Conspiracy theories
The Dallas Morning News does a good job at taking apart the various conspiracy theories that have popped up, who knows whether they're motivated by paranoia or prejudice, but the news organization skillfully debunks them pretty well:
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Hopefully these WP:RS & WP:V secondary sources are helpful to you in providing some clarity to this situation,
— Cirt (talk) 17:10, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks! - Cwobeel (talk) 17:14, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Good luck to you, — Cirt (talk) 17:16, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- Great job on Conspiracy theories sect. I wonder if the so-called "analysis" sect should be merged into the Conspiracy theories sect as well, since most of the sources in the "analysis" sect violate WP:RS (as I see you already observed), and therefore violate WP:BLP and probably wouldn't stand up to intense scrutiny at the noticeboard WP:BLPN, per WP:FRINGE -- curious what you think? — Cirt (talk) 03:37, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
- You're welcome. Good luck to you, — Cirt (talk) 17:16, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm just wondering because if you cut out the most obvious sources that fail WP:RS in the "Clock photo analysis" sect, there's not much there of substance. I'm seeing sources like:
- TechWorm
- Maxim.com
- PJ Media
- Twitter post itself - obvious primary source, fails WP:NOR
- The Daily Caller
- Blogs.artvoice.com - blog section of its site
- medvr.ict.usc.edu - fine in an article about the guy himself, but use of primary source in this manner in this article fails WP:NOR
I could be wrong, and of course it's open to interpretation, but Wikipedia itself seems to identify The Daily Caller as conservative, and it seems like 99% of the Conspiracy theories are being fomented by people of that ilk. But the more serious matter is WP:RS. These sources, for use in this article, could potentially be discussed individually one-at-a-time, either at WP:RSN or WP:BLPN. Gotta stick to WP:RS, right? — Cirt (talk) 03:49, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
- Can you weigh in on the talk page? Your participation would be more effective that manner. If you want to stay out of it though, I'd understand. - Cwobeel (talk) 03:51, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah I'd rather focus on other projects. But about WP:RS -- Conversely, if you get a ruling at WP:RSN that The Dallas Morning News is a reliable secondary source, then stuff like this should be easy to address -- as either The Dallas Morning News is a valid secondary source that meets WP:RS, or it isn't. And if it is, then it's reliable for facts, without attribution every single time it's used, you know? — Cirt (talk) 03:53, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
WP:WTA (specifically WP:ALLEGED) includes "allegations". Might want to just keep it simple and leave that sect title short as Conspiracy theories. Thoughts? — Cirt (talk) 16:42, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
- Check out how much space is given to discussing Conspiracy theories in the Good Article quality rated page -- September 11 attacks. What do you think of that as a pretty "good quality" model to use with how much weight to give to conspiracy theories (identified as such by The Dallas Morning News) in the article? — Cirt (talk) 22:59, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
- Cirt: See Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Ahmed_Mohamed_clock_incident - Cwobeel (talk) 01:46, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Ahmed Mohamed Clock Incident
That section on the incident, which seems to focus on the Mohamed family dealing with the aftermath of it, should also include more of Ahmed and his family's remarks on what happened during the incident once there was talk about if it was a bomb or not and how he felt about being handcuffed, etc., in order to give his side. There have been many remarks from them that have been widely reported, but there's really not much there on that, including, for example, an actual quote from him about it being only a clock and that he never said it was a bomb. I don't have the time right now to add anthing, but it's a suggestion if you would have time. If not I might sometime soon or will suggest on the talk page that a little more gets added. Psalm84 (talk) 01:48, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
- Psalm84: There are plenty of sources covering these aspects, but the article now is a mess, with unattributed minority opinions in the lead presented as facts, and undue weight aspects regarding the Mayor's comments. - Cwobeel (talk) 02:54, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
The Dallas Morning News has a bit more out with a newer article:
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Hope that's helpful, — Cirt (talk) 04:43, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
Photo was cropped out
Photo was cropped out. Image used in article now redirects to File:NASA - We're supporters of STEM and inspiring kids like Ahmed to pursue their dreams (cropped out photo).jpg. This one is only work of NASA. — Cirt (talk) 19:17, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
- Perhaps this image might have more value File:NASA tweet to student Ahmed Mohamed.jpg ? — Cirt (talk) 20:51, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Multiple sources characterizing as conspiracy theories
Sorry if there is an impression that only one source is calling these conspiracy theories.
That is inaccurate.
Multiple sources characterizing as conspiracy theories:
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Bolded emphasis added to relevant quotations.
Hopefully cited sources above are helpful,
— Cirt (talk) 23:59, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
- Again, Words to Avoid generally include "allegations" and "claims"... Maybe just reverse sect title, not "Hoax allegations and conspiracy theories" but Conspiracy theories and hoax claims or just simply Conspiracy theories, keep it simple? — Cirt (talk) 16:20, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
White House Press Briefing video
White House Press Briefing video file.
Public domain licensed as a product of the Executive Office of the President of the United States.
Could be useful and encyclopedic, what do you think?
— Cirt (talk) 00:22, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Not sure why the video was removed, it's unquestionably part of the incident history, right? — Cirt (talk) 01:16, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
International meeting at Friday dinner
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There's a lot more sources reporting on this meeting that took place, but that's probably sufficient for now.
— Cirt (talk) 00:47, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you, Cirt, but I think the AFD concluded that the article is about the incident and not about the person. I guess that if he becomes more notable and additional such meetings and coverage emerges, we could create a BLP for the person. - Cwobeel (talk) 00:50, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- He gave a speech beforehand about the incident. He also went to Maker Faire and spoke about it there link. And he gave the introduction at the UN Social Good Summit link. And he met Queen Rania of Jordan link. This will get more coverage in sources, presumably. — Cirt (talk) 00:56, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Good. Keep it coming, and we can start a stub BLP for the kid. - Cwobeel (talk) 01:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- That's up to you, but for now if he's making speeches at international gatherings about the incident, could that go in the article about the incident? — Cirt (talk) 01:04, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Do you have the link for the speech at international gathering? That would be great. - Cwobeel (talk) 01:08, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- From the first source cited in this sect, above: "Despite everything, we should always be creative, even when others turn you down. My dream is to raise consciousness against racism and discrimination.". — Cirt (talk) 01:14, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Mind you, that's a quote from his statement before the Friday dinner. As for the introduction at the UN Social Good Summit link there's this source so far, but probably hopefully other better sources tomorrow that will report on that event. Eg link and link. That seems to be a major new development, don't you think? — Cirt (talk) 01:40, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- From the first source cited in this sect, above: "Despite everything, we should always be creative, even when others turn you down. My dream is to raise consciousness against racism and discrimination.". — Cirt (talk) 01:14, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Do you have the link for the speech at international gathering? That would be great. - Cwobeel (talk) 01:08, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- That's up to you, but for now if he's making speeches at international gatherings about the incident, could that go in the article about the incident? — Cirt (talk) 01:04, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Good. Keep it coming, and we can start a stub BLP for the kid. - Cwobeel (talk) 01:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Regarding the UN Week event, here's more info on Social Good Summit in NYC -- although unfortunately, again, best to wait for better sources on this event. Just FYI for now, — Cirt (talk) 16:55, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Received commendation from New York City Comptroller Scott Stringer link, and New York City Public Advocate Letitia James proclaims Ahmed Day link. Should not use these links as they are primary sources, but hopefully secondary sources will come out about this. Just FYI, — Cirt (talk) 19:31, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Impact of T-shirt on public perception of NASA culture
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Relevant portion of article quoted, above.
Though there's a bit more context in the article that's also relevant on the impact.
A most interesting development, yes? — Cirt (talk) 16:03, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Indeed. - Cwobeel (talk) 16:08, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Whoops, forgot the work field. Cite fixed, above. The New York Observer is the publication. — Cirt (talk) 16:18, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah so it's not The Observer but The New York Observer, currently pointing to the wrong one, sorry about that. Now fixed in cite, above. — Cirt (talk) 20:09, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Whoops, forgot the work field. Cite fixed, above. The New York Observer is the publication. — Cirt (talk) 16:18, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
pocketknife
Did you ever end up picking something up? Due to my own mishaps, I lost the knife I had been carrying before (the discontinued vertex) and replaced it with the M4. Its functionally fairly similar to the vertex, and I like its looks even more (although its a tad bit more bulky) but it has some fit/finish issues that annoy me. http://www.amazon.com/Columbia-River-Knife-Tools-M4-02W/dp/B0033H7V72/ref=pd_sim_469_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=08PYRZZ8BXEQAPYGKWST&dpID=31p6LZE%2BjOL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_ 19:23, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- No, I could not find a Vertex so I gave up and stuck with my basic locking one. I'll check the M4. - Cwobeel (talk) 20:06, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Weasel Zippers
Is this a reliable source? Weasel Zippers? Really? I mean really? Cmon, really? (think Saturday Night Live when reading that, lol).
I mean if taken to WP:RSN or WP:BLPN, clearly lots of sources used in this page would be outright rejected and users warned, for edits like DIFF and DIFF.
Maybe it's time to evaluate individual sources on a specific case-by-case basis at WP:RSN or WP:BLPN -- with specific examples of problematic editing like above DIFFs ?
What do you think?
— Cirt (talk) 21:12, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- LOL. Can you revert these? I am at my limit on that article. - Cwobeel (talk) 21:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Rather than revert, why not just bring it to WP:BLPN and see how those edits hold up to scrutiny there? — Cirt (talk) 21:16, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Posted at WP:FT/N, in that thread there about the incident. - Cwobeel (talk) 21:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Reported, at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Weasel_Zippers_source_and_others.2C_at_page_with_controversial_claims_about_14-year-old-boy. Report look okay? — Cirt (talk) 21:26, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Left a link to that thread, hopefully for more eyes on it, at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Eyes_needed_for_BLPN_thread. — Cirt (talk) 21:31, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Reported, at Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Weasel_Zippers_source_and_others.2C_at_page_with_controversial_claims_about_14-year-old-boy. Report look okay? — Cirt (talk) 21:26, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Posted at WP:FT/N, in that thread there about the incident. - Cwobeel (talk) 21:19, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Rather than revert, why not just bring it to WP:BLPN and see how those edits hold up to scrutiny there? — Cirt (talk) 21:16, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
@Cirt: Can you help putting together a 3RR report for [1]? - Cwobeel (talk) 21:53, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
- Done, at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Elduderino_reported_by_User:Cirt_.28Result:_.29. — Cirt (talk) 21:53, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
Going to Qatar
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Most notable developments. — Cirt (talk) 22:35, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
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- WP:RS source. Met Mayor of New York City Bill de Blasio, Comptroller of New York City Scott Stringer, New York City Public Advocate Letitia James, and members of New York City Council. Visit arranged by NYPD Muslim Officers Society. — Cirt (talk) 02:14, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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- Another WP:RS source for same info related to New York City trip, above. — Cirt (talk) 03:26, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
Violation of WP:GS/SCW sanctions
Dear user, per WP:GF please self-revert on article Arab Winter ([2]), which is a second revert in 24hr. You have already been warned on this topic.GreyShark (dibra) 07:00, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Greyshark09:. Thanks for the heads up. Done. - - Cwobeel (talk) 16:56, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
OP
By "OP" I meant the first message in the section. I was just trying to get the discussion off the side issue regarding the wording of the first message in the section, which you have apparently gotten past. Good. --Bob K31416 (talk) 01:52, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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Protecting BLPs
If I haven't already given you a barnstar earlier, I'd give you another one here for your great work at Ahmed Mohamed clock incident. -Darouet (talk) 00:14, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Well, I can help with that:
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Your efforts at Ahmed Mohamed clock incident clearly show that you're WP:Here to build an encyclopedia and are fighting the good fight to achieve it. Incidentally, thank you for fixing my bone-headed accidental revert of a couple of hours ago. —BarrelProof (talk) 03:23, 6 October 2015 (UTC) |
Thank you! - Cwobeel (talk) 03:46, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
Halloween costume interesting indicator of entry into popular culture
Halloween costume interesting indicator of entry into popular culture:
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— Cirt (talk) 17:13, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
- Unbelievable... - Cwobeel (talk) 17:17, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
- Noteworthy to mention somewhere in the article or somewhere else? Indicator of going past simply "one event"? What do you think? — Cirt (talk) 19:57, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
White House Astronomy Night
I've researched, wrote, and created an article on White House Astronomy Night.
Hopefully it will get more incoming links over time -- and I posted some neutrally-worded-notices to talk pages of WikiProjects related to science education.
How do you think it looks so far?
— Cirt (talk) 15:17, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
Conceptually, this is something of Obama's I could get behind, as a way to encourage youth STEM. but I gotta say, the white house lawn is a catastrophically bad place to do astronomy from, the light pollution (not to mention normal pollution) is as bad as one could possibly get except for perhaps Manhattan, or half time during the Superbowl with the lights on. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:30, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
- Never had the pleasure to visit the White House, so I am not familiar with the atmospheric conditions there. But in any case, I think having this event at the White House is merely symbolic and a good effort to attract attention to the subject and acknowledge innovators. - Cwobeel (talk) 16:36, 7 October 2015 (UTC)