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@Melotown and RegentsPark: This is starting to look a little like edit warring. Please continue the discussion here and not by reverting each other. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 16:21, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
- @Fowler&fowler:: for reference, these were the edits done by the above pinged editor, the rest were previously reverted. You may want to leave a courtesy refutation for the editor. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 10:23, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 23 January 2017
Ani1977 (talk) 14:08, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
- You haven't said what you want changed, merely that you want a change. Please include a "complete and specific description" of what you want changed, see the template text. If you do reactivate this request you will need to change the template parameter to "answered=no" to alert other editors. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:26, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Bibliography
The current section "Works cited" includes a number of works which are not cited. As I've previously said, I'm not a subject specialist – merely a gnome. I propose to move the uncited works into a new "Further reading" section by the end of the week, and once I've done that can some knowledgeable types have a look at them and see if they are relevant to the expected readership? Thanks. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:58, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Martin of Sheffield: Thanks for doing this. Ideally, as your post implies, editors should have all the relevant references they plan on using in the Further Reading section, and as and when they use them, move them to the Works Cited section. Will take a look when you're done. Let us know. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 23:08, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- Actually it was quicker and easier than I thought, and I got it done during lunch. If you are interested see also Death of Subhas Chandra Bose where I've done a similar thing. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 23:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks! I have now commented out the less relevant, or less reliable, sources in both articles. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:04, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
- Actually it was quicker and easier than I thought, and I got it done during lunch. If you are interested see also Death of Subhas Chandra Bose where I've done a similar thing. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 23:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2017
subash chandrabose also had german citizenship.....plz edit it 117.248.41.33 (talk) 16:06, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
Not done Please provide a reliable source. Thanks. --regentspark (comment) 16:34, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
"The real fault, however, must attach to the Japanese commander-in-chief Kawabe. Dithering, ill and decisive, prostrated with amoebic dysentery, he ... "
This is part of a lengthy quotation included as footnote "u" (27 March 2017). I am wondering if "Dithering, ill and decisive..." should read "Dithering, ill and indecisive...". Otherwise - at least to me - it doesn't make too much sense. Might it be a typo?
The source, as you can see, is given as "McLynn, Frank (2011), The Burma Campaign: Disaster Into Triumph, 1942–45, New Haven: Yale University Press, ISBN 978-0-300-17162-4, retrieved 6 November 2013".
But I don't have access to the source. Is there someone out there who does who might be able to check this, please? And thank you.
Regards Charles01 (talk) 18:36, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- @Charles01: I have the Kindle version, and unfortunately it does say, "Dithering, ill and decisive, ....," though as you point out, it doesn't make obvious sense. Perhaps it is a mistake made in the optical character recognition (OCR) process for Kindle, though, those sorts of mistakes (indecisive-->decisive) seldom happen. I did check Google Books, there on page 427 there is no mention of Kawabe or of busted flushes! A search there didn't give a different page, further deepening the mystery. But then Google Books searches, too, are based on OCR, and they certainly make errors. Most likely the author did mean to write, "Dithering, ill and indecisive, ...," but, who knows, perhaps he meant something else. The best solution for us is to remove this anomalous bit from the (long) quote since, in any case, it is not so relevant to what it is citing. Thanks for your close reading. This bit has stood in this page for many years, and for many years before that, I suspect, in McLynn's book, part of the Yale Library of Military History series. Let me offer my thanks and admiration, especially since I may have added it, and it escaped me. I will be amending the quote now. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:12, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- My (Proquest) copy says decisive as well. The rest of the text doesn't support decisive at all. I can check the physical copy but not for a couple of days. Assuming it's not resolved before then. --regentspark (comment) 21:47, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- I did take a general look at the book. There are all sorts of strange constructions ("by the end of June Tanaka had lost altogether 12,000 dead, 7,000 killed in battle and another 5,000 to disease") and repetitions. "Dither," "dithers," "dithering," for example, occur seven times in the book. They are almost being used as military terms. ("because of initial poor intelligence and dithering," "another attack of the dithers") "Busted flush" occurs twice. I have a feeling the book may not have been carefully copy edited. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:15, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Well, it's pleasing when a concern such as this triggers such thoughtful overnight (I'm in England) responses. Thank you.
- Given that User:RegentsPark will have access to a hard copy of the book in the next few days, that looks like a solution approaching over the horizon. Thank you in anticipation, and I hope I'm not setting you (or someone) up for checking all the other quotes from this book that have made it through to wikipedia via OCR based transcriptions. It will be interesting to learn if it's simply some kind of an "OCR" error, or if the book itself contains (what I still am inclined to think is probably) a typo. Or rather a type setting error. Printing firms certainly did let such errors through, back in the old days. But I do remember, when I was about ten, looking on in awe at a whole room full of proof readers at a printing business in Edinburgh, me - as instructed by Mother - taking care not so much as to sniff for fear of disturbing them. It's a bit sad that poor little Google are so dismally underfunded that they can't afford proof readers. But maybe that's a digression too far on my part. Thank you again. Regards Charles01 (talk) 07:36, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
- I did take a general look at the book. There are all sorts of strange constructions ("by the end of June Tanaka had lost altogether 12,000 dead, 7,000 killed in battle and another 5,000 to disease") and repetitions. "Dither," "dithers," "dithering," for example, occur seven times in the book. They are almost being used as military terms. ("because of initial poor intelligence and dithering," "another attack of the dithers") "Busted flush" occurs twice. I have a feeling the book may not have been carefully copy edited. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 22:15, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- My (Proquest) copy says decisive as well. The rest of the text doesn't support decisive at all. I can check the physical copy but not for a couple of days. Assuming it's not resolved before then. --regentspark (comment) 21:47, 27 March 2017 (UTC)