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== Revert == |
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== Later life == |
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is there any verifiable basis for Gandhari's curse? If so, why does the later life not talk about this? |
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[[Special:Contributions/98.206.68.196|98.206.68.196]] ([[User talk:98.206.68.196|talk]])tkul.... |
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== Krishna belonged to Abhira (Ahir) Tribe. == |
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http://books.google.co.in/books?id=P3uD22Ghqs4C&pg=PA197&dq=krishna+was+abhira&hl=en&ei=NTuQTdpSwp1xxJTVlQo&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=krishna%20was%20abhira&f=false |
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Indian sociology through Ghurye, a dictionary By S. Devadas Pillaipage -197 |
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Epilogue of Mahabharata |
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http://books.google.co.in/books?id=fmzXAAAAMAAJ&q=krishna+was+abhira&dq=krishna+was+abhira&hl=en&ei=NTuQTdpSwp1xxJTVlQo&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBA |
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Krishna Leela theme in Rajasthani miniatures |
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Hinduism and Buddhism: an historical sketch, Volume 1 By Sir Charles Eliot |
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Hindu Gods and Heroes |
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== Ahir king Nand Baba and Vasudeva were brothers. == |
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The cattle and the stick: an ethnographic profile of the Raut of Chhattisgarh |
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http://books.google.co.in/books?ei=VD-QTZagH8qycMXUmYsK&ct=result&id=wT-BAAAAMAAJ&dq=krishna+was+abhira&q=yaduvansi |
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@[[User:DaxServer|DaxServer]] I assume that your revert is based on the image change, thus I will bring back the informations added excluding the image. Do you approve? —[[User:Krsnaquli|'''<span style="color:#004949">कृष्णकुलि</span><sup><span style="color:#437399">Krsnaquli</span></sup>''']] || [[User talk:Krsnaquli|<span style="color:#5E0000">'''Contact'''</span>]] - 09:19, 10 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== "Birthdate" and "historicity" == |
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:Various Vaishnava deities are considered Supreme in Vaishnavism - Vishnu, Rama, Krishna, Vithoba. Also, Krishna is pan-Hindu in nature, not a sectarian Vaishnava deity. [[User:Redtigerxyz|<span style="color: red;">Redtigerxyz</span>]] <sup> [[User talk:Redtigerxyz|Talk]] </sup> 12:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC) |
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The article contained speculations about a proposed "birthdate" and about a proposed identification of Krishna with Vasudeva Govinda Krishna, in the lead, the "Birth"-section, and a "Historicity and evidence"-section. I've made the following changes [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Krishna&type=revision&diff=713137484&oldid=713132073 diff]: |
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::Vishnu, Rama, Krishna, Vithoba are all considered the same person; even Krishnaists agree that Krishna and Vishnu point out to the same person. Also Krishna himself claims to be the Ultimate Being in every single text he himself talks, so I thought this deserves a greater representation in his own article. But you are a more experienced editor and I guess you'd know better than me, so I will take some time reading more about article priorities and ways of writing a proper article in Wikipedia. Thank you —[[User:Krsnaquli|'''<span style="color:#004949">कृष्णकुलि</span><sup><span style="color:#437399">Krsnaquli</span></sup>''']] || [[User talk:Krsnaquli|<span style="color:#5E0000">'''Contact'''</span>]] - 14:16, 10 March 2024 (UTC) |
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* Lead: moved the identification with Vasudeva Govinda Krishna to the end of the lead; added the mentioning of seceral proposed birth-dates; |
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:::Disagree. [[Krishnaism|Krishnaists]] consider Vishnu as a form of Krishna - the Supreme Being (not the same), [[Sri Vaishnavism|Sri Vaishanavas]] consider Vishnu as the Supreme, Krishna as an avatar of Vishnu. [[Ramanandi Sampradaya]] considers as Rama as the Supreme, Krishna being his avatar. We need to define Krishna in a [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|WP:NEUTRAL]] language as done in various [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|scholarly references]]. [[User:Redtigerxyz|<span style="color: red;">Redtigerxyz</span>]] <sup> [[User talk:Redtigerxyz|Talk]] </sup> 15:50, 11 March 2024 (UTC) |
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* "Birth"-section: moved |
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::::What you just said theoretically means that both Vishnu and Krishna forms indicate the same person, Vaishnavas have consensus on that. —[[User:Krsnaquli|'''<span style="color:#004949">कृष्णकुलि</span><sup><span style="color:#437399">Krsnaquli</span></sup>''']] || [[User talk:Krsnaquli|<span style="color:#5E0000">'''Contact'''</span>]] - 16:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC) |
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::''"Based on scriptural details and [[Jyotisha|astrological calculations]], the date of Krishna's birth, known as [[Janmashtami]],<ref name = Knott61>{{Cite book | last = Knott |first = Kim |year = 2000 |page = 160 |title = Hinduism: A Very Short Introduction |publisher = Oxford University Press, USA |isbn = 0-19-285387-2 |url = http://books.google.com/books?id=Wv8XK_GU9icC }}</ref> is 21 February 3228 BCE."'' |
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:::::Sorry, disagree again. The Sri Vaishnava belief that Krishna is the avatar/ form of Vishnu, but not vice versa. Vishnu is Supreme, not the form of Krishna in this viewpoint. [[User:Redtigerxyz|<span style="color: red;">Redtigerxyz</span>]] <sup> [[User talk:Redtigerxyz|Talk]] </sup> 17:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:and the accompanying note to the final section of the article, and copy-edited it there. The sentence should be attributed, instead of pretending to present plain "fact." See also below, on presenting religious narrative as historical facts. |
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::::::What I'm trying to say is that both Krishna and Vishnu are forms of Svayam Bhagavan according to Vaishnavism —[[User:Krsnaquli|'''<span style="color:#004949">कृष्णकुलि</span><sup><span style="color:#437399">Krsnaquli</span></sup>''']] || [[User talk:Krsnaquli|<span style="color:#5E0000">'''Contact'''</span>]] - 17:36, 11 March 2024 (UTC) |
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* "Historicity and evidence"-section: |
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:::::::@[[User:Krsnaquli|Krsnaquli]] I agree with @[[User:Redtigerxyz|Redtigerxyz]]. It is clear that what Redtigerxyz says is correct - e.g. consider Edwin Bryant's [https://ia600100.us.archive.org/29/items/Pushtimarg/Bryant_Edwin_F._%28editor%29_-_Krishna__A_Sourcebook.pdf Krishna: A sourcebook] page 13 "Moving forward to the sixteenth century and the theologies of what are sometimes referred to as the Krishnaite schools, we find the emergence of organized Krishna lineages that reversed the commonly held relationship between Vishnu and Krishna, positing Krishna as the source of Vishnu rather than a derivative incarnation of Vishnu". [[User:Asteramellus|Asteramellus]] ([[User talk:Asteramellus|talk]]) 23:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:* Renamed to "<s>Speculative</s> Proposed datings"; of course we can argue about this header, but "Historicity and evidence" is plain wrong, when assuming a concrete birthdate for a deity who's narratives do not contain such a birthdate, as if he was a historical person. Keep religious narratives religious; when confusing them with fact-based history, religious narratives will enevitably become lose their value. |
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:* Merged the info in the note and the info in this section on the proposed birthdates; there were several doublures. |
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:* Merged and copy-edited th einfo on the identification with Vasudeva Govinda Krishna. |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2024 == |
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Unfortunately, my edits were [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Krishna&diff=next&oldid=713307029 undone], with the edit-summary |
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:''"remove new inserted dating section, dating mentioned once already"''. I fail to understand this rationale; it is incorrect, since the info was not new, but a grouping together of info which was already there. And it duplicates and scatters the info on the birthdate again. The same edit added one of those proposed birthdates to the infobox, without any reference or presenting the context (which was removed). It also removed sourced info from the lead, and the mentioning of the lst section.<br> |
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Finally, this edit also changed ''"Eighth and complete [[:avatar]] of [[:Vishnu]] or [[:Svayam Bhagavan]]"'' into ''"ninth and complete [[:avatar]] of [[:Vishnu]] or [[:Svayam Bhagavan]]"''. There are, of course, several lists, but there is long-standing concencus at the [[:Dashavatara]] that Krishna is the eight avatar. All in all, this edit was not an improvement. |
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[[User:Joshua Jonathan|<font size="2"><span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">Joshua Jonathan</span></font>]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|<font size="3"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color:black">Let's talk!</span></font>]] 10:04, 3 April 2016 (UTC) |
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: All Hinduism pages suffer from intense POV pushing and half-baked ideas. Thanks a lot for making an effort to clean this one up. You have my support. -- [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 13:18, 3 April 2016 (UTC) |
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Krishna should be changed to Krishn as Krishna is Draupadi's another name [[User:Maskedchocolate|Maskedchocolate]] ([[User talk:Maskedchocolate|talk]]) 12:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{notdone}} It is unclear what change you are seeking. If you are referring to a single instance of the usage of Krishna, please specify where and please provide a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. If you are referring to the article title, please see [[WP:RM]]. [[User:RegentsPark|RegentsPark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark|comment]])</small> 14:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
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== Infobox Fields == |
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::{{ping|Joshua Jonathan}} Indeed, this article needs serious cleanup and surgery. The article has been tagged for a while. Blogs and websites such as drikpanchang.com are non-WP:RS. Even the source cited above is puzzling, because there is no page 160 in that Knott's book (I see it was cited by someone before @JJ began his edits, fwiw, the Appendix starts on page 111 and Index on page 133; Krishna is mentioned a bit on pages 30-37 and 50-55, and occasionally elsewhere, but I see no support for 3228 BCE or astrological calculations in that book). I urge a serious check of the sources for quality, and actual verification. [[User:Ms Sarah Welch|Ms Sarah Welch]] ([[User talk:Ms Sarah Welch|talk]]) 02:23, 4 April 2016 (UTC) |
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Infobox Fields 'birth' and 'death' should be changed to 'avatar_birth' and 'avatar_end' respectively, considering Krishna is worshipped in dual forms—as a Supreme God residing in Goloka, and as an human avatar of his Supreme self or Vishnu depending upon the sect. Therefore, it is much more appropriate to use the suggested fields for his human birth. I did it but was asked for an consensus. [[User:245CMR|<span style="background:maroon;border:solid 1px;border-radius:8px;">.<span style="color:yellow; background:maroon;">''245'''''CMR'''</span>.</span>]]•<sup>[[User talk:245CMR|👥]][[Special:Contributions/245CMR|📜]]</sup> 16:13, 26 March 2024 (UTC) |
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:::{{yo|Kautilya3|Ms Sarh Welch}} just like the [[:Vaishnavism]], this article tells very little, almost close to nothing, about the history of Krishna-religiosity. Isn't that strange? If I understand correctly, it's an amalgam of (Yujur) Vedic [[:Narayana]] and local deities like Krishna, which rose to prominence in the Mahabaratha? [[User:Joshua Jonathan|<font size="2"><span style="font-family:Forte;color:black">Joshua Jonathan</span></font>]] -[[User talk:Joshua Jonathan|<font size="3"><span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;color:black">Let's talk!</span></font>]] 04:31, 4 April 2016 (UTC) |
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== Devki's brother name is wrong with the article == |
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== External links modified == |
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his name is Kans [[Special:Contributions/2402:8100:26B1:DE2:D09B:1BF1:BD6E:19D6|2402:8100:26B1:DE2:D09B:1BF1:BD6E:19D6]] ([[User talk:2402:8100:26B1:DE2:D09B:1BF1:BD6E:19D6|talk]]) 17:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC) |
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Hello fellow Wikipedians, |
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:It may be written as "Kans" in Indian language(s), but the sanskrit word is spelled "''[[Kamsa|Kaṃsa]]''". [[User:Asteramellus|Asteramellus]] ([[User talk:Asteramellus|talk]]) 20:51, 30 May 2024 (UTC) |
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ISCKON should be corrected to ISKCON [[Special:Contributions/203.221.17.46|203.221.17.46]] ([[User talk:203.221.17.46|talk]]) 13:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:Fixed; thank you for pointing this out. [[User:Certes|Certes]] ([[User talk:Certes|talk]]) 13:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC) |
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@DaxServer I assume that your revert is based on the image change, thus I will bring back the informations added excluding the image. Do you approve? —कृष्णकुलिKrsnaquli || Contact - 09:19, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Various Vaishnava deities are considered Supreme in Vaishnavism - Vishnu, Rama, Krishna, Vithoba. Also, Krishna is pan-Hindu in nature, not a sectarian Vaishnava deity. Redtigerxyz Talk 12:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Vishnu, Rama, Krishna, Vithoba are all considered the same person; even Krishnaists agree that Krishna and Vishnu point out to the same person. Also Krishna himself claims to be the Ultimate Being in every single text he himself talks, so I thought this deserves a greater representation in his own article. But you are a more experienced editor and I guess you'd know better than me, so I will take some time reading more about article priorities and ways of writing a proper article in Wikipedia. Thank you —कृष्णकुलिKrsnaquli || Contact - 14:16, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree. Krishnaists consider Vishnu as a form of Krishna - the Supreme Being (not the same), Sri Vaishanavas consider Vishnu as the Supreme, Krishna as an avatar of Vishnu. Ramanandi Sampradaya considers as Rama as the Supreme, Krishna being his avatar. We need to define Krishna in a WP:NEUTRAL language as done in various scholarly references. Redtigerxyz Talk 15:50, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- What you just said theoretically means that both Vishnu and Krishna forms indicate the same person, Vaishnavas have consensus on that. —कृष्णकुलिKrsnaquli || Contact - 16:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, disagree again. The Sri Vaishnava belief that Krishna is the avatar/ form of Vishnu, but not vice versa. Vishnu is Supreme, not the form of Krishna in this viewpoint. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- What I'm trying to say is that both Krishna and Vishnu are forms of Svayam Bhagavan according to Vaishnavism —कृष्णकुलिKrsnaquli || Contact - 17:36, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Krsnaquli I agree with @Redtigerxyz. It is clear that what Redtigerxyz says is correct - e.g. consider Edwin Bryant's Krishna: A sourcebook page 13 "Moving forward to the sixteenth century and the theologies of what are sometimes referred to as the Krishnaite schools, we find the emergence of organized Krishna lineages that reversed the commonly held relationship between Vishnu and Krishna, positing Krishna as the source of Vishnu rather than a derivative incarnation of Vishnu". Asteramellus (talk) 23:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- What I'm trying to say is that both Krishna and Vishnu are forms of Svayam Bhagavan according to Vaishnavism —कृष्णकुलिKrsnaquli || Contact - 17:36, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, disagree again. The Sri Vaishnava belief that Krishna is the avatar/ form of Vishnu, but not vice versa. Vishnu is Supreme, not the form of Krishna in this viewpoint. Redtigerxyz Talk 17:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- What you just said theoretically means that both Vishnu and Krishna forms indicate the same person, Vaishnavas have consensus on that. —कृष्णकुलिKrsnaquli || Contact - 16:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Disagree. Krishnaists consider Vishnu as a form of Krishna - the Supreme Being (not the same), Sri Vaishanavas consider Vishnu as the Supreme, Krishna as an avatar of Vishnu. Ramanandi Sampradaya considers as Rama as the Supreme, Krishna being his avatar. We need to define Krishna in a WP:NEUTRAL language as done in various scholarly references. Redtigerxyz Talk 15:50, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
- Vishnu, Rama, Krishna, Vithoba are all considered the same person; even Krishnaists agree that Krishna and Vishnu point out to the same person. Also Krishna himself claims to be the Ultimate Being in every single text he himself talks, so I thought this deserves a greater representation in his own article. But you are a more experienced editor and I guess you'd know better than me, so I will take some time reading more about article priorities and ways of writing a proper article in Wikipedia. Thank you —कृष्णकुलिKrsnaquli || Contact - 14:16, 10 March 2024 (UTC)
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Krishna should be changed to Krishn as Krishna is Draupadi's another name Maskedchocolate (talk) 12:43, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Not done It is unclear what change you are seeking. If you are referring to a single instance of the usage of Krishna, please specify where and please provide a reliable source. If you are referring to the article title, please see WP:RM. RegentsPark (comment) 14:24, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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Infobox Fields 'birth' and 'death' should be changed to 'avatar_birth' and 'avatar_end' respectively, considering Krishna is worshipped in dual forms—as a Supreme God residing in Goloka, and as an human avatar of his Supreme self or Vishnu depending upon the sect. Therefore, it is much more appropriate to use the suggested fields for his human birth. I did it but was asked for an consensus. .245CMR.•👥📜 16:13, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
Devki's brother name is wrong with the article
his name is Kans 2402:8100:26B1:DE2:D09B:1BF1:BD6E:19D6 (talk) 17:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- It may be written as "Kans" in Indian language(s), but the sanskrit word is spelled "Kaṃsa". Asteramellus (talk) 20:51, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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ISCKON should be corrected to ISKCON 203.221.17.46 (talk) 13:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed; thank you for pointing this out. Certes (talk) 13:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)