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: If the IPs vandalize an article, it can be escalated to be protected against the unregistered and IP users. Also if the IP user is consistently from the same range, that range can be blocked. There's [[WP:RFPP]] and [[WP:AIV]]. It's just on an article by article basis. That can be frustrating sometimes but it seems to work. The articles that get a lot of IP vandalism end up staying protected for much longer. [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong><font color="606060">AngusWOOF</font></strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<font color="663300">bark</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<font color="006600">sniff</font>]]) 15:33, 3 October 2016 (UTC) |
: If the IPs vandalize an article, it can be escalated to be protected against the unregistered and IP users. Also if the IP user is consistently from the same range, that range can be blocked. There's [[WP:RFPP]] and [[WP:AIV]]. It's just on an article by article basis. That can be frustrating sometimes but it seems to work. The articles that get a lot of IP vandalism end up staying protected for much longer. [[User:AngusWOOF|<strong><font color="606060">AngusWOOF</font></strong>]] ([[User talk:AngusWOOF#top|<font color="663300">bark</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/AngusWOOF|<font color="006600">sniff</font>]]) 15:33, 3 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:And I would add, as [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A86.17.222.157&type=revision&diff=742421248&oldid=741824925 someone whose presence here you, Sk8erPrince, object to in a very uncivil manner], that unregistered users also make many positive edits here, including reverting vandalism and trolling. [[Special:Contributions/86.17.222.157|86.17.222.157]] ([[User talk:86.17.222.157|talk]]) 18:39, 3 October 2016 (UTC) |
Revision as of 05:29, 4 October 2016
Allen Walker FAN
Some days ago I nominated Allen Walker to FA here. If you have free time, could you provide some feedback? Until, I only got two supports and no opposes. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 16:58, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
- Tintor2, I wrote up some feedback. Hopefully it's the right spot. I can't really tell since it keeps putting it in the archive section. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:26, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
- Tintor2, it's good now. I'm sure there will always be improvements, but I'm passing it. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:04, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
Joel McDonald
Joel McDonald is a Dallas based voice actor whose page has been deleted two times - see AFD 1 and AFD 2. That was back in 2012. 4 years later, I believe Joel has garnered enough significant roles to redeem his own article. Here's a list of Joel's roles on ANN. As I have never recreated a deleted page before, could you provide assistance and point in the right direction on what I should do? Looking at Joel's roles, do you think he passes WP:ENT? --Sk8erPrince (talk) 13:02, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
- You could make a draft page for him. I think he has enough lead roles, especially with the Initial D Funimation dub (Takumi is the lead character), Sekirei (Minato is the lead character), and Space Dandy (Meow is main cast), but it is difficult to find news articles about him from secondary sources. He also directed on the One Piece Funimation dub. The anime conventions have writeups on him but sometimes they tend to be publicity writeups, [1] I was hoping Dallas Observer or other Texas papers might discuss him. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:13, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
- I've heard that you could request an admin to retrive info from a deleted page. If that process is possible, how do I go about doing it? I'd like to use the info on Joel's deleted page as a draft, and then insert strong references and sources from there.--Sk8erPrince (talk) 15:15, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
- I don't think there's anything to retrieve from that draft as it's probably one of those credits dump articles (no biography just a list). You might have better luck making a draft from scratch. See WP:DRAFTS on how to make one. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:36, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
- I've heard that you could request an admin to retrive info from a deleted page. If that process is possible, how do I go about doing it? I'd like to use the info on Joel's deleted page as a draft, and then insert strong references and sources from there.--Sk8erPrince (talk) 15:15, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
- See talk:Trina Nishimura and notice how the local Texas non-anime papers are writing about her. If Joel has that coverage or more as with Kari Wahlgren, that improves his chances of having an article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:19, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
- Trina has 46 references, while Kari has 246. The latter is very, very acclaimed in the English VO industry. Although Joel is not nearly as notable as Kari, I could attempt to find some relevant sources for him to revive his page. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 15:15, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
- Ah that's good she's acclaimed. That's one of my favorite articles I wrote for here. I had to organize her major roles and describe why she was important for each one, and added some criticism for some of them, some good some not-so-good. It could have been just another stub with an unreferenced list of credits. A recent one I did was Beau Billingslea, which would have been a one, maybe two-hit wonder with Cowboy Bebop and Black Heaven but has a pretty interesting background in television after doing more research into his live-action acting career. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:38, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
- Trina has 46 references, while Kari has 246. The latter is very, very acclaimed in the English VO industry. Although Joel is not nearly as notable as Kari, I could attempt to find some relevant sources for him to revive his page. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 15:15, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Andrew Love
I've noticed that you nominated Andrew's page for deletion, and it was deleted on the grounds of having no secondary news sources. However, if you search for his main roles on My Anime List, it comes out quite a lot (29 results - some of which are recurring). Additionally, Andrew has also won an award from BTVA. I have reason to believe that the award is what makes Andrew notable, given that Jamie Marchi's page lists her BTVA awards/nominations. Also, given Andrew's extensive list of roles (again, there's quite a lot of main roles), he passes WP:ENT. If we added the BTVA award in Andrew's page, his page wouldn't be just some "vanity list", nor will he be regarded as an "unremarkable actor" as some people claim him to be, right? --Sk8erPrince (talk) 16:54, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, he's in a lot of anime shows, but there's no biography to construct or write an article about. No news articles outside of the cast announcement and the primary source convention announcement and interview. So it would just be that vanity list. As for Behind The Voice Actors awards, it is a nice award that the voice actors do acknowledge, but doesn't carry weight in terms of notability. Any website could name any voice actor a best actor or character. The actors don't get a physical award, and there's no ceremony, not like the Annie Awards or Seiyu Awards where there's an actual event. Even YouTubers, when they get their million subscribers, have to wait for a physical award. It can be listed as positive reception though as with those Japanese seiyuus appearing in the top 10 for Animage or in some Shonen Jump poll. Oh, yeah BTVA participants love Jamie Marchi; I see her on top of many lists there. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:26, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
- I've seen people debate that a voice actor's notability is also based on the number of cons they have attended. So if we list all of the cons Andrew has attended, wouldn't that assert his notability? I understand your concern about biographies; if possible, I would love to write a more detailed bio if there's even a slim chance of restoring Andrew's page. I'm just, you know, looking into other ways that could assert his notability. I'm also aware that deleted pages require more detail and references in order for them to be restored, and it gets harder and harder with each nomination. Any other thoughts on the matter, or have we gone through all, if not most of the notability guidelines for possible page restoration? --Sk8erPrince (talk) 17:39, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
- It's not just the number. If they are attending cons all over the country as well as international cons, then that helps their notability. Non-anime industry sources such as newspapers start covering the actors as with Trina Nishimura and Jamie Marchi when they attend cons. The con profile is usually written by the person or by a staffer who might copy IMDb and Wikipedia so I'd be wary of their summary sometimes, especially if they use the exact same verbiage as with other cons. Details that arise from the convention itself might be of interest though. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:43, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
- Speaking of bios, this got me thinking - could I source video interviews/podcasts if I was to write a longer bio for Andrew's page? --Sk8erPrince (talk) 04:46, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
- Video interviews and podcasts are primary sources so that doesn't help the notability part, just the other parts like when they talk about how they got into the business and what their first part was, or what they liked about certain parts. It still needs something to pass notability. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 05:57, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
- Speaking of bios, this got me thinking - could I source video interviews/podcasts if I was to write a longer bio for Andrew's page? --Sk8erPrince (talk) 04:46, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
- True, but if I used the aforementioned sources to write a longer bio (since you've mentioned that there's currently little to no sources to write a long enough bio yet), AND list Andrew's most notable roles (WP:ENT), AND list the BTVA award, AS WELL AS list all the cons that Andrew has attended, then wouldn't that be a huge, significant improvement from the previous draft? It'll no longer be just a vanity page now, would it? I'd like your input, please. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 10:21, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
- You still need the secondary sources independent of the subject though. See WP:GNG Were you able to find any? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:37, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
- True, but if I used the aforementioned sources to write a longer bio (since you've mentioned that there's currently little to no sources to write a long enough bio yet), AND list Andrew's most notable roles (WP:ENT), AND list the BTVA award, AS WELL AS list all the cons that Andrew has attended, then wouldn't that be a huge, significant improvement from the previous draft? It'll no longer be just a vanity page now, would it? I'd like your input, please. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 10:21, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
- I'll perform an investigation when I have time. For now, I'll concentrate on the AFDs. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 15:00, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
- Is there a way you can find a voice actor that you like and has a page here but needs a decent biography that you'd be interested to fill in? Then you can get practice on writing bios and paragraphs so that the article will be more than that credits dump. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:43, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
- Of course, there should be plenty of VAs of the like that currently have stub articles. I watch dubs after all, and being an aspiring voice actor myself, I admire a lot of the VAs that do dubbing work. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 23:25, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Making a proposal to existing policies
There is one existing policy that is really irking me - and that is unregistered users having the ability to edit unprotected articles. If some users can't be bothered to make their own account to edit, then they don't really have a place on this encyclopedia, I'm afraid. Of course, that's just my opinion, but I'd really like to take it up with the higher ups of this website about it (though I'm not sure how to go about doing that). Notice that many acts of vandalism and trolling are conducted by IP users. I'd like your input, please. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 13:32, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
- If the IPs vandalize an article, it can be escalated to be protected against the unregistered and IP users. Also if the IP user is consistently from the same range, that range can be blocked. There's WP:RFPP and WP:AIV. It's just on an article by article basis. That can be frustrating sometimes but it seems to work. The articles that get a lot of IP vandalism end up staying protected for much longer. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:33, 3 October 2016 (UTC)