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== Improving the map: Minor & Major regional powers == |
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The current map does not reflect the more-recent additions of what analysts consider powers in sub-regions or "minor regional powers". Perhaps it would be good to use a different color to depict them in the map. I honestly doubt this would get out of hand. Regards.--[[User:MarshalN20|<span style="color:maroon">'''MarshalN20'''</span>]] | [[User_talk:MarshalN20|<sup><font color="Olive">'''T'''</font><font color="Silver">'''al'''</font><font color="Olive">'''k'''</font></sup>]] 20:29, 18 April 2012 (UTC) |
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:I'll see what I can do; is there any request for the colours? (eg; dark blue for the 'regions' and lighter blue for the 'sub-regions' or keep the teal colour scheme we've had for a while and use a lighter teal?) [[User:Comic master|Comics]] ([[User talk:Comic master|talk]]) 04:38, 19 April 2012 (UTC) |
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::The color you like the best would be perfect. Once complete (and as more "minor regional powers" are added), I am sure that the map will display a much more intriguing regional power system (which is how it is in reality). Regards.--[[User:MarshalN20|<span style="color:maroon">'''MarshalN20'''</span>]] | [[User_talk:MarshalN20|<sup><font color="Olive">'''T'''</font><font color="Silver">'''al'''</font><font color="Olive">'''k'''</font></sup>]] 04:51, 19 April 2012 (UTC) |
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Thank you for the improved map Comics. It reflects the South American situation really well at this time. The only one I am a bit unsure about is Chile. It certainly was a power during the mid-to-late Pinochet years, but then they spent most of the 90's trying to gain back democratic stability. Recently, they've been spending plenty on armament and seem to be back on track (obviously, its economy is great). Regards.--[[User:MarshalN20|<span style="color:maroon">'''MarshalN20'''</span>]] | [[User_talk:MarshalN20|<sup><font color="Olive">'''T'''</font><font color="Silver">'''al'''</font><font color="Olive">'''k'''</font></sup>]] 13:47, 19 April 2012 (UTC) |
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Spain is included in the list of powers, but it is not colored in the map. Looks like the map or the list needs an update- just fyi. [[User:Jeffhoy|Jeffhoy]] ([[User talk:Jeffhoy|talk]]) 12:32, 24 February 2013 (UTC) |
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== Distinguishing Minor from Major Regional Powers == |
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Now would be a good time to start analyzing each of the powers currently listed and find out which are considered "minor" (or "secondary") and which are "major" (or "primary"). For example, Huntington places Great Britain as a secondary regional power. Regards.--[[User:MarshalN20|<span style="color:maroon">'''MarshalN20'''</span>]] | [[User_talk:MarshalN20|<sup><font color="Olive">'''T'''</font><font color="Silver">'''al'''</font><font color="Olive">'''k'''</font></sup>]] 05:00, 19 April 2012 (UTC) |
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:I think that "minor regional powers" is not an academic term, and they are already mentioned on [[Middle power]] and [[Small power]]... '''<font size="2" face="vivaldi" color="black">[[User:Felipe Menegaz|Felipe Menegaz]]</font>''' 07:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC) |
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:So basically what we're trying to do here is differentiate countries like France and Germany, with a strong investiture in the EU and willing to flex their regional muscles, and Britain, which has the muscles but isn't as invested? [[User:Comic master|Comics]] ([[User talk:Comic master|talk]]) 09:03, 21 April 2012 (UTC) |
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::Felipe, "minor regional power" is indeed an an academic term. Small, Middle, and Regional are all related terms (albeit, distinct). "Small Powers" is used as a contrast to "Great Powers". "Middle Powers" tends to be used to distinguish between "small powers" deemed with little influence on the international sphere, and those with greater influence on the international sphere. |
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::Finally, we have "Regional Powers". As the name explains, this is a matter concerning regions. Within regions, some countries are extremely active (primary, major), while others are more passive (secondary, minor), and the rest simply don't have much of a voice. These distinctions within "regional powers" have little to do with "middle" or "small" powers (aside from the aforementioned wider connection). |
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::Comics, exactly. Britain is a [[Great Power]], no doubt about it, but within its own region (Europe), analysts consider that it mainly focuses on its own sub-region more than in all of Europe (i.e., they call it a "Secondary Regional Power"). I think that this is historically correct as well (Britain has always maintained itself away from mainland-European affairs, except when they truly see their interests threatened). |
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::Nothing wrong exists with a country being a "secondary regional power". In the end, ''they are all'' regional powers. However, by understanding the difference between "primary" and "secondary", it creates a much more dynamic look on regional relations.--[[User:MarshalN20|<span style="color:maroon">'''MarshalN20'''</span>]] | [[User_talk:MarshalN20|<sup><font color="Olive">'''T'''</font><font color="Silver">'''al'''</font><font color="Olive">'''k'''</font></sup>]] 14:00, 21 April 2012 (UTC) |
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== Pakistan: Secondary Regional Power; but how to list it? == |
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South Asia is a small region, and India is considered the major power in the area. Pakistan is considered by most analysts as a secondary (minor) regional power. How should we place it in the list? Is there a sub-region to South Asia? Regards.--[[User:MarshalN20|<span style="color:maroon">'''MarshalN20'''</span>]] | [[User_talk:MarshalN20|<sup><font color="Olive">'''T'''</font><font color="Silver">'''al'''</font><font color="Olive">'''k'''</font></sup>]] 15:29, 21 April 2012 (UTC) |
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:: We should place it in the list the same way that it's been done for all other secondary countries in their respective regions. After India, Pakistan is the second largest regional power, in terms of all criteria when measuring the power/influence of a state i.e. population, political influence, foreign relations, military, economy, demographics etc. Btw could you define what you exactly mean by "South Asia is a small region". I do not quite understand how a population of 1.6 billion (over a fifth of the world's total population) can be called "small" by any measure. '''[[User:Mar4d|<font color="green">Mar4d</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Mar4d|<font color="green">talk</font>]]) 02:56, 22 April 2012 (UTC) |
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::: The question is ''how'' to place it in the list as a secondary regional power. Pakistan is not on the same level as India in South Asia, but there seems to be no sub-region within it to specify its secondary regional power status (which is what has been done with the other regions and sub-regions in the list). |
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::: Regarding your last sentence...is that supposed to impress me in any sort of way? Regards.--[[User:MarshalN20|<span style="color:maroon">'''MarshalN20'''</span>]] | [[User_talk:MarshalN20|<sup><font color="Olive">'''T'''</font><font color="Silver">'''al'''</font><font color="Olive">'''k'''</font></sup>]] 03:47, 22 April 2012 (UTC) |
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Just erase this section and mention nothing about what the current status of any existing country is. If need be we can cite historical examples. [[User:Hcobb|Hcobb]] ([[User talk:Hcobb|talk]]) 17:52, 16 October 2012 (UTC) |
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:The information is valuable, even if controversial. Deleting it from here will not make it disappear from reality.--[[User:MarshalN20|<span style="color:olive">'''MarshalN20'''</span>]] | [[User_talk:MarshalN20|<sup><font color="maroon">'''T'''</font><font color="Silver">'''al'''</font><font color="maroon">'''k'''</font></sup>]] 22:27, 16 January 2014 (UTC) |
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Why do people delete the region "Eurasia" and Why are Russia And Turkey within the region "Europe" now? Russia and Turkey are partially in europe and Asia but they are not European Countries 100% and for example they have not influence on the EU. It was more correct before in my view. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Barjimoa|Barjimoa]] ([[User talk:Barjimoa|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Barjimoa|contribs]]) 18:04, 24 January 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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{{ping|LuigiPortaro29}} An Italian who ''exclusively '' edits Italy related articles not being blinded with patriotism is very hard to believe. Either way, I highly advised you to revert your last edit because you just broke [[WP:3RR]] and you may be reported to [[WP:AN3]] and subsequently blocked. [[User:SpaceEconomist192|<span style="font-family:MV Boli;color:#526D82">'''SpaceEconomist'''</span>]] [[User talk:SpaceEconomist192|<span style="font-family:MV Boli;color:#6082B6">192</span>]] 13:18, 27 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:Turkey and Russia certainly have influence in the EU, even if they are not a part of it.--[[User:MarshalN20|<span style="color:olive">'''MarshalN20'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MarshalN20|<sup><font color="maroon">'''T'''</font><font color="Silver">'''al'''</font><font color="maroon">'''k'''</font></sup>]] 20:51, 16 July 2014 (UTC) |
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:Hello!. As I said you there's nothing to do with patriotism. Italy is in that list since many years here, but I have check the sources of Italy and other countries, in many cases the sources are old/outated. I think is time to found new sources and then delete that countries who aren't regional powers. I would like to hear what other users think about...-- [[User:LuigiPortaro29|LuigiPortaro29]] ([[User talk:LuigiPortaro29|talk]]) 06:40, 18 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::It has everything to do with patriotism, I removed 4 different countries and the only one you added back was ''precisely'' your country, Italy. That's great if you want to so a sources review but the sources for Italy are not good, the 36th source is unreliable due to [[WP:PRIMARY]], the 34th and 35th are unreliable due to [[WP:CONTEXTMATTERS]] and the 33tth should ideally have a page number and a transcript of the specific text since it's not verifiable for most users. Again, you broke the [[WP:3RR]], I highly advise you to revert your last edit otherwise I will report you to [[WP:AN3]]. [[User:SpaceEconomist192|<span style="font-family:MV Boli;color:#526D82">'''SpaceEconomist'''</span>]] [[User talk:SpaceEconomist192|<span style="font-family:MV Boli;color:#6082B6">192</span>]] 09:32, 18 July 2023 (UTC) |
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:::I agree with [[User:SpaceEconomist192|SpaceEconomist192]]. Luigi is the only user who has deleted Spain from the Southern Europe section, probably because he wants to see Italy as the only country there despite the fact that there are quite a few sources that describe Spain as a regional power in Southern Europe. He also deleted in other articles, despite again the numerous sources, that Spain is a cultural superpower to focus on Italy as the only possible one in Southern Europe. |
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:::Honestly, given his attitude, his neutrality is at least debatable. [[User:Venezia Friulano|Venezia Friulano]] ([[User talk:Venezia Friulano|talk]]) 12:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC) |
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::::I think we have a misunderstanding here. The sources and references used to put Spain in the list says that Spain is a "Middle Power"(which is not the same the concept of Regional Power) They don't mention Spain as a "Regional Power" in Europe. If that the case, that we have to put Spain in this list, we should add Netherlands too, considering is a "Middle Power" and an Economic power in Europe. That's why I think Spain shouldn't be in this list. It's not hard to understand that the only european countries that are full members of the G20, the G7, The Quint, and are considered the big countries of Europe since 1920 are Germany, France, Italy and the UK. These countries are enough to represent the european power, considering that Russia is also on the list. [[User:Brunov07|Brunov07]] ([[User talk:Brunov07|talk]]) 03:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC) |
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::::: Uf, sockpuppeting! Dummy. '''<span style="font-family:Sergio print;">The [[User:The Blue Rider|<span style="color:#2664F5">Blue</span>]] Rider</span>''' [[File:Postal horn icon.svg|19px |link=User talk:The Blue Rider]] 22:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::So that's your response to my opinion. Awesome dude, if seeing Spain in this wikipedia article makes you happy and your life depends on it, good for you then. It's funny because you don't have any single argument for putting Spain in the list, the only reason you do it is because you want to play the patriotic role in this article. It's even more funny because yo put Spain as a member of the G20 when that IS NOT TRUE, and you put the OECD based on what ??? lmaooo. I hope that some admin or moderator see this because this article is a complete joke. [[User:Brunov07|Brunov07]] ([[User talk:Brunov07|talk]]) 03:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::: I'm not even Spanish but nice try. Spain has multiple sources describing it as a regional power; middle power = regional power in most contexts. '''<span style="font-family:Sergio print;">The [[User:The Blue Rider|<span style="color:#2664F5">Blue</span>]] Rider</span>''' [[File:Postal horn icon.svg|19px|link= User talk:The Blue Rider]] 01:10, 21 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Spain isn't a regional power,Italy yes.[[Special:Contributions/79.23.193.41|79.23.193.41]] ([[User talk:79.23.193.41|talk]]) 08:24, 19 July 2023 (UTC) |
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== Spain it’s not a member of the G20. == |
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Okay, no problems about it. Russia is a [[transcontinental country]], they have influence not in one specific region but in parts of different regions (E.G. [[Eurasian Union]]). Turkey has far more influence in the middle east than in Europe, this is pretty obvious. However i think that for these reasons the "region" Eurasia is a right choise. So i support this version too.[[User:Barjimoa]]. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned"> — Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 13:22, 8 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Spain it's not a full member of the G20, it's a permanent invited guest, which it's not the same concept. Even in the official Spanish Foreign Ministry website says that: https://www.exteriores.gob.es/en/PoliticaExterior/Paginas/G20OCDE.aspx. It's not about "sockpuppeting" (which is totally false) it's about not spreading misinformation in Wikipedia. Spain it's NOT a member. It's a guest. So please, take note, and READ the official website of the Spanish government. If in 24 hours I don't get any response, I will delete the G20 tag in Spain. [[User:Brunov07|Brunov07]] ([[User talk:Brunov07|talk]]) 23:43, 10 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== Canada is a Regional Power, not just a Middle Power== |
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Canada is a country with a seat on the G8. It has a population larger than some of the countries on this list, a larger military, and a larger reserve of natural resources. If Australia is on this list, Canada should be as well-it surpasses Australia in these respects. |
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Please Advise [[User:Bassaintlaurent|Bassaintlaurent]] ([[User talk:Bassaintlaurent|talk]]) 22:21, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[[User:Bassaintlaurent]] 22:21, 16 January 2014 (UTC) |
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:[[User:SpaceEconomist192]] [[User:Brunov07|Brunov07]] ([[User talk:Brunov07|talk]]) 23:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:Despite its size, Canada is not a regional power due to being overshadowed by the United States. Australia is in a much smaller pond, by comparison, and sets the agenda in a sizable part of the world, populated with small countries. This makes Australia a regional power, as it exerts dear substantial influence in a regional, while Canada does not and is not a regional power. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/124.248.174.29|124.248.174.29]] ([[User talk:124.248.174.29|talk]]) 03:50, 18 March 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:: You use the same arguments, you edit the same articles about Italy, you demonstrate to be too emotionally involved on this with putting everything at CAPS LOCK in of your edits, that is, if you didn't have a past experience, this wouldn't be the case. '''<span style="font-family:Sergio print;">The [[User:The Blue Rider|<span style="color:#2664F5">Blue</span>]] Rider</span>''' [[File:Postal horn icon.svg|19px|link= User talk:The Blue Rider]] 01:16, 21 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== IS Egypt really not a regional power in North Africa == |
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::Canada is not a regional power because, as the joke goes, "it doesn't have a region." The claim that this is because the US overshadows Canada is untrue. The US also overshadows Mexico, arguably much more than it does Canada, and yet Mexico's foreign policy effectively makes it a power across various regions (Caribbean, Central America, and Latin America). Canada's foreign policy does not seek to establish the state as a power over any other country.--[[User:MarshalN20|<span style="color:olive">'''MarshalN20'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MarshalN20|<sup><font color="maroon">'''T'''</font><font color="Silver">'''al'''</font><font color="maroon">'''k'''</font></sup>]] 14:09, 21 March 2014 (UTC) |
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I remember it being listed here before. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/96.52.16.187|96.52.16.187]] ([[User talk:96.52.16.187#top|talk]]) 09:17, 26 November 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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I agree with @Marshall. Canada does not have a region in which exercise its influence even if it is a great industrial power due its G7 membership. [[User:Barjimoa]] |
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Italy as a regional power
@LuigiPortaro29: An Italian who exclusively edits Italy related articles not being blinded with patriotism is very hard to believe. Either way, I highly advised you to revert your last edit because you just broke WP:3RR and you may be reported to WP:AN3 and subsequently blocked. SpaceEconomist 192 13:18, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hello!. As I said you there's nothing to do with patriotism. Italy is in that list since many years here, but I have check the sources of Italy and other countries, in many cases the sources are old/outated. I think is time to found new sources and then delete that countries who aren't regional powers. I would like to hear what other users think about...-- LuigiPortaro29 (talk) 06:40, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- It has everything to do with patriotism, I removed 4 different countries and the only one you added back was precisely your country, Italy. That's great if you want to so a sources review but the sources for Italy are not good, the 36th source is unreliable due to WP:PRIMARY, the 34th and 35th are unreliable due to WP:CONTEXTMATTERS and the 33tth should ideally have a page number and a transcript of the specific text since it's not verifiable for most users. Again, you broke the WP:3RR, I highly advise you to revert your last edit otherwise I will report you to WP:AN3. SpaceEconomist 192 09:32, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- I agree with SpaceEconomist192. Luigi is the only user who has deleted Spain from the Southern Europe section, probably because he wants to see Italy as the only country there despite the fact that there are quite a few sources that describe Spain as a regional power in Southern Europe. He also deleted in other articles, despite again the numerous sources, that Spain is a cultural superpower to focus on Italy as the only possible one in Southern Europe.
- Honestly, given his attitude, his neutrality is at least debatable. Venezia Friulano (talk) 12:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- I think we have a misunderstanding here. The sources and references used to put Spain in the list says that Spain is a "Middle Power"(which is not the same the concept of Regional Power) They don't mention Spain as a "Regional Power" in Europe. If that the case, that we have to put Spain in this list, we should add Netherlands too, considering is a "Middle Power" and an Economic power in Europe. That's why I think Spain shouldn't be in this list. It's not hard to understand that the only european countries that are full members of the G20, the G7, The Quint, and are considered the big countries of Europe since 1920 are Germany, France, Italy and the UK. These countries are enough to represent the european power, considering that Russia is also on the list. Brunov07 (talk) 03:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- Uf, sockpuppeting! Dummy. The Blue Rider
22:52, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- So that's your response to my opinion. Awesome dude, if seeing Spain in this wikipedia article makes you happy and your life depends on it, good for you then. It's funny because you don't have any single argument for putting Spain in the list, the only reason you do it is because you want to play the patriotic role in this article. It's even more funny because yo put Spain as a member of the G20 when that IS NOT TRUE, and you put the OECD based on what ??? lmaooo. I hope that some admin or moderator see this because this article is a complete joke. Brunov07 (talk) 03:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not even Spanish but nice try. Spain has multiple sources describing it as a regional power; middle power = regional power in most contexts. The Blue Rider
01:10, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not even Spanish but nice try. Spain has multiple sources describing it as a regional power; middle power = regional power in most contexts. The Blue Rider
- So that's your response to my opinion. Awesome dude, if seeing Spain in this wikipedia article makes you happy and your life depends on it, good for you then. It's funny because you don't have any single argument for putting Spain in the list, the only reason you do it is because you want to play the patriotic role in this article. It's even more funny because yo put Spain as a member of the G20 when that IS NOT TRUE, and you put the OECD based on what ??? lmaooo. I hope that some admin or moderator see this because this article is a complete joke. Brunov07 (talk) 03:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- Uf, sockpuppeting! Dummy. The Blue Rider
- I think we have a misunderstanding here. The sources and references used to put Spain in the list says that Spain is a "Middle Power"(which is not the same the concept of Regional Power) They don't mention Spain as a "Regional Power" in Europe. If that the case, that we have to put Spain in this list, we should add Netherlands too, considering is a "Middle Power" and an Economic power in Europe. That's why I think Spain shouldn't be in this list. It's not hard to understand that the only european countries that are full members of the G20, the G7, The Quint, and are considered the big countries of Europe since 1920 are Germany, France, Italy and the UK. These countries are enough to represent the european power, considering that Russia is also on the list. Brunov07 (talk) 03:23, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- It has everything to do with patriotism, I removed 4 different countries and the only one you added back was precisely your country, Italy. That's great if you want to so a sources review but the sources for Italy are not good, the 36th source is unreliable due to WP:PRIMARY, the 34th and 35th are unreliable due to WP:CONTEXTMATTERS and the 33tth should ideally have a page number and a transcript of the specific text since it's not verifiable for most users. Again, you broke the WP:3RR, I highly advise you to revert your last edit otherwise I will report you to WP:AN3. SpaceEconomist 192 09:32, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Spain isn't a regional power,Italy yes.79.23.193.41 (talk) 08:24, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Spain it’s not a member of the G20.
Spain it's not a full member of the G20, it's a permanent invited guest, which it's not the same concept. Even in the official Spanish Foreign Ministry website says that: https://www.exteriores.gob.es/en/PoliticaExterior/Paginas/G20OCDE.aspx. It's not about "sockpuppeting" (which is totally false) it's about not spreading misinformation in Wikipedia. Spain it's NOT a member. It's a guest. So please, take note, and READ the official website of the Spanish government. If in 24 hours I don't get any response, I will delete the G20 tag in Spain. Brunov07 (talk) 23:43, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- User:SpaceEconomist192 Brunov07 (talk) 23:57, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- You use the same arguments, you edit the same articles about Italy, you demonstrate to be too emotionally involved on this with putting everything at CAPS LOCK in of your edits, that is, if you didn't have a past experience, this wouldn't be the case. The Blue Rider
01:16, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
- You use the same arguments, you edit the same articles about Italy, you demonstrate to be too emotionally involved on this with putting everything at CAPS LOCK in of your edits, that is, if you didn't have a past experience, this wouldn't be the case. The Blue Rider
IS Egypt really not a regional power in North Africa
I remember it being listed here before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.52.16.187 (talk) 09:17, 26 November 2023 (UTC)