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:Nanotechnology, particularly in the magical robots sense advanced by the Foresight Institute, is fringe science. You are literally paid to advocate nanotechnology as a respectable non-fringe field on Wikipedia. These are objectively facts. There is no "accusation" to withdraw - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] ([[User talk:David Gerard#top|talk]]) 00:17, 20 May 2018 (UTC) |
:Nanotechnology, particularly in the magical robots sense advanced by the Foresight Institute, is fringe science. You are literally paid to advocate nanotechnology as a respectable non-fringe field on Wikipedia. These are objectively facts. There is no "accusation" to withdraw - [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] ([[User talk:David Gerard#top|talk]]) 00:17, 20 May 2018 (UTC) |
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::I see where the misunderstanding is. Yes, the type of nanotechnology advocated by Drexler and the Foresight Institute of mechanical nanorobots isn't considered feasible or scientifically valid by most scientists, though it is notable for its historical role in the development of the field. However, nanotechnology as a field is much larger, and contains much legitimate research on things such as nanoparticles, semiconductor fabrication, and supramolecular chemistry. Top universities have faculty working in nanotechnology, and the U.S. government alone spends $1.2 billion on nanotechnology research each year [http://www.nano.gov/about-nni/what/funding]. Do you think all of that is fringe science? Does [[Health and safety hazards of nanomaterials|this article]], which I wrote as part of my paid Wikipedian-in-Residence position, look like fringe science? I know that the Drexler vision tends to be more known in popular culture, but it isn't actually representative of nanotechnology research performed by scientists, and most people don't know that. [[User:Antony-22|Antony–'''''22''''']] (<sup>[[User talk:Antony-22|talk]]</sup>⁄<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Antony-22|contribs]]</sub>) 21:04, 21 May 2018 (UTC) |
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Please add IOTA (technology) to your spam patrol. Lot of hype on that page right now, just pruned a lot. Thanks Jtbobwaysf (talk) 09:13, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Facto Post – Issue 8 – 15 January 2018
Facto Post – Issue 8 – 15 January 2018
![]() Metadata on the MarchFrom the days of hard-copy liner notes on music albums, metadata have stood outside a piece or file, while adding to understanding of where it comes from, and some of what needs to be appreciated about its content. In the GLAM sector, the accumulation of accurate metadata for objects is key to the mission of an institution, and its presentation in cataloguing. Today Wikipedia turns 17, with worlds still to conquer. Zooming out from the individual GLAM object to the ontology in which it is set, one such world becomes apparent: GLAMs use custom ontologies, and those introduce massive incompatibilities. From a recent article by sadads, we quote the observation that "vocabularies needed for many collections, topics and intellectual spaces defy the expectations of the larger professional communities." A job for the encyclopedist, certainly. But the data-minded Wikimedian has the advantages of Wikidata, starting with its multilingual data, and facility with aliases. The controlled vocabulary — sometimes referred to as a "thesaurus" as term of art — simplifies search: if a "spade" must be called that, rather than "shovel", it is easier to find all spade references. That control comes at a cost. ![]() ![]() Case studies in that article show what can lie ahead. The schema crosswalk, in jargon, is a potential answer to the GLAM Babel of proliferating and expanding vocabularies. Even if you have no interest in Wikidata as such, simply vocabularies V and W, if both V and W are matched to Wikidata, then a "crosswalk" arises from term v in V to w in W, whenever v and w both match to the same item d in Wikidata. For metadata mobility, match to Wikidata. It's apparently that simple: infrastructure requirements have turned out, so far, to be challenges that can be met. Links
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Facto Post – Issue 9 – 5 February 2018
Facto Post – Issue 9 – 5 February 2018
![]() Wikidata as HubOne way of looking at Wikidata relates it to the semantic web concept, around for about as long as Wikipedia, and realised in dozens of distributed Web institutions. It sees Wikidata as supplying central, encyclopedic coverage of linked structured data, and looks ahead to greater support for "federated queries" that draw together information from all parts of the emerging network of websites. ![]() Another perspective might be likened to a photographic negative of that one: Wikidata as an already-functioning Web hub. Over half of its properties are identifiers on other websites. These are Wikidata's "external links", to use Wikipedia terminology: one type for the DOI of a publication, another for the VIAF page of an author, with thousands more such. Wikidata links out to sites that are not nominally part of the semantic web, effectively drawing them into a larger system. The crosswalk possibilities of the systematic construction of these links was covered in Issue 8. Wikipedia:External links speaks of them as kept "minimal, meritable, and directly relevant to the article." Here Wikidata finds more of a function. On viaf.org one can type a VIAF author identifier into the search box, and find the author page. The Wikidata Resolver tool, these days including Open Street Map, Scholia etc., allows this kind of lookup. The hub tool by maxlath takes a major step further, allowing both lookup and crosswalk to be encoded in a single URL. Links
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Crying Sun Records
There is currently a discussion at Crying Sun Records to redirect/merge it with Radio Birdman, your comments/feedback are welcome at Crying Sun Records merger proposal. Dan arndt (talk) 10:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Creation of BookMyShow
I think the site BookMyShow has gained enough notability and coverage , It qualifies for an article . What are your thoughts? Notability AyaanLamar (talk) 11:32, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- Not sure, though I see a little more WP:RS coverage since the AFD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bookmyshow. Definitely one for AFC/draft first - David Gerard (talk) 11:53, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
- They deleted the draft, too, FYI. Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:BookMyShow. —Cryptic 01:57, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Editing News #1—2018
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Recent changes
- The 2017 wikitext editor is available as a Beta Feature on desktop devices. It has the same toolbar as the visual editor and can use the citoid service and other modern tools. The team have been comparing the performance of different editing environments. They have studied how long it takes to open the page and start typing. The study uses data for more than one million edits during December and January. Some changes have been made to improve the speed of the 2017 wikitext editor and the visual editor. Recently, the 2017 wikitext editor opened fastest for most edits, and the 2010 WikiEditor was fastest for some edits. More information will be posted at mw:Contributors/Projects/Editing performance.
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Facto Post – Issue 10 – 12 March 2018
Facto Post – Issue 10 – 12 March 2018
![]() Milestone for mix'n'matchAround the time in February when Wikidata clicked past item Q50000000, another milestone was reached: the mix'n'match tool uploaded its 1000th dataset. Concisely defined by its author, Magnus Manske, it works "to match entries in external catalogs to Wikidata". The total number of entries is now well into eight figures, and more are constantly being added: a couple of new catalogs each day is normal. Since the end of 2013, mix'n'match has gradually come to play a significant part in adding statements to Wikidata. Particularly in areas with the flavour of digital humanities, but datasets can of course be about practically anything. There is a catalog on skyscrapers, and two on spiders. These days mix'n'match can be used in numerous modes, from the relaxed gamified click through a catalog looking for matches, with prompts, to the fantastically useful and often demanding search across all catalogs. I'll type that again: you can search 1000+ datasets from the simple box at the top right. The drop-down menu top left offers "creation candidates", Magnus's personal favourite. m:Mix'n'match/Manual for more. For the Wikidatan, a key point is that these matches, however carried out, add statements to Wikidata if, and naturally only if, there is a Wikidata property associated with the catalog. For everyone, however, the hands-on experience of deciding of what is a good match is an education, in a scholarly area, biographical catalogs being particularly fraught. Underpinning recent rapid progress is an open infrastructure for scraping and uploading. Congratulations to Magnus, our data Stakhanovite! Links![]()
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Nomination of Fresh (band) for deletion
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Ian Grigg
Hello David. You seem to have a lot of information on blockchain. I have two questions for you:
1. In the leaked documents that is used by the late David Kleimen's family to sue CSW, Craig is referring to David as one of the three persons involved in developing bitcoin. I am wondering if you have any thoughts on who might the third person be.
2. Who is Ian Grigg anyways?
Thanks --Kazemita1 (talk) 16:36, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
- I researched this heavily for the Craig Wright section of my own book on bitcoins and blockchains.
- I'll state straight out, based on the evidence, that I think Wright had nothing whatsoever to do with the creation of bitcoin.
- I could find no evidence that didn't come via Wright that Kleiman had any interest whatsoever in cryptocurrency, or even in programming. The closest was a quote in Andrew O'Hagan's LRB profile of Wright from Wright's ex-wife talking about them visiting Kleiman - but given the complete absence of other non-Wright evidence, I'd class that as "from Wright".
- That's all original research for Wikipedia purposes and my book's done quite well, but it's probably not an RS itself yet ;-)
- Grigg is someone who blogs about financial cryptography. He has stated that he knows personally that Wright and Kleiman developed bitcoin. I see no reason to lend any credibility to this. He works at R3 on their not-a-blockchain product, and Wright quoted him in one of his backdated blog posts, so he's not completely unrelated to the area.
- - David Gerard (talk) 17:23, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
- Hello again David. I am wondering if there is any way to access CSW's old blog through some web archive or something. Do you happen to know its name by any chance? Thanks.--Kazemita1 (talk) 05:38, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
- Wright's blog with the backdated posts was at http://gse-compliance.blogspot.com/ - you may be able to find some of the posts through archive.org (which is how people worked out he'd backdated them, and given the apparently backdated PGP key I think assuming backdating of the blog is not unreasonable) or archive.is - David Gerard (talk) 08:22, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
- Hello again David. I am wondering if there is any way to access CSW's old blog through some web archive or something. Do you happen to know its name by any chance? Thanks.--Kazemita1 (talk) 05:38, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Facto Post – Issue 11 – 9 April 2018
Facto Post – Issue 11 – 9 April 2018
![]() The 100 Skins of the OnionOpen Citations Month, with its eminently guessable hashtag, is upon us. We should be utterly grateful that in the past 12 months, so much data on which papers cite which other papers has been made open, and that Wikidata is playing its part in hosting it as "cites" statements. At the time of writing, there are 15.3M Wikidata items that can do that. Pulling back to look at open access papers in the large, though, there is is less reason for celebration. Access in theory does not yet equate to practical access. A recent LSE IMPACT blogpost puts that issue down to "heterogeneity". A useful euphemism to save us from thinking that the whole concept doesn't fall into the realm of the oxymoron. Some home truths: aggregation is not content management, if it falls short on reusability. The PDF file format is wedded to how humans read documents, not how machines ingest them. The salami-slicer is our friend in the current downloading of open access papers, but for a better metaphor, think about skinning an onion, laboriously, 100 times with diminishing returns. There are of the order of 100 major publisher sites hosting open access papers, and the predominant offer there is still a PDF. ![]() From the discoverability angle, Wikidata's bibliographic resources combined with the SPARQL query are superior in principle, by far, to existing keyword searches run over papers. Open access content should be managed into consistent HTML, something that is currently strenuous. The good news, such as it is, would be that much of it is already in XML. The organisational problem of removing further skins from the onion, with sensible prioritisation, is certainly not insuperable. The CORE group (the bloggers in the LSE posting) has some answers, but actually not all that is needed for the text and data mining purposes they highlight. The long tail, or in other words the onion heart when it has become fiddly beyond patience to skin, does call for a pis aller. But the real knack is to do more between the XML and the heart. Links
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Nomination of Fresco (windowing system) for deletion
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Conflict of interest
I would have appreciated if you brought your concerns about conflict of interest to me before posting them at the noticeboard. You appear to have misinterpreted the purpose of my Wikipedian-in-Residence position. I work for the U.S. National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, a federal laboratory that performs research on workplace health and safety. My position is not intended in any way to advocate for new technologies, but in fact to ensure that there is reliable information about their health and safety hazards.
I was and still am happy to bring more people into the discussion as it seems we're unlikely to agree on the policy issues, but you have accused me of some fairly serious transgressions in an area which is controversial on Wikipedia right now. I fear that the way you have worded these will make it harder, not easier, to constructively resolve the policy issues. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 15:29, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
I’m sorry if there has been any misunderstanding. I have not been paid to edit the Feynman Prize article or any other article outside of my Wikipedian-in-Residence position. None of my work on Wikipedia, paid or unpaid, has ever advocated fringe theories. User:Fuzheado and User:Doc James can confirm this. Please withdraw your accusations at COIN and AfD. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 09:31, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
- Nanotechnology, particularly in the magical robots sense advanced by the Foresight Institute, is fringe science. You are literally paid to advocate nanotechnology as a respectable non-fringe field on Wikipedia. These are objectively facts. There is no "accusation" to withdraw - David Gerard (talk) 00:17, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
- I see where the misunderstanding is. Yes, the type of nanotechnology advocated by Drexler and the Foresight Institute of mechanical nanorobots isn't considered feasible or scientifically valid by most scientists, though it is notable for its historical role in the development of the field. However, nanotechnology as a field is much larger, and contains much legitimate research on things such as nanoparticles, semiconductor fabrication, and supramolecular chemistry. Top universities have faculty working in nanotechnology, and the U.S. government alone spends $1.2 billion on nanotechnology research each year [4]. Do you think all of that is fringe science? Does this article, which I wrote as part of my paid Wikipedian-in-Residence position, look like fringe science? I know that the Drexler vision tends to be more known in popular culture, but it isn't actually representative of nanotechnology research performed by scientists, and most people don't know that. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 21:04, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Community authorized discretionary sanctions proposal
David, thought you might be interested: A proposal to impose community authorized discretionary sanctions on all articles related to blockchain and cryptocurrencies, broadly construed, is currently being discussed at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#General_sanctions_proposal. Your comments are appreciated at that discussion. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 05:20, 18 May 2018 (UTC)