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Hi Michael, Crash48 took the issue to [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Rsk6400]]. [[User:Rsk6400|Rsk6400]] ([[User talk:Rsk6400|talk]]) 17:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC) |
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Wikipedia is celebrating its 15th birthday on January 15, 2016. I have thought for a while that it would be neat to meet some local wikipedians. According to the wikipedians in Winnipeg or Wikipedians in Manitoba category you are one of us. I am contacting people in this category to say: Let's celebrate this milestone. If you know other wikipedians, please ask them to join in as well.
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Hope to see you there! Tenbergen (talk) 04:46, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
One other Winnipeg Wikipedian showed up, in addition to a number of regular skullspace members. It was nice to actually talk to someone else who has worked with Mediawiki and actually "gets" transclusion. Cake was eaten! Tenbergen (talk) 06:37, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
- Aw, apparently I haven't logged in to Wikipedia in over 6 years and I totally missed this message and the event! I guessed I missed any 20 year celebration, too. Let me know if you end up doing a 25 year one. :) Clayton Rumley (talk) 22:52, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
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RFC about decommunized, occupied settlements in Ukraine
The Khrustalnyi RM has gone through, and as we discussed there, we could now start an RFC at UAPLACE to move over all the other minor decommunized settlements. Problem is, I don't really know how to propose an RFC like this, especially at this scale. I don't want to mess up the formatting and just clog the bureaucracy with a malformed proposal. Any suggestions? HappyWith (talk) 18:23, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- RFCs can be fraught. I’m sometimes surprised at what a poor reception an obviously good proposal gets (and occasionally surprised when a potentially controversial one is broadly accepted).
- Another option is to just do a multiple-article move request (like this). This is best if all of the cases are simple and similar to be dealt with as a group (because sometimes a discussion can get hung up on a single exceptional example). But I’ve generally had good results. It’s not too difficult and I’d be glad to initiate the proposal.
- Do you have a list of the candidates to look over? If it is large maybe it can be divided into a few categories to be done in batches, perhaps from more obvious ones that can serve as a precedent for the potentially controversial? —Michael Z. 20:34, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Would this be the full list?: List of Ukrainian toponyms that were changed as part of decommunization in 2016. —Michael Z. 20:36, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- If that's not all of them, I have to assume it's the vast majority. I think a series of multimoves are the way to go, with the discussion on the talk page of WP:UAPLACE. I think we should do only the Donetsk and Luhansk Oblast settlements at first, because I suspect Crimean settlements and raions will be more controversial. HappyWith (talk) 22:16, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- I have seen some editors argue that Crimean settlements should be treated differently, but I have seen no convincing argument for this, given that their status is the same as some settlements in other parts of Ukraine: occupied and illegally claimed as “annexed.” Not sure that passively and preemptively giving in to these demands is the best way to apply the guidelines fairly to this entire group of articles. —Michael Z. 22:26, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, I see the list says that the law specific to places in Crimea (ПВРУ 1352-VIII)[1] has not entered force yet, but looking at the source it looks like it was amended by several other laws. Can you determine whether it is now in force or not? —Michael Z. 22:36, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- I'll take a look at that later, when I can more thoroughly look at sources. In the meantime, I actually noticed that almost none of these Crimean settlements even have wiki articles, and of the ones that do, many of them have already been moved to their decommunized names. HappyWith (talk) 22:49, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- And some of them have been renamed to historical pre-communist names. —Michael Z. 23:00, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Okay, I translated the legal documents, and apparently as recently as last month, the law has been changed from previously specifying that it would come into effect upon recapture of Crimea to instead say the name changes are in effect immediately:
2. In paragraph 2 of the Resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine "On Renaming Individual Settlements and Districts of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the City of Sevastopol" (Vidomosti Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, 2016, No. 23, Article 478) the words "will be temporarily enforced from the moment of return of the occupied territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol under the general jurisdiction of Ukraine" shall be replaced by the words "entered into force from the date of entry into force of the Law of Ukraine "On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of Ukraine Regarding the Resolution of Certain Issues of the Administrative and Territorial System of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea".
- So, I think the name changes are in effect in Ukrainian law now. I'm not 100% sure, as I don't speak Ukrainian and Google Translate may be producing a misleading translation, but I'm pretty sure. HappyWith (talk) 23:12, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- That was my impression too, but I wasn’t confidant that I’d totally untangled all the spaghetti of amendments and interdependent laws. I’ll try to find English or Ukrainian-language news about this to confirm. —Michael Z. 23:29, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Any progress? Either way, I'll see if I can start compiling a list of articles that should be included in the multimove. HappyWith (talk) 18:03, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- I've started an RM for the settlements I think will be least controversial at Talk:Kirovske,_Donetsk_Oblast#Requested_move_25_October_2023. A full list of settlements and entities I found are at.my sandbox. HappyWith (talk) 19:07, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry I’ve been busy IRL. Thanks for making the RM. —Michael Z. 20:50, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
- That was my impression too, but I wasn’t confidant that I’d totally untangled all the spaghetti of amendments and interdependent laws. I’ll try to find English or Ukrainian-language news about this to confirm. —Michael Z. 23:29, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- I'll take a look at that later, when I can more thoroughly look at sources. In the meantime, I actually noticed that almost none of these Crimean settlements even have wiki articles, and of the ones that do, many of them have already been moved to their decommunized names. HappyWith (talk) 22:49, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, I see the list says that the law specific to places in Crimea (ПВРУ 1352-VIII)[1] has not entered force yet, but looking at the source it looks like it was amended by several other laws. Can you determine whether it is now in force or not? —Michael Z. 22:36, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- I have seen some editors argue that Crimean settlements should be treated differently, but I have seen no convincing argument for this, given that their status is the same as some settlements in other parts of Ukraine: occupied and illegally claimed as “annexed.” Not sure that passively and preemptively giving in to these demands is the best way to apply the guidelines fairly to this entire group of articles. —Michael Z. 22:26, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- If that's not all of them, I have to assume it's the vast majority. I think a series of multimoves are the way to go, with the discussion on the talk page of WP:UAPLACE. I think we should do only the Donetsk and Luhansk Oblast settlements at first, because I suspect Crimean settlements and raions will be more controversial. HappyWith (talk) 22:16, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Would this be the full list?: List of Ukrainian toponyms that were changed as part of decommunization in 2016. —Michael Z. 20:36, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
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WP:MOS
I need your help by fixing WP:MOS issues on Alexander Pushkin and Pale of Settlement, by following this one: MOS:OVERLINK and WP:RUSTRESS. 43.247.36.6 (talk) 00:15, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- I’ve removed the stress marks in the second article (not sure about the diacritic in the Hebrew transliteration).
- Which sections specifically are overlooked? —Michael Z. 00:21, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for removing stress marks in Russian words, also remove this flag from infobox per MOS:INFOBOXFLAG. 43.247.36.6 (talk) 00:22, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
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Scope of the Russian category
I really think we should limit our Russian categories to people who are nationals of modern Russia. While there are also ethnic Russians, I do not think that a category should try to merge multiple things together. For this reason I do not think that the Russian Empire categories should be treated as subcategories of the Russian category. Recently people have decided to fight back against this. They have reverted statements that link articles on people who were nationals of the Russian Empire to Russia. They have attacked me for categorizing Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov as a composer from the Russian Empire, even though he was born in, lived in, and died in the Russian Empire. Another editor seems to suggest that we should not place in Russian Empire categories anyone who was alive when it ended in 1917. I think the following. Do you feel these are reasonable views. 1. The Russian Empire was a distinct nation. It had distinct nationals. We should categorize them as such. 2. We mainly categorize people by the nation thry lived in. 3. The Russian Empire was a country that was destroyed. Later the Soviet Union filled a similar space. After the Soviet Union collapsed, Russia has filled a smaller space. 4. The Russian Empire lasted less than 200 years, we should not subdivide its residents into categories by century, since we cannot get 3 by century categories. 4. The Russian categories should be limited to nationals of the current country of Russia.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:47, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Jānis Ilsters
Jānis Ilsters was a resident of the Russian Empire all his life. The whole purpose of the People from the Russian Empire categories was to create a scheme where we could combine articles by the fact that the subjects were nationals of the Russian Empire. It was to avoid endless debates about a person's nationality. Yet my adding Ilsters to a category related to the Russian Empire has been reverted.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:15, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
- Sounds like you’re dealing with specific disputes that I’m not quite aware of.
- I do agree that Russian-empire persons should not be lumped together with Russian-Federation persons as if these were one state. And I agree that there may be a lack of clear consensus on these questions that should be resolved in a coordinated fashion. I do see a general agreement with splitting the many “Russian and Soviet” categories which are likewise poor categorization for several reasons.
- A key part of the solution is to categorize by country, and not only by state. Recalling that the Russian empire was definitely not a “nation,” as you termed it above, nor a nation-state, but a multinational empire. The broader concept of nation and nationality is not the legal one of which state someone is a citizen or subject of. In the empire, imperial identity was promoted and national identity suppressed (including Russian nationality to a degree, and certainly Belarusian and Ukrainian which were not allowed to exist as distinct from Russian). But the colonial era is over, and we do not categorize people as imperial persons, or at least we are still in the process of decolonization and trying not to (as the recognition of imperial Russia and the USSR as colonial has come late, for specific reasons in Western historiography).[2]
- This is a trend I see in sources, often by clearly identifying their subjects’ place of birth, cultural heritage, place of activity, self-identification, and other details as are significant to their own identity. For example, look at Britannica’s bio of Gogol.[3] If you pay attention, you may notice it is largely about his close relationship with Russian literature, but nowhere does it refer to him as Russian (adj) or a Russian (n), because he was not Russian, but a member of the petty Ukrainian gentry from Ukraine. —Michael Z. 15:08, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
Notability of Ge with dot below
Hi Michael. Ge with dot below came across my radar while doing NPP. I see that you've nominated similar articles for deletion and wanted to apprise you of this article if you believe it's not notable. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:09, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up. It is dubious that that is a separate letter belonging to an alphabet, but more likely just the use of a dot under a regular Cyrillic letter. But I don’t know Arabic, and I don’t know about Cyrillization of Arabic, so have no way of evaluating it as a valid subject. —Michael Z. 04:12, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks, Michael. I'll bring it to the WikiProject Writing systems talk page. voorts (talk/contributions) 04:23, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
Crash48 opened an arbitration case without informing you
Hi Michael, @Crash48 opened a case at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Ukrainian_language in which they accuse both you and me of POV-pushing, but it seems that they didn't inform you. I feel that the case will probably come to nothing because it doesn't meet the requirements, but since I have absolutely no experience with arbitration, I thought I should inform you. I'm not sure whether I should reply there or make better use of my time. Rsk6400 (talk) 14:32, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. I just saw this and I see the request has been declined already. Will read it over so I’m aware of what’s up. —Michael Z. 16:31, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- Ah, I see there’s one decline vote, so far. The statements seem to have a fair view of the situation, and I will follow. Please inform me if any further action regarding this arises at ANI or elsewhere. Thanks for the head-up. —Michael Z. 16:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- FYI: They started Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Ukrainian_language. I'll inform you as soon as anything happens there. Rsk6400 (talk) 07:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
Spam article recreation
I looks like the spam articles from a former group AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A with acute (Cyrillic) you were the nom for are being recreated. Hope you are well, greetings from Los Angeles. I don't have experience with the topic, so I will leave it to you/others. // Timothy :: talk 09:28, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. Ugh. I have posted a request for advice at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Deleted article recreated. —Michael Z. 14:40, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
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New development: "Ukrainian language"
Hi Michael, Crash48 took the issue to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Rsk6400. Rsk6400 (talk) 17:14, 24 December 2023 (UTC)