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Articles created/expanded on May 6
Women in Laos
- ... that in Lao Buddhism, the women of Laos (pictured) are taught that they can only attain nirvana after they have been reborn as men?
Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:54, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Length, hook, and source all check out. All that needs to be done now is a review of another article. --Starstriker7(Talk) 03:17, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)
A have a few issues with this article. [source 1] looks like a blog and there are two sections (Marriage/Sexuality) that have only one sentence. --Guerillero | My Talk 03:22, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- (edit conflict)
- I reviewed the article: Colmar - Meyenheim Air Base - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:28, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, you have a point. I didn't catch it as a blog earlier. However, the two sections that have only one sentence don't seem to conflict with DYK requirements; the overall article size still checks out, as do the newness and hook items. --Starstriker7(Talk) 03:30, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- I was able to address the ref issue for the hook by replacing it with this book. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:39, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
- Replaced the blog ref with the Lonely Planet book from which it was based on or copied from. Found it from googlebooks. Ref is now valid source for whole article. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:49, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Alrighty then. With that issue resolved, this looks good to go for real. --Starstriker7(Talk) 05:11, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
- The picture does not picture "women of Laos," it pictures one woman. I have no problem with this moving forward without the image, however, I express reservations of promoting it with an incorrectly labeled picture. BelloWello (talk) 21:43, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
- Replaced the image with two "women from Laos" from Commons. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:17, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
- Rollover captions changed as well. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:18, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Alright, thanks for prompt attention. Probably unnecessary since the chance of it being featured as the image is slim, but something that caught my attention anyway. BelloWello (talk) 22:25, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
- Rollover captions changed as well. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:18, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
- Replaced the image with two "women from Laos" from Commons. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:17, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm not convinced it's a good hook. Obviously there's a difference between the cultural belief system/traditions of Theravada Buddhism and being actively taught something by someone. I'm curious where these women of Laos are being actively taught that that they can only attain nirvana after they have been reborn as men. It seems to me a bit like saying that women of the U.S. are taught that they can only get to heaven if they go to church etc. I'm not sure that Lonely Planet is an appropriate source for sweeping statements like this. Sean.hoyland - talk 09:50, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- I have to agree with Sean that this is a fairly sweeping claim to rely on LP for. (Honestly, I barely trust LP to get me to local bars). Would it be possible to source this to a more academic work? This reservation aside, thanks for creating all these women of articles, AnakngAraw. It's a good area to look at and I look forward to seeing how they develop. -- Khazar (talk) 16:01, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1 "that although Laotian women are constitutionally equal to Laotian men, they generally receive less pay?" Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:59, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Though I think that hook's very likely to be true, I'm again wary of relying on Lonely Planet for those kinds of stats; I'm not sure it qualifies as a reliable source for demographic data. Is there a more academic, or govt., source we could reference? On a much pickier point, we might add a word like "generally" or "on average" in there.Khazar (talk) 18:32, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Fixed the generally part. Don't know anything about sources though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Though I think that hook's very likely to be true, I'm again wary of relying on Lonely Planet for those kinds of stats; I'm not sure it qualifies as a reliable source for demographic data. Is there a more academic, or govt., source we could reference? On a much pickier point, we might add a word like "generally" or "on average" in there.Khazar (talk) 18:32, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1 "that although Laotian women are constitutionally equal to Laotian men, they generally receive less pay?" Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:59, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 8
Amina Bokhary controversy
- ... that the 2010 Amina Bokhary controversy provoked an uproar in Hong Kong for alleged preferential treatment for a member of a well-connected family?
- Note: Article was previously speedied and userified. It was then rewritten by Ohconfucius and was moved back to article space on 8 May.
- Reviewed: Steam devil ([1])
Created by Ohconfucius (talk). Nominated by Deryck Chan (talk) at 21:43, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Length, date, and sources all look good. My only question is that I had trouble referencing the specific claim of an uproar to a specific source. While clearly true, it's still a bit of a judgment call. One headline describes a "police uproar" but not a more general one. Another good solid fact is the survey on confidence in the judiciary. I wonder if you might cite a more concrete fact here, such as the number of people at a march, or a more direct quote from a news source. I apologize if that's a really pedantic concern to bring to such an already well-researched and well-constructed article; it's just that with a controversial subject like I want to make sure we get the hook right. -- Khazar (talk) 15:51, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
- I've got a really bad Internet connection, so I will just post a couple of links – the first one is particularly straight to the point with the headline; the articles in the second link will provide a deeper insight, if needed:
Dennis Chong (August 12, 2010), Furor over Bokhary `unhelpful'
6 South China Morning Post articles. Let me know if your concerns are not sufficiently dealt with. –Ohconfucius ¡digame! 16:09, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Looks good to me. Sorry I missed that one on the first pass, and congrats on a nice article. -- Khazar (talk) 17:18, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks Khazar and Ohconfucius for meticulously going through the citations, and well done archiving copies of SCMP articles in the talk history! --Deryck C. 18:03, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
- I've got a really bad Internet connection, so I will just post a couple of links – the first one is particularly straight to the point with the headline; the articles in the second link will provide a deeper insight, if needed:
- Thanks to Deryck for the nomination. I have a small issue with the hook viz: I don't so much think the 'Amina Bokhary controversy' provoked an uproar, because it was the uproar itself; the legal judgement was the source of the uproar. Any ideas how to reword? --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 10:33, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that the Amina Bokhary controversy was an uproar caused by the alleged preferential treatment of a member of a well-connected family by the judicial system in Hong Kong? Ohconfucius ¡digame! 15:28, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
A nominated article must be new. For purposes of DYK, a "new" article is no more than five days old, and may not consist of text spun off from a pre-existing article. This article is not new. It was created in January 2010 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amina_Bokhary_controversy&limit=500&action=history. Then it got deleted last month http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amina_Bokhary_controversy&action=historysubmit&diff=426863147&oldid=426117315. It does not qualify as expansion since then. 61.18.170.162 (talk) 15:38, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
- I'd like to respond by saying that DYK criteron D8 states "Five days old" means five days old in article space. Having been deleted and re-created (whatever means it was deleted from article space) means it's a new article. Of course, per rule D13, I'll leave the admins in charge of DYK to decide whether this article qualifies for DYK. --Deryck C. 21:42, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
It was userfied after being in a reasonable (at least well-referenced) state for almost a year. Then rewritten but not expanded. As this promotion have raised legitimate concerns at WT:DYK, I have returned it from the queues. Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- It seems a bit odd to me to count the date and characters of past speedy-deleted material instead of the article space's current state (no article, 0 chars immediately before their nomination). I'll admit I'm newish to DYK, though, so having voiced that, I'm glad to leave it to the experts. Khazar (talk) 00:51, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't observe either speedy nomination, speedy deletion, or a zero-char article. This is the version which was moved to the user space (no idea why it was moved). Materialscientist (talk) 03:37, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- For information: as explained above, it was speedied. --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 09:50, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- By zero-char, I only meant to say that it appears to me that the article space was empty before the article was moved over into it; of course there were more than zero chars in their user space, as with many DYK noms. It's clear that this is an unusual case, though, since chunks of the previous article were preserved in user space. You know the rules better than me, so I'm good with whatever. Khazar (talk) 17:17, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- The discussion about this article is getting rather unpleasant, and I'd very much like the trolling and personal attacks to end. I don't really care deeply if this gets a DYK or not, but as it seems to me that it qualifies by virtue of having been moved from userspace. The amount of apparently unreasonable and uncivil resistance makes me more inclined to fight hard for it. If there is any question specifically about the speedy, ask either Off2riorob (talk · contribs · count), who has been following this, or the deleting admin – JzG (talk · contribs · count). I cannot find the comment any more, but I read that it was apparently speedied on the response of an OTRS ticket. In any event, can we have a ruling please? --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 17:30, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't observe either speedy nomination, speedy deletion, or a zero-char article. This is the version which was moved to the user space (no idea why it was moved). Materialscientist (talk) 03:37, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- It seems a bit odd to me to count the date and characters of past speedy-deleted material instead of the article space's current state (no article, 0 chars immediately before their nomination). I'll admit I'm newish to DYK, though, so having voiced that, I'm glad to leave it to the experts. Khazar (talk) 00:51, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
The article stood in the main space for almost a year in a referenced state (then userfied and moved back w/o expansion). Thus decline for technical reasons (and all the related controversies do not bring any positive contribution to this matter). Materialscientist (talk) 00:39, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- I think this case served as an important precedent, and its ruling should warrant an amendment to the DYK rules: "For purposes of DYK, a "new" article is no more than five days old, and may not consist of text spun off from a pre-existing or deleted article." --Deryck C. 13:12, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think any rules need to be amended. If there is pre-existing prose, you need to expand 5 folds. The problem here is just that there is too much old prose, there is not enough expansion. If this re-created/undeleted article does not contain previous prose, then it should be treated as a brand new article and qualify for DYK easily. --PFHLai (talk) 00:59, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Head Standard
- ... that the success of the Head Standard, the first modern downhill ski design, propelled Head to be the largest ski company in the world by the 1960s?
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 14:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
- I think the image would be better if it was rotated, long-way up. But I don't know how to do this.
- No, this image will never work at 100px, whichever orientation you choose. Schwede66 22:53, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, most of this page reads like a "personal reflection or essay", much along the lines of the source the information was taken from. The whole history of how Howard Head first failed and then succeeded belongs on his own page (which, by the way, is under-referenced). Perhaps you could focus on the ski itself – its development, sales, and success. Yoninah (talk) 19:45, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- No, this image will never work at 100px, whichever orientation you choose. Schwede66 22:53, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- I think the image would be better if it was rotated, long-way up. But I don't know how to do this.
- YMMV, of course, but it seems this article is in keeping with similar articles, say Incandescent light bulb or Telegraphy. I will be expanding the second on competing products, but that won't effect the DYK section. Generally this should be taken to the talk page though. I can copy it over if you'd like. Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:53, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- I agree with Yoninah. I don't know if I would call it a personal essay, but it certainly reads like a lengthy summary of one article. The sourcing is a bit meager but should be able to support a short article; it's the writing that's the problem. That's not an issue for the article talk page--at DYK we have to make the call as to whether these articles are good and representative. I see one small edit made to the article on 14 May (and that edit is even more in the unencyclopedic style signaled by Yoninah) but nothing more; given that the article was started almost two weeks ago, I think that its run might have come to an end. Drmies (talk) 15:31, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- YMMV, of course, but it seems this article is in keeping with similar articles, say Incandescent light bulb or Telegraphy. I will be expanding the second on competing products, but that won't effect the DYK section. Generally this should be taken to the talk page though. I can copy it over if you'd like. Maury Markowitz (talk) 19:53, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Fair enough, withdrawing the nom. Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:57, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Great Anatolia Party
- ... that logo of the Great Anatolia Party of Turkey was consisted from a perforated drum and a leaping jaguar in the drum hole?
Created by Logom (talk). Self nom at 00:49, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
While an apparently notable subject, and sufficient in length and date, both the hook and article will need substantial grammatical cleanup to be ready for the front page. I'm sorry I can't help out more with this, Logom. I started in on the article but at times had difficulty determining the intention of the sentences. Since the given sources are in Turkish, I couldn't go to those either. Perhaps another bilingual editor could help this one? -- Khazar (talk) 04:01, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I've cleaned up the article as best I could, but some questions remain--was it the drummer who owned the Jaguar? And what was so significant about Turkish politics that spawned an opposition to the Motherland party? What issues did they run on? Who were the people involved? Was it a joke? (I mean, that logo can hardly be taken seriously.) I could go on. In short, the article is much too narrow, completely devoid of political context and focusing only on the name and the logo--I propose that this not go to the front page. Besides, it's been almost two weeks since the article was worked on. Drmies (talk) 15:45, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 11
Kelly Cherry
- ... that Kelly Cherry, author of We Can Still Be Friends, was named the Poet Laureate of Virginia in 2010?
Created by Ijil RHG (talk). Nominated by Patrickneil (talk) at 19:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorry; not yet. The prose section contains fewer than 1500 characters. The lists are not included in the count. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:33, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
- please explain what you mean? Ijil RHG (talk) 14:31, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- The article currently contains 1215 characters of prose. The minimum requirement for DYK is 1500 characters (see DYK rules). —Bruce1eetalk 14:48, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- Also, the picture is missing a copyright tag. —Bruce1eetalk 11:01, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
- these three photos were supplied by the person named in the article... can you help me to find the appropriate verification to click so the photos can remain with the article? thanks. Ijil RHG (talk) 14:31, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- There currently aren't any pictures in the article. The picture supplied with this nomination has since been deleted (see deletion log). —Bruce1eetalk 14:48, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
[1] Very few footnotes in the Biography section. [2] If this is taken as a expansion nom, then the article is >2k characters too short. If this is taken as a creation nom, then the nomination is a week too late. --PFHLai (talk) 08:49, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Bride-buying
- ... that bride-buying, a form of marriage of convenience, is an old tradition in India and China that is still practiced today?
Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 00:37, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed: Carex riparia [2]. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:45, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
. Length, date and references verified. Good to go.--Nvvchar. 09:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Hm.. AnakngAraw, again, it is great that you started this topic, but you just scooped a top of it. The hook translates into "... that women are being mishandled in India and China?" - a slap to countries which are picked up only because the article is limited to them. I believe we need something more neutral. Materialscientist (talk) 04:38, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- You have a point. Thanks. I am then suggesting ALTs 1 and 2:
- ALT 1: ... that bride-buying is an illegal industry of purchasing a bride to become property that can be resold or repurchased for reselling?
- ALT 2: ... that bride-buying is an illegal trade of purchasing a bride and a form of marriage of convenience? - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:21, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- ALT 3 "... that bride-buying, although illegal, still takes place in some countries?" Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:25, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- You have a point. Thanks. I am then suggesting ALTs 1 and 2:
Articles created/expanded on May 13
London Ferrill
- ... that the 1854 funeral procession for London Ferrill, preacher of First African Baptist Church in Lexington, Kentucky, numbered 5,000, second only to that for the statesman Henry Clay?
Created by User:Parkwells (talk). Self nom at 19:36, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed List of human diseases associated with infectious pathogens
Date and length check. I can not find hook in cited source.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:36, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Nursing practice
- ... that nursing practice has two main levels and five stages of development?
Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:07, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm. The article is cleanly organized, but there are two issues. First of all, given that the sourcing comes from a college, a council, and a company of lawyers, the article is rather one-sided and focuses exclusively on the description of current practice, without acknowledging that there may well be a history to the topic. (This is not the same point as a certain lack of reliable sourcing.) Second, there currently is a merge proposal, and I don't think an article should be on the front page while there is no consensus on whether it can stand alone. This may change in a couple of days, as may the other problem I see. Right now, the article is not ready yet. Drmies (talk) 04:22, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
- Historical expansion being done with a few others. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:41, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- Had expanded it further. - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:02, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you. But I still don't think we should move forward with this given the balance of discussion at Talk:Nursing#Merger_proposal. Sorry, Drmies (talk) 13:53, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- Need admin-assisted decision to close the discussion so that eligibility of my article can be determined. Any admins from here please. - AnakngAraw (talk) 14:05, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you. But I still don't think we should move forward with this given the balance of discussion at Talk:Nursing#Merger_proposal. Sorry, Drmies (talk) 13:53, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Genesis Housing Group
- ... that PCHA, Pathmeads and Springboard housing associations have amalgamated to make Genesis Housing Group now managing over 40,000 homes?
Created by MikeBeckett (talk). Self nom at 06:02, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Article is under 1500 characters. The references also need to formatted beyond bare URLs (see WP:Citation templates) and notability must be shown beyond primary sources. Yoninah (talk) 20:21, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 14
2011 Manhattan terrorism plot
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Empire_State_Building_Feb_2006.jpg/100px-Empire_State_Building_Feb_2006.jpg)
- ... that in the 2011 Manhattan terrorism plot, two Muslim Arab-Americans allegedly planned to attack an unspecified synagogue and expressed interest in blowing up a church and the Empire State Building (pictured)?
Created by Plot Spoiler (talk). Self nom at 00:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Norbert M. Samuelson [3]
Forgive my naive comments - I've only glanced through the article and read a story that two individuals allegedly tried to purchase three pistols and hand grenades and allegedly planned to attack an unspecified synagogue and expressed interest in blowing up a church and the Empire State Building. They were arrested on 11 May (only 5 days ago). Apart from the NPOV and BLP issues (alleged all through), doesn't this all read like a tabloid? FYI, there is an ongoing discussion on DYK moving this way. Materialscientist (talk) 00:40, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- This is an incident covered throughout the national media and the utmost reliable sources. Please read the article and the attached references so you can make informed comment. Otherwise this all just sounds like WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Plot Spoiler (talk) 03:52, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- Not IDONTLIKEIT, just basic engineering - it is very difficult to blow up the Empire State Building with grenades, especially if they are not purchased yet (they seemed to have one) and if we don't know whether they were going to be purchased. As to reliable sources, I specifically linked this page because of the use of Daily Mail. Materialscientist (talk) 04:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- They "expressed interest" in blowing up the Empire State Building; it doesn't speak to their competency in doing so. But law enforcement officials took their plot quite seriously, particularly the part about trying to attack a synagogue. And rather than focusing on the Daily Mail, you should look at the bulk of references, which were from the AP, Wall Street Journal, etc. All in all, this seems to have nothing to do with the DYK, just your own natural curiosity. Plot Spoiler (talk) 04:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- Not IDONTLIKEIT, just basic engineering - it is very difficult to blow up the Empire State Building with grenades, especially if they are not purchased yet (they seemed to have one) and if we don't know whether they were going to be purchased. As to reliable sources, I specifically linked this page because of the use of Daily Mail. Materialscientist (talk) 04:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- I think that there are neutrality issues with the article. For example it says that one of the protagonists has been arrested six times previously "including an October 2010 robbery of a prostitute" (don't you mean kidnapping of a prostitute? The source for that won't let me see the full article) which were all dismissed. Dismissed charges are surely not relevant, and there seems to be a "no smoke without fire" subtext. I also have doubts about whether the event itself is notable enough to merit an article. Quasihuman | Talk 22:30, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- I also notice that the sentence sourced to The Daily Mail is a negative sentence about a living person, I have therefore removed it per WP:BLP because The Daily Mail cannot be considered to be a reliable source & no other references were cited for it. Quasihuman | Talk 22:48, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- First of all, this event is clearly notable, having been covered in all major U.S. papers. Media coverage is enduring and will continue as the trial of the suspects unfolds. And his prior arrest record seems quite notable - given that a reliable source reported it. Plot Spoiler (talk) 00:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- See WP:NOTNEWS. Encyclopedia can use some newspapers as references for its information, but it is not meant to reflect all events reported by newspapers, no matter how reliable they are. This nom appears as premature, as the subjects have just been arrested and the notability of this event is uncertain ("seem notable" and "will continue as the trial of the suspects unfolds" are yet speculations). Materialscientist (talk) 00:46, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Please. This is WP:SNOWBALL. This is not some minor news story. This was front page news which will continue to be notably covered, beyond a shadow of a doubt. If you think it's WP:NOTNEWS, go for the afd. Otherwise, this seems to still appear as WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Plot Spoiler (talk) 02:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- There are still sourcing problems with the article, one paragraph is sourced to a New York Post article. Not being from that side of the pond, I didn't know about the New York Post's reputation, but put it this way, If that kind of article was in Wikipedia, I would tag it for speedy deletion under G10 as an attack page. Please be more careful with your sourcing, especially when the article contains biographical details of living people. Quasihuman | Talk 11:35, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Please. This is WP:SNOWBALL. This is not some minor news story. This was front page news which will continue to be notably covered, beyond a shadow of a doubt. If you think it's WP:NOTNEWS, go for the afd. Otherwise, this seems to still appear as WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Plot Spoiler (talk) 02:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- See WP:NOTNEWS. Encyclopedia can use some newspapers as references for its information, but it is not meant to reflect all events reported by newspapers, no matter how reliable they are. This nom appears as premature, as the subjects have just been arrested and the notability of this event is uncertain ("seem notable" and "will continue as the trial of the suspects unfolds" are yet speculations). Materialscientist (talk) 00:46, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- First of all, this event is clearly notable, having been covered in all major U.S. papers. Media coverage is enduring and will continue as the trial of the suspects unfolds. And his prior arrest record seems quite notable - given that a reliable source reported it. Plot Spoiler (talk) 00:00, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- I also notice that the sentence sourced to The Daily Mail is a negative sentence about a living person, I have therefore removed it per WP:BLP because The Daily Mail cannot be considered to be a reliable source & no other references were cited for it. Quasihuman | Talk 22:48, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- I have nominated the article for AfD here due to concerns about notability, If the result is keep, the hook can be reviewed then. Quasihuman | Talk 14:27, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
For all the concerns expressed above, I am surprised no one has pointed out that this hook is too long because it exceeds the maximum length of 200 characters. OCNative (talk) 09:38, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- Actually I'm getting 198 characters (with spaces)...? Plot Spoiler (talk) 17:46, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- My count is 202 characters. OCNative (talk) 03:02, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- I think the difference in counts centers on whether the ellipsis at the start should be included, my count matched Plot Spoiler's, but I don't know if the ellipsis should be included or not. Quasihuman | Talk 20:49, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- Ah, yes that would be the difference the ellipsis is three characters and the space between the ellipsis and "that" would be the fourth character. In my experience the ellipsis is counted toward the 200-character limit. Might I suggest changing "expressed interest" to "were interested" to cut down on the hook length? OCNative (talk) 05:12, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- I think the difference in counts centers on whether the ellipsis at the start should be included, my count matched Plot Spoiler's, but I don't know if the ellipsis should be included or not. Quasihuman | Talk 20:49, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- My count is 202 characters. OCNative (talk) 03:02, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- Actually I'm getting 198 characters (with spaces)...? Plot Spoiler (talk) 17:46, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Julien Hoffmann
- ... that Julien Hoffmann is the composer of the song "La marche du Grand-Duc Henri", first performed at a special royal concert marking HRH Grand Duke Henri’s accession to the throne of Luxembourg on October 7, 2000 at the Grand Ducal Palace?
2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 10:31, 15 May 2011 (UTC) Reviewed Nicolae Iorga♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:00, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Duplicated the hook from the other nomination here. This article got nominated twice.Schwede66 20:26, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry; no. The articles are about two different people with similar names. Earlier today, I nominated and co-credited myself (along with Dr. Blofeld) for Julien Hoffman. What happened to that nom? --Rosiestep (talk) 04:31, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, I can't believe this. Julien Hoffmann and Julien Hoffman sitting almost on top of one another. Sorry, I didn't spot that they were different by one 'n'. Sorry. Will have to restore your nomination by going through the history (have to log off, now, though). My humble apologies. Schwede66 06:19, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- Ok, all should be in order again. Sorry for the stuff up. You managed to nominate those two within 11 minutes of one another - how crazy is that? Schwede66 08:51, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Right, might as well review this. Confirm that it's a 2x BLP done recently. Article does not meet the minimum size requirement of 1500B of prose, though. Also, the last paragraph is lacking a ref. There's lots of little facts worked into the hook. Two of the references are in Lëtzebuergësch, which I can't read (AGF this). Reference #6 has 122 pages; would you kindly point to the page where it confirms something? Lastly, the fact that it was played for HRH Grand Duke Henri’s accession has no reference, but that's required for the hook fact. The article needs some going over, with superfluous spaces to be removed, closing quotation marks to be added - it looks somewhat unfinished in its current state. Finally, the hook is way over the 200 character limit. None of the problems would be hard to overcome, there's just quite a few of them. Schwede66 09:10, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- Alt1 ... that Julien Hoffmann is the composer of "La marche du Grand-Duc Henri", song first performed at a royal concert marking Grand Duke Henri’s accession to the throne of Luxembourg on October 7, 2000? (197 characters) --Doug Coldwell talk 21:14, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Alt2 ... that Julien Hoffmann composed "La marche du Grand-Duc Henri", a march first heard at a concert on October 7, 2000, to mark Grand Duke Henry’s accession to the throne of Luxembourg? (Slightly shorter... it's a march rather than a song and was first heard in public on that date: I have corrected the article.) Moonraker2 (talk) 22:09, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 15
John Lipsky
- ... that Iowan John Lipsky became Acting Managing Director of the International Monetary Fund 2.5 months before his expected retirement after Dominique Strauss-Kahn was indicted for sexual assault?
- Comment: Hope the Swahili rule (D9) will apply here.
Created by Trident13 (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 16:26, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Anton Graff
- ... that Swiss painter Anton Graff made portraits of almost 1,000 contemporaries, including Frederick the Great (pictured), Goethe, Schiller, and Herder?
5x expanded by John Jason Junior (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 05:39, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- It's late--I'll review something tomorrow. Drmies (talk) 05:40, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Made comments on Head Standard and Great Anatolia Party (incl. copy edits, some of them minor). Drmies (talk) 15:47, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Length good, hook checks out (using the New International Encyclopedia link; obviously I'll AGF on the hard-copy book cited). You might want to break out a separate reference for the first sentence of that paragraph, to clarify the citation, but it's not imperative. Very interesting article on a busy portraitist. Horologium (talk) 02:26, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Ski Lift No. 1
- ... that when Aspen's Ski Lift No. 1 (bottom station, pictured) opened in 1947, it was claimed to be the longest ski lift in the world at 6,800 feet (2,100 m)?
- ALT1:... that a ski instructor's St. Bernard occasionally rode up Aspen's Ski Lift No. 1 (bottom station, pictured) to join his master for lunch?
- ALT2:... that Colorado's governor-elect William Lee Knous formally opened Aspen's Ski Lift No. 1 in 1947 by breaking a bottle of champagne over one of its chairs (pictured)?
- Reviewed: Mark Fulton (loyalist) ([4])
- Comment: I have a picture of one of the chairs that I
hope to upload later today— it would be a better illustration for ALT2. Also, I intend to diffuse the footnote for the Skiing Heritage Journal a bit to individual pages in order to make it easier to find the cites relevant to the article.
Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 14:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- Update: OK, took care of that. Daniel Case (talk) 03:46, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Loud (Stan Walker song)
- ... that the music video for Stan Walker's song "Loud", which shows a party with loud music, was filmed in Los Angeles?
- Reviewed: Belgian Entertainment Association ([5])
- Comment: I realise that it's a bland hook, but it's all we have for now
Created by Adabow (talk), Ozurbanmusic (talk). Self nom at 07:06, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
The cited source is a TheHotHits.com "Celebrity News & Gossip" article, and (I think) not reliable. I've submitted a query at WP:RSN. In the meantime, a press release from the artist, the label, or the video production company, would be a better source. --Lexein (talk) 05:29, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- I have replaced the filiming location with Stuff.co.nz a reliable news website, but THH seemed to be the first place to have shown the video. Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:21, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- I added a citation of the artist's website - a primary source, and now consider it double-sourced.
Looks ok to me, but I now defer to another editor to assess this item. --Lexein (talk) 08:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- The Hot Hits is a radio program, I'm sure its website is reliable? They just happen to have the latest celebrity news, as many other radio websites would. The video was released exclusively to their website, as mentioned on Stan's official website. Ozurbanmusic (talk) 11:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- I added a citation of the artist's website - a primary source, and now consider it double-sourced.
Two Broke Girls
- ... that the CBS comedy series Two Broke Girls is set in New York City, USA?
--BabbaQ (talk) 11:50, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
is only 664 characters, excluding infobox, cast list and references—far short of 1500 Jebus989✰ 13:29, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- Not only that, but what is interesting about the hook? Is it the only series set in NYC? Dahn (talk) 16:18, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
Reject this nomination. With the nominator blocked for a week for sockpuppetry, it is unlikely this will be expanded in a reasonable amount of time. As a television show premiering in September, I'm sure it can be 5x expanded in the future if someone wishes to renominate it for DYK. Furthermore, the nominator has a history of using sockpuppets to approve his own DYK nominations, as per the evidence provided at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#BabbaQ's sockpuppets by Mandarax. OCNative (talk) 02:48, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Refah tragedy
- ... that in the early stage of World War II, neutral country Turkey's steamer Refah was torpedoed by an unidentified submarine in eastern Mediterranean Sea killing 170 of 202 people aboard?
5x expanded by CeeGee (talk). Self nom at 08:41, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Sebastian Kamwanga[6]
Length, date and image all ok and turkish language refs accepted in good faith. However, the hook fact (the part about the casualty numbers) does not have an inline cite. More importantly, both the hook and article must have a copyedit by an English speaker before this can go on the front page. SpinningSpark 20:40, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1... that in the early stage of the World War II, neutral country Turkey's steamer Refah was torpedoed by an unidentified submarine in eastern Mediterranean Sea killing 168 of the 200 people aboard? CeeGee (talk) 18:46, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- Just corrected the article sofar and modified the hook. Hope someone of native English speaking will copyedit the article. Cheers.CeeGee (talk) 18:55, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- I've cleaned up the grammar. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- It would be more usual to say "In the early stages" (with an "s") unless you are talking about a clearly defined "early stage" which in this context, you aren't. I suggest the hook is altered. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 19:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- ALT2... that in the early stages of World War II the steamer Refah from neutral Turkey was torpedoed by an unidentified submarine in the eastern Mediterranean killing 168 of the 200 people aboard? SpinningSpark 00:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- It would be more usual to say "In the early stages" (with an "s") unless you are talking about a clearly defined "early stage" which in this context, you aren't. I suggest the hook is altered. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 19:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- I've cleaned up the grammar. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
International Centre for Policy Studies (ICPS)
- ... that the International Centre for Policy Studies (ICPS) is involved in analysis of sub-regional multilateralism in the four maritime basins of the Baltic, Black, Caspian and Mediterranean Seas?
Created by MikeBeckett (talk). Self nom at 06:09, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Doesn't appear to contain any third-party sources attesting notability. It's possible that it's notable enough to have an article, for which reason I'm refraining from nominating it for AfD, but it cannot appear on the Main Page in its current state. It also really needs cleanup. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:10, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Will you take a second look? User:MikeBeckett -> User talk:MikeBeckett Please say 'Hi' 17:43, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 16
Free Press (organization)
- ... that with its membership of more than 500,000 activists, Free Press is the largest media reform organization in the United States?
Created by WilsonComm (talk), Mediaphyte (talk), Banksbr2 (talk), Mcclel71 (talk), and Jaobar (talk). Self nom at 19:28, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- It is not 5x expanded. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 19:33, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Oh yes it is! Our class began working on this article in April 2011, when it was barely 2,000 bytes. It is now over 20,000! That's 10 times expanded in one month. Can we get some reviews please!?! Jaobar (talk) 20:28, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Leszek is right, the article hasn't been 5x expanded in the last five days so it isn't eligible. BigDom 20:33, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Some get angry and revert when newbies "dump" large amounts of information from their sandboxes into a stub, and now our students are out of the running for DYK because they took their time. What a system. Jaobar (talk) 02:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- I agree with the professor, Jaobar. I've never seriously invoked WP:IAR before, but I think it's appropriate to do so in this case. I have no connection with this article or with any of the people who've worked on it, btw. Is anyone else also willing to IAR? I won't mark it "good to go", since that could be viewed as unilateral and provocative, but if one or two other uninvolved editors agree, I'd say we could reasonably mark it so. Additional comment, please? – OhioStandard (talk) 05:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- C'mon, let's welcome some newcomers. We can always bite 'em later. – OhioStandard (talk) 16:26, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- But DYK isn't really about expanded articles; the template even says "from Wikipedia's newest articles". You've still improved the encyclopaedia and surely that is more important than saying you've had a DYK? BigDom 16:32, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- C'mon, let's welcome some newcomers. We can always bite 'em later. – OhioStandard (talk) 16:26, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- I've not been involved with this article or its creators in any way; I don't even know any of them. I just think it has to be pretty discouraging to a class of college students who'd like to see their work get some attention when they find they missed out because their prof didn't quite know all the rules. It seems to me like a pretty small courtesy to extend to a group of newcomers, so as not to make their experience with Wikipedia a disappointing one. And besides, we really can bite 'em later. If we discourage them now, we'll probably lose them, and thus lose that future opportunity. ;-) Seriously, can we please give these kids this small break? – OhioStandard (talk) 17:24, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- "give these kids this small break?" I don't mind, but the prof did not even credit his kids by listing them as contributors in the DYK nomination. We don't know the exact start date of the expansion. Its hard to assume everyone listed in the edit history is his students and give them all {DYKmake}. --PFHLai (talk) 23:46, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- I've not been involved with this article or its creators in any way; I don't even know any of them. I just think it has to be pretty discouraging to a class of college students who'd like to see their work get some attention when they find they missed out because their prof didn't quite know all the rules. It seems to me like a pretty small courtesy to extend to a group of newcomers, so as not to make their experience with Wikipedia a disappointing one. And besides, we really can bite 'em later. If we discourage them now, we'll probably lose them, and thus lose that future opportunity. ;-) Seriously, can we please give these kids this small break? – OhioStandard (talk) 17:24, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks, PFHLai, that's kind. I presume his not having done so is just the result of inexperience due to his only having begun participating on Wikipedia in mid January. Those who are very familiar with this process probably don't recognize how very complex it must seem to new users; I've been on WP for quite a while, and I didn't know, myself, that more than one person could be credited for a DYK. Would anyone mind if I asked him and/or his class' mentor back here to clarify? – OhioStandard (talk) 04:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- I wouldn't mind, and I don't see a clear reason to not IAR here. To answer BigDom above, one of the principal motivations mentioned in the ambassador program was the opportunity for an article written by themselves to go live on the main page to be viewed by thousands of readers. That's why it is such a big deal. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:54, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you, Ed. I do think this is just the kind of situation IAR was put in place for. Based on your having no objection, and on no one else having objected, I did go ahead and re-invite the professor to this thread, and also (in part because I see he's not been online since commenting above) two of the "campus ambassadors" that I see from his talk page have had involvement with his class. I'm not sure of either one of their roles, but perhaps they can clarify for us which of the contributors to the article deserve credit, should an IAR-based approval be allowed by consensus in this case. Thanks again, – OhioStandard (talk) 10:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- I would also say this is a case for IAR, for what it's worth. Pesky (talk …stalk!) 10:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you, Ohio. Let me know if there is any other way I can help. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:17, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Hello everyone. I really appreciate this discussion, and want to thank those that have called for the IAR move. I can tell you that MSU's involvement in the USPPI this spring semester has already received a lot of attention from the College of Communications as well as the campus newspaper. We have just put out a press release that will hopefully get our team some much deserved recognition. Our 5 DYKs are prominently displayed in the press release, and those students that have been recognized have a lot to be proud of. With this in mind, I would fully support the IAR move, I know that this form of positive feedback will only serve to motivate our students, and will hopefully provide an additional incentive to become Wikipedians. Oh, and I didn't mention the students involved because I didn't realize that I was supposed to. I too am a newbie. The hundreds of articles that our students contributed to can be viewed on our course page. Those involved with the Free Press (organization) article are noted there as well. I'll note their names here for those without the time to check the page: WilsonComm, Mediaphyte, Banksbr2, and Mcclel71. Thanks again! Jaobar (talk) 02:19, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks. We now have four independent users (myself among them) who are willing to WP:IAR in this case, to let this nom go forward, but we still need to make sure the right contributors get credit. I've asked user Neelix, the relevant "mentor" for the group that worked on this article, to accomplish that, since I don't know how to do it myself. Once that's done, I think it'd be fair to say we have consensus here to proceed. Thanks, all. – OhioStandard (talk) 06:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- I think this is the first time I've ever supported an IAR motion, but if there was ever a good reason, this is it. I have given the appropriate credit above, but I cannot mark this nomination as "good to go" because I have been involved in developing the article; an editor who has not edited the article has to be the one to make the official call. Neelix (talk) 14:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- In reviewing the hook above, I do not see justification for employing the words "and most prominent." While the article claims that the organization is the most prominent, the source quoted does not make that claim. Prominence is subjective anyway; it is enough of a hook to state that Free Press is the largest media reform organization in the United States. Neelix (talk) 15:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed. I will change the language right now. Jaobar (talk) 16:42, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Note: Article is tagged as being written like an advertisement. Yoninah (talk) 17:26, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed. I will change the language right now. Jaobar (talk) 16:42, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- In reviewing the hook above, I do not see justification for employing the words "and most prominent." While the article claims that the organization is the most prominent, the source quoted does not make that claim. Prominence is subjective anyway; it is enough of a hook to state that Free Press is the largest media reform organization in the United States. Neelix (talk) 15:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, thanks for pointing that out, Yoninah. OCNative introduced the tag without commenting here, or on the article's talk page, to identify any specific, actionable concern. I've asked him, at article talk, to do so. I've also brought up a few other minor issues there that I'd like to see addressed, myself, before this proceeds. – OhioStandard (talk) 17:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- (I am one of the Ambassadors contacted) I agree that this should move forward using IAR after the concerns on the talk page are met. I would ignore the drive-by-tagging if no explanation for the tag is given in the next few days. I will see what I can do to help sort out this article --Guerillero | My Talk 19:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Though I thought the ad tone was self-evident, I guess I was mistaken, as others do not see it, so I have provided the requested explanation for the tag at Talk:Free Press (organization)#Advert tag. OCNative (talk) 02:59, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Just a quick note of thanks to OCNative for pointing out the specific problems he's now very helpfully identified on talk. Based on his having done so, I think the participants should be able to both improve the article considerably and also deal with the issues he rightly identifies, to at least a "good enough to go forward" level, in fairly short order. – OhioStandard (talk) 11:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Though I thought the ad tone was self-evident, I guess I was mistaken, as others do not see it, so I have provided the requested explanation for the tag at Talk:Free Press (organization)#Advert tag. OCNative (talk) 02:59, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- (I am one of the Ambassadors contacted) I agree that this should move forward using IAR after the concerns on the talk page are met. I would ignore the drive-by-tagging if no explanation for the tag is given in the next few days. I will see what I can do to help sort out this article --Guerillero | My Talk 19:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Tessaratomidae
- ... that some species of giant stink bugs (pictured) are edible?
Created by Obsidian Soul (talk). Self nom at 06:01, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Article size, newness (moved to main space on 16 May), hook length and ref all check out. Looks good to go. Btw, an image picturing a single specimen would probably be a better choice, this one looks like a pile of leaves and does not tempt the reader to click on it. Just a thought. Timbouctou (talk) 14:23, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- Agree, unfortunately we don't have an image of a single specimen of Encosternum delegorguei, the edible stink bug mainly discussed in the article. I have cropped that image from a bigger donated pic to show the actual bugs. We do have several pictures of another edible species, but they're only treated to a couple of sentences in the article at most. Best of them are the ones above. Take your pick if you think they are better. I'm leaning towards the one to the right. There are also much more colorful images of other tessaratomids (all pictures available here Commons:Category:Tessaratomidae), but they're not edible. What do you think?-- Obsidi♠nSoul 18:39, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- Well the article is about the whole Tessaratomidae family so putting in a picture of an inedible species is alright. The final choice is up to you. If you insist on picturing an edible species I'd go with Tessaratoma papillosa (above right). But the adult Pycanum rubens (pictured right) looks too good not to use :) It's bound to make readers curious and that's what we are aiming for. Timbouctou (talk) 19:44, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- Heh, true enough the (pictured) notice does follow 'giant stink bugs' rather than 'some species'. Replaced pic. Cheers and thanks. :) -- Obsidi♠nSoul 21:14, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
- For reference, these were the pictures we were choosing from (turned to links to not be too disruptive to neighboring DYK's):
- Original pic:
Articles created/expanded on May 17
Salter's duck
- ... that Salter's duck is pear-shaped, has a jointed spine, and is made of metal?
Created by Silver seren (talk). Self nom at 08:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed Augustyn Träger. SilverserenC 09:06, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
and nice hook. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 22:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Returned from preps. Nice hook, but obviously misleading, written for 1 April. Can't feature that on a regular day. Materialscientist (talk) 00:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Fine. I wanted it to be something that people would be intrigued about and click on, but alright. SilverserenC 01:09, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
(ALT) ... that Salter's duck is one of the first wave-powered generators ever made and works by use of gyroscopes?
- That better? SilverserenC 01:09, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Doesn't seem correct, per Wave_power#History. Materialscientist (talk) 01:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
(ALT2) ... that Salter's duck is a wave-powered generator that utilizes gyroscopes to convert up to almost 90% of wave power into electricity?
- I would drop "almost" from ALT2 (which is Ok). Could you please fix the lead of the article for the claim of "one of the earliest"? Materialscientist (talk) 03:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Clarified the lede instead of removing it. SilverserenC 05:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe we should just run this with original hook on April 1. OCNative (talk) 07:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm... personally, I think it's a little early. I don't think that the original hook is too misleading, but then again I have made some controversial suggestions before. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:38, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Cambriae Typus
- ... that the Cambriae Typus shows a sea monster in the Irish Sea?
Created by FruitMonkey (talk). Self nom at 20:43, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Oil on Ice
Hook, length, date check out. Reworded some text slightly to avoid close paraphrasing. The two offline sources taken on good faith. Interesting article.Volunteer Marek (talk) 04:23, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Road Trip (Parks and Recreation)
- ... that actress Rashida Jones looks very good dressed like a prostitute, according to the episode "Road Trip"?
Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 05:39, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Kegasus [8] — Hunter Kahn 05:42, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- This hook is a bit outside the box, I know, but I figure it will attract readers. :) — Hunter Kahn 05:42, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Kegasus [8] — Hunter Kahn 05:42, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Amphitheatre of Serdica
- ... that the large Ancient Roman Amphitheatre of Serdica (ruins shown) in central Sofia, Bulgaria, was accidentally discovered during construction works in the 2000s?
- Reviewed: Croatian National Theatre in Split
5x expanded by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 17:51, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Have reviewed: not sure the hook is entirely in the lede, and sources a little weighted towards the hotel (?RS?) and non-specialist travel guides (plus articles for which subscriptions are needed for verification), but basically looks good and v. interesting/significant as it's about a less well-known and understood area of the empire, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 21:54, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Hi and thanks for the review and improvements to the article! The Paunov article can be downloaded here, and you can verify the hook using Google Books. I recognise that the hotel website may not be a perfect source, so I'll be using the external link you've added in addition to a scholarly source in Bulgarian to back up its statements. One more thing: I noticed that the automatic DYK check does not verify the article as a 5x expansion: this is because there's a long copyvio version in the history. My expansion started from this: [9]. — Toдor Boжinov — 08:32, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Looks OK if you take into account the removal and place you started from..♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:08, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
First Peoples Buffalo Jump State Park
- ... that the bison bone bed at First Peoples Buffalo Jump State Park (bison depicted) in Montana is 13 feet (4.0 m) deep?
Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 14:08, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Joan Martorell
Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 06:32, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
José Zabala-Santos
- ... that José Zabala-Santos is one of the respected names in the Philippine cartoon and comics industry?
Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 00:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed by User:Jeanne boleyn. Everything seems to check out. Reference backs up the hook.
Length and date are fine, and the hook checks out. However, the references need to be significantly cleaned up for this article to be featured on the Wikipedia home page. Also, one of the references (Ref #3) is simply a copied/pasted version of Ref #2, meaning it's essentially a mirror website. Mirror sites are not original and therefore cannot be used as sources. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:11, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Tidied refs. Also removed mirror ref. - AnakngAraw (talk) 15:50, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Issues resolved. Jrcla2 (talk) 19:16, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the go-signal here. I am just adding note that I reviewed the article: Return (2011) - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:10, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- (Updated wikilink from Return (film) to Return (2011))--Lexein (talk) 12:50, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Ghanaian Optician
- ... that opticians in Ghana are trained at the Optical Technician Training Institute (OTTI) at Oyoko?
Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 14:47, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed British Film Institute Fellowship [[10]]
Article contains no reliable sources, doesn't contain 1500 characters once you remove the lead which is plagiarized from Optician, and is proposed to merge to Eyecare in Ghana anyway. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:06, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Ramone Moore
- ... that Temple basketball player Ramone Moore was suspended in his freshman year for failing to meet school eligibility rules?
- Reviewed: Daily Times of Nigeria
Created by Editorofthewiki (talk). Self nom at 00:46, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Only 2x expansion within last 5 days.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:30, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Note: move to mainspace date. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 00:46, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
New article, created in user space on May 9 and moved to article space on May 17. Other criteria such as size and hook ref also check out. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Is this hook not too negative per H6? —Bruce1eetalk 08:21, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Robin Turner (footballer)
- ... that Robin David Turner played as a forward in The Football League for Colchester United?
Created by Jasonakagary88 (talk). Nominated by MauchoEagle (talk) at 00:27, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed #Crossopriza lyoni. mauchoeagle (c) 00:30, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Article at Prose size (text only): 270 characters (42 words) "readable prose size" is way to small for DKY.Jim Sweeney (talk) 10:23, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Yup. Nominator may not be aware that infobox text doesn't count towards the total, though it doesn't look like it would pass anyway (perhaps nom was including the characters in the editing box rather than in the article as it appears). Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:59, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- If someone brings this up to 1,500 characters in the future, they could renominate it as a 5x expansion since 1,500 characters is actually more than a 5x expansion for this article. OCNative (talk) 06:45, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- Yup. Nominator may not be aware that infobox text doesn't count towards the total, though it doesn't look like it would pass anyway (perhaps nom was including the characters in the editing box rather than in the article as it appears). Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:59, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
British Film Institute Fellowship
- ... that French actress Isabelle Huppert (pictured) is the most recent recipient of the British Film Institute Fellowship award?
Created by The Rambling Man (talk). Self nom at 12:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Zoo City here. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Tweaked the hook a little (added (pictured). Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:30, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Date, size and hook are all as required for DYK status. Good to go. CrossTempleJay talk 14:43, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 18
Law of Hlothhere and Eadric
- ... that the late 7th-century Kentish law code, the Law of Hlothhere and Eadric, has no provisions regarding the church??
Created by Deacon of Pndapetzim (talk). Self nom at 03:17, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
184 38th Street
- ... that the log house at 184 38th Street (pictured) in the Lawrenceville neighborhood of Pittsburgh may be the oldest log house in any major American city that continues to be used as a residence?
Created by GrapedApe (talk), Leepaxton (talk). Self nom at 20:59, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Date, length OK. I verified the hook and changed the wording here and in the article to reflect that. The last paragraph in the article has no sources; please add them and it will be ready to approve. Also, please review another hook per DYK nominating rules. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:37, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Fixed the last paragraph. --GrapedApe (talk) 03:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Olek--GrapedApe (talk) 03:35, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 11:14, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Glossary of association football terms
- ... that an away team's travelling army is often referred to as its 12th man (pictured)?
Created by WFCforLife (talk), The Rambling Man (talk),Timbouctou (talk), JonBroxton (talk), 03md (talk), Brad78 (talk), Argyle 4 Life (talk), BigDom (talk), Feroang (talk), Egghead06 (talk) and Dweller (talk). Self nom at 05:06, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Tell Halula.
For your convenience, if there are any issues with this nom, please direct the notification to the article's talk page, rather than attempting to contact all of us. However major or minor the concern, I'm certain that there is nothing that this team cannot overcome, as evidenced by the development of the article from here over the last 3 and a half days. Thank you for your time. Regards, —WFC— 05:06, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Hook itself checks out. Only issue is that the image supplied is not in the article, nor is it referred to with a (pictured) tag in the hook. Will leave a note on the talk page of the article. Miyagawa (talk) 12:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- How's about if we switch it for File:Lechia Gdansk & Wisla Krakow.jpg which is in the article and represents some rather ardent fans? The Rambling Man (talk) 16:10, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- That'd work. :) Miyagawa (talk) 18:14, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, that picture is fantastic! It even looks like an army attacking. :P OCNative (talk) 03:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Definitely the one The Rambling Man suggested. —WFC— 05:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Done the old switcheroo. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:34, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Zygmunt Wojciechowski
- ... that Polish historian Zygmunt Wojciechowski headed the Polish Underground State's Science Section and took part in the underground education system during World War II?
5x expanded by User:MyMoloboaccount and User:HerkusMonte. Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 17:03, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1:... that Polish historian Zygmunt Wojciechowski, who headed the Polish Underground State's Science Section, initially admired Hitler's anti-Jewish policy as a good example for Poland?
- would be a more catchy hook. HerkusMonte (talk) 17:58, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- I am not sure about it. Let's keep POV-pushing out of the hook and go for a more neutral one. I think that his WWII activities are quite interesting, less controversial and less susceptible to POV pushing. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 06:26, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- That a Polish scholar was active in the Polish underground in WW II is not surprising and not at all catchy. On the other hand "Hitler sells" and I'm sure the article will receive much more attention with the ALT hook. The hook is sourced with an easily accessible online english-language ref and the fact is not disputed. I don't see a POV problem except if WP:IDONTLIKEIT would be considered a sufficient reason. HerkusMonte (talk) 09:11, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Hitlers sells, but we are an encyclopedia, not a tabloid. Picking the most controversial aspect of a scholar to feature, when one is also trying to discredit this scholar in other discussions, is a bit too close for POV-pushing here. Again, I believe we should go with a neutral hook, I think it is interesting enough. Not too mention that the hook you would propose is a misrepresentation (see Molobo's comment below). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- A hook should be "short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article". That’s what we should discuss, without assuming bad faith and making speculative accusations (“..also trying to discredit this scholar in other discussions ...” What? Who? Where?). ALT1 is almost verbatim from the source and not a "misrepresentation". HerkusMonte (talk) 06:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Hitlers sells, but we are an encyclopedia, not a tabloid. Picking the most controversial aspect of a scholar to feature, when one is also trying to discredit this scholar in other discussions, is a bit too close for POV-pushing here. Again, I believe we should go with a neutral hook, I think it is interesting enough. Not too mention that the hook you would propose is a misrepresentation (see Molobo's comment below). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- That a Polish scholar was active in the Polish underground in WW II is not surprising and not at all catchy. On the other hand "Hitler sells" and I'm sure the article will receive much more attention with the ALT hook. The hook is sourced with an easily accessible online english-language ref and the fact is not disputed. I don't see a POV problem except if WP:IDONTLIKEIT would be considered a sufficient reason. HerkusMonte (talk) 09:11, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- I am not sure about it. Let's keep POV-pushing out of the hook and go for a more neutral one. I think that his WWII activities are quite interesting, less controversial and less susceptible to POV pushing. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 06:26, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose Herkus version and support Piotrus-this seems to be POV pushing to portray(wrongly) Wojciechowski as supporter of Hitler. In reality he made his comments in 1935 and clearly stated that he believed that as Austrian Catholic Hitler would break with Prussian antipolonism-he later criticised Hitler and didn't support him, in addition to condemning murder of Jews by Germany as monstrous--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 12:05, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- “Initially” clearly indicates that his view changed later on. BTW, the "Anschluss" of Austria and the Munich Agreement happened in 1938, his admiration lastet at least til autumn 1938 (not 1935). Actually whitewashing and downplaying is some kind of POV too. HerkusMonte (talk) 06:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Grammatical quibble: whichever hook is picked, it should be "the Polish Underground State's Science Section". — Kpalion(talk) 20:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks, I have added a "the". HerkusMonte (talk) 06:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Oh please, ALT1 by Herkus is an obviously POV, battleground-y hook, particularly since the subject of the article soon changed his mind. A hook shouldn't be about the most negative thing that could be dug up on a person, whether dead or alive, simply because one doesn't like the historical research he later produced.Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Kenkoy
- ... that Kenkoy was a Philippine comics character described by the UP Diksiyonaryong Filipino as a funny and amusing personality created in 1929?
Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 22:28, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed the article: The Dog Pillow - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:52, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
References need filling out properly and could use some more reliable sources. The hook doesn't seem worthy to me, maybe reword it to refer to the true meaning of the word.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- ALT 1: ... that Kenkoy was a Philippine comics character whose name became synonymous to the words joker, jester, or a hilarious person? - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:29, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- ALT 2: ... that Kenkoy was created by Tony Velasquez, a Filipino cartoonist who is regarded both as the father of Tagalog comics and the Philippine comics industry? - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:50, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- ALT 3: ... that Kenkoy was created by Tony Velasquez, a Filipino cartoonist who is regarded as the father of Tagalog-language comics? - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:54, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- ALT 4: ... that Kenkoy was created by Tony Velasquez, a Filipino cartoonist who is regarded as the founding father of the Philippine comics industry? - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:54, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
I like ALT1.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:26, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
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Returned from preps per referencing problems expressed here. Materialscientist (talk) 01:13, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Shamrock Warriors RFC
- ... that Shamrock Warriors RFC aim is to develop rugby sevens in Ireland and become the foundation for a national sevens side (pictured)?
Created by GainLine (talk). Self nom at 15:56, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Longmen Grottoes
An aim of a club is not a great DYK, it's not a fact. Even the article citing it pours cold water on the initiative. There appears (IMO) too much of what is hoped for in the future rather than what is happening. Is there a fact that is provable? FruitMonkey (talk) 22:34, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Howabout? ALT1... that former Leinster rugby and Scotland coach Matt Williams is a technical adviser to Irish rugby sevens team Shamrock Warriors RFC? G
ainLine ♠ ♥ 10:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)Much clearer hook. Date, size, and cites all work out. Good to go. Cheers FruitMonkey (talk) 17:23, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Billy Schaeffer
- ... that as a senior in 1972–73, St. John's University basketball standout Billy Schaeffer averaged a school record 24.7 points per game en route to winning the Haggerty Award?
- Reviewed: José Zabala-Santos
Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 13:20, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm probably just missing it, but I'm not seeing the 24.7 points per game figure in this source? I see Scheffer listed under the "Frank C. Haggerty Award" listing and the "St. John's Hall of Fame" listing, but not that figure? — Hunter Kahn 05:34, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- My fault, you weren't missing anything. I thought the source i used was a different one than was actually in the article. I've added the correct reference at the end of that sentence now. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
All good now. Thanks! — Hunter Kahn 13:25, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- My fault, you weren't missing anything. I thought the source i used was a different one than was actually in the article. I've added the correct reference at the end of that sentence now. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:10, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
List of human diseases associated with infectious pathogens
- ... that diseases such as obesity, Alzheimer's, and cancer have been associated with infectious pathogens (Toxoplasma gandii pictured)?
Created by Drgao (talk). Nominated by Crisco 1492 (talk) at 12:29, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Initial review looks good. I think you are supposed to have the picture (Toxoplasma gandii) in the article as well as with the DYK, especially to show that it has appropriate rights associated with it.Parkwells (talk) 21:09, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Formicium (diff) - Crisco 1492
- Fixed that. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:33, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Article has been deleted. Schwede66 18:35, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
It's been restored, but with an AfD. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:43, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Geograpsus severnsi
- ... that Geograpsus severnsi is the first crab species known to have gone extinct in historical times?
Created by Stemonitis (talk). Self nom at 06:42, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
. Lenght and date check out. Hook is in main body & I verified it in the cite. --Errant (chat!) 12:36, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Joan Martorell
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Sagrada_Familia_02.jpg/100px-Sagrada_Familia_02.jpg)
- ... that Modernisme architect Joan Martorell headed the committee that in 1883 selected Antoni Gaudí to complete the still-unfinished Sagrada Familia (2009 picture shown)?
- Reviewed: Columbia Club (diff)
Created by Cmprince (talk). Self nom at 04:03, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Unfortunately, this article is not new. And it is not a five-fold expansion from the last major update on March 15, 2011. - Tim1965 (talk) 14:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, the article is new. It was moved from the userspace sandbox on May 17. PhantomPlugger (talk) 14:07, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Being moved from userspace on a certain date is what we are looking for here. Length and date moved from userspace is good, assuming good faith on the offline reference. The history section seems to indicate the history in the sandbox. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:14, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Agreed! It's good to go. (I musta had temporary blindness about that "moving from userspace" edit comment.) Article length, hook length, and timeliness of submission check out. Offline cite AFG. - Tim1965 (talk) 17:28, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Columbia Club
- ... that Hoosier Group artist T.C. Steele sometimes paid his Columbia Club (pictured) membership dues in paintings?
- Reviewed: Booker T. Washington High School (Memphis, Tennessee)
- Comment: Moved into mainspace May 18 UTC.
Created by PhantomPlugger (talk). Self nom at 03:38, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1: "... that the Columbia Club (pictured) has hosted every Republican president while in office or campaigning since Benjamin Harrison in 1888?"
- Which is better? PhantomPlugger (talk) 03:38, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Hook, length and article age all check out. I always wondered what this building was. The ALT seems a little "hookier" to me. Cmprince (talk) 04:09, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Now you know! The interior of the building is equally, if not more, impressive. Quite a gem. PhantomPlugger (talk) 04:19, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Current nominations
Articles created/expanded on May 19
Abdullah Rimawi
- ... that Abdullah Rimawi, one of the founders of the Ba'ath Party in Jordan, became its secretary-general in 1952?
Created by Al Ameer son (talk). Self nom at 04:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Giuseppe Bastianini
- ... that the Fasci Italiani all'Estero, the fascist movement for Italian expatriates, which was led by Giuseppe Bastianini, claimed to have groups in over 40 countries in 1925 ?
Created by Keresaspa (talk). Nominated by Carabinieri (talk) at 21:24, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Georg Dörffel
- ... that Georg Dörffel was a ground attack pilot but was killed in combat against four-engined bombers?
5x expanded by MisterBee1966 (talk), DocYako (talk). Self nom at 18:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: New Zealand WWII pilots. MisterBee1966 (talk) 18:15, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
All checks out. Offline ref taken in good faith. Miyagawa (talk) 18:17, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Gaultheria hispidula
- ... that the creeping snowberry (pictured) is threatened by introduced vines such as winter creeper and English ivy in North America?
Created by Casliber (talk), Jgreeter (talk). Self nom at 21:40, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Length and date are fine (created on 18th May but near enough), i've added (pictured) to the hook, but there is no citation for the hook's fact and nominator hasn't reviewed an article - Basement12 (T.C) 22:56, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Damn, I didn't begin the article and I can't find the bit to cite (I don't have the book listed). Okay, I will rewrite another hook below (and review something posthaste). Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:51, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- NB: reviewed Bayside Church (Sacramento region)
- ALT... that the creeping snowberry (pictured) is assisted by solitary bees, bumblebees, bee-flies, hoverflies, chipmunks and deer mice in reproduction in its native environment?
tweaked the hook slightly, there was a random and in the middle of the list, but good to go with the ALT - Basement12 (T.C) 12:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
1994-95 South Pacific cyclone season
- ... that the 1994–95 South Pacific cyclone season was one of the quietest cyclone seasons on record, with only 3 tropical cyclones recorded within the South Pacific Ocean basin?
Created by User:Jason Rees (talk). Self nom at 13:14, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed this one.
New article, great length, but your hook seems incorrect, as per your refs [1] and [2] in the article there were four, not three, in that season (listed as Vania, William, Violet, Agnes). Please reconcile. AshLin (talk) 20:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- According to the Australian Bureau of Meteorology Cyclone Agnes never moved into the South Pacific Basin, which is defined as 160E -120W per the WMO. The references seem to show TC's within the region 140E-120W.Jason Rees (talk) 21:39, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- While I don't quite understand the exact details, the ref you have now given specifically states that Agnes "was the last cyclone to form in the South Pacific region in the 1994-95 season". Since this is in direct contradiction to what you claim, please clarify once again. AshLin (talk) 14:14, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Its not in direct contradiction to what i claim as South Pacific region could be defined as anywhere within the South Pacific Ocean, where as the South Pacific Basin is to the west of 160E. TC Agnes occurred near 147E as illustrated by the map in at the bottom of the report i linked to above.Jason Rees (talk) 23:24, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Jason, part of the problem remains the ambiguous definition of South Pacific in the context of your article. There is no hyperlinking of "South Pacific" or "South Pacific basin" in the lead, nor a section which makes it clear in the ensuing text. I recommend you define the limits in the article and give the alternative definitions and mention the one being used in the article. One of the things a person who is interested by your proposed hook will do will be to look up what constitutes the South Pacific. Also since your refs mention four whereas you take only 3 into account, please provide footnotes (as opposed to citations, explaining why only 3 cyclones are considered and not 4 as you explained above). The same type of clarification of what constitutes the South Pacific is required for the "List of of South Pacific cyclone seasons" as well as more complete inline referencing. AshLin (talk) 04:25, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
2011 British super-injunction controversy
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/94/Giggs_PL_trophy.jpg/100px-Giggs_PL_trophy.jpg)
- ... that as a result of the 2011 British super-injunction controversy, Ryan Giggs (pictured) is attempting to take legal action against Twitter?
Created by Bennydigital (talk). Self nom at 12:47, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
My understanding is that the footballer is not taking legal action against twitter, he or she is just trying to get them to disclose the name of the user who posted his or hers name on Twitter per this BBC News article.Jason Rees (talk) 13:49, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- The legal firm representing him have applied for a search order to compel Twitter to give the details of the user who released the details, which I believe would be defined as legal action against Twitter, admittedly in a rather unexiting manner! Benny Digital Speak Your Brains 08:09, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Dhondup Wangchen
Bayside Church (Sacramento region)
- ... that Bayside Church held its 2011 Easter services at the Power Balance Pavilion (formerly Arco Arena), attracting nearly 17,000 people?
Created by Starstriker7 (talk). Self nom at 01:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
date, size and hook check out. I wonder if the restaurant/fundraiser makes a more interesting hook though - not too fussed either way. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:54, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Smålandsstövare --Starstriker7(Talk) 01:39, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
List of Atlanta Braves team records
![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Hank_Aaron_1978.jpg/100px-Hank_Aaron_1978.jpg)
- ... that Hank Aaron (pictured) holds ten Atlanta Braves team records?
5x expanded by Albacore (talk). Self nom at 00:38, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- New nominator, first hook. Albacore (talk) 00:47, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
1479 bytes of prose (list elements do not count toward DYK); doesn't quite meet the mark. Not sure about the expansion time too; since May 13, it has been expanded from 0 bytes (only a hatnote and a list at this point) to 1479 bytes, but from May 14 to May 19 (the nom date), it went from 610 to 1479, which is approx 2.5x. — KV5 • Talk • 02:38, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Prose checks out with User:Shubinator/DYKcheck. One day over is a problem, can Wikipedia:Did you know/Additional rules D9 apply here? Albacore (talk) 19:53, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- DYKcheck fails to exclude non-sentences above each tables. The prose at the top of the wikipage that counts needs a few sentences to reach the "1500 characters" requirement. Being one day late is no big deal, but the "at least 1 footnote per paragraph" rule should not be ignored. Please add a few sentences of prose while putting in the refs. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 00:49, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Fixed Fixed, prose checks out, one footnote per paragraph. Albacore (talk) 13:33, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- DYKcheck fails to exclude non-sentences above each tables. The prose at the top of the wikipage that counts needs a few sentences to reach the "1500 characters" requirement. Being one day late is no big deal, but the "at least 1 footnote per paragraph" rule should not be ignored. Please add a few sentences of prose while putting in the refs. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 00:49, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Hal Santiago
- ... that Filipino comics illustrator Harold "Hal" Santiago took his nom de plume from his American idol Hal Foster, the creator of Prince Valiant?
Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 22:39, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Hook, newness, and length check out. However, the ref appears to be linked to a blog off of WordPress. Can a new ref be found? --Starstriker7(Talk) 02:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed the article: National Service Secretariat (Ghana) - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:22, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- Supplied the main offline ref details. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:53, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
The bulk of the article is based on 2 blog references. I supplied a list of other, reliable sources that may be used to build it up a little. More information about him can probably be found in Filipino-language publications. Yoninah (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Smålandsstövare
- ... that only around sixty Smålandsstövare (pictured) puppies a year are registered in its native Sweden?
- Reviewed: Cry Macho
5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 21:54, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Length, hook, and newness check out. The reference, however, does not seem to necessarily be published by a reputable third party source. Can it be replaced? --Starstriker7(Talk) 01:38, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- The site "Sarah's Dogs" has been identified as a reliable source in several dog breed related good articles. In fact it's one of the few websites along those lines that I trust. It does not accept user submitted information. Miyagawa (talk) 08:20, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thought I'd add an additional reference directly from the Swedish Kennel Club in order to make approving this hook easier for a reviewer and found that the figure of a hundred was out of date anyway. Updated the article with the new number of 60, with a citation from the club.Miyagawa (talk) 21:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Screaming Hairy Armadillo
- ... that the Screaming Hairy Armadillo (pictured) is hunted for its carapace which is used to make charangos, a South American lute?
- ALT1:... that sand may form 50% of the stomach contents of a Screaming Hairy Armadillo (pictured)?
- Reviewed: Dainton Connell
- Comment: Thanks to Casliber for nomination on DYK-redux and to Shyamal for coming up with a free image of historical significance to the article. AshLin (talk) 07:24, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
5x expanded by AshLin (talk), Shyamal (talk). Self nom at 07:24, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
(I found the sand-thing more interesting, but ok) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 > haneʼ 08:29, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- I have no issues, I could not make up my mind which is the more interesting hook to others. Please select any one as you please. AshLin (talk) 09:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- Either hook is ok - I initially liked the one mentioning charangos, but sand is cool too. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:00, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- I have no issues, I could not make up my mind which is the more interesting hook to others. Please select any one as you please. AshLin (talk) 09:14, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 20
Anarchism in Argentina
- ... that the Argentinian anarchist movement was the strongest anarchist movement in South America ?
Created by Carabinieri (talk). Self nom at 17:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Length and date (of move from userspace) fine. Offline ref taken in good faith. Nice to see the hook and ref so early on in the article! matt (talk) 21:49, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Neil Haddock and Robert Dickie and Floyd Havard
- ... that three Welsh boxers have won the British super-featherweight title, Neil Haddock, Robert Dickie and Floyd Havard?
5x expanded Robert Dickie by FruitMonkey (talk), New Articles Floyd Harvard and Neil Haddock FruitMonkey (talk) 23:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Shamrock Warriors RFC
- Reviewed: Cranmer Centre
- Reviewed: Christian Council of Ghana
Vermouth
5x expanded by Cla68 (talk). Self nom at 23:27, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Hook amd length fine. Interesting article. Quite informative. Good to go. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 09:59, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Returned from preps. The article is nice, but the hook is unclear to a lay person, who won't understand why martini and vermouth are related, why would someone want to use less vermouth, use for what, and less than what? Materialscientist (talk) 01:56, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- How about some alternate hooks?:
- ...that the name of "vermouth" comes from the German word Wermuth for wormwood?
- ...that vermouth was originally consumed as a medicinal drink, but is now popular as a cocktail ingredient?
- ...that vermouth is a key ingredient in several of the original, most famous cocktails of all time, including the martini and the Manhattan?
- ...that the term "Italian vermouths" usually mean red-colored, slightly sweet vermouths, while "French vermouths" are usually pictured as pale, dryer versions of the drink?
- ...that although the popularity of vermouth has declined in the United States and Great Britain, it is still often drunk by itself as an apéritif in France and Italy?
- ...that the Carpano family, one of the original producers of the modern version of vermouth in 1786, is still an important manufacturer of the drink?
- Cla68 (talk) 04:37, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- How about some alternate hooks?:
Kbal Spean
- ... that under the supervision of archaeologists, the graduates of Cambodia's Artisans d'Angkor have been able to reproduce some portions of Kbal Spean's (pictured) missing bas-relief carvings?
5x expanded by Nvvchar (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 20:32, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Juan Acevedo Pavez
5x expansion verified. Date, length OK. Offline hook ref AGF. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 00:15, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the fast review. I could add an img of the river stretch with carvings this morning now. if you can accept it.--Nvvchar. 00:57, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Image is fine. Yoninah (talk) 09:58, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Cranmer Centre
... that Peter Jackson's 1994 murder film Heavenly Creatures is based on two girls who went to school at what became the Cranmer Centre (pictured)?
- Reviewed: Fudai, Iwate (diff)
- Comment: Another Category I heritage building demolished in Christchurch.
Created by Rosiestep (talk), Schwede66 (talk). Self nom at 19:51, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Date, length and cite all hold out. But there is no cite to call it a "murder film". I'm sure Jackson himself would not classify it as such, or even a crime film. Can't it just be film? FruitMonkey (talk) 22:50, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Peter Jackson's 1994 film Heavenly Creatures is based on the Parker–Hulme murder case involving two New Zealand girls who went to school at what became the Cranmer Centre (pictured)?
- ALT1 is clearly better - thanks! Have struck out the original hook for clarity. Schwede66 01:42, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- I also prefer ALT1. Also forgot to state that there appears to be no issue with the image either. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
The Cámpora
- ... that the Argentine The Cámpora political youth organization is named after Héctor José Cámpora (pictured)?
Created by Cambalachero (talk). Self nom at 13:58, 22 May 2011 (UTC) review: Voltar (comics)
Given that you have more than five DYKs under your belt, what other nomination did you review? Alt text and caption are missing for the photo. The article is long enough and new, but I haven't even read it yet or looked to check the hook fact. Schwede66 01:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Done, I forgot what did I review, so I made a new review. As for the image, someone else added it, but I don't agree with it: the article is about the organization, not the man, and the image may be misleading. The image available about the organization works as an article main image, but would be hard to understand it in the lower size and general context of the main page, so it isn't good either. I removed the image from the hook Cambalachero (talk) 03:00, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Seated Liberty dollar
- ... that, due to the California gold rush, the Seated Liberty dollar became scarce in American commerce in the early 1850s, only to cause complaints due to a surplus of the coins by the end of the decade?
- Reviewed: Drymoreomys
5x expanded by RHM22 (talk). Self nom at 19:57, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Will June
- ... that Will June, grandfather of a National Football League Pro Bowler and Super Bowl champion linebacker, set a United States Bowling Congress record as the oldest player to bowl consecutive 300-games?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 03:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- reviewed: Walter Kuhn--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- I don't see the need for the middle part ("grandfather ... linebacker"). It distracts from the main subject of the hook. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:58, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- That is the part that will get the clickthroughs. Without that part, he is not even notable enough to have a WP article. He would just be a non-notable person who is the subject of a one-time event. Without that no one will even click through and it will have less than 1000 clickthroughs. NFL fans will want to find out who is his grandson and clickthrough with the proposed hook.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- ...then why is he notable? I mean, have you seen WP:ONEEVENT or WP:NOTINHERITED...? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:21, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- The combination of modest event notability and inherited notability. He would not inherit notability as a grandfather without the bowling and the bowling would be a ONEEVENT issue if he did not have notable family. The combination makes him notable. If you want, we can suspend this and go to AFD, but I think it would pass despite modest WP:GNG. I do not think he would truly pass notability independently, but I do believe that being a grandfather makes him slightly more notable in a way that makes him passable. I think the grandfather relation makes the "degree of significance of the individual's role" (see ONEEVENT) more notable.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:11, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- ...then why is he notable? I mean, have you seen WP:ONEEVENT or WP:NOTINHERITED...? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:21, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- That is the part that will get the clickthroughs. Without that part, he is not even notable enough to have a WP article. He would just be a non-notable person who is the subject of a one-time event. Without that no one will even click through and it will have less than 1000 clickthroughs. NFL fans will want to find out who is his grandson and clickthrough with the proposed hook.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
American Motor League
![American Motor League membership card issued to Charles Brady King in 1905](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/American_Motor_League_1905_card.jpg/100px-American_Motor_League_1905_card.jpg)
- ... that the American Motor League (membership card pictured) was the first automobile organization formed in the United States?
- I Reviewed HMS Princess Irene.--Doug Coldwell talk 11:50, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 23:18, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Date and length are good, AGF for offline ref. I think the (membership card pictured) should go directly after the name of the DYK article in this case? - Basement12 (T.C) 17:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Moved (membership card pictured) to directly after the name of the DYK article. Looks good!--Doug Coldwell talk 18:53, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Hôtel Ritz Paris
![Hôtel Ritz Paris](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/H%C3%B4tel_Ritz_Paris.jpg/100px-H%C3%B4tel_Ritz_Paris.jpg)
... that Edward VII reportedly once got stuck in a too-narrow bathtub with his lover Wallis at the Hôtel Ritz Paris (pictured) which led to them being enlarged?
5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 20:28, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- Am I the only one to read this as suggesting the Duke and Duchess of Windsor were enlarged? Ucucha 21:01, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- No; recommend s/led to them/led to the tubs/ Dualus (talk) 21:16, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
ALT1 "... that Edward VII and his lover Wallis reportedly once got stuck in a too-narrow bathtub at the Hôtel Ritz Paris (pictured), which led to the tubs being enlarged?"- Like this? Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:53, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- I'm rejecting both the original hook and ALT because Wallis was most certainly not Edward the Seventh's lover, considering she was 13 years old when Edward the Seventh died. Wallis was Edward the Eighth's lover, as it was Edward the Eighth who abdicated the throne for her and became Duke of Windsor. As the cited source (and all other sources I found via Google) does indeed say it was Edward the Seventh and his lover (without naming her), I have removed Wallis Simpson from the article and will suggest this ALT:
ALT2:... that Edward VII and his lover reportedly once got stuck in a too-narrow bathtub at the Hôtel Ritz Paris (pictured), which led to the tubs being enlarged? OCNative (talk) 02:57, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- I'm rejecting both the original hook and ALT because Wallis was most certainly not Edward the Seventh's lover, considering she was 13 years old when Edward the Seventh died. Wallis was Edward the Eighth's lover, as it was Edward the Eighth who abdicated the throne for her and became Duke of Windsor. As the cited source (and all other sources I found via Google) does indeed say it was Edward the Seventh and his lover (without naming her), I have removed Wallis Simpson from the article and will suggest this ALT:
- Like this? Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:53, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Princess Nora bint Abdul Rahman University
- ... that Princess Nora bint Abdul Rahman University is the world's largest, and Saudi Arabia's first, all-women university?
Created by Dualus (talk). Self nom at 14:49, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
good to go. unless listed in ITN (which I can't see)Dang! Was looking at it on an old/small screen with "page size" not enabled on an old version of IE...apologies... Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- It is timely, with the new campus opening less than a week ago, but I didn't think that was as newsworthy as that it's now the largest women's university. That fact seems to work better as a DYK. Dualus (talk) 00:09, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Prose is almost 500 characters too short to qualify. Please type in more. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 07:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Alberthiene Endah
- ... that Indonesian biographer Alberthiene Endah has called writing biographies similar to dating the subject?
Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 12:37, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Joan Martorell (diff). Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:37, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
The length (~2317 chars.) and date check out; I went ahead and cited the statement from which the hook is derived, so that's good too now. — AlekJDS talk 00:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Sofitel New York Hotel
![Sofitel New York Hotel](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/39/Sofitel_New_York1.jpg/100px-Sofitel_New_York1.jpg)
- ... that Sofitel New York Hotel (pictured) won the 2000 Emporis Skyscraper Award?
5x expanded by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 11:50, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Date, length, hook, and image are all fine. Good job, article is good to go once review is posted. Qrsdogg (talk) 20:25, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
1894–95 Small Heath F.C. season
- ... that a phantom goal awarded against Small Heath F.C. in the 1894–95 season led the Football League to instruct referees to inspect the goalnets before each match?
- ALT1:... that Small Heath F.C. dispensed with the services of team captain Caesar Jenkyns (pictured) during the 1894–95 season after he grabbed a spectator by the throat?
- Reviewed: WASP-43 ([12])
- Comment: Article moved from userspace to mainspace on 20 May. Hook 1 appears in November–December section, Alt1 appears in March–April section.
Created by Struway2 (talk). Self nom at 10:00, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Wow, very nice. Like the first hook better. — KV5 • Talk • 02:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- My vote is for first hook too. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
WASP-43
- ... that the orbit of WASP-43's one planet, which has the smallest orbit known amongst planets of its kind, has been attributed to the star's unusually low mass?
Created by Starstriker7 (talk). Self nom at 02:08, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Article length, date, hook length and reference all OK. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:23, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Utaawase
- ... that "it is shocking for anyone to write poetry without knowing Genji"?
- Reviewed: Longmen Grottoes here
Created by Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk). Self nom at 14:33, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Confirmed, very good piece. I've added quote marks to the hook and italicized Genji. Ucucha 20:58, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
San Pellegrino in Vaticano
- ... that San Pellegrino in Vaticano is a Vatican church named after a French saint and formerly used by the Swiss Guard?
- Reviewed: Alberthiene Endah ([13])
Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 00:41, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Alt1: ... that San Pellegrino in Vaticano (illustrated in 1834) is one of the oldest churches in the Vatican City? — AlekJDS talk 00:49, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
All checks out for Alt1. Moonraker2 (talk) 04:08, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Council of Ministers of West Bengal
- ... that apart from Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee, Sabitri Mitra is the only other woman in the 43-member strong Cabinet of West Bengal?
Created by GaneshBhakt (talk). Self nom at 14:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
[1] How can you say "the only other woman in the 43-member strong..." when your list has quite a few "TBC" slots? Any of these slots may end up being filled by women. [2] If the hook is to emphasize on Sabitri Mitra, then please have a bit more on her in her wikibio before this hook hits the MainPage. (Hint: Make this a double-DYK hook!) [3] Your refs need to be properly formatted and not include bare URLs. [4] Yahoo news is often unstable and the URL may expire soon. Please find the original news source, if you can. (Google news may help.) --PFHLai (talk) 02:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- @PFHLai: If you can suggest a better hook, please fill ALT 1 in... (GaneshBhakt (talk) 07:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC))
- ALT 1: ...that____________________________________________________________
Articles created/expanded on May 21
Rediculus
- Reviewed: The Prince and the Surfer ([14])
Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nom at 02:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Reid Blackburn
- ... that photographer Reid Blackburn, who was killed in the 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens, was only supposed to remain on the mountain until the day before the eruption?
5x expanded by Ceranthor (talk). Self nom at 15:13, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Length/date of expansion and ref all fine - Basement12 (T.C) 17:43, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Franciscan monastery of Saint Luke, Jajce
- ... that the skeleton of the last Bosnian king, Stephen Tomašević of Bosnia, currently lies in the Franciscan monastery of Saint Luke, Jajce?
Created by TheSilverArrow (talk). Self nom at 11:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Maybe because length is at 1,497 characters no spaces/1,791 characters with spaces. Hook seems fine. Since the refs are not in English, I need someone to reconfirm the ref. But I found the name Stjepana Tomaševića from Reference No. 4. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:43, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Well, I added some stuff to the article and now it has more than 1,500 without spaces, added a reference in English (Reference No. 5.). TheSilverArrow 13:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Filipino seamen
- ... that in 2010, Efthimios Mitropoulos, the secretary-general of the International Maritime Organization described Filipino seamen as the unsung heroes of an unsung industry?
Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 05:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Not reviewing, but I think this may need semiprotection if accepted. If not, this may end up being one of the most vandalized hook articles ever... Seamen ---> Semen Not to be spreading beans or anything. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:39, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Length, date and hook checks out. I would suggest shortening the hook to ... that Filipino Seamen have been described as the unsung heroes of an unsung industry? - Yk3 talk · contrib 05:47, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Crisco: Let's not jump the gun. - Yk3 talk · contrib 05:47, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- I wasn't planning on jumping the gun... just worried. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:02, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- It was a joke related to your concerns. - Yk3 talk · contrib 06:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Ah... to be honest I suspected you were making a double entendre (italics cued me in), but I wasn't sure what you were referring to. Could you let me know on my talk page? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:27, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- It was a joke related to your concerns. - Yk3 talk · contrib 06:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Can this be a double-nom? Bolded the biog topic above (Mitropoulos) to that effect. If not see suggested hook at Template talk:Did you know#Efthimios Mitropoulos (created on May 22, 2011). - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:14, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed the article: The Firm (U.S. TV series) - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:32, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Could use some photographs!♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Can't find any suitable images from commons. Anyone who can assist? - AnakngAraw (talk) 11:14, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Could use some photographs!♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Juan Acevedo Pavez
- ... that Juan Acevedo Pavez was elected regidor of San Bernardo, Chile in 1950 and simultaneously he held office as mayor of the same commune from 1952 until 1953?
Created by Diego Grez (talk). Self nom at 04:19, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: #Matt Langel Diego Grez (talk) 04:19, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Length, date, and hook's Spanish language refs verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:38, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Matt Langel
- ... that former Temple assistant basketball coach Matt Langel once drove almost ten hours to recruit a player?
- Reviewed: Citygarden
Created by Editorofthewiki (talk). Self nom at 04:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Seems fine. Diego Grez (talk) 04:19, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Note: move to mainspace date. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 04:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Grands Projets of François Mitterrand
- ... that the Grands Projets of François Mitterrand were commissioned in celebration of the 200th anniversary of the French Revolution?
Created by Rosiestep (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk), Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 02:32, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Robert W. Chandler
Length and date check out, AGF for book source - Basement12 (T.C) 12:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Sierra Leone Grammar School
- ... that Sierra Leone Grammar School started teaching Greek in 1845?
- Reviewed: Kalamata (olive)
Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nom at 01:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Date, length and hook all check out okay. Nice article, have added some wikiprojects to the discussion page. Paul Bedson ❉talk❉ 02:38, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
The Firm (U.S. TV series)
- ... that the 22-episode order of The Firm, which is a sequel to the 1991 novel and 1993 film of the same name, was the largest of any of NBC's newly picked up 2011–12 shows?
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 22:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: London Ferrill --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:39, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
*- AnakngAraw (talk) 22:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)- Could be but I can't find in the ref any that would connect to the phrase "the largest of any" from the hook.
- Ref says "larger order than any of the newly picked-up shows". What is the issue?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:59, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Ooops missed that. Seems ok now. - AnakngAraw (talk) 23:07, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Length at 1,340 characters no spaces/1,604 characters with spaces. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:49, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Since spaces count, that is passing.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Citygarden
- ... that the US$30 million development of Citygarden, an urban park and sculpture garden in St. Louis, Missouri, was funded solely by a local nonprofit organization?
Created by Fetchcomms (talk). Self nom at 22:37, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Salter's duck. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 22:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Everything checks out. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 04:05, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Salter's duck. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 22:44, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
John Azary
- ... that former Columbia Lions men's basketball coach Gordon Ridings "never saw a harder worker" than John Azary?
- Reviewed: Lou Raymond
Created by Jrcla2 (talk). Self nom at 22:26, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Kalamata (olive)
- ... that kalamata olives (pictured) are protected under the European Protected Geographical Status scheme?
5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 17:35, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Lorca. Credit to Casliber for suggesting the expansion. Miyagawa (talk) 17:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Puzzling that it stayed a stub so long, when Pork pie has such a long history. Good to go. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
MOA-2009-BLG-387L
- ... that a planet was discovered around the star MOA-2009-BLG-387L after it eclipsed a background star, refracting the star's light in a process called gravitational microlensing?
Created by Starstriker7 (talk). Self nom at 16:20, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Genevieve Foster --Starstriker7(Talk) 16:30, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- I left two "explain" templates in there for word choice. If that's taken care of, I think we're good to go. Interesting stuff, Starstriker--but when you start striking them stars, be careful--I hear they're hot and heavy. Drmies (talk) 16:46, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Kind sir, I believe you have yet to witness the true power of my fire-retardant epic gloves. Them stars know better than to pick a fight with the Glove Master. Unfortunately, those explain templates did not. --Starstriker7(Talk) 00:59, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Well played, striker. Epic gloves are the best gloves there is.
Drmies (talk) 01:28, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Well played, striker. Epic gloves are the best gloves there is.
Mitch Skandalakis
- ... that political ads from a 1998 election campaign run by Mitch Skandalakis, a former State Representative and county board commissioner from Fulton County, Georgia, are considered a "classic example of racebaiting"?
2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 15:53, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed a star with an awkward name, above. Starstriker, give that star a cool name, will you? Drmies (talk) 16:48, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Speaking of awkward names, how about a politician whose name starts with "Skandal"? (Well, awkward but appropriate in light of his conviction on corruption charges.) The original hook is 214 characters, which is a wee bit over the limit. The following is only 143, so there's room if you want to re-add some detail, but I tend to prefer a svelte hook.
- ALT1: ... that political ads from a 1998 election campaign run by Georgia Republican Mitch Skandalakis are considered a "classic example of racebaiting"? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:05, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Obviously you're a much better bean counter than I am. Thank you much, Xarabnam. Drmies (talk) 01:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Are we really proposing a hook that for all of its sourcing, basically boils down to calling Skandalakis a racist? OCNative (talk) 07:57, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- The hook talks about the ads, not about the person running them. There actually were some name jokes in the news reports about this guy. I could add that he was sent to jail after lying to an FBI investigator about taking bribes, or that he was disbarred by the Georgia Supreme Court... Drmies (talk) 13:37, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Lilin-Lilin Kecil, Chrisye
- ... that James F. Sundah's 1977 song "Lilin-Lilin Kecil", performed by Chrisye, only placed fifth in the song writing competition it was entered in, but is now considered among the best Indonesian songs of all time?
Created/expanded by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 15:23, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Note: Lilin-Lilin Kecil is new, Chrisye is the most demanding 5x expansion I've ever written Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:23, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviews to follow. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:23, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- First review: Francisco Coching (diff). Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Second review: Battle of Byczyna / War of the Polish Succession (1587–1588)(diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviews to follow. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:23, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Genevieve Foster
- ... that children's author Genevieve Foster was a four-time winner of the Newbery Honor?
Created by BarkingMoon (talk). Self nom at 15:15, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Hook (and its ref) check out. Size and newness check out. The article does not appear to violate any major policies. All that needs to be done is a review, although from the looks of it, I think that the user can opt out (less than 5 DYK credits). --Starstriker7(Talk) 16:29, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Review, what do you mean review? BarkingMoon (talk) 19:20, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Users with more than 5 DYK credits are asked to review an article when nominating to reduce backlog. Since you have less than 5, you are exempt. However, when you reach 5 you should start reviewing. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:00, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, ok, I didn't know. BarkingMoon (talk) 00:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Users with more than 5 DYK credits are asked to review an article when nominating to reduce backlog. Since you have less than 5, you are exempt. However, when you reach 5 you should start reviewing. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:00, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Lou Raymond
- ... that baseball player Lou Raymond's "cup of coffee" with the Philadelphia Phillies consisted of one game, during which he earned a single hit in two at-bats?
Created by Killervogel5 (talk). Self nom at 13:10, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed 1894–95 Small Heath F.C. season. — KV5 • Talk • 13:10, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Verified – length, date and hook check out. (I wish I was good enough at a sport to even lay claim to a cup of coffee in a major league... but I digress. Go Phillies!) Jrcla2 (talk) 22:22, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
2011 CDC warning about zombie apocalypse
- ... that on May 18, 2011 the United States Goverment posted a blog and a couple of tweets to raise public awareness about incoming zombie apocalypse, natural disasters and pandemics?
- Reviewed: Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission ([15])
Created by Mbz1 (talk). Self nom at 07:17, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Shouldn't that be "... to raise public awareness ..." Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:58, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Of course. Fixed. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:19, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Just made a couple minor changes to the hook. Perhaps "tweets" could be linked to Twitter? Qrsdogg (talk) 18:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Linked. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 23:05, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Just made a couple minor changes to the hook. Perhaps "tweets" could be linked to Twitter? Qrsdogg (talk) 18:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Of course. Fixed. Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:19, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Melaleuca fulgens
- ... that the ornamental garden shrub the scarlet honey myrtle (pictured) is from the same genus as the weedy punk tree?
5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 05:28, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
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Date and length check out, but the hook doesn't appear in the article yet (even if it's implied). Is a rewrite of hook or article possible? Khazar (talk) 06:12, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- A smaller issue, too--the article doesn't call it "attractive". Can this be sourced and put in quotation marks? Or just removed? Khazar (talk) 06:15, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- The government website describes it glowingly as "Always striking for its soft grey-green foliage, it is irresistible when in bloom". Given this is a website on growing it as a garden plant, I described them in the article as horticultural features with some positive adjectives. It is a highly regarded garden plant which I am trying to convey. I haven't directly stated the same genus bit in the article. I can rephrase to:
- ... that the attractive garden shrub the scarlet honey myrtle (pictured) and the weedy punk tree are in the genus Melaleuca?
- this way, the genus placement of both in the genus is mentioned on each species page - how is that? If not good enough I'll try to think of a different hook. Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- DYK rules unfortunately require that the cited fact be in the article itself and noted with an inline citation. Hook rules Would it do any harm to mention within the species article something like "its genus includes X, Y, and Z"? I'm not sure how these are normally constructed.
- I'd also still suggest taking out the "attractive" as non-neutral. I understand where you're coming from, and personally agree with the assessment, but it seems a little like having a hook of "Hamlet is a very good play by Shakespeare" or "a pizza is a tasty dinner food"; many people would agree, but it's still POV unless sourced to a particular author or set of authors (which would make this very cluttered). Just mentioning "garden shrub" will be enough, I think, to indicate that it has ornamental value. Actually, what would you say to the word "ornamental" here, or "decorative"? Something that suggests a role rather than a value judgment... Khazar (talk) 17:17, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- 'Ornamental' is a very good choice. Will see what I can do about a direct link. Just had an idea...Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:33, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Material now in Melaleuca fulgens article. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:11, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Good to go. Khazar (talk) 22:01, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- 'Ornamental' is a very good choice. Will see what I can do about a direct link. Just had an idea...Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:33, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Aníbal Pérez
Photograph of Aníbal Pérez
- ... that Aníbal Pérez (pictured) was the first vice president of the Chamber of Deputies of Chile?
Created by Diego Grez (talk). Self nom at 04:09, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed #Clarence Pickrel Diego Grez (talk) 04:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Looks good assuming faith on the reference. — Legolas (talk2me) 07:23, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- How about ALT 1: ... that Aníbal Pérez (pictured), the first vice president of the Chamber of Deputies of Chile, was also president of the O'Higgins football club? Dahn (talk) 13:09, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Just tweak the last part if you wish. — Legolas (talk2me) 16:29, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- I think I provoked a misunderstanding here. Pérez was not the first vicepresident of the Chamber of Deputies, it's inaccurate; the chamber hasn't only one vicepresident, but the most important one is called "the first vicepresident." I'm sorry about this, please suggest another hook, I can't think of any right now.Diego Grez (talk) 04:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe that Perez was known as the "first vicepresident...."? — Legolas (talk2me) 06:35, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- How about ALT2:... that Aníbal Pérez (pictured), a former First Vice President of the Chamber of Deputies of Chile, was also President of the O'Higgins football club? OCNative (talk) 08:02, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe that Perez was known as the "first vicepresident...."? — Legolas (talk2me) 06:35, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- I think I provoked a misunderstanding here. Pérez was not the first vicepresident of the Chamber of Deputies, it's inaccurate; the chamber hasn't only one vicepresident, but the most important one is called "the first vicepresident." I'm sorry about this, please suggest another hook, I can't think of any right now.Diego Grez (talk) 04:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Just tweak the last part if you wish. — Legolas (talk2me) 16:29, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- How about ALT 1: ... that Aníbal Pérez (pictured), the first vice president of the Chamber of Deputies of Chile, was also president of the O'Higgins football club? Dahn (talk) 13:09, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Clarence Pickrel
- ... that on June 2, 1933, Clarence Pickrel, a pitcher for Major League Baseball's Philadelphia Phillies, allowed four New York Giant runs to score without recording a single out?
Created by Killervogel5 (talk). Self nom at 02:34, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed #List of Atlanta Braves team records. Could be saved/used on June 2 itself; it's close enough to that date. — KV5 • Talk • 02:34, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Hair (Lady Gaga song)
- ... that Clarence Clemons, who played saxophone on Lady Gaga's song "Hair", reached the recording studio at midnight and finished his part by 3:00 am?
5x expanded by Legolas2186 (talk). Self nom at 07:20, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Aníbal Pérez. — Legolas (talk2me) 07:24, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
All checks out. Only improvement I might suggest is to mention that Clarence Clemons normally plays in The E Street Band. Miyagawa (talk) 15:43, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Aníbal Pérez. — Legolas (talk2me) 07:24, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
German involvement in the Spanish Civil War
- ... that General Franco signed over the output of six mines to help pay for German involvement in the Spanish Civil War?
- Reviewed: Black and white Valentino dress of Julia Roberts ([16])
Created by Grandiose (talk). Self nom at 13:38, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Hangout Music Festival
- ... that the Hangout Music Festival (entrance pictured) is an annual three-day music festival held on the beach at Gulf Shores, Alabama?
Created by Srt252 (talk). Self nom at 05:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
At 686 characters the article is far short of the 1500 miniumum (note to nominator tthe lists of performing artists don't count towards the 1500). If the article can be expanded in time it could still make it - Basement12 (T.C) 11:32, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 22
Artisans d'Angkor
- ... that the majority of those educated at the Artisans d'Angkor in Siem Reap are uneducated young Cambodian people from rural areas?
Created by Rosiestep (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Dr. Blofeld (talk) at 12:23, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Carya washingtonensis
Erskine Thomason
- ... that Erskine Thomason struck out one batter in his Major League Baseball career, which consisted of pitching one inning in 1974?
5x expanded by Albacore (talk). Self nom at 01:01, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- 2nd DYK nominee, don't need to do a review. Albacore (talk) 01:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Date, expansion and ref are fine. Article was classed as a stub but I've corrected this - Basement12 (T.C) 11:16, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
The Prince and the Surfer
- ... that the direct-to-video 1999 family comedy The Prince and the Surfer (with Linda Cardellini) was the directorial debut of stage and film actor Arye Gross?
- Reviewed: Gus Douglass diff
Created by Lexein (talk). Self nom at 23:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Length, date, and cited hook all check out. May I suggest a catchier hook, though? It would need to be cited, but...
- ... that the 1999 comedy The Prince and the Surfer does not contain a single instance of surfing? — AlekJDS talk 02:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Efthimios Mitropoulos
- ... that Efthimios Mitropoulos is the seventh and current Secretary-General of the International Maritime Organization?
Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 22:20, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Also suggested topic as a double-nom hook at Filipino seamen above at May 21, 2011 section. - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:20, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed the article: Franciscan monastery of Saint Luke, Jajce - AnakngAraw (talk) 22:45, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Bharattherium
- ... that Bharattherium may have been among the first grazing mammals?
- Reviewed: Franquet's Epauletted Fruit Bat
- Comment: Article moved to mainspace moments ago, but had been in userspace for some time. The hook fact is mentioned (more or less clearly) in three sources: Prasad et al. (2005); Wilson et al. (2007); Prasad et al. (2007).
Created/expanded by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 21:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Length and date of move are fine. The hook fact may be mentioned more or less in the sources, I'll AGF as I can't view them, but it seems to be mentioned less (i.e. not at all) in the article itself - Basement12 (T.C) 22:17, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- It's in the last sentence of the lead and the last of "Range and ecology". Ucucha 06:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- But at neither point does it say they were/may have been amongst the first - Basement12 (T.C) 10:28, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Good point, added now. Ucucha 13:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Sorted - Basement12 (T.C) 15:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Good point, added now. Ucucha 13:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Franquet's Epauletted Fruit Bat
- ... that Franquet's Epauletted Fruit Bat is one of three fruit-eating bats found to be a reservoir for Ebola virus in the wild?
- ALT1:... that the call of Franquet's Epauletted Fruit Bat sounds like "kyurnk" at close range and a musical whistle from far off?
- Reviewed: 1994-95 South Pacific cyclone season
- Comment: Thanks to Shyamal for indicating this as a suitable tub for DYK expansion. Credit to user Shyamal for locating a historically significant free image for this article. AshLin (talk) 20:56, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
5x expanded by AshLin (talk), Shyamal (talk). Self nom at 20:56, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Article good, hook confirmed. Ucucha 21:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Hockey: Canada's Royal Winter Game
- ... that Hockey: Canada's Royal Winter Game, published in 1899, was the first book on ice hockey?
- Reviewed: Czerwono-Czarni
Created by Maxim (talk). Self nom at 21:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
, accepting offline refs and suggest adding of project tags to talk page. BarkingMoon (talk) 01:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Might I suggest this be moved to the Special Occasion Holding Area for July 1, Canada Day? OCNative (talk) 11:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- I don't have any particular preference as to when it's run. Do as you think is best. Maxim(talk) 19:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Angkor Centre for Conservation of Biodiversity
- ... that the 2010 assessment of the collection and trade of amphibians in Cambodia was a joint initative of the Angkor Centre for Conservation of Biodiversity and Fauna and Flora International?
Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 19:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Alcyonium digitatum
Ken Barrington
- ... that the England cricketer Ken Barrington died on 14 March 1981 during the Third Test at Bridgetown, Barbados, where he made his first Test century 21 years before?
- Reviewed: Dering Roll
Created by Philipjelley (talk). Self nom Philipjelley (talk) 19:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Armada 2526
- ... that in Armada 2526 you can develop bio-engineered squid hyperdrive ships?
- Reviewed: Jean-Pierre Latz ([17])
- Comment: Article expanded from a two-sentence stub. The hook can be found in the "Gameplay" section.
5x expanded by Mr. Stradivarius (talk). Self nom at 18:58, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Date, length, hook all check out. Only one small tweak I'd suggest to the hook--perhaps mention that it's a computer game? Khazar (talk) 05:46, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- I see your point, but I was thinking the mystery of not knowing exactly what it was would get more people to click! I am open to tweaking it if anyone feels sufficiently strongly about the issue, though. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 07:00, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Length over 3000 letters now. Issues raised concerning making it more encyclopedic done.
- I believe DYK rules call for fictional subjects to be clearly identified as such. It's clear enough that I'm ok with leaving it to the assembling editor, but my vote is that it gets identified as a computer game. Khazar (talk) 20:47, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Alcyonium digitatum
- ... that the soft coral dead man's fingers, (pictured), can live for twenty years?
Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self nom at 18:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Length, date, hook's offline ref accepted AGF. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:44, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Grammy Award for Best Soul Gospel Performance, Male or Female
- ... that Al Green earned the only Grammy Award for Best Soul Gospel Performance, Male or Female in 1990 for the song "As Long As We're Together"?
5x expanded by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 17:13, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
5x expansion confirmed, but Al Green's award is listed for 1989 at Past Winner Search. Notified Another Believer--Wetman (talk) 17:48, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Responded on talk page. Award was presented in 1990 for 1989 works (see Grammy Awards of 1990). --Another Believer (Talk) 18:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Dering Roll
- ... that the Dering Roll (excerpt pictured) begins with the coats of arms of two illegitimate sons of King John of England?
- Reviewed: Hair (Lady Gaga song)
Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 15:57, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Looks OK to me, old article increased fivefold and sufficiently long, accepting the bona fides of the sources in good faith.Philipjelley (talk) 19:28, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Christian Council of Ghana
- ... that the Christian Council of Ghana, an umbrella group that unites 15 churches, was formed in 1929?
Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 14:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Shackleford (horse) [[18]]
The article is not 1500 characters of prose, its mainly a section of lists. The article needs to read as an encyclopedic article. FruitMonkey (talk) 22:56, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Length now over 3000 characters. More content added. Article now reads more encyclopedic.-- CrossTempleJay talk 09:21, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Much happier. Date, length, format and cites are good, which back up the hook. Notability also not a problem. Good to go. FruitMonkey (talk) 17:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Shackleford (horse)
- ... that 2011 Preakness Stakes-winner Shackleford's owners wanted to sell him, but no one wanted to meet their reserve price?
- Reviewed: TBD
Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 12:57, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Hook, date check out, but my count gave a length less than 1500.-- CrossTempleJay talk 14:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Length should be good now.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:54, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Length now more than 1500. Good work. Ready to go.-- CrossTempleJay talk 21:43, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Actor's and Sin
- ... that the 1952 drama and comedy Actor's and Sin was only the second time Edward G. Robinson starred in a film with Marsha Hunt?
- Comment: reviewed #Vermouth [19] Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 10:04, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
5x expanded by MichaelQSchmidt (talk). Self nom at 10:04, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Good to go. Nicely done.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:47, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Suggesting a couple of ALTs...
- ALT1: ... that several theater chains refused to screen the 1952 film Actor's and Sin due to its lampooning of stage and screen?
- ALT2: ... that DVD Verdict refers to a child's performance in the 1952 film Actor's and Sin as "fingernails-on-a-blackboard grating"? MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 21:01, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Both ALTs are nice. Go with whichever one might best intrigue readers. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 03:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Czerwono-Czarni
- ... that Czerwono-Czarni was the first Polish rock band to cut a record?
5x expanded by Vounteer Marek, Epeefleche, and Piotrus; nominated by --Epeefleche (talk) 07:33, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: 13th (Lancashire) Parachute Battalion
. Looks good. Maxim(talk) 21:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
13th (Lancashire) Parachute Battalion
- ... that after the Second World War, 252 men of the 13th (Lancashire) Parachute Battalion were charged with mutiny?
Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 06:13, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Victoria Aitken [20]
Good to go. Great work.--Epeefleche (talk) 07:36, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Robert W. Chandler
- ... that Robert W. Chandler bought the The Bend Bulletin newspaper from Robert W. Sawyer in 1953 with only a $6,000 down payment?
- Comment: Source is "Bend Daily Celebrates Centennial" in Aug 2003 edition of Oregon Publisher; see p. 6, column 4
Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 01:21, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Jeanette Eaton
- ... that children's author Jeanette Eaton, a four-time winner of the Newbery Honor, was a feminist who also wrote for a socialist magazine and felt that women were inhibited by reading women's magazines?
Created by BarkingMoon (talk). Self nom at 00:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: John Azary. BarkingMoon (talk) 00:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Well, the article is fine; I made some tweaks. But where does this hook come from? Drmies (talk) 02:15, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- It's a combination of several facts from the article. Feel free to tweak or make ALTs.BarkingMoon (talk) 02:17, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Ah. Look again at the name in the section heading, and the name in the hook. I'll get back to you! Drmies (talk) 02:21, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- AH, I was the one confused. FIxed. BarkingMoon (talk) 02:26, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- OK. I made a tweak or two, and if it's OK with you, I'm also going to make minor changes to the hook. I also suggest that you added examples of the 'modern inventions' to the article and rephrase that sentence; it's not totally clear. But there is some unclarity: I don't rightly understand the last part of hook, since "inhibited women" is a very general phrase. Moreover, the start of the sentence that provides the base for the hook, "As for the "best friend" of men, she felt that was women's magazines," is unclear. "Women's magazines was the best friend of men" is not very clear. I suggest a rewriting of that sentence, placing it in the context of women's lib, for instance, and making clear that "men" refers to patriarchy. The problem there is that you're dealing with a primary source and the introduction in that reader doesn't specifically address the reading of women's magazines; citing a secondary source is probably the best thing to do. Sorry to give you more work. Drmies (talk) 02:35, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Tweaks are fine. Added examples of inventions. Will sleep on the rewrite. If you think of how to improve, it, go for it.BarkingMoon (talk) 02:51, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, this is no time for sleeping! I've looked at the material again, and I've tweaked the hook, and I think it will work now--adding "reading" makes this less of an interpretation, in my opinion. Please see the suggestion on my talk page; when you stick that quote in I'll be glad to send it on. Drmies (talk) 02:54, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Check it now. Added the blockquote. Your and LoS's tweaks are all definite improvements. BarkingMoon (talk) 11:26, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, this is no time for sleeping! I've looked at the material again, and I've tweaked the hook, and I think it will work now--adding "reading" makes this less of an interpretation, in my opinion. Please see the suggestion on my talk page; when you stick that quote in I'll be glad to send it on. Drmies (talk) 02:54, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Tweaks are fine. Added examples of inventions. Will sleep on the rewrite. If you think of how to improve, it, go for it.BarkingMoon (talk) 02:51, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- OK. I made a tweak or two, and if it's OK with you, I'm also going to make minor changes to the hook. I also suggest that you added examples of the 'modern inventions' to the article and rephrase that sentence; it's not totally clear. But there is some unclarity: I don't rightly understand the last part of hook, since "inhibited women" is a very general phrase. Moreover, the start of the sentence that provides the base for the hook, "As for the "best friend" of men, she felt that was women's magazines," is unclear. "Women's magazines was the best friend of men" is not very clear. I suggest a rewriting of that sentence, placing it in the context of women's lib, for instance, and making clear that "men" refers to patriarchy. The problem there is that you're dealing with a primary source and the introduction in that reader doesn't specifically address the reading of women's magazines; citing a secondary source is probably the best thing to do. Sorry to give you more work. Drmies (talk) 02:35, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- AH, I was the one confused. FIxed. BarkingMoon (talk) 02:26, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Ah. Look again at the name in the section heading, and the name in the hook. I'll get back to you! Drmies (talk) 02:21, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Victoria Aitken
- ... that Victoria Lockwood and Charles Spencer, 9th Earl Spencer had only known each other for six weeks prior to getting married?
Created by Yk Yk Yk (talk). Self nom at 05:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Filipino seamen ([21])
- Alt1 to get around the name change
- ... that the then Victoria Lockwood and Charles Spencer, 9th Earl Spencer had only known each other for six weeks prior to getting married? Jim Sweeney (talk) 06:21, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- - That's fine. - Yk3 talk · contrib 06:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
date, length and hook checked to on-line source. Jim Sweeney (talk) 06:16, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- The hook is fine, but might there be a way to incorporate her former sister-in-law? Including her would probably substantially increase interest in the hook. OCNative (talk) 11:19, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
R (GC) v Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis
- ... that the United Kingdom Supreme Court recently ruled that current police practices regarding the retention of biometric data are unlawful?
Created by Bob House 884 (talk). Self nom at 15:27, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Date of article, length and hook seem fine to me. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Just to say, this is a UK based hook, and it'd be nice to get it timed appropriately for that audience. I'll leave that to you guys. Bob House 884 (talk) 22:15, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Jean-Pierre Latz
- ... that Jean-Pierre Latz, like several other very prominent ébénistes in 18th-century Paris, was born in Germany?
Created by Wetman (talk). Self nom at 18:00, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
The date and length are fine, and most of the article is well-sourced. The hook is not cited though - there needs to be an inline citation for the sentence "Like several of his peers in the French capital, he was of German origin." Also, saying that Latz was a "truly outstanding" cabinetmaker seems a bit WP:PEACOCK-ey when that language is not obviously used in the source. A bit more work and this should be fine. All the best. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 18:36, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- For German cabinetmakers working in Paris, see the list at ébéniste. For Latz' birth in Germany, I've now inserted an eleventh reference to Bellaigue 1974, p. 876. I avoid empty adjectives: Latz ranks with Jean-François Oeben and BVRB among the very first Louis XV ébénistes: the clients mentioned in the article speak for his prominence. I'll add a somewhat extended remark by André Bouthemy and shall look for some further published peacockry. --Wetman (talk) 19:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Fixed by adding new citation. Sorry for being a little unclear before - the issue wasn't his being German, as that was sourced before. The issue was that there was no citation that says that "several other" ébénistes working in Paris were of German origins. I've fixed this by adding the cite note you wrote at Guillaume Beneman and editing it a little. (You might want to change the wording, as it's a bit of a hatchet job.) I think this is just enough to conform to the DYK rules, as now the sentence is cited, and the individuals mentioned are cited as being German in their own articles. However if there's a source that specifically says that many of Latz's peers in Paris were German, then citing that would be preferable, I think. Also, thank you for adding the source for "truly outstanding". That is more than enough for our purposes here, although more published peacockry certainly can't hurt. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 06:49, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- I removed the dates (ca 1691 — 1754), which made the hook less hooky and were unnecessary, as "18th-century" establishes a close-enough time frame (plus it had the wrong kind of dash between the years). MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 09:48, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- For German cabinetmakers working in Paris, see the list at ébéniste. For Latz' birth in Germany, I've now inserted an eleventh reference to Bellaigue 1974, p. 876. I avoid empty adjectives: Latz ranks with Jean-François Oeben and BVRB among the very first Louis XV ébénistes: the clients mentioned in the article speak for his prominence. I'll add a somewhat extended remark by André Bouthemy and shall look for some further published peacockry. --Wetman (talk) 19:42, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Olek
People wearing full body suits, made entirely from crocheted acrylic yarn.
- ... that Polish-born American artist Olek is well-known for having her exhibit visitors wear her full body fabric art (pictured)?
- Alt 1: ... that participants in performance art by Polish-born American artist Olek are literally crocheted into her body suits, without fasteners (pictured)?
- Reviewed: Case Closed discography ([22])
Created by Zanimum (talk). Self nom at 15:48, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Date, length, and first hook OK. Second hook is sourced to http://subwayartblog.com/ , which might not be a WP:RS. Go with the first hook. I would advise against using the picture--it might be a copyright violation, since it is a photograph of a copyrighted artwork. See commons:Commons:Derivative works.--GrapedApe (talk) 03:23, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Liang Huazhi
- ...that Liang Huazhi led the Patriotic Sacrifice League to resist the Japanese Empire in Shanxi, China?
Created by Ferox Seneca (talk). Self nom at 01:15, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
So Random!
- ... that Disney Channel has created a spin-off of Sonny with a Chance, titled So Random!, which is a musical sketch comedy show that was first introduced in Sonny with a Chance?
Created by 68DANNY2 (talk). Nominated by 117Avenue (talk) at 04:48, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on May 23
Driver and Vehicle Licensing Authority (Ghana)
- ... that the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Authority of Ghana was formed in 1999?
Created by Crosstemplejay (talk). Self nom at 23:10, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Carya washingtonensis
- ... that the extinct Miocene hickory, Carya washingtonensis is known from over 50 nuts found as a rodent cache found in a petrified stump?
Created by Kevmin (talk). Self nom at 23:09, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Louisiana pancake batfish below
Length, date, hook's offline ref accepted AGF. Also, I'm suggesting we avoid using the word "found" twice within the hook; ALT1 : ...that the extinct Miocene hickory, Carya washingtonensis is known from over 50 nuts found as a rodent cache within a petrified stump? --Rosiestep (talk) 04:02, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- I have no problems with the alt hook. --Kevmin § 07:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
5th (Scottish) Parachute Battalion
- ...during World War II paratroopers in the 5th Parachute Battalion wore bonnets?
Self nom Jim Sweeney (talk) 21:56, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Declaration of war by Canada 23 May
Charles Edward Keyser
- ... that in 1893, stockbroker and Knight Templar Charles Edward Keyser (pictured) bought Aldermaston Court – a mansion built by a student of his grandfather?
Created/expanded by Mattgirling (talk). Self nom at 21:36, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Anarchism in Argentina (diff). matt (talk) 21:51, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Louisiana pancake batfish
- ... that the rare Louisiana pancake batfish only lives in the area affected by the Deepwater Horizon oil spill?
Created by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
length, hook, and references all check out.--Kevmin § 21:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Rizal Law
- ... that the Catholic Church in the Philippines threatened to close all Catholic schools if the Rizal Bill of 1956 was passed (José Rizal pictured)?
- ALT2: that the debates to enact the Rizal Law (José Rizal pictured) in 1956 is compared to the current Reproductive Health bill debate in the Philippines?
- Comment: Suggest a June 19 date as it is Rizal's 150th birth anniversary.
Created by Howard the Duck (talk). Self nom at 17:44, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Hook, length, date check out. Good to go. ALT1 is more catchy.-- CrossTempleJay → talk 23:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
New Zealand WWII pilots
- ... that between WWII New Zealand born pilots, Roy Calvert (pictured), Fraser Barron, Gordon Cochrane, Bob Yule, Reg Grant and Frank Watkins, they have been awarded 5 DFCs, 3 DSOs, 2 DFMs, 7 Medal bars and 1 recommendation for the Victoria Cross?
Created by Spy007au (talk). Self nom at 13:23, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Except for the missing roll over text everything seems to be in good order. MisterBee1966 (talk) 18:12, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- How about Alt1
- ... that in World War II, New Zealand born pilots, Roy Calvert (pictured), Fraser Barron, Gordon Cochrane, Bob Yule, Reg Grant and Frank Watkins, between them were awarded 4 DSOs, 11 DFCs, 2 DFMs and one was recommended for the Victoria Cross?
Jim Sweeney (talk) 18:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- ::That's OK with me. Spy007au (talk) 21:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Tobermory (distillery)
- ... that the Tobermory whisky distillery (pictured) is located in the village made famous by the children's television show Balamory?
- Reviewed: Glossary of association football terms
5x expanded by Miyagawa (talk). Self nom at 13:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Nice read, although I like beer more. References are OK.--Stone (talk) 20:50, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Dhondup Wangchen
- ... that the American Repertory Theater and System of a Down's Serj Tankian dedicated their 2011 Prometheus Bound to jailed Tibetan filmmaker Dhondup Wangchen?
- Reviewed: Silver Spurs Rodeo, Agnes Hewes
Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 05:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Date length and hook all check out. Good to go!Benny Digital Speak Your Brains 07:52, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Added tick and tweaked a word in the hook for impact. Yoninah (talk) 21:21, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Jigme Gyatso
- ... that Jigme Gyatso was re-arrested after his allegations of torture by Chinese security forces were re-played on Voice of America?
- Reviewed: Armada 2526
Created by Khazar (talk). Self nom at 05:43, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
The article is Prose size (text only): 3529 B (583 words) "readable prose size" and there needs to be at least 1500 words. Otherwise, date and sources verified. mauchoeagle (c) 21:54, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Not sure what the above comment means. The article is more than 1500 characters. Date, length, hook ref all verified. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 23:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Silver Spurs Rodeo
- ... that the Silver Spurs Rodeo, billed as the largest rodeo east of the Mississippi River, was originally organized to encourage the purchase of war bonds?
Created by Horologium (talk). Self nom at 02:17, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Anton Graff ([24])
Length, date, hook good to go. Khazar (talk) 05:57, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Agnes Hewes
- ... that American children's author Agnes Hewes, a three-time winner of the Newbery Honor, was born in Tripoli, Lebanon to medical missionary parents?
Created by BarkingMoon (talk). Self nom at 01:04, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
It appears she won the "honor" three times, not the medal--in other words, finalist, not winner. To be picky, the source also doesn't appear to verify that Hewes was born in Tripoli, only that her parents lived there. Other than that, date and length check out. Very impressive research on this one. Khazar (talk) 06:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Added the ref that says she was born in Tripoli and lived there 12 years to after the first sentence in the Bio section (ref number 3). Yes, she got the "honor", not the "medal". The Newbery organization tracks this too but on wiki both are discussed and recipients (of the honor too) are listed in the same article.BarkingMoon (talk) 09:54, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Good to go, thanks for the changes and (another) well-researched piece. Khazar (talk) 14:27, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
David F. Ford
... that distinguished theologian David F. Ford of the University of Cambridge originally thought he would go to work at British Steel or Rolls-Royce?
- Reviewed: Kbal Spean ([25])
2x expanded and sourced (BLP) by Yoninah (talk). Self nom at 00:22, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Not precisely what the source says, but close enough I guess. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 03:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Is this better?
- ALT1: ... that distinguished theologian David F. Ford of the University of Cambridge originally interviewed for a job at British Steel and Rolls-Royce? Yoninah (talk) 13:35, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Fine too. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 20:36, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Case Closed discography
- ... that the Case Closed discography contains seventy-seven singles and nineteen soundtrack albums during the anime's 15 year run?
5x expanded by DragonZero (talk). Self nom at 07:58, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- First DYK so there's bound to be problems I will try to fix. Thanks. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 07:59, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- ... that the Case Closed discography contains seventy-seven singles and nineteen soundtrack albums during the anime's 15 year run?
- Otherwise it's good to go. (Alternatively, the fact there were five singles reaching #1 is pretty impressive.) -- Zanimum (talk) 15:38, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
The article is too short at 1385 characters of prose. Please have a look at DYK rules. —Bruce1eetalk 06:46, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- I added more words, it should meet the requirements now. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 08:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Length fine now, thanks. —Bruce1eetalk 08:51, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- I added more words, it should meet the requirements now. DragonZero (Talk · Contribs) 08:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Intelligence in Canada
... that Canadian intelligence system consists of several agencies that provide different sorts of intelligence?
Created by MauchoEagle (talk). Self nom at 21:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Please note that due to a history merge recently performed, the article comes across as created by SuncountryGuy01 who is indefinitely blocked. mauchoeagle (c) 21:45, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed #Jigme Gyatso (diff) mauchoeagle (c) 21:58, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Date, size, hook check out. I AGF the history based on the mergers and moves. But the hook is as dry as the come. The article has more interesting facts, I'd strongly suggest coming up with something more eye catching. How about the ALT below
(needs a cite in the article)? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 00:14, 24 May 2011 (UTC)- ALT1:...that some of the earliest activities of the Canadian intelligence system involved guarding the Canada-United States border, and to prevent U.S. infringement on Canadian neutrality during the U.S. Civil War
Articles created/expanded on May 24
Jens Bache-Wiig
- ... that Norwegian engineer Jens Bache-Wiig resigned from his position in the International Telephone and Telegraph in protest against the New York head office intervening in his area of responsibility?
5x expanded by Eisfbnore (talk). Self nom at 09:06, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Hall income tax
- ... that government revenues from Tennessee's Hall income tax vary by as much as 26 percent from one year to the next?
- Reviewed: TBD (to be named later)
Created by Orlady (talk). Self nom at 04:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Voltar (comics)
- ...that the World Encyclopedia of Comics described Voltar as one of the earliest epic comic book series to result from a single creator's vision?
Created/expanded by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nom at 02:10, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
The hook should be improved under the "Principle of least astonishment". If the text says "comic book", link "comic book", not "Philippine comics" and "comic book"; or reformulate it to make in-text reference to Philipine comics if needed. Similarily, Alfredo Alcala's name should not be pipelinked. You don't need to repeat the quote, stating it in your own words is better. And, now that you are at it, would you mind adding {{Infobox comic book title}} to it? Cambalachero (talk) 02:53, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Can the hook be:
- ALT 1: ... that the World Encyclopedia of Comics described Voltar as one of the earliest epic comic book series to result from Alfredo Alcala's vision?
- ALT 2: ... that Voltar was one of the earliest epic comic book series to result from a single creator's vision? - AnakngAraw (talk) 08:44, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- Added infobox at article page. - AnakngAraw (talk) 08:44, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- ALT 3: ... that the World Encyclopedia of Comics described Voltar as one of the earliest epic comic book series? - AnakngAraw (talk) 08:47, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- ALT 4: ... that Voltar, an early epic comic book serial, was single-handedly created, written, and illustrated by Alfredo Alcala? - AnakngAraw (talk) 08:51, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- ALT 5: ... that Voltar, a 1963 comic book serial from the Philippines, was single-handedly created, written, and illustrated by Alfredo Alcala? - AnakngAraw (talk) 08:53, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Feudal fragmentation
- ... that many European countries suffered from feudal fragmentation in the Middle Ages?
Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 00:17, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
- reviewed #Intelligence in Canada
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May 27
HMS Princess Irene
- ... that there was only one survivor of the explosion which obliterated HMS Princess Irene (pictured) off Sheerness, Kent and killed 352 people?
Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 09:24, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- To appear on 27 May please, the anniversary of her loss. Mjroots (talk) 09:26, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- I reviewed Al Murray's Compete for the Meat. Mjroots (talk) 09:36, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
I believe the first paragraph under Loss needs copyediting to show 352 people killed. Is there a reference for the lead of 352 lives lost? Otherwise it looks very good. Interesting article on disasters. I lost my great uncle at the explosion of the SS Sultana, greatest American maritime disaster.--Doug Coldwell talk 11:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Done Corrected to 352. Ref is Ingleton's book. Mjroots (talk) 13:17, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Date and length of article fine. Reference: Accepted on Good Faith that it is on p. 20 --Doug Coldwell talk 14:15, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- It's actually p50, 4th complete para. Ref #2 (online) also verifies one survivor. Mjroots (talk) 14:30, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Great! I looked at that online reference before, however couldn't find 352 or the addition to 352. Can you help me on this?--Doug Coldwell talk 14:49, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Here is the math I get: 273 officers and men and 76 dockyard workers = 349. On the Isle of Grain a girl of nine was killed by flying débris, and a farmhand died of shock = 2 more for a total of 351. I assume on page 50 of Kent Disasters by Roy D. Ingleton that it says 352 were killed. I am Assuming Good Faith and that is why I already approved it. In the lead shouldn't it be also referenced with #4, then to the person that approves it can find the hook and its reference right away. Here is what I do to get my DYK submissions approved almost immediately with no controversy. I am going to use my last DYK submission as an example. In the lead of American Motor League I reference the DYK hook line with the exact words of the book reference. Then when the Reviewer looks it over they can see what the book says. Its usually pretty obvious I took the words right out of the book and therefore it gets approved with no problems. It turns out also IF it is in one book, it usually is in other books - therefore I can (if necessary) give other sources. AND it turns out many times it can be found online also. I save a copy I scanned in of my book reference and IF there is any questions I could even e-mail to the Reviewer or any editior. A lot of work, however there is never any problems with my hook being referenced. I am ready! Perhaps you have the wording for 352 killed - and if you do just reference the lead and put down those words to show where you got it. But like I say, I am taking your word on this and will Assume Good Faith.--Doug Coldwell talk 17:57, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- Here is a blog that comes up with a number of 278 killed killing 278 men including 78 workers from nearby towns and villages. What is the wording on page 50? --Doug Coldwell talk 18:18, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
- The GWPDA website does not mention the worker on the collier that was killed, the other figures tie up. Ingleton gives 273 + 76 killed on ship, 2 killed on Isle of Grain and 1 on the collier, a total of 352. Lede does not need a reference as the fact is covered in the main body of the article and referenced there. Mjroots (talk) 19:07, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Date and length of article fine. Reference AGF. Thanks for explaining that to me.--Doug Coldwell talk 19:14, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
June 2 (Feast of the Ascension)
Ascension of Jesus in Christian art
- ... that the depictions of the Ascension of Jesus in Christian art (example pictured) are often divided into an upper (heavenly) and lower (earthly) part?
- Reviewed: 1926 FA Cup Final
Created by History2007 (talk). Self nom at 21:50, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: Here is the G-book link for the hook (is also in the article). History2007 (talk) 21:03, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: will be appropriate for Feast of the Ascension, June 2, 2011. History2007 (talk) 21:03, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
the hook, date, length, references all check out so I'll pass this for DYK. Now, as for some feedback on the article, you don't "usually" need sources for the info in the lead. The idea is that the info in the lead should be an overview of information in the article. Also consolidate some of your sources when you get a chance, I see some repeats in there (see citation pages on Wiki for the html templates). But theses are all suggestions for GA status or B-class rating. I also moved you up to a C-class rating for you because it is a good article and well written. look forward to seeing it on the front page, Cheers! Kayz911 (talk) 05:34, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
- Interest factor is not bad (6.5 on the the DYK Lame Index). Tony (talk) 12:36, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
June 5
Marga T, Badai Pasti Berlalu (novel), Badai Pasti Berlalu (film), Badai Pasti Berlalu (album), Badai Pasti Berlalu (song)
- ... that Marga T's novel, Badai Pasti Berlalu, spawned a critically acclaimed film, album, and song?
Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:21, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Mark Edward (diff), Sanjak of Prizren (diff), Voalavo (diff), and San Cristóbal de las Casas (diff). Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:21, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
Also, if possible could we have it for June 5th (when the novel started its original run as a serial in Kompas)? Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:28, 14 May 2011 (UTC)Length, date and sources verified. Good to go.mauchoeagle (c) 00:01, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- How about the date? Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:40, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- I would suggest you not do that, putting hooks on a special day is reserved only for special occasions. `mauchoeagle (c)
- Alright. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:11, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- The definition of "special occasion" is generally construed broadly for DYK, so as long as its within six weeks, it's fine, so I've moved this to the special occasion holding area. It's too bad there isn't a Badai Pasti Berlalu play, as with five articles in a single hook, you can make the DYK Hall of Fame. OCNative (talk) 12:25, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- I 5x'd Marga T. Could I add it to the hook? Not sure how though, since both the kinds of expansion and dates are different. Also needs to be reviewed... Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed Hermann Kasack, Die Stadt hinter dem Strom (diff). Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:30, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- The definition of "special occasion" is generally construed broadly for DYK, so as long as its within six weeks, it's fine, so I've moved this to the special occasion holding area. It's too bad there isn't a Badai Pasti Berlalu play, as with five articles in a single hook, you can make the DYK Hall of Fame. OCNative (talk) 12:25, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Alright. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:11, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- I would suggest you not do that, putting hooks on a special day is reserved only for special occasions. `mauchoeagle (c)
- How about the date? Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:40, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- I've made the appropriate changes to this nom to add Marga T. Someone else will need to review the article, as I've got to run right now. OCNative (talk) 14:34, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- I swear they don't make user pages big enough for the number of barnstars you deserve OC. Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:38, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words. I've removed the stub message from the article and fixed the birth date formatting. Date, expansion, and hook check out. However, in the article, the list of selected works is uncited, as is the paragraph that begins, "During the late 1970s and throughout the 1980s and 1990s..." OCNative (talk) 01:36, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- I fixed that. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:38, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Offline and foreign language refs accepted in good faith in Marga T. Date, length, and hook check out. Since MauchoEagle signed off on the other four articles, this is ready to go for DYK. OCNative (talk) 02:56, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- Oh shoot, I hadn't even realized that Marga T was apart of the hook. I thought it was only those four article. Thanks for reviewing Marga T, OCNaative. mauchoeagle (c) 23:04, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- No, no, you were fine, MauchoEagle. Marga T wasn't part of the hook until after I made my off-hand comment about the Hall of Fame on 18 May, at which point Crisco 1492 expanded Marga T to get this hook to qualify for the Hall of Fame. OCNative (talk) 02:58, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, MauchoEagle. At that point I had not bothered expanding Marga T 5x, but the second I read "Hall of Fame"... Well, let's just say I don't mind the spotlight. Thanks for reviewing those 4, btw. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:18, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- No, no, you were fine, MauchoEagle. Marga T wasn't part of the hook until after I made my off-hand comment about the Hall of Fame on 18 May, at which point Crisco 1492 expanded Marga T to get this hook to qualify for the Hall of Fame. OCNative (talk) 02:58, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
- Oh shoot, I hadn't even realized that Marga T was apart of the hook. I thought it was only those four article. Thanks for reviewing Marga T, OCNaative. mauchoeagle (c) 23:04, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- I fixed that. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:38, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- I swear they don't make user pages big enough for the number of barnstars you deserve OC. Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:38, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
- Highly unusual case where there are four/five subjects in one hook (BTW, I see a near 5-fold expansion of Marga T from 80 to 391 words). I think the hook is overburdened and filled with several potentially misleading pipes. However, if Marga T isn't meant to be part of the hook, its should be reordered to the back, and unbolded. Personally, I would turn the focus on the book and use a hook thus:
ALT1... that Badai Pasti Berlalu, a novel by Indonesian author Marga T novel, spawned a critically acclaimed film, album, and song, all of the same name?
- --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 02:30, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- 5x means the number of characters, not the number of words. The DYK tool says that it is good to go. As for the hooks, what is misleading? Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- And yes, Marga T as a 5x expansion is meant to be in the hook. We could theoretically do this:
ALT2 ... that Marga T's novel Badai Pasti Berlalu spawned a critically acclaimed film, album, and song, all with the same name? - but I don't see much of a need for it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:25, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
The original hook is fine. DYK has a long tradition of multi-article hooks. This expansion took the Marga T article from 455 characters to 2376 characters, which is a 5.22x expansion. ALT1 is grammatically incorrect. Finally, I don't see how the hook is even remotely misleading. OCNative (talk) 08:22, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- And yes, Marga T as a 5x expansion is meant to be in the hook. We could theoretically do this:
- There is an equally long if not longer tradition of being tolerant and respectful to proposals by others, and not striking suggested ALTs just because "there's nothing wrong with the original hook". --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 12:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- I struck ALT1 because it was grammatically incorrect and was based on the mistaken premise that Marga T was not part of the nomination. OCNative (talk) 05:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- This wins a 1 at the bottom of the DYK Lame Index. And to be legalistic, it badly fails the requirement in Criterion 1 that a hook be interesting to a wide audience. This one is a textbook case of the utterly commonplace: is there something suprising or unusual about a novel that spawns a "critically acclaimed" film and a song? Such vertical marketing is just a market reality nowadays, so unless Crisco has something to add to the hook that does make it vaguely special, this one should go the way of the "Look at the sky and you see stars" kind of hook. Bin it.
Ohconfucius's ALT is little better, I'm afraid. I have no problem with the multi-article referents. I care only about interesting the readers. Tony (talk) 12:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC) PS If you could make something out of "first Indonesian ..." or better, "first novel from South East Asia to ...", that would be in the right direction. Tony (talk) 12:29, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- I understand your concern, Tony; needless to say, the context will be lost on most readers (For those who care, this was quite unheard of for an Indonesian novel at the time. As noted in Badai Pasti Berlalu (album), one of the main singers didn't expect the album to be a success; Indonesian soundtrack albums were a novelty at the time. Sadly, most of the surprising stuff is lost because of the different context we live in. Most of our readers would not consider 25,000 copies sold to be a success, but in 1970s Indonesia that was considered astounding; even today, selling 140,000 copies gets a book called "mega best seller" because of how unusual it is. However, nuking a hook because an editor considers it standard is not good form. If that were policy, many of these would never have made it. I have heard Badai Pasti Berlalu compared to a Harlequin novel, but no sources for that. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:46, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Can you add just another phrase that might convey this, then. As a reader, I want to be interested in it. At the moment, it falls flat and I won't ever visit the linked articles. I believe every hook should "compete" for readers' attention, without at all being spin-like or exaggerated. It could be a matter of finding the right combination of factors that really does make it stand out. "... in the 1970s considered ...". I do wish slightly longer hooks were permitted where more information is necessary to capture readers' attention. There could still be a general expectation of the current limit, with special cases made occasionally. Tony (talk) 13:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- I think there is an exception for multiple-article hooks, but I forget which one that is. How about:
- ALT3 "... that Marga T's novel, Badai Pasti Berlalu, sold roughly 24,000 copies (a "fantastic" number for an Indonesian novel at the time) and spawned a critically acclaimed film, album, and song?"
- Is that any better? May be pushing the 200 char limit though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:03, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
June 6 (Queensland Day)
Anzac Avenue
- ... that Anzac Avenue is the longest World War I memorial road in Queensland?
- Reviewed: Amie mac Ruari ([26])
5x expanded by Lankiveil (talk). Self nom at 01:45, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
All checks out - ready to go. Harrison49 (talk) 16:14, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- Looks good indeed. I just think it's a shame you couldn't use it on the main page today as it's ANZAC day. The C of E. God Save The Queen! (talk) 21:16, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. That was the intention, but you know, procrastination ;). Lankiveil (speak to me) 22:44, 25 April 2011 (UTC).
- Queensland "was named in honour of Queen Victoria, who on 6 June 1859 signed Letters Patent separating the colony from New South Wales." (Copied from Queensland#Etymology.) So 6 June 2011, which is only a few weeks ahead, may be a good day to put a photo of this street in Queensland on MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 18:27, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
- I hadn't thought of doing it as a Queensland Day one, but I quite like the idea, and have no objections at all! 110.174.224.43 (talk) 08:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC).
- Please be encouraged to get a good photo to go with the hook. You still have 4 weeks. Lots of time. :-) --PFHLai (talk) 14:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
- Interest factor (Criterion 1) is rather low: is there a longer one in another Australian state? If not, can you widen the claim to "in Australia", or even "in Australasia"? Tony (talk) 12:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, the claim cannot be widened: Great Ocean Road is the longest war memorial road in the world, it's a World War I memorial, and it's in the Australian state of Victoria. OCNative (talk) 05:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Interest factor (Criterion 1) is rather low: is there a longer one in another Australian state? If not, can you widen the claim to "in Australia", or even "in Australasia"? Tony (talk) 12:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
- Please be encouraged to get a good photo to go with the hook. You still have 4 weeks. Lots of time. :-) --PFHLai (talk) 14:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
- I hadn't thought of doing it as a Queensland Day one, but I quite like the idea, and have no objections at all! 110.174.224.43 (talk) 08:40, 3 May 2011 (UTC).
June 12 (Pentecost)
Ipomopsis sancti-spiritus
- ... that the Holy Ghost ipomopsis found in the Sangre de Cristo Mountains in New Mexico is predicted to become extinct in 50 years?
Created by IceCreamAntisocial (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 02:48, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Length, date, and hook reference (3) all check out. Good to go.--Nvvchar. 08:41, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
- Shall we wait for Pentecost? Probably a little too far ahead in future.... --PFHLai (talk) 17:29, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- Good idea. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 11:20, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
July 1 (Canada Day)
Declaration of war by Canada
- ... that other than the Second World War, there has never been a declaration of war by Canada?
- Reviewed: Bardhyl Ajeti ([27])
- Comment: Could this hook be saved for an appearance on Canada Day (July 1)?
Created by OCNative (talk). Self nom at 11:49, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
date length and hook verified Jim Sweeney (talk) 22:03, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
- Moving it to Canada Day's section. Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:10, 23 May 2011 (UTC)