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== User CorbieVreccan blatantly lying and distorting facts on this page == |
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I actually went through the trouble of looking up the sources listed on this page. Rolling Thunder's given name being John Pope is not a controversy. A Native American man having a white man's given name is not inherently a controversy. Many Natives have caucasian names. To assert that this is controversy is a lack of education on Corbie's part. "He has been accused of cultural appropriation..." I located these sources. The Hobson one simply says to take Rolling Thunder "with a grain of salt" but states no reason why. Is that really all it takes to create a documentable controversy? The Chidester one never even mentions Rolling Thunder, and neither make claim that Rolling Thunder took money for his practice. There is also no evidence of Rolling Thunder "self identifying". |
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For transparency, yes I am John Pope's grandson. Yes I recognize the potential conflict of interest. However anyone can look into these same issues and find what I did - that these sources are irrelevant. |
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Furthermore, RT stating he may belong to multiple tribes is not in itself a controversy. Somebody prominent calling him out about that would perhaps qualify. |
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I will continue to pursue the issue until the facts are stated instead of these dramatizations. |
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== He's a fake == |
== He's a fake == |
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User CorbieVreccan blatantly lying and distorting facts on this page
I actually went through the trouble of looking up the sources listed on this page. Rolling Thunder's given name being John Pope is not a controversy. A Native American man having a white man's given name is not inherently a controversy. Many Natives have caucasian names. To assert that this is controversy is a lack of education on Corbie's part. "He has been accused of cultural appropriation..." I located these sources. The Hobson one simply says to take Rolling Thunder "with a grain of salt" but states no reason why. Is that really all it takes to create a documentable controversy? The Chidester one never even mentions Rolling Thunder, and neither make claim that Rolling Thunder took money for his practice. There is also no evidence of Rolling Thunder "self identifying".
For transparency, yes I am John Pope's grandson. Yes I recognize the potential conflict of interest. However anyone can look into these same issues and find what I did - that these sources are irrelevant.
Furthermore, RT stating he may belong to multiple tribes is not in itself a controversy. Somebody prominent calling him out about that would perhaps qualify.
I will continue to pursue the issue until the facts are stated instead of these dramatizations.
He's a fake
He's a fake. He is a white guy with no Indian blood whatsoever. He may have been a nice guy, with good intentions - I do not mean that he was evil - but he was a fake. He lied about his Indian heritage. Vine Deloria and Ward Churchill (also accused of being a fake) both denounced him. His real name was John Pope. He claimed at various times to be Cherokee, then Shoshone, then Hopi. He made money by charging people to become "certified" medicine people and perform ceremonies, some of which were based on authentic ceremonies he observed, and others that he completely made up. Do a search for New Age Fraud and you will see him listed repeatedly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.110.79.213 (talk) 15:38, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
Ah sorry who ever you are. But we knew him in real life ! As did many others. You OPNIONS as to what & who is "Real" are merely your own. I highly suspect you do not accept your self & wish to be someone else & your personal problems do not belong to any one other than your self. I highly suggest you seek & reciseve help for this condition. & may I suggest whit mans medicine as you have no clue as to earth medicine or it's workings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.130.148.69 (talk) 13:26, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
- Those who know, dont tell, and those who tell, dont know. You had to be there.(Mercurywoodrose)99.101.137.28 (talk) 06:42, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
- This is a talk page for discussing improvements to the article. Take the personal discussion about the person somewhere besides Wikipedia. -Uyvsdi (talk) 06:46, 10 November 2013 (UTC)Uyvsdi
If is is non-Native then some sources are wrong. Ivakhiv actually cites him as Native.[1] Panther-Yates says he was Cherokee, but also ascribes miracles to him.[2] I think we should follow Ivakhiv pending better RS, and if sources conflict, then handle that per WP:WEIGHT. --Middle 8 (t • c | privacy • COI) 11:57, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Anyone who does not have solid sourcing that they are Native, but claims to be Native, is by definition, "self-identified". The source does not need to state the phrase "self-identified". This has been backed by another admin,[3] when they reverted a pretty-much identical WP:SPA edit, which, looking over the history here brings up not only WP:COI concerns, but WP:SOCK and WP:LOUTSOCK concerns as well. - CorbieVreccan ☊ ☼ 22:35, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Bob Dylan and Jerry Garcia saw him as a spiritual leader.
"Bob Dylan and Jerry Garcia saw him as a spiritual leader." [in the main article]
At no point did Bob Dylan see Rolling Thunder as a spiritual leader. Has someone suggested he did? Is there a reference for this?
It is more likely he saw him as a curious charlatan... But there is no evidence anywhere of what opinion Bob Dylan had. EDLIS Café 19:02, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
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