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This article really needs to be expanded, especially the impact and MH sections. I've used a blank test page of min to determine the size of the Records section and it is just short of being a full fifth of the article (in terms of bytes). If no one is up to it, I'll expand the MH in a few days or so though... [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|talk]]) 15:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::I don't think it was out of order. He probably didn't know you were making it. I fully think it should stay, given how we'll certainly need it in the next few days. ♬♩ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 19:34, 6 November 2008 (UTC) |
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How would you expand this? I'm not sure what to do about this issue. What can you do to expand it? It appears to be descriptive enough. [[Special:Contributions/76.235.222.163|76.235.222.163]] ([[User talk:76.235.222.163|talk]]) 00:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC) |
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==(2008)?== |
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:This article is extremely short for a category four hurricane. The lead should be 2-4 paragraphs long, the Meteorological history section is not nearly comprehensive enough, there's nothing on its movement, no idea of where the storm is until the end of the paragraph, no reason as to why it intensified, or why it weakened, all that is there is the changes in category, when it hit the Caymans, it's peak intensity, hitting Cuba, then dissipating, very poor section. The impact is not complete since they're still assessing the damage in the Caymans. [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|talk]]) 00:23, 14 November 2008 (UTC) |
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I don't know how we can expand it in the near future though. [[Special:Contributions/76.235.222.163|76.235.222.163]] ([[User talk:76.235.222.163|talk]]) 00:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:I just stated everything that is needed for the MH and lead. [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|talk]]) 01:02, 14 November 2008 (UTC) |
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I expanded the MH and lead sections a bit; does it look better now? [[Special:Contributions/76.235.166.14|76.235.166.14]] ([[User talk:76.235.166.14|talk]]) 22:15, 14 November 2008 (UTC) |
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Oh, well, you can change it a bit. The lead is gotten better, though, with the records put there. I don't know how we can back those up. [[Special:Contributions/76.235.166.14|76.235.166.14]] ([[User talk:76.235.166.14|talk]]) 22:32, 14 November 2008 (UTC) |
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I don't know how to put in references; if you know how to put in refs, then you could find some and put them in. Besides, I don't know exactly when and which advisory had Paloma at peak strength or just as it dissipated or when it just became a depression, ect. Also, i'm not sure if all of the advisories have records set by Paloma at that time, if any. For example, on one advisory, when Paloma reached it's peak, for instance, it might not mention the fact that it was the second strongest November storm on record, or when it made landfall on the 8 PM advisory on November 8, it might not mention the fact it was the third major hurricane to hit Cuba that year, a record set by Paloma. The NHC advisories might not mention ''every'' record set by it, so there still could be some citation. [[Special:Contributions/76.235.166.14|76.235.166.14]] ([[User talk:76.235.166.14|talk]]) 22:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC) |
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Wait untill next May when the WMO &/or the NHC confirms which names are retired from this basin[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 00:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC) |
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Could you expand it now? Do you know any refs to back up the MH and Impact sections, now that it's damage on the Caymans was found? [[Special:Contributions/76.236.191.27|76.236.191.27]] ([[User talk:76.236.191.27|talk]]) 02:09, 22 December 2008 (UTC) |
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I wouldn't go with that. Hurricanes Gustav and Ike don't have the (2008) with them, but those 2 hurricanes are '''guranteed''' retirement after this year essentially. Just because shear is ahead of Paloma doesn't mean it will weaken. Hurricane Omar earlier this year was sheared by a Cold Front, but it strengthened into a category 3 storm while being sheared on the way. Hurricane Ike remained a 100 mph hurricane across it's trek through the Gulf Of Mexico, but when a front approached, it quickly strengthened into a 110 mph cat 2 before landfall because the front penetrated dry air in front of it, giving it some time to strengthen before weakening. We should wait for now though. Hurricane Omar doesn't have the main article although it is the one and only Omar because damage wasn't severe and it isn't likely it will be retired. If Paloma causes enough damage to get our attention, we will give it the main article; it most recently became a hurricane, or is expected to do so soon. [[Special:Contributions/99.52.154.156|99.52.154.156]] ([[User talk:99.52.154.156|talk]]) 00:34, 7 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:It's best to wait until the Tropical Cyclone Report has been released. I've already planned to expand the Omar article (and several others) so my plate is full. I think another editor is planning to expand this article once the TCR is out. [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|talk]]) 02:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC) |
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I think that 2 billion is accurate because on the Caymans and Cuba, it said ''damage totaled to'', not ''damage was estimated at'', so it was accurate, or at least i'm sure of it. Paloma had no signifigant effects in the Bahamas or Central America, so I think that's it, I guess. I'm saying that I don't think the TCR has to be released to be expanded Because, this storm had big impacts, but over small areas. But if you want to wait for the TCR, that's fine as well. [[Special:Contributions/76.235.210.51|76.235.210.51]] ([[User talk:76.235.210.51|talk]]) 14:47, 26 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:In all truthfulness, the TCR is not the best source for damages, it's usually a tertiary source, official damage reports are a primary source, followed by news articles. The TCR is mainly for the Meteorological History, with a storm like Paloma, it's very important in verifying what happened. [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|talk]]) 16:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC) |
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Oh, so your'e saying that, for the impact section, for example, it is important to know exactly how much damage it caused in Cuba and the Caymans? Paloma was only active for 5 days, and other than Cuba and the Caymans, it had no impact whatsoever. This storm only caused it's damage on those 2 areas, neither catastrophically affected, so I think the impact section is fine, but the MH section isn't comprehensive enough. In other words, with storms like Paloma, are you saying that the damage and death toll need to be accurate? [[Special:Contributions/76.235.210.51|76.235.210.51]] ([[User talk:76.235.210.51|talk]]) 14:26, 28 December 2008 (UTC) |
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Also, why is the (2008) taken off in the article? Paloma does not deserve the ''main'' article yet, even though it's the only Paloma. Why has the (2008) been taken off? [[Special:Contributions/99.52.154.156|99.52.154.156]] ([[User talk:99.52.154.156|talk]]) 10:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:I remember reading that there was some impact in Nicaragua, Honduras, and Jamaica while Paloma was a Tropical Depression/Storm. So there are other areas that were impacted. Could you also explain what you just said, I'm a bit confused, sorry. [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|talk]]) 18:20, 28 December 2008 (UTC) |
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What i'm trying to say is other than Cuba and the Caymans, it caused little impact. True, it did impact other areas, but not greatly. I'm saying the impact section is fine; but the MH section needs to be expanded, if you get my point. The 2.09 billion is probrably accurate because the impact in CA and Jamacia was not signifigant. [[Special:Contributions/76.235.221.80|76.235.221.80]] ([[User talk:76.235.221.80|talk]]) 22:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC) |
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Another way to expand it (I think) could be to make an aftermath section for the Caymans and Cuba, but that will take some time to get to. Do you understand what I'm saying now, Cyclonebiskit? I think it caused no more than 2.09 billion, but the MH section needs expansion. [[Special:Contributions/76.253.127.25|76.253.127.25]] ([[User talk:76.253.127.25|talk]]) 21:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC) |
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Well, Cyclonebiskit? Do you understand what i'm saying now? If you don't get my point, I can explain myself further. Or did you forget to check here? [[Special:Contributions/76.235.163.187|76.235.163.187]] ([[User talk:76.235.163.187|talk]]) 21:14, 31 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:I think I do, you're saying add more sections right? Also, since the TCR is out, I've started to work on the MH rewrite, I should have it done by this coming Saturday at the latest. [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclone]][[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|biskit]] 21:24, 31 January 2009 (UTC) |
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:I agree with Julian. But for all we know, Paloma might be causing severe damage right now, being a Category 4 right over the Cayman Islands. And Paloma could hit Cuba as a major hurricane, while the previous big storm like this, [[Hurricane Omar (2008)|Omar]], didn't make landfall. I say keep the (2008) right now, although that keep is reluctant. --Dylan620 ([[User:Dylan620|<font color="red"><small>Home</small></font>]] • [[User talk:Dylan620|<font color="green"><small>yadda yadda yadda</small></font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dylan620|<font color="purple"><small>Ooooohh!</small></font>]]) 11:49, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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I'm saying the impact section doesn't need any more; it's fine. Central america suffered very little off Paloma, which you wanted to put there. But I did say an ''Aftermath'' section could also be made to help expand it, and the MH needs expansion. But, as I said, the aftermath section will take some time to get to, probrably not until it is retired, around that. I wasn't saying to put anything more in the impact section; I said a completely new ''aftermath'' section should be made. [[Special:Contributions/76.235.163.187|76.235.163.187]] ([[User talk:76.235.163.187|talk]]) 07:33, 1 February 2009 (UTC) |
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We can hope it hasn't caused severe damage; the buildings on Grand Cayman are meant to withstand hurricanes like Paloma, but Little Cayman and Cayman Brac won't fare as well. The buildings on those islands can't withstand a Paloma-like storm. Grand Cayman is impacted by hurricanes more often than the other 2, so their building codes are high. Grand Cayman had weathered Gustav earlier this year, Dean of last year, Wilma in 2005, Ivan in 2004, and some hurricanes ''way'' in the past, like 1988's Gilbert, 1980's Allen, and many other storms, but the other 2 are going to get bombed by Paloma due to lack of advanced building codes. We aren't sure about what Cuba will reckon with yet; it has made landfall now. [[Special:Contributions/99.52.153.15|99.52.153.15]] ([[User talk:99.52.153.15|talk]]) 12:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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Do you get my point now, biskit? I said the Impact section is fine, but Ike, Gustav, Dolly, and even Omar have aftermath sections, and Paloma doesn't. So one needs to be added. Could you possibly find sources to make up an aftermath section? [[Special:Contributions/76.235.187.223|76.235.187.223]] ([[User talk:76.235.187.223|talk]]) 21:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC) |
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==Landfall on Little Cayman?== |
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:I get what you mean, I'll look into impact later as I'm rather busy ATM. I probably wont have the MH update done by Saturday also. [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclone]][[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|biskit]] 22:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC) |
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Although it is put down that Paloma only ''affected'' Little Cayman, it's eye has passed directly over the island, so wouldn't that apply as a landfall, not a direct hit? It's in the season effects chart, and it says "Little Cayman, Cayman Islands (direct hit, no landfall)", but because it's eye has passed direstly over the island, does that count as a landfall? [[Special:Contributions/99.52.153.15|99.52.153.15]] ([[User talk:99.52.153.15|talk]]) 11:08, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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I said the impact section doesn't need expansion, as it can not really be expanded whatsoever. [[Special:Contributions/76.235.187.223|76.235.187.223]] ([[User talk:76.235.187.223|talk]]) 01:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC) |
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⚫ | :The whole article needs expansion. Until somebody else gets to it, feel free to write an aftermath section yourself. Cheers, –[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] [[User talk:Juliancolton|<sup style="color:#666660;">'''T'''ropical</sup>]] [[Special:contributions/Juliancolton|<sup style="color:#666660;">'''C'''yclone</sup>]] 01:26, 6 February 2009 (UTC) |
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How far do hurricane winds extend out from Paloma's center? It was upgraded to a hurricane, so how far do those winds extend out? [[Special:Contributions/99.52.154.156|99.52.154.156]] ([[User talk:99.52.154.156|talk]]) 01:13, 7 November 2008 (UTC) |
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Well, i'm not sure how the impact section can be expanded, Julian. I'm also not sure where I can find reliable sources to make up an aftermath section. [[Special:Contributions/76.235.187.223|76.235.187.223]] ([[User talk:76.235.187.223|talk]]) 11:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC) |
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⚫ | :[http://reliefweb.int/rw/dbc.nsf/doc100?OpenForm ReliefWeb] usually has some good stuff. –[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] [[User talk:Juliancolton|<sup style="color:#666660;">'''T'''ropical</sup>]] [[Special:contributions/Juliancolton|<sup style="color:#666660;">'''C'''yclone</sup>]] 14:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC) |
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I see. The only other problem is I don't know how to put in references; I just know that an aftermath section needs to be made. [[Special:Contributions/76.235.187.223|76.235.187.223]] ([[User talk:76.235.187.223|talk]]) 21:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== Paloma major hurricane = new 2008 season record == |
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I believe I know how to put in refs now, it's like <ref...ref/>, sort of, right? But I can't insert them unless i'm logged in, or have a username. Also, I don't know why it's been done in particular, but the other sections in this article mentioned earlier above here were deleted. [[Special:Contributions/76.235.202.41|76.235.202.41]] ([[User talk:76.235.202.41|talk]]) 01:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC) |
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Hi. With Paloma becoming a cat. 3, this means that 2008 is the first season ''ever'' in the Atlantic to have a major hurricane in five separate months...even 2005 didn't reach that record. I think this should be included in either this or the main season article. HURDAT could easily be used as a source for now. Thanks. ~<font color="blue">[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|A]][[User:AstroHurricane001|H]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|1]]</font><sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 00:22, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::There's another new record, or at least two reasons for notability. First of all, by becoming a major hurricane, Paloma is the strongest "P" storm in the Atlantic basin. Also, Paloma is the first November major hurricane since [[Hurricane Michelle|Michelle]] in [[2001 Atlantic hurricane season|2001]], and the first to actually form in the month since [[Hurricane Lenny|Lenny]] in [[1999 Atlantic hurricane season|1999]]. Just a few suggestions for pointing out in the article. --Dylan620 ([[User:Dylan620|<font color="red"><small>Home</small></font>]] • [[User talk:Dylan620|<font color="green"><small>yadda yadda yadda</small></font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dylan620|<font color="purple"><small>Ooooohh!</small></font>]]) 02:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== "Paloma" means "dove" in Spanish == |
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I'm not sure if it would be a big record, but if Hurricane Paloma hits Cuba, will it mark the first time that three hurricanes have hit Cuba in the same season? I'm not sure if i'm looking hard enough about this. [[Special:Contributions/99.52.153.15|99.52.153.15]] ([[User talk:99.52.153.15|talk]]) 02:53, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:I'm not sure.... [[User:Itfc+canes=me]] [[User talk:Itfc%2Bcanes%3Dme|<font color="Orange"><sup>'''T'''alk</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Itfc%2Bcanes%3Dme|<font color=""><sup>'''C'''ontributions</sup></font>]] 10:26, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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Hi. Should we mention this? Thanks. ~[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|<span style="color:blue;">A</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001|<span style="color:blue;">H</span>]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|<span style="color:blue;">1</span>]]<sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 14:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC) |
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I've checked all of the UNISYS track files, and haven't found a season with 3 hurricanes hitting Cuba, and Paloma could be a ''major'' hurricane when it hits, which could also be a record. [[Special:Contributions/99.52.153.15|99.52.153.15]] ([[User talk:99.52.153.15|talk]]) 11:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::[http://www.behindthename.com/name/paloma Here you go]. Personally I don't think this is necessary, though. A most we could probably just link the [[wikt:paloma|Wiktionary article]]. [[User:Miss Madeline|Miss Madeline]] | [[User talk:Miss Madeline|Talk to Madeline]] 21:54, 29 November 2008 (UTC) |
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⚫ | :::An explanation of the name isn't needed for common names, but for somewhat unusual names like ''Paloma'', it might be good to have. It's not a big deal, though. –[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] [[User talk:Juliancolton|<sup style="color:#666660;">'''T'''ropical</sup>]] [[Special:contributions/Juliancolton|<sup style="color:#666660;">'''C'''yclone</sup>]] 22:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC) |
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I'm not sure if there is any need for this either... this isn't like the WPac when we put the names in their language and ours. Julio, a name that has been used in the East Pacific before, including this year, means "July" in Spanish, for example. A weird feature, though a bit off topic, is that Marco is on the 5th Atlantic hurricane season list, and Polo is on that same Pacific hurricane season list. [[Special:Contributions/76.235.165.167|76.235.165.167]] ([[User talk:76.235.165.167|talk]]) 03:14, 6 December 2008 (UTC) |
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:And how about: 'Second latest formation of a storm that reaches category 4 strength in a season' after Lenny or are there any other later Cat 4 storms? [[User:C-randles|crandles]] ([[User talk:C-randles|talk]]) 11:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::Remarking the IP's comment, first [[Hurricane Gustav|Gustav]], then [[Hurricane Ike|Ike]], and now [[Hurricane Paloma (2008)|Paloma]]? Cuba's really having it crappy this year. --Dylan620 ([[User:Dylan620|<font color="red"><small>Home</small></font>]] • [[User talk:Dylan620|<font color="green"><small>yadda yadda yadda</small></font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dylan620|<font color="purple"><small>Ooooohh!</small></font>]]) 11:54, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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⚫ | :: I think that is good enough to be placed there.... [[User:Itfc+canes=me]] [[User talk:Itfc%2Bcanes%3Dme|<span style="color: Orange;"><sup>'''T'''alk</sup></span>]] [[Special:contributions/Itfc%2Bcanes%3Dme|<span><sup>'''C'''ontributions</sup></span>]] <span style="color: Orange;">- Its good to be back!</span> 22:27, 26 December 2008 (UTC) |
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Hey, Haiti also saw catastrophic effects with '''4''' storms this year: Fay, Gustav, Hanna, and Ike. However, the U.S. had the worst damage; '''6''' storms made landfall in the U.S. this year, including 3 hurricanes, which were Dolly, Gustav, and Ike (Gustav and Ike could have been cat 3's at their landfalls if determined in post-season analysis). Paloma would be the second latest category 4 to ''form'' in November; other hurricanes, like the Cuba Hurricane of 1932, reached that strength later than Paloma, but actually formed in late October. [[Special:Contributions/99.52.153.15|99.52.153.15]] ([[User talk:99.52.153.15|talk]]) 12:13, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== Affected Honduras and Nicaragua == |
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Another record it had set, I think, is when Paloma became a category 3 storm, it marked the first time that multiple major hurricanes (at least 2) formed after September in the season. [[Special:Contributions/99.52.153.15|99.52.153.15]] ([[User talk:99.52.153.15|talk]]) 12:18, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:Nah; in October of 2005, there were Hurricanes [[Hurricane Wilma|Wilma]] and [[Hurricane Beta (2005)|Beta]].--Dylan620 ([[User:Dylan620|<font color="red"><small>Home</small></font>]] • [[User talk:Dylan620|<font color="green"><small>yadda yadda yadda</small></font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dylan620|<font color="purple"><small>Ooooohh!</small></font>]]) 13:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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[[Hurricane Paloma (2008)]] did gave rain to Honduras and Nicaragua. Did it? [[User:HurricaneSpin|HurricaneSpin]] ([[User talk:HurricaneSpin|talk]]) 21:38, 10 January 2009 (UTC) |
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Okay, second time. It would mark the only time 3 hurricanes have struck Cuba in one season, though. Oh, it was actually the third time it happened, there was also 2001, with [[Hurricane Iris|Iris]] and [[Hurricane Michelle|Michelle]]. [[Special:Contributions/99.52.153.15|99.52.153.15]] ([[User talk:99.52.153.15|talk]]) 15:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:I'll go check that one out, I'll be back in a few with the answer. [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|talk]]) 15:35, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::[http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/1870/index.html 1870] is close, definite two, possible third. Ok, regardless, it's not a record. [http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atlantic/1886/index.html 1886] Four hurricanes and one tropical storm made landfall in Cuba. [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|talk]]) 15:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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: Yes, but the impacts were insignifigant there, so they aren't mentioned in the main article. [[Special:Contributions/76.253.127.25|76.253.127.25]] ([[User talk:76.253.127.25|talk]]) 11:36, 12 January 2009 (UTC) |
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Well, if Paloma comes in as a category 3 storm, I think it will mark the first time 3 ''major'' hurricanes have hit Cuba in one season, with the other 2 being Gustav and Ike. This year does not have the most landfalls ''overall'', but it would be, I think, the first season in which 3 hurricanes of at least category 3 strength have came into Cuba. Would that be right? [[Special:Contributions/99.52.153.15|99.52.153.15]] ([[User talk:99.52.153.15|talk]]) 15:47, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:You keep trying to find something don't ya, I'll go take another look. That one does seem possible. [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|talk]]) 15:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::I see no other season with more than two major hurricanes making landfall in Cuba. Closest was 2004, Ivan and Charley hit, Frances was somewhat close. [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|talk]]) 15:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== tagged for expansion == |
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Then that's a record Paloma would set. First time 3 major hurricanes have hit Cuba in the same season, if it is a cat 3 when it comes in. By the way, with 2004, Ivan didn't make landfall in Cuba; it narrowly missed the western tip of the island as a category 5 hurricane, so that would be a direct hit in reality. [[Special:Contributions/99.52.153.15|99.52.153.15]] ([[User talk:99.52.153.15|talk]]) 15:59, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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I have tagged this article as requiring expansion, as it is much to short, in particular the impact section. [[User:Immunize|Immunize]] ([[User talk:Immunize#top|talk]]) 20:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC) |
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::Does it still need to be tagged? Considering it has been substantially expanded since then. [[User:CycloneYoris|CycloneYoris]] ([[User talk:CycloneYoris|talk]]) 20:03, 13 March 2016 (UTC) |
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== External links modified == |
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In addition, if Paloma comes in as a cat. 4, 2 of the 3 major hurricanes would be category 4's when they struck Cuba, also a record. I'm not sure if it will come in as a weak cat. 4 or strong cat. 3, but either way, it will set a record. [[Special:Contributions/99.52.153.15|99.52.153.15]] ([[User talk:99.52.153.15|talk]]) 21:18, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:[http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2008/al17/al172008.discus.014.shtml? PALOMA IS NOW THE SECOND STRONGEST ATLANTIC HURRICANE EVER NOTED IN NOVEMBER BEHIND LENNY OF 1999.] -[[User:Ramisses|Ramisses]] ([[User talk:Ramisses|talk]]) 21:29, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:Paloma is heading to Santa Cruz, Cuba ,same place that 1932 hurricane hit and '''same day'''!--[[User:Elena85|Kirk76]] [[User talk:Elena85|<font color="light green"><sup>'''1'''854 Atlantic</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Elena85|<font color="light green"><sup>'''H'''urricane Season</sup></font>]] 22:01, 8 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::I know. Weird, isn't it? Oh, and by the way, 99.52.135.15, Paloma came in as a strong Category 3. --Dylan620 ([[User:Dylan620|<font color="red"><small>Home</small></font>]] • [[User talk:Dylan620|<font color="green"><small>yadda yadda yadda</small></font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dylan620|<font color="purple"><small>Ooooohh!</small></font>]]) 00:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC) |
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I think Paloma should get retired because it was a cat. 4 and it might have caused lots of damage, but I am going to wait till the damage gets posted to see if I want to change my mind about retiring it. --[[User:12george1|12george1]] ([[User talk:12george1|talk]]) 16:21, 9 November 2008 (UTC) |
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This article really needs to be expanded, especially the impact and MH sections. I've used a blank test page of min to determine the size of the Records section and it is just short of being a full fifth of the article (in terms of bytes). If no one is up to it, I'll expand the MH in a few days or so though... Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
How would you expand this? I'm not sure what to do about this issue. What can you do to expand it? It appears to be descriptive enough. 76.235.222.163 (talk) 00:10, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
- This article is extremely short for a category four hurricane. The lead should be 2-4 paragraphs long, the Meteorological history section is not nearly comprehensive enough, there's nothing on its movement, no idea of where the storm is until the end of the paragraph, no reason as to why it intensified, or why it weakened, all that is there is the changes in category, when it hit the Caymans, it's peak intensity, hitting Cuba, then dissipating, very poor section. The impact is not complete since they're still assessing the damage in the Caymans. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:23, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't know how we can expand it in the near future though. 76.235.222.163 (talk) 00:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
- I just stated everything that is needed for the MH and lead. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:02, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I expanded the MH and lead sections a bit; does it look better now? 76.235.166.14 (talk) 22:15, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
- There's almost no references to back up the section. The last sentence is incorrect also, the remnant low dissipated in the GOM on the 13th. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh, well, you can change it a bit. The lead is gotten better, though, with the records put there. I don't know how we can back those up. 76.235.166.14 (talk) 22:32, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
- Use the advisories (public and discussion) in the Paloma advisory archive on the NHC's website. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:32, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't know how to put in references; if you know how to put in refs, then you could find some and put them in. Besides, I don't know exactly when and which advisory had Paloma at peak strength or just as it dissipated or when it just became a depression, ect. Also, i'm not sure if all of the advisories have records set by Paloma at that time, if any. For example, on one advisory, when Paloma reached it's peak, for instance, it might not mention the fact that it was the second strongest November storm on record, or when it made landfall on the 8 PM advisory on November 8, it might not mention the fact it was the third major hurricane to hit Cuba that year, a record set by Paloma. The NHC advisories might not mention every record set by it, so there still could be some citation. 76.235.166.14 (talk) 22:35, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Could you expand it now? Do you know any refs to back up the MH and Impact sections, now that it's damage on the Caymans was found? 76.236.191.27 (talk) 02:09, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
- It's best to wait until the Tropical Cyclone Report has been released. I've already planned to expand the Omar article (and several others) so my plate is full. I think another editor is planning to expand this article once the TCR is out. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 02:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
I think that 2 billion is accurate because on the Caymans and Cuba, it said damage totaled to, not damage was estimated at, so it was accurate, or at least i'm sure of it. Paloma had no signifigant effects in the Bahamas or Central America, so I think that's it, I guess. I'm saying that I don't think the TCR has to be released to be expanded Because, this storm had big impacts, but over small areas. But if you want to wait for the TCR, that's fine as well. 76.235.210.51 (talk) 14:47, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
- In all truthfulness, the TCR is not the best source for damages, it's usually a tertiary source, official damage reports are a primary source, followed by news articles. The TCR is mainly for the Meteorological History, with a storm like Paloma, it's very important in verifying what happened. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, so your'e saying that, for the impact section, for example, it is important to know exactly how much damage it caused in Cuba and the Caymans? Paloma was only active for 5 days, and other than Cuba and the Caymans, it had no impact whatsoever. This storm only caused it's damage on those 2 areas, neither catastrophically affected, so I think the impact section is fine, but the MH section isn't comprehensive enough. In other words, with storms like Paloma, are you saying that the damage and death toll need to be accurate? 76.235.210.51 (talk) 14:26, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
- I remember reading that there was some impact in Nicaragua, Honduras, and Jamaica while Paloma was a Tropical Depression/Storm. So there are other areas that were impacted. Could you also explain what you just said, I'm a bit confused, sorry. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:20, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
What i'm trying to say is other than Cuba and the Caymans, it caused little impact. True, it did impact other areas, but not greatly. I'm saying the impact section is fine; but the MH section needs to be expanded, if you get my point. The 2.09 billion is probrably accurate because the impact in CA and Jamacia was not signifigant. 76.235.221.80 (talk) 22:18, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Another way to expand it (I think) could be to make an aftermath section for the Caymans and Cuba, but that will take some time to get to. Do you understand what I'm saying now, Cyclonebiskit? I think it caused no more than 2.09 billion, but the MH section needs expansion. 76.253.127.25 (talk) 21:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, Cyclonebiskit? Do you understand what i'm saying now? If you don't get my point, I can explain myself further. Or did you forget to check here? 76.235.163.187 (talk) 21:14, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- I think I do, you're saying add more sections right? Also, since the TCR is out, I've started to work on the MH rewrite, I should have it done by this coming Saturday at the latest. Cyclonebiskit 21:24, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm saying the impact section doesn't need any more; it's fine. Central america suffered very little off Paloma, which you wanted to put there. But I did say an Aftermath section could also be made to help expand it, and the MH needs expansion. But, as I said, the aftermath section will take some time to get to, probrably not until it is retired, around that. I wasn't saying to put anything more in the impact section; I said a completely new aftermath section should be made. 76.235.163.187 (talk) 07:33, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Do you get my point now, biskit? I said the Impact section is fine, but Ike, Gustav, Dolly, and even Omar have aftermath sections, and Paloma doesn't. So one needs to be added. Could you possibly find sources to make up an aftermath section? 76.235.187.223 (talk) 21:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
- I get what you mean, I'll look into impact later as I'm rather busy ATM. I probably wont have the MH update done by Saturday also. Cyclonebiskit 22:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
I said the impact section doesn't need expansion, as it can not really be expanded whatsoever. 76.235.187.223 (talk) 01:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- The whole article needs expansion. Until somebody else gets to it, feel free to write an aftermath section yourself. Cheers, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:26, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, i'm not sure how the impact section can be expanded, Julian. I'm also not sure where I can find reliable sources to make up an aftermath section. 76.235.187.223 (talk) 11:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- ReliefWeb usually has some good stuff. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
I see. The only other problem is I don't know how to put in references; I just know that an aftermath section needs to be made. 76.235.187.223 (talk) 21:01, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
- See WP:CITE and WP:FOOT. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 19:43, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
I believe I know how to put in refs now, it's like <ref...ref/>, sort of, right? But I can't insert them unless i'm logged in, or have a username. Also, I don't know why it's been done in particular, but the other sections in this article mentioned earlier above here were deleted. 76.235.202.41 (talk) 01:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
"Paloma" means "dove" in Spanish
Hi. Should we mention this? Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 14:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
- If you can find a source for it, sure. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 15:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
- Here you go. Personally I don't think this is necessary, though. A most we could probably just link the Wiktionary article. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 21:54, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
- An explanation of the name isn't needed for common names, but for somewhat unusual names like Paloma, it might be good to have. It's not a big deal, though. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 22:19, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
- Here you go. Personally I don't think this is necessary, though. A most we could probably just link the Wiktionary article. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 21:54, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure if there is any need for this either... this isn't like the WPac when we put the names in their language and ours. Julio, a name that has been used in the East Pacific before, including this year, means "July" in Spanish, for example. A weird feature, though a bit off topic, is that Marco is on the 5th Atlantic hurricane season list, and Polo is on that same Pacific hurricane season list. 76.235.165.167 (talk) 03:14, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
- I think that is good enough to be placed there.... User:Itfc+canes=me Talk Contributions - Its good to be back! 22:27, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Affected Honduras and Nicaragua
Hurricane Paloma (2008) did gave rain to Honduras and Nicaragua. Did it? HurricaneSpin (talk) 21:38, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, but the impacts were insignifigant there, so they aren't mentioned in the main article. 76.253.127.25 (talk) 11:36, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
tagged for expansion
I have tagged this article as requiring expansion, as it is much to short, in particular the impact section. Immunize (talk) 20:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
- Does it still need to be tagged? Considering it has been substantially expanded since then. CycloneYoris (talk) 20:03, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
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