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== Sorry for your trouble == |
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# [[User talk:BrownHairedGirl/Archive/Archive 001|January 2006 – August 2006]] |
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# [[User talk:BrownHairedGirl/Archive/Archive 002|August 2006 – November 2006]] |
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'''[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&action=edit§ion=new <span style="color:yellow">Please click here to leave a new message for me (BrownHairedGirl)</span>]''' |
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Hello [[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]]. I have just discovered the giant and overwhelmingly lengthy and detailed narrative of your eviction from the Kingdom of Wikipedia. |
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It's a shock, and it is disgusting to witness the ejection of one of the most prolific and esteemed contributors to the encyclopaedia. I have not tried to read all of the vast quantity of legal-forensic argument pertaining to this incident (I value my mental health) but it's appalling that the banishment of such an intelligent and skilled contributor could not have been avoided. |
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Many thanks to everyone who contributed to my [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/BrownHairedGirl|request for adminship]] in May 2006. I am delighted that it was successful, and I now have '''[[WP:ADMIN|administrator]]''' powers on Wiki<!-- -->pedia. Administrators have access to a few technical features which help with [[Wikipedia:Maintenance|maintenance]]. |
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This outcome counts as a true convulsion and upheaval in the annals of Wikipedia. Three million edits, and now – "fuck off"! It's confounding and upsetting, even for a bystander. |
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I regard admin powers as a privelige to be used sparingly and judiciously, but if you require the assistance of an admin, please feel free to |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&action=edit§ion=new leave a message on my talk page]'''. |
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Your user ID and mine can be found near each other in the edit histories of many articles but we barely had any mutual contact. My User Talk edit history shows only five edits of mine on your talk page (plus today's remarks, and edits of them). I have used the edit Thank feature to show appreciation for fewer than a handful of your edits. |
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If you want admin help, please do try to explain clearly what you want done, and why ... and I'll try to either help you myself or direct you to a more experienced person if appropriate. |
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Nevertheless, like so many others, I'm sure, I have borne silent, respectful, and dazed witness to your prodigious, spectacular, and unpaid labours in service to the encyclopaedia over the years. You have contributed a very significant portion of your life to this vast edifice. Your omnipresent work is a waxed thread binding together the calfskin cover and parchment pages of the Book of Everything read by more people than any other, all over the world. [[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|Your neverending contribution history]] is your monument. |
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It must be bewildering to be cast so unceremoniously into outer darkness from a satisfying daily activity to which you devoted so much time. As wonderful as the project is, it is also at times a lunatic asylum of disputation and rows cunningly designed to wreck anyone's delicate psychology – the Hell of Wikipedia. I try to avoid getting into lengthy wrangles with other editors as much as possible for that reason: they can be a source of profound and damaging frustration which eat so much of your time, which consume and disappear so much of your life. |
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== John Belcher == |
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It is about nine weeks since you stopped contributing so I don't know if you will ever see these belated remarks of mine, if you ever come back occasionally to read late additions to your talk page. You deserve every one of the appreciations and tributes left by other editors but perhaps you may no longer visit here, for the sake of your health. |
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Very interested in the page about my father, John Belcher, which I thought was fair. I was going to edit a small detail ie it was a cigarette case not a gold watch but that seems picky! I would also like to add a small section of my father's resignation speech to the House and maybe I will. The truth is that my father did nothing wrong at all but I agree that the tribunal did find some influence used in return for some hospitality and, therefore, I can't change that. He was a man of great courage and dignity which, in fact, Clem Attlee acknowledged in Parliament and this tribunal broke his heart. He never recovered his health, dying at the early age of 59, and my mother who had been put under enormous strain throughout the proceedings, suffered a series of nervous breakdowns for the rest of her life. A sad ending to what had been a dream for both of them ie a Labour government addressing the needs of all the people not the few. |
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If I was in your "Current location: Connacht" (according to your user page) I would invite you to share a few soft, creamy pints to wet your sorrows (my family roots reach deeply into dark Connacht turf). |
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I'm not a computer expert so don't really understand how all this works but I hope you'll see this. Perhaps you can imagine my surprise when my son drew my attention to the page? |
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It will be lonely not to see your name in article edit histories and I hope that after a period of deserved rest and healing you may eventually consider returning, perhaps as the older and wiser [[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#999;">Grey</span>HairedGirl</span>]]. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1101068058 May you always dream of dmy dates]. You are missed. [[User:O'Dea|O'Dea]] ([[User talk:O'Dea|talk]]) 00:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== [[Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 25#Category:Countries and its subcategories|Ping!]] == |
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<blockquote>My User Talk edit history shows only five edits of mine on your talk page (plus today's remarks, and edits of them). I have used the edit Thank feature to show appreciation for fewer than a handful of your edits.</blockquote> |
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<blockquote>Nevertheless, like so many others, I'm sure, I have borne silent, respectful, and dazed witness to your prodigious, spectacular, and unpaid labours in service to the encyclopaedia over the years. You have contributed a very significant portion of your life to this vast edifice.</blockquote> |
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:[[User:Spideog|O'Dea]], I second this. I don't think I can say all this better. It's one thing to see people I look up to retiring due to fatigue but quite another to see them cast off like this without even being able to reply on their own talk page. Something reserved for the lowest and worst offenders; surely this could have ended less cruelly knowing you and all the work you've done for 15+ years. I avoided reading your case because that defeats the purpose of my wikibreak. I refrain from editing too much or looking into the happenings here but when I see something like this, I cannot ignore it. |
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== [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ADgies&diff=99393092&oldid=98350808 Har-dee-har] == |
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:To me, we crossed paths first roughly in the 2014s when I was a mere stripling of an editor. All I saw was an admin who really was approachable and advised me against my way of handling a minor issue regarding vandalism when I approached you. I <s>stalked</s> observed the way you work and learnt things that shaped my own editing pattern and behaviour. A minor editing tip I embraced wholeheartedly was your 99% commitment to [[WP:FIES|meaningful edit summaries]]. |
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I guess I could be insulted but will just say "point taken", though you should know [[WP:POINT|how not to make a point]]. —[[User:Dgies|Dgies]]<sup>[[User talk:Dgies|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dgies|c]]</sup> 20:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:Hope real life is treating you much better. Wishes from India. [[User:Ugog Nizdast|Ugog Nizdast]] ([[User talk:Ugog Nizdast|talk]]) 07:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC) |
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:I do know [[WP:POINT]], but hoped that since this was done in user space in these circumstances my offence would be counted as a minor one. (As you have probabbly guessed, I don't find your name funny, but if I did, how could we decide who was right?) Anyway, glad to see you reverted my tagging of your user page. |
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:BTW did you see my suggestion about listification? In penance for my point-making, I have created the list for you at [[User:Dgies/Humorously named people]]; if you don't want it, I can delete it for you. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 21:11, 8 January 2007 (UTC) |
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::Apology accepted. —[[User:Dgies|Dgies]]<sup>[[User talk:Dgies|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dgies|c]]</sup> 21:22, 8 January 2007 (UTC) |
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::word ---[[User:Sluzzelin|Sluzzelin]] [[User talk:Sluzzelin|<small>talk</small>]] 02:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC) |
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== James Stansfeld == |
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Can we pls move [[James Stansfield]] to [[James Stansfeld]] and delete [[James Stansfield]]? Not sure why Stansfeld is currently redirected to Stansfield... Thx |
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:done! --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 14:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== missionary categories == |
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Hello & many thanks for cleaning up all of the categories. I did not know how to do it the easy way![[User:Brian0324|Brian0324]] 14:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:Unfortunately, it wasn't really done the easy way: I just spent a few hours edited them all manually. A bit slow, but now it's done ... so now we can make more sense of what is there as we look at restructuring them (see [[Category talk:Missionaries]]). --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 14:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Missionary category questions == |
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I asked a few questions about missionary categories at [[Category talk:Missionaries]], but I received no response. Could you please at least make some comments? Thank you, [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 15:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:Sorry Dr S, I missed those. Will go here now. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 15:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC) |
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Here are my questions. Please respond when you can. |
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*Should [[:Category:Missionaries by region of activity]] be deleted? |
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*Should [[:Category:Christian missionaries in the Middle East]] be merged into [[:Category:Christian missionaries in Asia]]? |
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*Should [[:Category:Methodist missionaries to British North America]] be merged into [[:Category:Christian missionaries in North America]]? |
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[[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 16:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== [[John Hart, senior]] and ndash etc. == |
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Hi, thanks for your recent edit to the above, I try to fix up dates to [dd mm yy] too if I am editing a page; I'm Australian so we use that order too. You did make a ''little'' typo, you left off the "d" in "ndash" - Do you (g)nash you teeth?? I read about using the ndash character from the insert menu below the edit box and I use that, saves typos!. I have fixed up [[John Hart, senior]] birth/death dates (after using another source to get the exact d.o.b.) to read: <br> |
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:<nowiki>([[25 February]] [[1809]] – [[28 January]] [[1873]])</nowiki><br> |
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(Note the ndash is inserted from the "Insert:" line, not typed from the keyboard. |
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I also used the lifetime and DEFAULTSORT templates as shown below, may be of interest to save having to specify the sort for each category:<br> |
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<nowiki>{{lifetime|1809|1873|Hart, John}}</nowiki><br> |
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<nowiki>[[Category:Premiers of South Australia]]</nowiki><br> |
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<nowiki>[[Category:Companions of the Order of St Michael and St George]]</nowiki> |
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You have to use firstname, lastname in 'lifetime'; the DEFAULTSORT won't work with it. Can save a bit of time though were multiple categories are used. ---- [[User:Diverman|Diverman]] 20:39, 24 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:Thanks Diverman for fixing that typo. I usually do use DEFAULTSORT, but for some reason I don't like lifetime; maybe it's because it requires separate indexing, and one the advantages of DEFAULTSORT is that it simplifoe sindexing and reduces the chance of error, but my main objection is that it doesn't ''look'' like a category entry, which makes it less readily visible to me. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 00:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Sir John Eardley-Wilmot, 1st Baronet == |
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Hi, me again. I saw someone moved [[Sir John Eardley-Wilmot, 1st Baronet]] that you recently edited, to [[John Eardley-Wilmot, 1st Baronet]], reason: ''No honorifics in page titles''. I assume this is a valid move. Is there an automated way (or semi-automated) way to change the articles: |
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*[[John Franklin]], [[Governors of Tasmania]], [[History of Tasmania]], [[Wilmot]], [[North Warwickshire (UK Parliament constituency)]], [[Division of Wilmot]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Australian politicians]], [[Francis Russell Nixon]], [[1844 in Australia]], [[1845 in Australia]], [[1846 in Australia]], [[John Eardley-Wilmot, 2nd Baronet]] |
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to point to the new name, [[John Eardley-Wilmot, 1st Baronet]] ? ---- [[User:Diverman|Diverman]] 02:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:Hi Dierman, I'm afraid that it was a wrong move: see [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles)#Other_non-royal_names)]], baronets are an exception to the general principle of not including homorifics in article names. So I have moved both Eardley-Wilmots back again. |
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:In this case, the links are noiw correct again, but in general, the advice is not to bypass redirects [[Wikipedia:Redirect#Don.27t_fix_links_to_redirects_that_aren.27t_broken]]. I dotend to try to bypass redirects on biographical articles, because of the possibility of the links becoming broken as future biogs are creared, but I'm aware that this is deprecated practice. |
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:For repetitive tasks, though, have you tried [[WP:AWB|AWB]]? It's great! --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 02:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Service awards == |
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In recognition of your recently-passed one-year anniversary... [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] 05:14, 27 January 2007 (UTC) |
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[[Image:editor - silver ribbon - 2 pips.jpg|frame|left|This editor is a '''[[Wikipedia:Service awards#Yeoman Editor (or Most Excellent Grognard)|Yeoman Editor]]''', and is entitled to display this '''Service Badge''']][[Image:small wikipedia book.jpg|frame|center|This editor is a '''[[Wikipedia:Service awards#Yeoman Editor (or Most Excellent Grognard)|Most Excellent Grognard]]''', and is entitled to display this '''Wikipedia Vest Pocket Edition''']] |
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== Baron Williams == |
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Actually it is unnecessary to disambiguate the titles, however since people might search under '''Lord Williams''' when looking for the [[Tom Williams, Baron Williams of Barnburgh|Baron Williams of Barnburgh]], I would suggest to create a disambiguation page at [[Lord Williams]] for the several life peers, with a dablink to the hereditary peerage title. I would also add a see-also-section at [[Baron Williams]] with links to the life peers. I hope this will help, greetings <span style="color:darkgreen">~~ [[User:Phoe|<span style="color:darkgreen">Phoe</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Phoe|<span style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkgreen">talk</span>]]</sub> 13:26, 27 January 2007 (UTC) ~~ </span> |
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== Hatnotes on biographical articles == |
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I think the in-depth explanation should be on WP:HATNOTES, but at least a mention should be made on WP:D. You have explained it eloquently, so I think you should add it, or at least propose the actual wording, and I will be glad to look it over. Thanks for all your work on this. [[User:Chris the speller|Chris the speller]] 22:28, 28 January 2007 (UTC) |
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==NAthan Steele== |
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Geogre's law says it's nonsense. It seems like a hoax to me, but you're rather more of a parliamentary expert. Can you check [[NAthan Steele]] (assuming that it hasn't been deleted by the time you see this). Thanks, [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 01:23, 30 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:Thanks, Angus, it ''is'' nonsense. I have tagged it with {{tl|db-nonsense}} and left a note on the talk page. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 01:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC) |
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::Many thanks! [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 01:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC) |
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==Mythomania== |
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Thanks for your thoughts on the Mythomania CfD. I totally agree that it should be deleted even if it had been in the DSM. I would love to see even the category for people with clinical depression get deleted, but I think we have to wait before there will be enough support for deleting that one. [[User:Doczilla|Doczilla]] 09:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:You may be right that that it will take time, but it's great to see a start being made. These categories do not belong in an encyclopedia. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 10:46, 30 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Category:Mental hospitals == |
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I will take your comment about the loony bins in the spirit I am sure it was meant but could I just point out that the term ''bin'' is found unacceptable by many as it is a place that you put rubbish. Careful use of lanuguage is important, especially in Wikipedia. --[[User:Vincej|Vince]] 09:28, 30 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:I quite agree that use of language is important, which is why I advocate calling a spade a spade. The reason I proposed that term in [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 January 29#Category:Mental_hospitals|the CFD for Category:Mental hospitals]] is precisely for that meaning, because that is the meaning used by so many of the people who are dumped in here. It's usually people like me who haven't been locked up who object to the term, preferring various euphemisms, but the best-known use of it is probably [[Kate Millett]]'s book "The Loony-Bin Trip", which is an account of ''her own'' time in "the bin". "Mental hospital" or "psychiatric hospital" are the equivalent of "correctional facility": euphemisms used by outsiders. Those on the inside can see through them, and many find the use of term 'hospital' unacceptable for those institutions. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 10:41, 30 January 2007 (UTC) |
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::I will investigate the book. I also agree that the term hospital is loaded with preconceptions of the medical model and a word such as 'unit' would be preferable. A lot of people are quite angry about the treatment they have received and I would understand why they feel that hospitals are bins. I work as a nurse in a therapeutic community where we are trying to do things differently. I am not sure if that puts me on the outside or the inside but it does mean I have met a number of people who have been at the sharp end of mental healthcare. Hopefully some people with that experience will contribute to this debate on Wikipedia. Thanks for your interest. --[[User:Vincej|Vince]] 20:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Current British MPs tempate == |
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''discussion moved to [[User talk:Philip Stevens#Current_British_MPs_template]]'' --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 20:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== MP == |
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:''discussion moved to [[User_talk:Berks105#.5B.5BMember_of_Parliament.5D.5D_.28MP.29]]'' |
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|On [[2 February]], [[2007]], '''[[:Template:Did you know|Did you know?]]''' was updated with a fact from the article '''''[[Charles Leach]]''''', which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the [[:Template talk:Did you know|"Did you know?" talk page]]. |
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--[[User:Yomangani|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000ee">Yomangani</span>]][[User_talk:Yomangani|<sup>talk</sup>]] 12:17, 2 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== Timothy Davies == |
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Sorry for the interruption ;) I have many red links on my watchlist and when suddenly someone is on my watchlist who I don't know, or when I expect someone else in his/her place I have to make sure there are more people with this name around. [[User:SportsAddicted|'''SportsAddicted''']]</font> | <small><font color="dimgray">[[User talk:SportsAddicted|discuss]]</font></small> 21:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:Hey, no problem at all! When I create an article, I usually try to see what else links there, and set up any necessary disambiguation. I was lazy in doing that with [[Timothy Davies]], and thanks for being so quick off the mark in adding the others. The one change I made is that when a name is ambiguous I prefer (unless one is much much more notable) to keep the unqualified name as a disambiguation page: apart from avoiding any disutes about who is the most notable, that allows the use of [[WP:POP|popups]] to fix the other links. --~~ |
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::I agree with that, but the fact that I did not know about the politician does not mean he is as or less notible as the others and might have offended you in any way, because these were still red links. Anyways, the runner became a hoax today, so I made it a stub. [[User:SportsAddicted|'''SportsAddicted''']]</font> | <small><font color="dimgray">[[User talk:SportsAddicted|discuss]]</font></small> 23:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== Reply - What article name for this man? == |
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Hi, sorry that I needed so long. I have searched in the London Gazette and the only reference I found was "Sir Brook William Bridges, Baronet (now Lord FitzWalter)", so "[[Brook Bridges, 1st Baron FitzWalter]]" should be correct. Greetings <span style="color:darkgreen">~~ [[User:Phoe|<span style="color:darkgreen">Phoe</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Phoe|<span style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkgreen">talk</span>]]</sub> 11:13, 3 February 2007 (UTC) ~~ </span> |
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== Re: Violet Bathurst, Lady Apsley == |
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Yup - the London Gazette, issue 39555, page 11. [[User:Craigy144|Craigy]] ([[User_talk:Craigy144|talk]]) 23:30, 4 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:Thanks, have added the reference.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Violet_Bathurst%2C_Lady_Apsley&diff=105680197&oldid=105675301] --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 23:49, 4 February 2007 (UTC) |
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==[[Southport (UK Parliament constituency)]]== |
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Justa quick query on your edit to the table of members in Southport BHG. Is that what you actually intended or is it just a mistake? Thanks [[User:Galloglass|Galloglass]] 13:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:Sorry, I'm a bit slow today: which bit of the edit do you mean? The Brunners? see [[Sir John Brunner, 2nd Baronet]] and [[Sir John Brunner, 1st Baronet]]; the Southport MP was the second Baronet, son of the first. -[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 14:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC) |
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::No the Brunner bit was fine, you've sorted out the loose end I was too idle to finish :) No was meaning the election column with ''(by-election)'' added. Just it looks a bit of a bugger the way it is now in black and seperate from the date. Would changing it to [[Southport by-election, 1899|1899 by-election]] or [[Southport by-election, 1898|1898 ''by-election'']] be ok with you? [[User:Galloglass|Galloglass]] 14:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:::I guess either would be OK, and it's not a big deal either way. I had started doing this on several tables in the last day or two to annotate by-elections. I saw table some where which had a black "ge" or "be" after the link, which seemed a bit ugly (an abbreviation needs to be explained on first usage), but I thought that the idea of marking the by-elections was a good idea as long as the complete word was used. |
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:::You're right that it all looks a bit busy that way, with both the brackets and the italics. Looking at it again, I'm not sure what the best approach is, so I doodled with it and created a test page at [[User:BrownHairedGirl/Southport MPs]]. Of the possibilities there, I think that I like best the two unitalicised examples: 1952 (<nowiki>"[[Southport by-election, 1952|1952]] by-election"</nowiki>), followed by 1899 ("<nowiki>[[Southport by-election, 1899|1899 by-election]]</nowiki>"): what do you think? --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 14:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC) |
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::Have been trying everything I can think of to get something that works with the 2 and 3 member constituencies as well as the one member ones but have not been able to find anything that looks reasonable. Probably just me being over-fussy again but it seems to cramp them a bit too much. Have a go and see what you think. Possibly we need to abbreviate by-election but I'm not keen on that idea either tbh :( Btw have a problem with the [[Blackburn (UK Parliament constituency)|Blackburn]] table of members. In 1841 William Fielden jumped ship and joined the Cons. Have tried everying I usually do to show this but all of them break the table. As its your table I assume you can sort ;) Cheers [[User:Galloglass|Galloglass]] 17:39, 19 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== Need Some Advice == |
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Hi, I need some assistance. I am rather new to this site, but I have run into some trouble and need some advice. On the [[Royal Descent]] article, recently I have been in an unfortunate dispute with this editor on the disussion page. They continue to argue and revert edits. The fighting is getting silly. I do not mean to speak down to them, but I am somewhat unsure on what to do. Any advice would be great. I want to do the right thing. What would be the best course of action? If not then I will remove myself from editing the article to avoid an edit war. Thank you! [[User:RosePlantagenet|RosePlantagenet]] 16:11, 9 February 2007 (UTC) |
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==Ruth Dudley Edwards== |
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Her correct name is as above. I have NOT made any recent changes to this article so please withdraw your comments from my talk page. Also the correct procedure here would be to lease the hypenated page as a re-direct to the existing page that I alst edited in December. [[User:Weggie|Weggie]] 11:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:: What is going on!! The correct page has been deleted with RDEs correct name?? Why was the merge procedure not used ? Please undelete the page ASAP [[User:Weggie|Weggie]] 11:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:::See reply at [[User talk:Weggie#Ruth_Dudley_Edwards]]. I ''have'' used the merge procedure, and if you check the edit history of [[Ruth Dudley Edwards]], you'll find that all your edits are there in the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruth_Dudley_Edwards&action=history edit history], and that the final step was to reverted the page to your last version. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 11:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC) |
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Thanks for sorting this out. I must admit to having been reluctant to use moving when I could use cut and paste - but I can see the point of it, of course. Put it down to a mixture of laziness, ignorance and impulsiveness (I am a bear of little brain, and long words bother me ...) . The only other time I have done this was when I shifted the text of [[Aceldama]] to [[Akeldama]] (which seems to be the version used by most modern sources). The edit summary does clearly explain that this was done, so looking at the history of both pages should show this. I also included some of the text from [[Haceldama]] (which is the same subject) in Aceldama before I did this. You're going to tell me I should have done a merge, aren't you?[[User:Rbreen|Rbreen]] 21:25, 10 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:No need for quite so much self-flagellation (if you'll excuse the long word! <nowiki><grin></nowiki>!) But, yes, you ''should'' have done a move (it's less work in the end). |
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:Anyway, thanks for telling me about [[Aceldama]]/[[Akeldama]]: I have merged the two histories. Please could you take a look and tell me if it all seems OK? --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 21:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC) |
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::That looks fine, thanks! [[User:Rbreen|Rbreen]] 22:00, 10 February 2007 (UTC) |
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==Date formats== |
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Sorry but according to my understanding of the MOS [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Louth_by-election%2C_1969&diff=107381702&oldid=107009587 your edit] is incorrect. It does say you can use either [[December 8]] or [[8 December]], and that editors ''may'' choose to use the date format used in a particular country. However I'm not going to get into an argument over which way round should be used. But your addition of an ordinal suffix is specifically listed as an [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29#Incorrect_date_formats|incorrect date format]]. Thanls. [[User:One Night In Hackney|One Night In Hackney]] 22:01, 11 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:I don't usually argue about which way round they should go, but when someone is editing articles specifically to impose the American format on an article about a British topic, I do object per [[WP:MOS#Disputes_over_style_issues]]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 22:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC) |
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::Again, I am not referring to whether 8 comes before December or after. Your edit re-inserted the ordinal suffix which is specifically listed as an [[Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28dates_and_numbers%29#Incorrect_date_formats|incorrect date format]]. [[User:One Night In Hackney|One Night In Hackney]] 22:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:::If you would be kind enough to actually ''read'' the message I wrote on your talk page, you will see that I specifically said that '''"you were right to remove the ordinal suffix"''', and I have now removed that from the Louth article. |
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:::Why do you persist in harking on that issue (where I started the discssion by saying that you were right), but insist that you will not engage about your imposition of the American format? --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 22:28, 11 February 2007 (UTC) |
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::::Sorry, I assumed that as I specifically stated I wasn't going to get into an argument over the other issue that you would realise I had taken your comments on board. [[User:One Night In Hackney|One Night In Hackney]] 22:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::Thanks v. much for that clarification. In my experience, "I'm not going to get into an argument about this" usually means something on a spectrum from "this is unimportant", via "you haven't persuaded me, but whatever" to "I couldn't care less what you say, you *^%%$$%!", but I'm glad to see that I read that wrongly here. Thanks! :) --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 22:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== Please contribute == |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_5#Category:People_associated_with_Aberdeen] - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 18:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC) |
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==Tidy up Thanks== |
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I admit I follow the pages you create. I find parliamentary history quite interesting, and its facinating to see the many pages etc you create. One question I would like to ask if I may; In the many unopposed by-elections during the War, when there was only one candidate I presume the public didn't vote? Was the candidate then declared winner on the day by-election would have taken place? --[[User:Berks105|Berks105]] 09:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:I think that the basic answer is yes. |
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:The purpose of a parliamentary election is to allow the electorate to choose between candidates when there are more candidates than seats, so when the number of candidate matches the number of seats, there is no choice to be made, and hence no need for a vote. The only exception that I am aware of to that principle in parliamentary elections is the system which used to exist in the USSR, where voters always had the opportunity to reject all the candidates; an election was held even if there was only one candidate, so that the electorate could vote "none of the above". I rather like that possibility :) |
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:In the unreformed House of Commons, it was common for two-member constituencies to be carved up by agreement: the Whigs and Tories might agree to each nominate only one candidate, so that both could avoid the cost of a contested election. When there were no limits on campaign spending, the costs could be high: the government as so determined to defeat the [[Whig]] [[Charles James Fox]] in the [[Westminster (UK Parliament constituency)|Westminster constituency]] that |
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:: "The Treasury spent the enormous sums of more than £8,000 in 1780 and £9,000 in 1784, in unsuccessful attempts to defeat the opposition Whig leader Charles James Fox. So expensive were these contests that for the next general election in 1790, the government and opposition leaders reached a formal agreement for each to have one member returned unopposed." (see [[Westminster (UK Parliament constituency)#History]] |
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:The only thing I am uncertain about is exactly when a candidate is declared elected if there is no contest. The usual process nowadays is for a voting day to be set when nominations are opened; if nominations close without the need for an election, there are three possibilities for when the candidate is declared elected: the point at which nominations closed, the last day for nominations to be withdrawn (if that possibility exists, which I think it does in some elections), or the designated polling day. I'm afraid that I don't know which applies here. |
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:Hope this helps! And thanks again for scrutinising my contributions. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 11:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC) |
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==Welsh constituencies== |
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Thanks for your note, I've responded on the CfD page. Perhaps we're approaching this from quite divergent angles. I have a background in UK Constitutional Law so I am perhaps prone to take a somewhat legalistic approach to these questions, however I really can't see any acceptable reason to describe the Assembly as a Parliament. |
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The prime authority is the Act of Parliament which established the body, the Government of Wales Act 1998. Nowhere does this Act use the term 'Parliament' to describe the Assembly. As such I think that it is thoroughly inappropriate to suggest otherwise within Wikipedia (OR, etc). |
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I really do think than in terms of Law, we must strive to be exact. It may be that some might refer to the Assembly constituencies as 'Parliamentary', however they are wrong. The Law sets things out in fairly black-and-white terms, and if this encyclopaedia is to fulfil its aims, it has to reflect this. |
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Best wishes, [[User:Xdamr|<span style="font-family: Times"><span style="font-size:140%">X</span><span style="font-size:110%">damr</span></span>]]<sup>[[User_Talk:Xdamr|talk]]</sup> 19:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:I'm afraid that despite your background in Constitutional Law, you have missed the point here, and I suggest that you re-read [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_13#Westminster_constituencies_in_Wales|the nomination]]: '''this is ''not'' a proposal to categorise the NAW constituencies as "Parliamentary"'''. The Welsh Assembly constituencies are named and categorised as such: it would be quite wrong to label them otherwise, because (as you rightly point out), the body is called "The [[National Assembly for Wales]]".<br />The purpose of the nomination is to clarify the distibction between the Assembly and the Westminster Parliament names of the categories containing the constituencies of the Westminister Parliament, by giving them a more specific name which is still entirely accurate.<br />As a constitutional lawyer, you will be alert to distinction in names, and a political operator, It's stuff I eat and breathe too. All I am trying to do here is to clariffy the issues for the readers who may not be so familiar with the distinction. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 01:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== PW == |
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The creationist has resumed his work - [[:Category:Indian pastors]], deleted in Jan acc to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Category:Indian_pastors this cfd], has been re-created, together with cats of pastors of varying nationalities. [[User:Pc1dmn|roundhouse]] 14:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:Oh dear, I really thought that he had turned over a new leaf. :(<br /> I have restored the history of [[:Category:Indian pastors]] to show the recreation, and tagged it for speedy deletion with {{tl|db-repost}}.<br />However, after all the work done in December and January, this really is getting unacceptably disruptive. I think it's time to go back to [[WP:ANI]], with a renewed request for a ban on category creation, so I have left a [[User talk:Pastorwayne#Recreating_deleted_categories_.28Category:Indian_pastors.29|note on Pw's talk page]]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 14:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC) |
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Some of these edits are truly disruptive. [[:Category:Methodism in Iowa]] and [[:Category:Methodism in Ohio]] appear to be attempts to game the system; they are recreations of the "minister by state" categories that had been deleted in December. I have nominated the categories for deletion. The creation of additional pastor categories when [[:Category:Christian pastors]] is being debated is also disruptive. [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 16:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:I hadn't spotted those others: how silly :(<br /> I'm afraid that I won't have the time to take action for a few days, but will get on the case next week. If anyone wants to start work in the meantime, I'll lend my support when I'm back. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 17:14, 15 February 2007 (UTC) |
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::Now we have [[:Category:Former Sikhs]] plus a clutch today of essential cats for Dominica stemming from [[Philip Potter (church leader)]]. [[User:Pc1dmn|-- roundhouse]] 20:56, 19 February 2007 (UTC) |
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::: And [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Minister_of_religion&diff=prev&oldid=109367530 here] he's moved a page + talk page in which specific previous objections have been made to precisely this move. A loose canon, perhaps. [[User:Pc1dmn|-- roundhouse]] 21:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC) |
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==Category:Attorneys General for England and Wales== |
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Heja, since you have created [[:Category:Attorneys General for England and Wales]], it might be interesting for you that [[:Category:Attorneys-General for England and Wales]] also exists. Perhaps you can redirect the one to the other one. Greetings <span style="color:darkgreen">~~ [[User:Phoe|<span style="color:darkgreen">Phoe</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Phoe|<span style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkgreen">talk</span>]]</sub> 20:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC) ~~ </span> |
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:Thanks! I have redirected [[:Category:Attorneys-General for England and Wales]] to [[:Category:Attorneys General for England and Wales]], and populated the latter with the AGs from 1800 onwards (where the articles exist, of course). --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|BrownHairedGirl]] <sup>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</sup> 22:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC) |
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:Thank '''you''' for your effort! Greetings <span style="color:darkgreen">~~ [[User:Phoe|<span style="color:darkgreen">Phoe</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Phoe|<span style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkgreen">talk</span>]]</sub> 06:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC) ~~ </span> |
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== [[Donna Shalala]] == |
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If I read the Donna Shalala article history correctly, you changed her category Miami University alumni to University of Miami alumni. Now she's president of University of Miami and listed in the category for presidents of that university but I never found a source stating that she actually studied there. After all, she studied at Western College for Women, which today is a part of Miami University in Ohio's Miami River Valley. Of course, Western College for Women was not a part of Miami University (which has nothing to do with her current university, University of Miami) then and for that reason it might be inaccurate to put her in the Miami University alumni categori as well (she already is listed in the "Alumnae of women's colleges and universities" category). |
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There was a lot of other stuff pointing in different directions in the Shalala article as well, somebody has apparently changed her Catholic religion to Jewish without giving a source (is she a very recent convert to Judaism?) and her middle name was stated as Esther rather than the Edna found at the Secretary of Health and Human Services page, to name one contrary source. [[User:128.214.205.4|128.214.205.4]] 11:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC) |
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==Winwick== |
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Heja, do you know perhaps to which constituency Winwick can refer?[http://www.thepeerage.com/p12291.htm#i122909]?. Unfortunately, it is no spelling error and Warwick is meant. The only other reference I have found in the net has led me to [[Warrington (UK Parliament constituency)|Warrington]], but this constituency was created in 1832 and cannot be the right therefore either. <span style="color:darkgreen">~~ [[User:Phoe|<span style="color:darkgreen">Phoe</span>]] <sub>[[User talk:Phoe|<span style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkgreen">talk</span>]]</sub> 19:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC) ~~ </span> |
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:Google maps also shows a Winwick in Northampton, about 10 km east of Rugby. [[User:Texicano|Texicano]] 18:26, 22 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== Latest Pastorwayne category == |
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Check [[:Category:Linguists of Biblical languages]]. This seemed very strange. Let me know if you agree with my assessment. Also, please keep me informed of any action against Pastorwayne. [[User:Dr. Submillimeter|Dr. Submillimeter]] 21:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== Off-line == |
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My laptop is misbehaving weirdly, so I may be off-line for up to a week while I try to fix it ... so please don't expect any replies from me for a while. Damn computers :( |
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:Mine too. It keeps moving the cursor 1 or 2 letters to the left in the browser. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 10:58, 24 February 2007 (UTC) |
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== User categories == |
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Is it really necessary to have [[:Category:Methodist Wikipedians]] and [[:Category:United Methodist Wikipedians]]? I suggest we afd the second. - [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster]] 10:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 11:46, 30 June 2024
Because I have had enough of pile-ons, timesink dramas, the relentless quote-mining in dispute-resolution, and the fundamentally broken "arbitration" process.
For a full explanation see this post
This talk page was last edited (diff) on 30 June 2024 at 11:46 by UtherSRG (talk • contribs • logs)
Sorry for your trouble
Hello BrownHairedGirl. I have just discovered the giant and overwhelmingly lengthy and detailed narrative of your eviction from the Kingdom of Wikipedia.
It's a shock, and it is disgusting to witness the ejection of one of the most prolific and esteemed contributors to the encyclopaedia. I have not tried to read all of the vast quantity of legal-forensic argument pertaining to this incident (I value my mental health) but it's appalling that the banishment of such an intelligent and skilled contributor could not have been avoided.
This outcome counts as a true convulsion and upheaval in the annals of Wikipedia. Three million edits, and now – "fuck off"! It's confounding and upsetting, even for a bystander.
Your user ID and mine can be found near each other in the edit histories of many articles but we barely had any mutual contact. My User Talk edit history shows only five edits of mine on your talk page (plus today's remarks, and edits of them). I have used the edit Thank feature to show appreciation for fewer than a handful of your edits.
Nevertheless, like so many others, I'm sure, I have borne silent, respectful, and dazed witness to your prodigious, spectacular, and unpaid labours in service to the encyclopaedia over the years. You have contributed a very significant portion of your life to this vast edifice. Your omnipresent work is a waxed thread binding together the calfskin cover and parchment pages of the Book of Everything read by more people than any other, all over the world. Your neverending contribution history is your monument.
It must be bewildering to be cast so unceremoniously into outer darkness from a satisfying daily activity to which you devoted so much time. As wonderful as the project is, it is also at times a lunatic asylum of disputation and rows cunningly designed to wreck anyone's delicate psychology – the Hell of Wikipedia. I try to avoid getting into lengthy wrangles with other editors as much as possible for that reason: they can be a source of profound and damaging frustration which eat so much of your time, which consume and disappear so much of your life.
It is about nine weeks since you stopped contributing so I don't know if you will ever see these belated remarks of mine, if you ever come back occasionally to read late additions to your talk page. You deserve every one of the appreciations and tributes left by other editors but perhaps you may no longer visit here, for the sake of your health.
If I was in your "Current location: Connacht" (according to your user page) I would invite you to share a few soft, creamy pints to wet your sorrows (my family roots reach deeply into dark Connacht turf).
It will be lonely not to see your name in article edit histories and I hope that after a period of deserved rest and healing you may eventually consider returning, perhaps as the older and wiser GreyHairedGirl. May you always dream of dmy dates. You are missed. O'Dea (talk) 00:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
My User Talk edit history shows only five edits of mine on your talk page (plus today's remarks, and edits of them). I have used the edit Thank feature to show appreciation for fewer than a handful of your edits.
Nevertheless, like so many others, I'm sure, I have borne silent, respectful, and dazed witness to your prodigious, spectacular, and unpaid labours in service to the encyclopaedia over the years. You have contributed a very significant portion of your life to this vast edifice.
- O'Dea, I second this. I don't think I can say all this better. It's one thing to see people I look up to retiring due to fatigue but quite another to see them cast off like this without even being able to reply on their own talk page. Something reserved for the lowest and worst offenders; surely this could have ended less cruelly knowing you and all the work you've done for 15+ years. I avoided reading your case because that defeats the purpose of my wikibreak. I refrain from editing too much or looking into the happenings here but when I see something like this, I cannot ignore it.
- To me, we crossed paths first roughly in the 2014s when I was a mere stripling of an editor. All I saw was an admin who really was approachable and advised me against my way of handling a minor issue regarding vandalism when I approached you. I
stalkedobserved the way you work and learnt things that shaped my own editing pattern and behaviour. A minor editing tip I embraced wholeheartedly was your 99% commitment to meaningful edit summaries.
- Hope real life is treating you much better. Wishes from India. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 07:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- word ---Sluzzelin talk 02:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC)