so that the references in the Notes section can be linked to the full citation in the Reference section? To be clear, I am not proposing changing "For X see ..." style used in the article, which I find very useful and informative. Abecedare (talk) 01:30, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
First appearance
Ganesha's First appearance is a female form?is it?!!
if it is yes then why those information are missing in this article?!
And i have suspicion,why references moved from article's page to here ?!.is moved references has contains the information which i said above.is any body pushing Pov in secretly?!!Eshwar.omTalk tome 02:10, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
i have to look on that.Eshwar.omTalk tome 02:11, 5 May 2015 (UTC)