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:::The same source points out that the suit was a private one, the government had nothing to do with it and no public funds were used. But this information is all kept out.<small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Volunteer Marek|<span style="color:orange;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Volunteer Marek '''</span>]]</span></small> 21:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC) |
:::The same source points out that the suit was a private one, the government had nothing to do with it and no public funds were used. But this information is all kept out.<small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Volunteer Marek|<span style="color:orange;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Volunteer Marek '''</span>]]</span></small> 21:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC) |
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:::: Erm what? I am not sure how this is related. You deleted a well sourced statement by POLIN about this case. The fact that this was a civil suit is already mentioned in the article. [[User:Dead Mary|Dead Mary]] ([[User talk:Dead Mary|talk]]) 23:15, 7 August 2021 (UTC) |
:::: Erm what? I am not sure how this is related. You deleted a well sourced statement by POLIN about this case. The fact that this was a civil suit is already mentioned in the article. [[User:Dead Mary|Dead Mary]] ([[User talk:Dead Mary|talk]]) 23:15, 7 August 2021 (UTC) |
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== Enemies of Grabowski with conflict of interest editing this page == |
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I am acquainted with Dr. Grabowski, though distantly. I raise concern here that users "Volunteer Marek", "Nihil novi", and "Piotrus" editing his biography are doing so while being engaged in a feud with Dr. Grabowski. Dr. Grabowski, writing in Gazeta Wyborcza, has named these editors with respect to falsification of Polish history in English: https://wyborcza.pl/alehistoria/7,121681,25732654,wrzuc-brednie-na-wikipedie-polscy-nacjonalisci-wciskaja-kit.html |
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Further reading vs external links
Errr, re [1], I don't think YouTube videos make good further reading. Ping User:François Robere. I think fr section is for works about the topic, like if someone publishes a book or article about him we don't cite. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:02, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- Not technically, no, but I read the section as "for your enrichment", so I don't see "written" as a strict requirement. You can move the clips back if you prefer; I do think the Time piece belongs there. What's the policy on "Further..." vs "External..."? François Robere (talk) 14:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- It's fine to add those links. Piotrus, given Grabowski's article naming you, and your response to it, you should stay away from edits about him, including on talk pages. See WP:BLPCOI: "[A]n editor who is involved in a significant controversy or dispute with another individual—whether on- or off-wiki—or who is an avowed rival of that individual, should not edit that person's biography or other material about that person, given the potential conflict of interest." SarahSV (talk) 16:01, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Verdict in Poland
Shouldn't the latest verdict in Poland be included in the article? It has been widely commented, see eg
- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55996291
- https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-holocaust/future-of-polands-holocaust-research-hangs-on-court-case-academics-say-idUSKBN2A91M7
- https://apnews.com/article/poland-europe-warsaw-13f643d34b511cce0f2bcf2f933d4698
basically:
"A Polish court has ordered two Holocaust historians (Jan Grabowski & Barbara Engelking) to apologise to the niece of a dead village mayor(=Edward Malinowski), for having accused him of collaborating with the Nazis in World War Two. Despite finding them guilty of defamation in a book (=Dalej jest noc), the Warsaw court did not order them to pay damages.", Huldra (talk) 23:24, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
- This is the section to add this info to [2]. That woman sued Grabowski and Engelking for the events detailed in that book. - GizzyCatBella🍁 02:00, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
August 2021 edit
Preserving here by providing this link; my rationale was: "left out the statement from Engelking & Yad Vashem PR link -- the rest are not self-published sources, but CBC, Guardian and AP". The coverage in international media establishes due weight. --K.e.coffman (talk) 19:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- At least the part from POLIN is cherry picked from the source. Volunteer Marek 21:39, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thats not what "cherry picking" means at all. POLIN made a statement which is detailed in the source. Quoting from a source is not "cherry picking". Dead Mary (talk) 21:04, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- The same source points out that the suit was a private one, the government had nothing to do with it and no public funds were used. But this information is all kept out. Volunteer Marek 21:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- Erm what? I am not sure how this is related. You deleted a well sourced statement by POLIN about this case. The fact that this was a civil suit is already mentioned in the article. Dead Mary (talk) 23:15, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- The same source points out that the suit was a private one, the government had nothing to do with it and no public funds were used. But this information is all kept out. Volunteer Marek 21:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thats not what "cherry picking" means at all. POLIN made a statement which is detailed in the source. Quoting from a source is not "cherry picking". Dead Mary (talk) 21:04, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Enemies of Grabowski with conflict of interest editing this page
I am acquainted with Dr. Grabowski, though distantly. I raise concern here that users "Volunteer Marek", "Nihil novi", and "Piotrus" editing his biography are doing so while being engaged in a feud with Dr. Grabowski. Dr. Grabowski, writing in Gazeta Wyborcza, has named these editors with respect to falsification of Polish history in English: https://wyborcza.pl/alehistoria/7,121681,25732654,wrzuc-brednie-na-wikipedie-polscy-nacjonalisci-wciskaja-kit.html