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Hi Missvain - I’m curious how you based your delete decision for Toba Capital on the arguments in the AfD discussion. There was the nomination, two keeps, and two deletes, but plenty of sources demonstrating notability. It clearly passes [[WP:GNG]] as the largest venture capital firm in Orange County, CA, and at worst should have been a no consensus. I worry you’re only going to encourage the deletionists, to the detriment of the encyclopedia. [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 02:10, 5 December 2020 (UTC) |
Hi Missvain - I’m curious how you based your delete decision for Toba Capital on the arguments in the AfD discussion. There was the nomination, two keeps, and two deletes, but plenty of sources demonstrating notability. It clearly passes [[WP:GNG]] as the largest venture capital firm in Orange County, CA, and at worst should have been a no consensus. I worry you’re only going to encourage the deletionists, to the detriment of the encyclopedia. [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 02:10, 5 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:Good morning [[User:Timtempleton]]! Clearly you are unfamiliar with my work if you are worried about me "encouraging" deletionists! Ha!! {{smiley|angel}} Hehehe... |
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:Anyway, AfD isn't a vote, so two deletes and two keeps doesn't mean much to me, it's the arguments and the discussions which build consensus. '''Actually, it's five deletes and three keeps.''' So, if voting consensus-style is your thing then deletes won. Second, I know you started the article and I know, from my own experience, how aggravating it is when an article I have created was deleted. It's so disappointing and for me, at times, demoralizing. |
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:I agree with [[User:HighKing]] regarding their recognizing of cherry picking bits out of sources. I agree with [[User:TastyPoutine]] suggesting that the corporation just be merged into [[Vinny Smith]]'s article. I also agree with TastyPoutine and [[User:Wikimandia]] - largest in the county, etc, doesn't mean anything regarding notability and inclusion in the encyclopedia, OC or not. [[User:Smallbones]] is quite knowledgeable and experienced editor wise, and I trust his analysis regarding VC's and corporations. While I don't alway agree with him, we have worked together in person at edit-a-thons and I have come to respect and trust his opinion and knowledge. When folks get frustrated with my decisions (and honestly, at this point, I'm one of less than a handful of admins who seems to venture into AfD both here and on Commons anymore, I guess it's my charitable heart that feels for backlogs! Or maybe it's just OCD {{smiley|sarcastic}}) I always end up suggesting the same thing: Feel free to take it to [[Wikipedia:Deletion review|deletion review]] if my respond isn't sufficient. I have no emotional connection to the subject matter. If the article was only reviewed one or two times with a relisting I'd suggest reopening it, but, it's been relisted three times already and third time is the charm, as [[User:Spartaz]] wrote when they relisted it. |
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:Finally, a piece of unsolicited feedback: I beg you to try to avoid using "deletionist" and "inclusionist" in conversations on Wikipedia and its sister projects. It's not very friendly and does not [[WP:Assume good faith|assume good faith]]. While I don't expect everyone to stop using Wikipedia tropes to call out other editors, I was just disappointed to see you, a veteran editor of 10+ years, tossing around that language here, on my talk page, and in the deletion discussion. I excuse myself from conversations involving that type of language anymore, as you can probably tell by the Drama Llama on my talk page above! Ha! It only makes things more heated and less collaborative and frankly life is too short! But, you aren't here to have me nag...{{smiley|tongue}} Anyway...Thank you for your valuable contributions to Wikipedia and happy holidays! [[User:Missvain|Missvain]] ([[User talk:Missvain#top|talk]]) 16:59, 5 December 2020 (UTC) |
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I'm not bright enough to understand your close here. Would you be so kind as to elaborate? Thanks! 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:53, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
Toba Capital
Hi Missvain - I’m curious how you based your delete decision for Toba Capital on the arguments in the AfD discussion. There was the nomination, two keeps, and two deletes, but plenty of sources demonstrating notability. It clearly passes WP:GNG as the largest venture capital firm in Orange County, CA, and at worst should have been a no consensus. I worry you’re only going to encourage the deletionists, to the detriment of the encyclopedia. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 02:10, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
- Good morning User:Timtempleton! Clearly you are unfamiliar with my work if you are worried about me "encouraging" deletionists! Ha!!
Hehehe...
- Anyway, AfD isn't a vote, so two deletes and two keeps doesn't mean much to me, it's the arguments and the discussions which build consensus. Actually, it's five deletes and three keeps. So, if voting consensus-style is your thing then deletes won. Second, I know you started the article and I know, from my own experience, how aggravating it is when an article I have created was deleted. It's so disappointing and for me, at times, demoralizing.
- I agree with User:HighKing regarding their recognizing of cherry picking bits out of sources. I agree with User:TastyPoutine suggesting that the corporation just be merged into Vinny Smith's article. I also agree with TastyPoutine and User:Wikimandia - largest in the county, etc, doesn't mean anything regarding notability and inclusion in the encyclopedia, OC or not. User:Smallbones is quite knowledgeable and experienced editor wise, and I trust his analysis regarding VC's and corporations. While I don't alway agree with him, we have worked together in person at edit-a-thons and I have come to respect and trust his opinion and knowledge. When folks get frustrated with my decisions (and honestly, at this point, I'm one of less than a handful of admins who seems to venture into AfD both here and on Commons anymore, I guess it's my charitable heart that feels for backlogs! Or maybe it's just OCD
) I always end up suggesting the same thing: Feel free to take it to deletion review if my respond isn't sufficient. I have no emotional connection to the subject matter. If the article was only reviewed one or two times with a relisting I'd suggest reopening it, but, it's been relisted three times already and third time is the charm, as User:Spartaz wrote when they relisted it.
- Finally, a piece of unsolicited feedback: I beg you to try to avoid using "deletionist" and "inclusionist" in conversations on Wikipedia and its sister projects. It's not very friendly and does not assume good faith. While I don't expect everyone to stop using Wikipedia tropes to call out other editors, I was just disappointed to see you, a veteran editor of 10+ years, tossing around that language here, on my talk page, and in the deletion discussion. I excuse myself from conversations involving that type of language anymore, as you can probably tell by the Drama Llama on my talk page above! Ha! It only makes things more heated and less collaborative and frankly life is too short! But, you aren't here to have me nag...
Anyway...Thank you for your valuable contributions to Wikipedia and happy holidays! Missvain (talk) 16:59, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
You know, the reason i (and presumably also some others) voted for "soft redirect" in that AFD was because we wanted to maintain the edit history for future attribution after copying to Wikibooks. That can't be done if you just delete the article outright. In any case, i've created the redirect as proposed. Hopefully you can restore the edit history if possible. Koopinator (talk) 07:57, 5 December 2020 (UTC)