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:That's pretty impressive, and it's important to preserve the material. You've done well to assemble this, I wish more people did it. That said, such a site wouldn't meet RS requirements, at least not for peer-reviewed, GA or FA status, unless you've established a reputation in the field by getting published by a third party. [[WP:SPS]] is the relevant link. It could be linked to as an EL, I think. You ''could'' use the original sourcing if it met RS. That's not to question the veracity of the information, nor your good faith and diligence: far from it. It's just that so often we have the opposite problem of someone publishing poorly researched or opinionated material from their own website that it tends to exclude self-published material that's perfectly fine. '''<font face="Arial">[[User:Acroterion|<font color="black">Acroterion</font>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<font color="gray">(talk)</font>]]</small></font>''' 22:35, 9 May 2012 (UTC) |
:That's pretty impressive, and it's important to preserve the material. You've done well to assemble this, I wish more people did it. That said, such a site wouldn't meet RS requirements, at least not for peer-reviewed, GA or FA status, unless you've established a reputation in the field by getting published by a third party. [[WP:SPS]] is the relevant link. It could be linked to as an EL, I think. You ''could'' use the original sourcing if it met RS. That's not to question the veracity of the information, nor your good faith and diligence: far from it. It's just that so often we have the opposite problem of someone publishing poorly researched or opinionated material from their own website that it tends to exclude self-published material that's perfectly fine. '''<font face="Arial">[[User:Acroterion|<font color="black">Acroterion</font>]] <small>[[User talk:Acroterion|<font color="gray">(talk)</font>]]</small></font>''' 22:35, 9 May 2012 (UTC) |
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:::I concur I woud need to use pieces that are verifiable by a third party source. I watched my town die, it was hard and now, I have the means to preserve, in an encyclopedic manner or virtual manner the places. I think thats fine by me. I will start little by little and will of course be open to any and all suggestions to keep within the guidelines here[[User:Coal town guy|Coal town guy]] ([[User talk:Coal town guy|talk]]) 00:32, 10 May 2012 (UTC) |
:::I concur I woud need to use pieces that are verifiable by a third party source. I watched my town die, it was hard and now, I have the means to preserve, in an encyclopedic manner or virtual manner the places. I think thats fine by me. I will start little by little and will of course be open to any and all suggestions to keep within the guidelines here[[User:Coal town guy|Coal town guy]] ([[User talk:Coal town guy|talk]]) 00:32, 10 May 2012 (UTC) |
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Remember this article? It was discussed at ANI or AN (can't remember). Some thought it should be stubbed it was such an unholy mess. You [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Urbanism&diff=490299555&oldid=490299392 tagged it]. Anyway, I've been idly watching it for a while now, and no one has taken the kind of action that should (in my view) be taken. I thought of stubbing it, but decided just to remove any sections (in some cases pieces of sections) that were completely unsourced. I was doing them one by one but without realizing that others were adding them back in. So, I stopped. Any suggestions on how to deal with this article (that doesn't entail a lot of work because I'm honestly not interested in spending a lot of time on it)? Thanks.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 01:11, 12 May 2012 (UTC) |
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Thank you...
Just worked how to read your reports. Tried furiously to understand how to report this behaviour, being new to it.
I shall make note of your comments, and read a little more about what to do before I take on the heavy handed tactics of others who incite ill-feeling. Cheers
Nickeroo (talk) 14:11, 15 March 2012 (UTC)Nickeroo
- The 3RR noticeboard is remarkably difficult to use, thanks to Wikipedia's archaic editing interface. I've protected the Stynes article for a month and will keep an eye on it, along with the George Negus article (which hasn't seen problems) and the article on Ben Roberts-Smith. Please feel free to ask questions here if you need help: I'm on US East Coast time. Acroterion (talk) 14:15, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Guidance
Hello Acroterion, there is a discussion occurring on Talk:Kitáb-i-Aqdas regarding a user adding his understanding of primary religious sources. His interpretation of the material go against the secondary source material on the topic. All of the sources on the page are from non-Baha'i reliable sources. However, he's going on with that his understanding should go in, even when there is no secondary source backing it up, and when it goes against the currently sourced material, coming from academic journals. However, that's not the real point. He also continues to use personal attacks, and doesn't assume good faith. I've been civil with him, and even after asking to stop he continues to attack. For example, he has stated:
- "Says the Baha'i Lord of the Wiki Aqdas Information-Control Projec"
- ""damage control" spin doctoring statements"
- "a coverup by Wilmette-Haifa Baha'i partisans"
- and others.
In fact, I've been saying Baha'i sources cannot be used either [1] [2] What are your thoughts on this process. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 03:58, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
- Without first looking at the editor and the issue, religious topics are particularly prominent places where anything other than direct quotation from a religious text should be sourced to a secondary academic source, to prevent personal interpretations from creeping in, the quotes above being prime examples of the kind of partisan sniping that can result. I'll have a look at what's going on. Acroterion (talk) 04:11, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note. Can you keep on eye on the discussions, and include any feedback there to keep the discussion constructive, on both my part and his part. Having a third-party in the discussion can hopefully lead to some consensus making. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 06:04, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Double standard for Baha'is and their "Kitab-i-Aaqdas" page?
The following is a false report:
"a user adding his understanding of primary religious sources."
I have never entered any interpretation or "understanding" but simply cited facts about the Kitab-i-Aqdas. When I wrote that the text levies a fine, in gold, for adultery, that was written in the narrative style of other editors, and a fact. But activists deleted this fact. (It now has been allowed to remain.) Is that "adding my understanding?" No comments or analysis were made by me. It appears that he deletes both direct quotes from the text, plus correct narrative descriptions of the text -- if he does not want a fact revealed. He is free to post his secondary source explanations. My impression thus far is that the page has been functioning as a kind of "coverup" of the Kitab-i-Aqdas.
"where anything other than direct quotation from a religious text should be sourced to a secondary academic source,"
Mind you it's "direct quotations from [the] text that he has an issue with -- even from his favored translation. No matter how slight or minor the quotation. (I am glad you acknowledge it is normative on Wiki pages about religious texts for the text to be quoted.)
Wiki pages on the Buddhist Lotus Sutra, the Tao Te Ching, the Gospel of Matthew, and the Mundaka Upanishad -- are abundant with quotations from these scriptures. (Primary source.) How can a religious text receive exposition with no quotations of primary source material? It doesn't appear to be the norm on other Wiki pages that deal with religious texts.
As to being nice to the Baha'i activists here, I'll try. But I don't think Baha'is should have a double standard or be able to cover up their texts on Wikipedia pages about those texts.
SUMMARY:
I've not been interpreting or commenting. But simply giving information about the contents of the Kitab-i-Aqdas, and some of its most interesting contents by the way. It was remarkable how much was MISSING from that page on the subject of the Kitab-i-Aqdas before I got there. --Mentious (talk) 06:59, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
- If the viewpoint you're trying to advance has credence among religious scholars, you should have no trouble obtaining appropriate secondary sourcing from scholarly sources. As you know, primary religious texts can have varying interpretations and translations: some may be universally agreed upon, many others are not. You also appear to be trying to make a point: claiming a "cover-up" is not a good way to gain consensus or to persuade me that you're acting in good faith. I'd be concerned about the neutrality or interest in constructive engagement of anyone who titles a section about a religion as you have done above. Acroterion (talk) 13:27, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Hello
I'm trying to get people who are willing to help me out with a pet project I've begun but realised that it will be extremely hard for me to even make a small dent in. First of all, I got your name from the list of active members on the wikiproject for mining articles. Please disregard this, if you're not interested.
So, here's what I'm trying to do and what you could do to help me. I noticed that there were very few articles that list mines. I've tried (to the best of my abilities) to create a sub-page that lists all of the probable articles for lists of mines that I could think of, you can review this here.
Basically, I need help. Suggestions on different lists to add, I need lists created, if the lede I've been using should be changed, I'd like community consensus on the standard layout (I've been going with listing articles like List of gold mines by country and List of mines in the United States by output. If someone would like to make templates for these articles.
Please, don't feel obligated. I came to you, and others like you because of your implied interest in mining articles. List articles are not exactly in everyone's taste. If you are completely uninterested, but think you might know someone who might be, please let them know about it. I could use all the help I can get.
Oh, and if you happen to create any new articles on mines, please add them to any of my recently created lists. Sorry for this being so wordy, have a good day and happy editing! Ncboy2010 (talk) 22:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
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The Voice UK.
As your an adminisrator, could you do a history merge from User:MayhemMario/sandbox:The Voice UK to the main article, The Voice UK. Many thanks, MayhemMario 17:56, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
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Talk:Pedophilia
I reverted a troll comment at Talk:Pedophilia (that editor was soon indeffed). I noticed that you "changed visibility of a revision on page Talk:Pedophilia: content hidden (RD3: Purely disruptive material)" (thanks).
A few hours later, a misguided editor undid my revert quoting WP:TPO (lol!). I'm curious how that was technically possible—how can a revision deleted change be visible in the history, and restored to the article? I note that if I click "undo" next to my edit in the talk page history, I can see the troll post in the resulting page.
While I'm curious about this, it's not a big deal to me and if that's how it works, fine. However, I thought I should mention it in case it is a bug that should be raised elsewhere. Thanks. Johnuniq (talk) 22:50, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yikes, sounds like a bug to me. And yikes again, that Robo37 thinks his action was justifiable. I was able to reproduce your preview myself, until I redacted the reversion, etc. Perhaps the revdel was interrupted before it dealt with the other diffs? Strange. Acroterion (talk) 01:18, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Found the problem: I normally revdel the Sinebot, but was in a hurry and didn't pick it up too. User error. Acroterion (talk) 03:06, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, but that raises more questions which I'll add to my mysteries box (if a revision is suppressed, why would failing to suppress the Sinebot edit allow the suppressed revision to be seen by an undo? I see that the Sinebot revision would include the bad text, but that wasn't what was displayed). Don't worry about it (no reply needed). If I get really curious, I'll raise it at WP:VPT, but I have lots of other RL stuff to ponder. Johnuniq (talk) 03:24, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
- I don't recall whether my reproduction of the problem showed the Sinebot sig too. Perhaps I'll do some experimentation with something non-libelous and see if I can reproduce it. Like you, I've got other fish to fry, though. I already brought it up at VP/T. Acroterion (talk) 03:28, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
Baltimore Nationla Heritage Area
Thank you for working on the Baltimore National Heritage Area site. I have been meaning to work on it for a while, but I am waiting for some internal planning documents to become public (hopefully this summer). Do you have a specific interest in the heritage area? Happy to provide any resources if you wanted to do more work on the page.
Thanks - Jason (jvaughan@baltimoreheritagearea.org) Maestro21113 (talk) 21:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for noticing! I've been adding information of National Heritage Areas in general, since there's not much coverage on Wikipedia. The problem is that they're poorly defined, more like marketing associations rather than a traditional parks, and I've been feeling my way along. Given the broad range of scopes, from individual sites to the entire state of Tennessee, it's hard to be very consistent. It's also possible to get very bogged down in the details in this sort of thing. Any expansion or enhancement you may wish to contribute would be greatly appreciated.
- As for Baltimore,specifically, I live nearby and have provided a lot of photographs around Baltimore, most particularly of local architecture. Acroterion (talk) 21:39, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Nuttalburg WV
Thanks for updating the Nuttalburg WV page. It is indeed a ghost town. I have done nothing but rearch coal towns in WV for about 10 years and hope to add MANY more town names.......ANY suggestions or help would be GREATLY appreciated.Coal town guy (talk) 15:26, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Coal camps in Raleigh County, West Virginia. town of Sophia
LOVE the article, however, I have a few questions. Sophia was never a coal town, did you want to create a sub category of towns that were in a coalfield, but were not a coal town? Also, I have a few towns I could add and many to link, may I do so? Coal town guy (talk) 15:37, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- Answering both above: I've added articles on National Register of Historic Places districts like Nuttallburg, Kay Moor and Thurmond. More recently, I've been doing some work with the National Coal Heritage Area: they were the source for the coal camps, as can be seen on the reference, but as with everything else, more verification is often needed, so Sophia might not be appropriately included. You may certainly add towns: ghost towns are poorly covered, as are unincorporated communities. I was looking at a way to consolidate the Nuttallburg Historic District into your article, since the place name should have precedence over the district. I'll do that when I get a chance. Links are great too. Let me know if you need help. You might also want to look in at the ghost towns wikiproject. Acroterion (talk) 16:47, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
92.15.130.189 block
Hi Acroterion, just wondering why you've blocked this IP, and why for "Long term abuse". I can't see evidence of this (or is this a sock?). --Simon the Likable (talk) 15:54, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- It's the latest incarnation of an IP who's been trying to blow the lid off the Kennedy Assassination for the last 18 months or so via a series of IPs from that range (Carphone Warehouse in the UK). They change IPs every week or so, and I dutifully block them. They've been disruptive in the past, posting a great deal of soapboxing and wasting editors' time, despite a long series of cautions and warnings by myself and others. The range is too big to block without collateral damage. Acroterion (talk) 16:41, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Need Help with Smoke Hole West Virginia Article
Acroterion, I received some Wiki postings that the page on Smoke Hole, West Virginia may be challenged, I have provided a link to a pic of the Smoke Hole post office, as well as a listing in the WV Culture and History Place names. I also own a Smoke Hole West Virginia Postmark....It is a Ghost Town, WHAT Can I do to prove it was real??? There is little if any more documentation on this place. SHOUL I just place it under a Ghost town Heading in a template??? I have also started to add USGS GNIS data for all of the locations I am able to and have added. I see that this is a accepted reference. Does this solve the question?? Coal town guy (talk) 14:37, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- I've removed the tags since you've referenced it. All towns are notable, of whatever size, and notability isn't temporary. Once a place has existed, it's eligible for coverage, whether it presently has a population or not. Acroterion (talk) 16:55, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Why revert my fix for the incorrect "Police Prostitution and Politics" link?
Hi Acroterion,
Regarding: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._Brosnahan
I'm wondering what I missed when I fixed this link: "INTIMATE PARTNER VIOLENCE BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENTS- O.I.I.P.V.". Police Prostitution and Politics
fixing it from this (the same link '"Public deserves answers in cop crime"' link/citation below it):
http://bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view/20220228public_deserves_answers_in_cop_crime
to:
The "police prostitution and politics" page does nothing but link to a lowellsun page that has been removed: http://www.lowellsun.com/ci_19516341.
Still, why revert my fix?
Thanks,
Silkybones
- "Fixing" a link from the Boston Herald to an obviously partisan source isn't acceptable. In point of fact, the Boston Herald's editorials aren't acceptable sourcing either, now that I look at it, since op-ed rarely is, except to establish a statement of opinion. Does "policeprostitutionandpolitics.com" seem like an appropriate source for an encyclopedia article to you? Acroterion (talk) 17:51, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
Disruptive Editing Accusations
Please refrain from all these accusations. I have hit 3RR, but my editing is not disruptive-it is necessary as the page has a biased viewpoint.--Rwenonah (talk) 21:57, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
- I disagree: you appear to be aggressively pursuing a particular point of view, having been warned and blocked for the same thing last year under another account. Acroterion (talk) 22:03, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
So do you and your friend, so I hardly think you can accuse me.--Rwenonah (talk) 20:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
About Shiraz
Dear Colleague,
Nayeb Dooghi and Heshmat Deraz are two famous and notable characters in Shiraz known to every one. Please leave them there.
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.56.211.226 (talk) 16:30, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Sorry, no. If you continue you may have both your IP and named account blocked. Acroterion (talk) 16:45, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Ghost Towns and definitions
Hey There- I did indeed join the Ghiost Town WIKI Project, and there does not seem to be an agreed upon descriptor or category for towns that are blindingly obvious to be a Ghost town. Does a town that has ceased to physicaklkly exist qualify as a Ghost Town? Is there a Caegory I can add so that all Wiki folk agree, yup, thats a Ghost Town? Additionally, I have been extensively editing references for Wv coal towns, LOTS of work to do. Let me know how I can helpCoal town guy (talk) 16:46, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Claiming no particular consensus, my definition of a ghost town would be an uninhabited or nearly uninhabited settlement with some remaining structures. A place with no extant structures or just foundations would be more along the lines of an abandoned settlement, though others' mileage may vary. I'd suggest that a distinction be made in categorizing the places, as the former is still a townscape of some kind, while the latter is closer to an archeological site. Acroterion (talk) 16:51, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Sounds like there is still no specific category, and yes, I concur with your points, they are all valid. If I understand then, until there is a concensus, no viable categoires will be ready in the near futureCoal town guy (talk) 19:56, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Well, either you or I can be bold and create a category for "Abandoned settlements". Acroterion (talk) 20:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Can you tell me how to do that? I am a NEW Wikipedian, and it would be great to have a correct category like this. Many of the coal towns I have been updating, are abandoned and dis assembled and become new towns at a different location.VERY Interesting stuffCoal town guy (talk) 20:30, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, there's already a category: Category:Former populated places in West Virginia, which should do nicely. You just insert [[Category:Former populated places in West Virginia]] at the very bottom of the page. If you look at the category you'll see that it's a subcategory of others, and on and up. Acroterion (talk) 20:38, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- A Most Excellent Idea!! Thanks very much!!Coal town guy (talk) 02:12, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- Can you tell me how to do that? I am a NEW Wikipedian, and it would be great to have a correct category like this. Many of the coal towns I have been updating, are abandoned and dis assembled and become new towns at a different location.VERY Interesting stuffCoal town guy (talk) 20:30, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Well, either you or I can be bold and create a category for "Abandoned settlements". Acroterion (talk) 20:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Your message
Dear Colleague,
My edit is not violating wikipedia. Nayeb dooghi and Heshmat deraz are known to all Shirazi people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fact46 (talk • contribs) 16:54, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Then they should have articles about them that are sourced to major publications indicating notability. Since they do not, I'm forced to conclude that you're just trying to make a joke at Wikipedia's expense. Acroterion (talk) 17:08, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
PharmPods Page
We are trying to add PhaemPods to the Wikipedia site. We are getting flagged as unambiguous advertising. Is there another solution to getting our page up. PharmPods offers a true revolution in the vertical farming space. As vertical farming becomes more common, the public will seek answers. PharmPods and FusionPharm is on the forefront of the vertical farming space and would love to use this database to educate the public. Please advise of recommended solutions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.139.123 (talk) 23:06, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
- Wikipedia isn't a "database", it's an encyclopedia. Your contribution is being deleted because you're trying to advertise, which is not permitted in this or any encyclopedia. Acroterion (talk) 23:24, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Gauzeandchess (talk · contribs) is misusing the talk page again, this time on Talk:Gary Webb. Any ideas on how to proceed? Viriditas (talk) 09:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- I left a note at Talk:Gary Webb and will escalate if the digressions continue. Acroterion (talk) 11:41, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for your help. Viriditas (talk) 22:15, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
MLK
my edit is hist correct--109.252.242.22 (talk) 12:56, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- Please discuss it on the article's talkpage: Wikipedia's manual of style generally avoids the term "negro." Acroterion (talk) 12:59, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Coal Towns and Coal Fields
I took a very good hard look at the Categories for Coal Towns and Fields, I think I can get these in order, HOWEVER, I need to get your opinion, there is NO agreed upon definition of a coal town and this will lead to some consternation. Is there a place where I can start a discussion and try to get a concensus on the definition of a coal town???? In my experience and opinion, the current definition on Wikipedia is at best, incomplete and at worst, incorrect.Additionally, there are Facebook groups (gasp) which are composed of former coal town residents who could possibly be a good primary data source for these towns as some of them are totally wiped off of the earth. As always, I will follow what Wikipedia suggests, and of course, your opinion and guidance is most appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 13:39, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not sure where to start, apart from maybe WP:USA and WP:MINING. My personal definition is a community based solely on supporting a mine or mines, with no other economic activity, often a company town. As for sourcing, remember that Wikipedia doesn't admit primary sourcing for the most part: you need to rely on published secondary sources, since WP is a tertiary source. You can, of course, use such material to guide your research. Acroterion (talk) 02:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- For someone whose Grandfather was a coal miner, I can kinda answer this. A town in "Coal Country" where coal mining is the primary employment is a "Coal Town", while the areas between towns are "Coal Fields". The name for "Coal Fields" comes from the fact that you can literally walk through a field, dig with a hand spade a foot or two down and find a coal rock. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:34, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- Yup, although the towns tended to be jammed into ravines (like Thurmond or Kay Moor, so that the town got what was left over in the flat space next to the river after the railroad went by, with houses straggling up the hillside, and a mine entrance someways up the hill where the seam could be conveniently accessed without a vertical shaft, letting coal go down the hill to the tipples and into the rail cars. Part of my family was (and some still are) from McDowell County, West Virginia and Tazewell County, Virginia. Acroterion (talk) 02:40, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- Much appreciated, mine were from Summers and Raleigh and Mercer Counties in WV. I tend to agree tha the sole purpose of a coal town was the provision of a habitated area for a dedicated work force whose sole purpose was to mine coal. Even then, thgere are slight variances. I am looking at some books I hae here and they are rather good for referencing...Feedback is greatly appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 03:10, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thurmond and Kay Moor were more "Company Towns", where everything (outside the Post Office) was owned and controlled by the local coal company. The houses were either owned by the company or sold by the company, the store, the gas station and any other business was owned by the coal company. So, essentially, when people got the check cashed (at a bank that was controlled by the coal company), their money went right back into that very same coal company.
- Much appreciated, mine were from Summers and Raleigh and Mercer Counties in WV. I tend to agree tha the sole purpose of a coal town was the provision of a habitated area for a dedicated work force whose sole purpose was to mine coal. Even then, thgere are slight variances. I am looking at some books I hae here and they are rather good for referencing...Feedback is greatly appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 03:10, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- Yup, although the towns tended to be jammed into ravines (like Thurmond or Kay Moor, so that the town got what was left over in the flat space next to the river after the railroad went by, with houses straggling up the hillside, and a mine entrance someways up the hill where the seam could be conveniently accessed without a vertical shaft, letting coal go down the hill to the tipples and into the rail cars. Part of my family was (and some still are) from McDowell County, West Virginia and Tazewell County, Virginia. Acroterion (talk) 02:40, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- For someone whose Grandfather was a coal miner, I can kinda answer this. A town in "Coal Country" where coal mining is the primary employment is a "Coal Town", while the areas between towns are "Coal Fields". The name for "Coal Fields" comes from the fact that you can literally walk through a field, dig with a hand spade a foot or two down and find a coal rock. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:34, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- The standard definition of a "Coal Town" is a town like Big Stone Gap, Virginia or Bayard, West Virginia, were good portion of the people work in coal mining. Anywhere in Southwestern Virginia, Eastern Kentucky, Southern, Western, and Northwestern West Virginia and Southwest Pennsylvania, you will find that a large portion of the population works in coal mining. Now, granted, as we move into 21st Century, that is becoming less and less of the only source of employment (especially with the dangers). Though in some parts of those areas, it still is....or it is the source of the highest paying employment. In those areas, you will find "Coal Towns". The days of the "Company Town" are long gone. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- Agreed. There are abberations within any supplied Scholarly work on defining a coal town. Even remote places could be either HUGE, Glen Rogers in Raleigh County for example or even historic, Jenkinjones in McDowell County also comes to mind.Coal town guy (talk) 14:43, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
- The standard definition of a "Coal Town" is a town like Big Stone Gap, Virginia or Bayard, West Virginia, were good portion of the people work in coal mining. Anywhere in Southwestern Virginia, Eastern Kentucky, Southern, Western, and Northwestern West Virginia and Southwest Pennsylvania, you will find that a large portion of the population works in coal mining. Now, granted, as we move into 21st Century, that is becoming less and less of the only source of employment (especially with the dangers). Though in some parts of those areas, it still is....or it is the source of the highest paying employment. In those areas, you will find "Coal Towns". The days of the "Company Town" are long gone. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Good news for Smoke Hole, West Virginia
Hey- Thought I would let you know that I was able to upload my Smoke Hole, West Virginia Postmark and add it to the page. Regardless of the GNIS data, we have proof positive of a community.Thanks again for your help on this articleCoal town guy (talk) 14:40, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Bio
why delete? i am a real person with an organization on merseyside? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louiegriffin1 (talk • contribs) 13:13, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, you don't appear to be notable. See WP:BIO, as well as WP:AUTOBIO: autobiographies are strongly discouraged. It's also an entirely unsourced biography, which is subject to non-speedy deletion. Acroterion (talk) 13:18, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
IP: 75.10.101.32
The IP has continued to edit war on hip hop page after the 48 hour block. -Cntras (talk) 11:26, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
FYI, I think you used the wrong block rationale here. Calabe1992 23:12, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
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Berean Hunter
"A couple of points: Berean Hunter isn't an administrator, and Rwenonah has been edit-warring with a number of other editors over the past year. I'm trying to help Rwenonah to understand the problem with his edits and you're not helping by dragging your apparent grudge against Berean Hunter into an unrelated matter. Please try to assume good faith. Your issue with BH appears to be a minor misunderstanding that has gotten blown out of proportion: [s]he has the right to remove material on [her] userpage if [s]he wishes. " - Acroterion (talk) 13:38, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
- As do I. (hence the reason I moved your comment here) I will assume good faith to the point that you are probably a decent admin, most of the time, but here you are clearly jumping in without being informed or impartial. The "minor misunderstanding" was both created and "blown out of proportion" by Berean Hunter. She made a mistake, compounded it by making another, then made a fool out of herself by trying to blame it on me. She has since gone and tried to delete everything and anything related to the incident to cover it up.
Now I see an Edit War going on with Rwenoah, and you jumping in with a clear bias. I see no action taken against your little girlfriend "BH", while at the same time you and your admin buddies seem to continually punish Rwenoah without really providing clear reasoning, or responding to any of the counter-complaints that Rwenoah has brought forward. (yes, punish, as in "go sit in the corner and think about what you did!")
We all appreciate the work you admins do, but you need to try to stick to the principles you preach. Wikipedia should be a meritocracy, administered with total neutrality and transperency, else it become an insulated, dictatorial, cronyistic regime.
Good day. Thewolfchild (talk) 21:43, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
- Attempting to conflate issues and fabricate things now. Trying to interfere by instigating on an article talk page. I'll take his last comment here as confirming the account as a trolling sock.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 00:57, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- @ B.H.'s B.S. - Do you even bother to read what you write before you hit "save page"? All you did was was support my points with your citations. Yes, I made an error, an instead of trying to blame it on others, and then delete everything to cover it up, (like some people - >ahem< Berean Hunter >cough!< >cough!<...) I simply added an edit to correct my error. Thank you for showing that. Then there's your cite with my request that you review and adhere to the policies of Wikipedia. The request I posted right after your insult at another user. Thanks again. (While we're at it, here's another page for ya': Hypocrisy)
- Basically, BH, your attitude sucks. It's counter-productive, and no matter how much you contribute (or think you do) to Wikipedia, the site doesn't need people like you. You are arrogant, crass and lacking in personal responsibility. You are a liar. You continually make a fool out of yourself with your pseudo-intellectualism and ridiculous taunts. "Trolling sock"? (are you joking? you must be joking... right?) Show one iota of proof that I'm a "troll", or "sock". Otherwise, please be quiet. - Thewolfchild (talk) 05:45, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
- @Thewolfchild: Yes, I have a clear bias at Hunting. I'm not willing to see it turned into a badly-sourced manifesto instead of a middle-of-the-road article on hunting. You'll note that I've taken no administrative action there, since I've been involved in the editing (or at least in the objection to the attempted POV), but that doesn't prevent me from referring returning edit-warrior editors to the edit-warring noticeboards, nor does it prevent me from warning editors with an axe to grind that they're not helping anyone, including the person who's been blocked four times now for edit-warring. Wikipedia isn't a place to right great wrongs, and you seem to be principally concerned with ad hominem arguments, conspiracies, and attacks on the "regime." Acroterion (talk) 01:12, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- @Acroterion: No... I mean bias in your handling of this BH vs. Rwenoah nonsense. I reviewed the history of the Hunting page. Rwenoah is no more right or wrong than BH. The items that were being deleted were not properly sourced. (hence the reason I've since added "citation needed" to them). Perhaps they should not have been arbitrarily, and repeatedly removed, they were also repeatedly replaced. Meaning both Rwenoah and BH were guilty of edit warring. And since I didn't see you take any action to correct or improve the article, as an admin, you basically dropped the ball. I don't see where previous infractions on the part of Rwenoah make him any more right or wrong in this particular case, nor do they excuse the equally (if not more) inappropriate conduct on the part of BH. If you're going to take action as an admin, then that action should be balanced and neutral. It wasn't. As for the Hunting soap-box, er, I mean 'page', it is in need of correction. It is slanted in support of hunting as a sport. It should be more neutral, or include views opposed to hunting on an equal basis (wiki 101).
- - As for "Wikipedia isn't a place to right great wrongs" - is that Wikipedia's policy, or your own personal philosophy? I would argue that the very nature of Wikipedia calls for constant correction and improvement. The reason we have public access edit functionality, talk pages, history pages, etc, etc, is so that if something is wrong, it can be righted (res ipsa loquitur).
- - My arguments are not "ad hominem", they are subject-based, with perhaps an undertone of sarcasm. (Something Berean Hunter has a great deal of trouble with. Perhaps when she gets to high school, she'll learn some basic rhetoric)
- - If you and at least one other admin conspire to take action against someone, then that is a conspiracy. (But relax, it's not like I'm accusing you of killing JFK or anything...)
- - Please try to keep my comments in context if your are going to "quote" me. I am not attacking Wikipedia as a regime. I was, in fact, defending the principles of Wikipedia against those admins who would treat it like a regime, with their self-serving, egotistical, condescending, fascist attitudes (and, no... that's not directed at you personally).
- - Have a nice day. - Thewolfchild (talk) 06:49, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
- What have you been going on about? You warp so much that you don't have a grasp on reality.
- On Dec. 4, Thewolfchild substituted a victim's middle name in place of his last name. I reverted back to the correct last name with an edit summary "Rv" and left a level 1 warning on Thewolfchild's talk page. Subsequently, Thewolfchild makes a correction in the entry where the middle and last names were incorrectly reversed. This edit was not reverted.
- Thewolfchild then left this version of what happened on my talk page. I responded that I believed he had made a good faith mistake (having seen the one he corrected). He replied placing the order of events differently with "While I was correcting the initial error that caused the problem in the first place, you jumped in with you revisions and accusations without even knowing what you were talking about." Not accepting this twist of reality, I replied "Right. You made a good faith mistake and I corrected it." He replied and I answered his last question in the affirmative by removing the thread with the edit summary "yep".
- After a lengthy hiatus from editing, Thewolfchild returns April 4 with this rendition of what happened on his talk page. He decided to leave this comment in a thread that had nothing to do with him on my talk page. I removed it so Thewolfchild decided to carry this forward to the talk page of a now-blocked editor with this post. Thewolfchild then proceeded to refactor my comments left in December on his talk page.
- Ever since, he seems to be here for bearing a grudge. I could care less what rock he has crawled out from under but this is a long time troll socking and I don't see any merit from the pathos. His "recollections" don't square up with what happened.
- Should this go to ANI?
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 13:41, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
- Should this go to ANI?
- @Wolfchild: As I previously stated, Rwenonah's efforts to make hunting into an anti-hunting manifesto are inappropriate and contrary to policy on several fronts, and he has been appropriately sanctioned for that on more than one occasion. Other editors, including myself, are permitted and encouraged to deal with these issues appropriately in accordance with the fundamental principles of Wikipedia. If we encounter such behavior that we can't deal with on our own, we report it to those who can. As I stated, I have not taken any actions on this subject as an administrator. You appear to be motivated by animosity toward a single editor, and appear to be stirring the pot to further a grudge, which I consider disruptive. You have a very short tenure here to be complaining about "self-serving, egotistical, condescending, fascist attitudes", since it appears that you've not been on the receiving end of such behavior from administrators. You appear to be confounding "collaborative" (as in a collaboratively-written encyclopedia) with "conspiracy," which is something you'll have to work out on your own. And yes, Wikipedia isn't a place to right great wrongs (i.e., advocacy of a cause): see WP:GREATWRONGS.
- @Berean Hunter: Thewolfchild isn't doing Rwenonah any favors at the moment, who I think is at least sincere if misguided about sourcing and NPOV. I think it's worth bringing up at ANI, since it appears that we're not getting through, and the personal attacks directed at you combine with the Godwin's Law invocation don't give me much hope that you and I will make much of a difference. I'm tied up for a while, but can add my 2p a bit later. Acroterion (talk) 13:57, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
- BH, you can harp away about the Zodiac page all you like, it just shows you are missing the point. I have been critical of you because of your holier-than-thou attiude. You criticize users for their edits, yet you will then go and edit in the same fashion that you have just condemned. You have no problem throwing insults about, then crying about an ANI for any slight that comes back at you. You delete anything that doesn't suit you, then you try to selectively cite pages and comments in a manner that does. When will realize that you are in a glass house, my friend? Bring on an ANI if you want but, EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY should be looked at...
- Acro, as an admin, I expect more from you. I'm not here to do "any favours" for Rwenonah. (geez, I've been spelling that wrong. Sorry Rwen...) I couldn't care less about hunting, or the hunting page. But I stand by my position that you could've hanldled it better (as well as BH and Rwen). You allowed an edit war to go on, and instead of trying to mediate the issue, and perhaps find a solution, you jumped in an took one side over another, based on your personal preferences. As an admin, I don't think that's acceptable. As a user, I feel I have the right to criticize you, as long as my criticisms are respectful, which I feel they have been. I have not insulted you (or any other admin). I will again ask that you keep my comments in context. I have not "confounded collaborative with conspiracy". Since you seem to be confused on the issue however, perhaps you should re-read my comments. Also, ascerting that certain conduct on behalf of admins (in general) should be avoided for the benefit of this site, is not the same as accusing an admin (any admin) of said conduct. Therefore, Godwin's Law was not "invoked". Please remember, that I'm responding to your comments. I haven't done or said anything more, less or much different that you or BH. Please consider that before you threaten to "limit my tenure". (and... just what "difference" did you "hope" to make anyway? Just what are you trying to "get through" to me?) We simply have opposing opinions, but you seem to have a presumption of righteousness, just because you're an admin. I have not been involved in any edit wars or vandalism, my account is not a "sock" and I stand by everything I have said. So, please, go ahead and call the wiki-police, I'm ready...
- - thewolfchild 15:43, 12 April 2012 (UTC) - (and once again, have a nice day)
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Deletion of Vashishta narayan under G10
In the first line, it was stated that he is the greatest mathematician of all time and there were other eulogies also inspite of negativeveness. G10 means entirely negative in tone so was it proper to delete it under g10 rather than g3? Please clarify Yasht101 17:54, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- Apart from what you quote, which is in itself debatable, the remainder of the article was unrelievedly negative and on balance it was a negative biography of a living individual; vandalism was equally acceptable as a rationale, and I'm not one to spend much time quibbling about 1% of a deleted article. Acroterion (talk) 18:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
- Okay. Thanks for your response :) Yasht101 05:39, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
User:WebTV3
Not sure if this diff counts as a proper admission of sockpuppetry by WebTV3: [3] Trivialist (talk) 22:02, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
- It's not: we've been through that with the checkuser. WebTV3 has a significant problem with clue, unfortunately. Acroterion (talk) 22:07, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, I've noticed... Trivialist (talk)
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Thank you very much for reverting vandal and troll on my userpage! Very appreciated. NHRHS2010 the student pilot ✈ 02:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC) |
Also, thanks for blocking that user and his sockpuppet! NHRHS2010 the student pilot ✈ 02:50, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, glad to help out. Acroterion (talk) 15:03, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Albert14nx05y
Hey, I left a little note on his talk page about restoring removed comments. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 11:38, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks, but I doubt it does much good: it seems to be open season for recreational arguments. Acroterion (talk) 11:59, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- Well, this is true. But if he continues, it shows I did honestly try to talk to him when I take him to ANI to get him blocked. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 12:17, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've been keeping an eye on them, but they haven't made it much beyond complaints about not getting their way, and their last post here wasn't something I'd block for. Acroterion (talk) 12:20, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- I just picked up on their posts when they posted on your talk page. If what I am seeing on your talk page is any indication of what their other edits look like (on a whole), then they could be blocked for "disruptive editing"...even if it was just for 24 (or 31) hours. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 12:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- A little venting isn't disruptive: they attempted a challenging deletion discussion that resulted in a speedy keep, and are convinced that policy was ignored, throwing in some shots at the closing admin and in my direction for reminding them to maintain some decorum. Acroterion (talk) 12:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- I guess I have been here too long. I start seeing one problem from a new editor (under a 100 edits is "new" to me) and I consider them a trouble maker (cause 99% of the time they are). Yup, been here far too long. :D - Neutralhomer • Talk • 12:52, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- A little venting isn't disruptive: they attempted a challenging deletion discussion that resulted in a speedy keep, and are convinced that policy was ignored, throwing in some shots at the closing admin and in my direction for reminding them to maintain some decorum. Acroterion (talk) 12:43, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- I just picked up on their posts when they posted on your talk page. If what I am seeing on your talk page is any indication of what their other edits look like (on a whole), then they could be blocked for "disruptive editing"...even if it was just for 24 (or 31) hours. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 12:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've been keeping an eye on them, but they haven't made it much beyond complaints about not getting their way, and their last post here wasn't something I'd block for. Acroterion (talk) 12:20, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
- Well, this is true. But if he continues, it shows I did honestly try to talk to him when I take him to ANI to get him blocked. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 12:17, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
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Thank you for blocking the sockpuppets (and unblocking my account). In honor, I give you this barnstar. WebTV3 (talk) 01:05, 14 April 2012 (UTC) |
- Thanks, glad we were able to clear that up. Acroterion (talk) 15:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
About "The Cole Conspiracy", and evil reptilian kitten-eaing admins from another planet
Hi Acroterion. Just left a note explaining what happened, here. --Shirt58 (talk) 03:25, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Wondered
Fo some time I had been simply using abbr=on to keep foot/mile/etc. singular...but that doesn't work sometimes when one wishes to spell the word out...I'm not sure I like the hyphen produced by the adj=on parameter, but that meets MOS apparently.[5] I have seen another parameter used I think that keeps miles to mile that doesn't incoprporate the hyphen, but I couldn't see which parameter that is on the SOP for the conversion template. The article I created yesterday is when I first started adding the adj=on parameter. On GRTE I ran a bot on the citations and did a reflinks check..I think 10 came back as dubious, but when I hard clicked on them, they all came up fine for me...thanks for looking things over! I'm still working on related stubs yet and not sure when I might advance the page to peer review. My forte is research and I've never claimed to be a great writer or copyeditor, so there is probably some sentence structure issues and some might complain about article length.--MONGO 03:12, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- I'm no authority on the use of the convert template. It's got so many parameters, switches and formats that I give up when I try to read the documentation. The hyphen is a bit troublesome, especially given the FA minefield of en and em-dashes vs. hyphens. I'll keep on working my way through the article: you tend to do the same thing I do, re-use words from one sentence to the next, so I'm sensitized to picking it up. There are some grammatical constructions that you use that I wouldn't, but I've resisted the urge to change them as they're a matter of personal writing style rather than anything significant (I probably tend to overuse commas, you might underuse them). I may return and try to work some of them out. I think article length is a concern. I haven't found a good place to cut back though, unless it's in the pre-park history, but I'm uncomfortable with implying that only the last 84 years are significant. Acroterion (talk) 12:18, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Good thing I didn't add a controversy section discussing the dam, airport and elk hunt but I did incorporate those issues into the article...I also don't have an exotic species section since that issues seems relatively minor at GRTE....still, I think I can do some sentence restructuring and maybe cut 5 percent of the text out. Having worked on Glacier, rewrote Yellowstone, worked on Redwoods and Shoshone NF..and the most recent of these became FA 5 years ago, I wanted Grand Teton to be the new benchmark...as far as referencing it is I think superior, but I don't know if my effort to be comprehensive isn't simply just info overload...MONGO 13:50, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
You deleted my page
Why? It's a real person with interesting facts. Why would you delete a page that is about a real person with actual facts? That's the point of Wikipedia, FACTS and INFORMATION available to the public audience. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valaksha (talk • contribs) 14:45, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- The article is a prank concerning a non-notable individual. Acroterion (talk) 14:54, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
How is it a prank? These are the things he's known for around here, it's a real person, a real job, a real software company. Just because you don't know the individual personally doesn't mean these statements are false. There are hundreds of people here who know him, how is that not notable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valaksha (talk • contribs) 15:00, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Funny articles about classmates, coworkers and friends don't meet notability requirements. This one was also unsourced and appears to be making fun of someone. Please read WP:BIO, WP:RS, WP:V and WP:BLP. Acroterion (talk) 15:04, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Okay, that is understandable. The page was made with that individual, but I can see how it may come across in a foul manner to those who don't know him. I apologize for the misunderstanding; it's unfortunate we can't keep the page though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Valaksha (talk • contribs) 15:09, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for understanding. Biographies must cross a high bar due to their potential for damage in the real world. Think of it this way: Wikipedia comes up near the top of virtually all search results and is the #7 website on the planet. How would you want to be covered here? Acroterion (talk) 15:12, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- Agree with Acroterion I agree with him, this website is EXTREMELY important, plus you can use your user page to give an autobiography or the sandbox, but not an article. WebTV3 (talk) 00:32, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for understanding. Biographies must cross a high bar due to their potential for damage in the real world. Think of it this way: Wikipedia comes up near the top of virtually all search results and is the #7 website on the planet. How would you want to be covered here? Acroterion (talk) 15:12, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Thought I would mention to you, this user's edits regarding Webtv3 are a bit concerning. Calabe1992 01:34, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
- I've opened a sockpuppet case here. Do you agree with me? Calabe1992 01:41, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, a bit strange, worth an SPI given the put-up job of a few days ago. Having unblocked WebTV3 I've ended up looking after him, I suppose. Acroterion (talk) 01:44, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I guess after this hopefully we'll know for sure what was going on. Cyberpower's talk page was on my watchlist for whatever reason and I noticed the unusual editing, dug further and found the odd requests for mentoring. Something strange definitely going on. Calabe1992 02:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
- Interesting... CU found that WebTV33 was unrelated, but there were other accounts (and some other sockmaster). Seems that "Walter" is a common string here on all the others. Calabe1992 14:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, I saw that. I wonder if it's spillover from some interaction WebTV3 might have had elsewhere on the Internet. Acroterion (talk) 14:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
- Interesting... CU found that WebTV33 was unrelated, but there were other accounts (and some other sockmaster). Seems that "Walter" is a common string here on all the others. Calabe1992 14:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I guess after this hopefully we'll know for sure what was going on. Cyberpower's talk page was on my watchlist for whatever reason and I noticed the unusual editing, dug further and found the odd requests for mentoring. Something strange definitely going on. Calabe1992 02:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
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Much appreciated on the auto check. I am just over 160 new articles and it struck me that, whoah, I am not even a month old here on Wikipedia, MUCH appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 18:45, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
National Heritage Areas
Re: categorization: my pleasure, as always. :-)
Re: the rest - honestly, I don't know. I'd leave the "protected area" designations, as while it's an imperfect description, it does underline the fact that the Heritage Areas are recognized as something special and different by the government. Like the National Register - a house may be on the Register, but that doesn't preclude the owners from doing anything with it, yet we still think of them as protected structures. It's not perfect, but then what is? :-) --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 14:00, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
- I like the NRHP analogy, makes sense. Acroterion (talk) 15:12, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
little face syndrome
Hello I made a page called "little face syndrome" for my husband as a joke about or dog. why did you delete it? is there any way to get it back so I can send it to him? Please let me know. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sydne426 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
- Because it was a joke about your dog, not an encyclopedia article. I've emailed the text to you. Acroterion (talk) 01:48, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Back again after a month block by you and still no changes
- Hello Acroterion, see User talk:108.82.100.8 (diff), the guy just took the convenience of removing old messages and proceeded to "act ignorant" by removing the templates of "repeatvandal" and "older" as well. Clearly, he/she is not here to improve the project... thoughts? --Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 05:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
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WWII era fortifications Hohlgangsanlage tunnels, Jersey
Need help with the article Hohlgangsanlage tunnels, Jersey It needs general clear up and more information
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Joe jobber found
The person who joe jobbed me has been found: 59.90.134.181. Block him indef with no talk page rights. I have left a message to him. WebTV3 (talk) 21:42, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
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I really wanted to say thanks for giving me the confidence,pride and guidance to continue with creating WV unincorporated place pages. I am now 300+ on my article creations, and thanks to you and others, I will continue to contribute. Coal town guy (talk) 14:53, 30 April 2012 (UTC) |
- Thanks! I'm glad we were able to get you launched successfully - the learning curve around here can be pretty steep. Let me know if you have any other questions. Acroterion (talk) 14:58, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for blocking this article. Greetings Bielsko (talk) 22:55, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
WebTV3
Please see here. Equazcion (talk) 01:43, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
- Cripes. Actions have consequences, and this has gotten very old. Acroterion (talk) 02:04, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Monkey Philosophy has been deleted
How can we decide if a band is sigificant or not? Why delete valid and truthful information? Valment29 (talk) 03:15, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
- We go by WP:BAND to determine notability. Existence isn't quite enough. Acroterion (talk) 03:16, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks
Thank you for your help about the page posted about my daughter. You responded so quickly and with good information. Thanks! Macchismom (talk) 18:14, 3 May 2012 (UTC)Macchismom
ArtOfDying Guild
Hello Acroterion,
I need help creating the page, I was hoping you could point me in the right direction.
Thank You,
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00:49, 4 May 2012 Acroterion (talk | contribs) deleted page ArtOfDying Guild (A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisupi007 (talk • contribs)
- Well, you'll need to pass the general notability guideline: see WP:NOTE and WP:WEB for notability of web content. Basically, you'll need to indicate that the organization has received significant coverage in major independent media. Acroterion (talk) 02:40, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
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HELP with Eight West Virginia
OK, I need some help. Here is the deal. In 1936, The Eight WV post office closed. I CANT locate the geo coordinates for Eight. SO, recalling a map that showed the town of Eight, I have been able to approxiomate the location of the place with a former resident and AFTER going to topozone, I have some geo coordinates which are rather accurate. HOW do I reference this??????? GNIS states that it has no geo coordinate data OR should I just suck it up and enter the geo data I haveCoal town guy (talk) 17:02, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- While in principle everything is supposed to be referenced, I can't get worked up over a reasonable approximation arrived at in good faith. References are required specifically for information likely to be challenged: I don't see this as such a case and I'd rather have the unreferenced coordinates than nothing for want of a reference. Acroterion (talk) 17:07, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- One way to do it (pardon me for butting in, Acroterion) is to reference the historical USGS topo map that shows the town. See the USGS historical topo map collection, for example. I've used the maps in hard copy. Sometimes you can also get them at the map library at a university. Another nice thing about the historical USGS map is that it's public domain so you can clip an image from it if you like. Antandrus (talk) 17:10, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- Normally yes. However, there was a custom in that state which makes that hard. It was totally in the realm of possibility for a town to be dis assembled and reassembled in another locatio with the same or different name. I do have the topo map with the approximate area, however, the place names are harder ESPECIALLY when most of not all of the residents from said area are dead. I never said coal towns were fun places, its just that I want to hold as close to the standard of an encyclopedia as I can. I very much do appreciate the input howeverCoal town guy (talk) 17:18, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thank yiou. Now for the BIG question. There are MANY places like this in Southern WV as you are well aware. BECAUSE I have ALOT of older folks who lived there, COULD I PLEASE use this method? As always, any direction, will be appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 17:14, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- That's probably a matter for more general discussion. Standards for referencing have gotten much tighter over the past few years, and it's harder to just go ahead and write what's obviously true without being accused of original research. I would point out that as Antandrus notes, an article on some coal town, let's call it Acme, West Virginia, could be constructed to document its multiple locations, and in fact should, giving referenced locations from the USGS maps for the most definite and approximations for the others. Too often we get roped into pinning things down within 10 meters when a lower degree of precision would do, and many geocoded locations are in fact the product of OR with Google Earth. Acroterion (talk) 17:37, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- Thank yiou. Now for the BIG question. There are MANY places like this in Southern WV as you are well aware. BECAUSE I have ALOT of older folks who lived there, COULD I PLEASE use this method? As always, any direction, will be appreciatedCoal town guy (talk) 17:14, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- I think a good-faith approximation is fine (especially if you can't find exactly the right map).
- For what it's worth I'm familiar with the phenomenon of movable company towns. I write the articles on oil fields on the west coast, and in my research have found numerous cases of entire towns for the oil workers which have either moved or vanished. In some cases I've gone and found the remains and photographed them. If you look at the photo from ca. 1912 of the Cat Canyon field you can see the town both on the right and the upper left; there's nothing there now but broken glass, rusty nails, and cowpies. Bicknell was another one. If I ever get around to writing articles on the towns I'd have to use a method like the one you propose (though Bicknell does show on an old topo map). Antandrus (talk) 17:41, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- MUCH appreciated. I am nearly 370 articles deep on WV towns alone and some of them are as you induicated VERY difficult to get to, much less, find on a map and the photos are not that easy to shoot or get. Thanks to all for the input, I have noted in my edit that I have used an approximation provided by a former resident.Coal town guy (talk) 17:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- I'm a bit late to the discussion, but since I was asked to comment, the above advice seems pretty good to me. If you do have a map then you can cite that for the coordinates, even if there's no GNIS data; if it's a coal town that moved around, either give an approximation or give the coordinates for all of the locations if you can find them. Some degree of original research is probably fine if you don't have a map; I've had to do OR myself to pin down a few sites for which I could determine their locations but didn't have a source for them. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 23:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
- MUCH Appreciated. Its nice to be in a community that cares enough to document these places. VERY grateful.Coal town guy (talk) 00:34, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
- I'm a bit late to the discussion, but since I was asked to comment, the above advice seems pretty good to me. If you do have a map then you can cite that for the coordinates, even if there's no GNIS data; if it's a coal town that moved around, either give an approximation or give the coordinates for all of the locations if you can find them. Some degree of original research is probably fine if you don't have a map; I've had to do OR myself to pin down a few sites for which I could determine their locations but didn't have a source for them. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 23:45, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
National Register documentation
Thank you for the note. I'll check that out. Cbl62 (talk) 17:05, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
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personal wikepedia
Dear Wiki
I want to create a personla wiki about myself, just like this; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamela_Geller hos is this done?4
Yours Ronni Steenfeldt — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steenfeldt (talk • contribs) 19:01, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- You need to be sufficiently notable for a Wikipedia article - see WP:BIO. In general notability demands sufficient coverage in reputable third-party sources to allow appropriate referencing and verifiability: see WP:RS and WP:V. Acroterion (talk) 19:08, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Good news and Whitby West Virginia
Hello- I have made it into the top 1000 article creator in Wikipedia and thanks again for your help. However, I have a specific town which I want to elevate from a stub to a "good" or "start" status. It is for the coal town of Whitby WV. WHY am I asking for help? BECAUSE I understand we are NOT to use "original" research. BUT, I also created the Whitby WV web page with its own domain. www.whitbywv.com. SO, COULD I use the web page as a reference as long as the data has a reliable source? AND if thats OK, how do I get the article upgraded knowing full well, that it took a PILE of original research to get the Whitby wv web page created??? Wouldnt this represent a conflict of interest? ANY feedback you could provide would be greatly appreciated.Coal town guy (talk) 19:14, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- That's pretty impressive, and it's important to preserve the material. You've done well to assemble this, I wish more people did it. That said, such a site wouldn't meet RS requirements, at least not for peer-reviewed, GA or FA status, unless you've established a reputation in the field by getting published by a third party. WP:SPS is the relevant link. It could be linked to as an EL, I think. You could use the original sourcing if it met RS. That's not to question the veracity of the information, nor your good faith and diligence: far from it. It's just that so often we have the opposite problem of someone publishing poorly researched or opinionated material from their own website that it tends to exclude self-published material that's perfectly fine. Acroterion (talk) 22:35, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
- I concur I woud need to use pieces that are verifiable by a third party source. I watched my town die, it was hard and now, I have the means to preserve, in an encyclopedic manner or virtual manner the places. I think thats fine by me. I will start little by little and will of course be open to any and all suggestions to keep within the guidelines hereCoal town guy (talk) 00:32, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Remember this article? It was discussed at ANI or AN (can't remember). Some thought it should be stubbed it was such an unholy mess. You tagged it. Anyway, I've been idly watching it for a while now, and no one has taken the kind of action that should (in my view) be taken. I thought of stubbing it, but decided just to remove any sections (in some cases pieces of sections) that were completely unsourced. I was doing them one by one but without realizing that others were adding them back in. So, I stopped. Any suggestions on how to deal with this article (that doesn't entail a lot of work because I'm honestly not interested in spending a lot of time on it)? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:11, 12 May 2012 (UTC)