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Thanks for your work on the description of Muhammad. Sorry I've been of so little help on Rajput. Busy busy. Learning about mtDNA, PIE, and the homeland of the "Aryans". Witzel thinks the Indo-Iranian homeland was the central plateau of Afghanistan, which I find convincing. I've been arguing with Iranian nationalists, who are convinced that I'm an Arab just pretending to be a honkie. I may also be a Jew. I think I'll start a list on my user page of all the things I've been called. [[User:Zora|Zora]] 10:01, 11 March 2006 (UTC) |
Thanks for your work on the description of Muhammad. Sorry I've been of so little help on Rajput. Busy busy. Learning about mtDNA, PIE, and the homeland of the "Aryans". Witzel thinks the Indo-Iranian homeland was the central plateau of Afghanistan, which I find convincing. I've been arguing with Iranian nationalists, who are convinced that I'm an Arab just pretending to be a honkie. I may also be a Jew. I think I'll start a list on my user page of all the things I've been called. [[User:Zora|Zora]] 10:01, 11 March 2006 (UTC) |
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: Witzel article available online at [http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~witzel/AryanHome.pdf]. Yes, home of both Iranians and Indo-Aryans. High cold land, summer-winter mountain transhumance, tribes flowing out of plateau along river valleys, through passes (just look at map ... ). Also reading Bryant on AIT, will read Mallory, have read various articles on Harappan "script". Loved the idea that the symbols were more like highway signs than a syllabary. Suggestion that Harappans were multi-lingual and that this may explain why symbols were preferable to actual writing. Possible start of Indian tendency to encapsulate rather than convert? |
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: The Iranians are just as scary as the Hindutva folk. If they get the bomb too, that's an axis of potential insanity right across central Asia. [[User:Zora|Zora]] 10:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC) |
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Hey dab, how about some fun? (Instead of all this dead-serious linguist's business with all the constant crank and troll fighting :-) You wouldn't have any good sources on him, would you? How about helping me to extend this article? Lupo 11:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- For instance, a free image of Undine would be great. Lupo 11:52, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Arvanitic again
Hi Dieter, could you have a quick look at Talk:Arvanitic language once more, and at User:LukasPietsch/Arvanitic? Don't worry, it's not currently under POV-pushing fire, rather the contrary: I worked out a compromise proposal, and suddenly all the warriors have gone hiding and can't even be bothered to comment. Eerie silence. Right now, all we need is another endorsement of the proposal (or competent suggestions for further changes, obviously) so that we can get the page unprotected. Personally, I have reasons to believe that several of the old disputants will not resume fighting. Lukas (T.|@) 12:57, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Your remarks about India
I have resonded to your comments on my talk page --BostonMA 13:00, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Timeline
Dbachmann, about Template:Timeline of the Migrations Period, I'm trying to port it to the portuguese wikipedia, but I fail to understand why there the text font is not the same as here. It seems EasyTimeLine has a bug which may be prevented using a monospace font. The one used at your timeline is as such, but not on pt:. Do you know how to fix this? Here is an example (bottom). Please type back, Nuno Tavares 20:01, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
After your efficient tackling of India-related issues, I would like to ask you to look into this edit: some anon keeps claiming that the arch was invented by Indians. Also, knowing you attitude towards pseudoscientific claims, you may be interested to check Itigilov. Cheers, Ghirla | talk 20:11, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
I have requested unprotection. Kadmos 08:41, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
sock puppets on Rajput are back
I have done some language improvement on the top section of the page, as well as remove some cross referenced pages added to the article (why put another article into an article? a link would do?) I have removed a section re the contentious Muslim conversion and rajputs saving hinduism issue also.
Without a doubt you have most likely become sick of this page I am sure (lol) but there appears to be some quite dedicated sock puppets returning on the Rajputs page. Is there anything that can be done about this?
Otherwise, hope you are in the best of health and no doubt enjoying respite from this article :) --Raja 15:28, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi dab, maybe you'd like to check out a problem on Category talk:Alphabets? Alexander 007 15:51, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
Rune deletions
Glad to see they did not de-admin you, what a silly thing to propose. Anyways, no need to feel guilty. The copyvio issue is a big concern, so I speedily deleted them to avoid ANY issues. I am not sure why I started the project to document every single rune inscription by Rundata into a more regionalized, easy to read system. I have worked on this off wikipedia for a while and figured I'd share. The end result will hopefully involve maps of the districts with pointers to each stone. Uppland is going to be big map.. Regardless of all that, I value your opinion since you are an experienced Wikipedian, but more importantly, quite the educated mind on a lot of topics. So; Is adding lists of the rune inscriptions for each district worth it? It appears the Rundata folks have gone offline as the download page is no longer working, and without the translations I am concerned it is not note-worthy. Mceder 04:51, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Ge'ez Letters and Phoenician alphabet
I realize that SA and Ge'ez scripts don't descend from Phoenician and come from the earlier Proto-Sinaitic or Middle Bronze Age scripts, but the articles that I added Ge'ez letters to don't say that they're for alphabets descended from Phoenician. They just say they're for the letter X in the Semitic alphabets (which include Ge'ez and SA). If the article is simply for Phoenician letters and its descendants, then I agree with you, but I just don't think that is (the case (or if it is, it isn't shown or implied in the article). Even then, showing the evolution of certain letters in all the semitic abjads might be more informative. Yom 18:53, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Should there then be a "Proto-Sinaitic Alphabet" or "Middle Bronze Age Alphabet" template to put in the specific semitic letter articles, then? Certainly the article on the letter "shin" isn't limited to the letter "shin" only when it has descended from the Phoenician alphabet.
- Yom 21:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Grapheus
80* is a crank; Faucounau may well be. The only reason I have for thinking them distinct is that 80* does not seem to understand Faucounau's theories any better than anyone else's. Faucounau does know what Ionic is, and he is reasonably careful about differentiating
- inherited η, from IE ē and ee, which he represents in transcribing the signs as e
- and transformed η, from IE ā. which he represents by ae.
Also 80* cannot explain Faucounau's epigraphic arguments on the direction, whereas he does, at length. I see no reason to try to understand and summarize them myself. I think the loyal English-speaking niece is plausible. Septentrionalis 20:54, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- My Greek grammar restricted itself to Attic, without confusing the student with dialect. Faucounau's solution doesn't convince me, any mote than it convinced Faure, but there is always a chance that a time-traveller would confirm it; and you're right about the alternate Faucounau seeing proto-Phoenicans everywhere.
- I don't see the use of Homer as all that silly, compared to the rest of it. If you're going to do this sort of acrophonic guesswork, I recall Authenreith's Homeric lexicon as being larger and more useful than the scraps we have of Mycenean. Septentrionalis 21:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- If you have access to REG, look at Faure's review. He really is remarkably careful about what he endorses IIRC: not the constellation-makers, not Hallstatt, just the Ionian-speaking seafarers of 1500 BC, who may explain some anomalies in Mycenaean. For the rest of it: Faure is silent; and yes, I agree bosh, with no proven connexion to the Ionians and less to the Disc. Septentrionalis 21:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- You sound like you need a deep breath and a Wikibreak; but I agree: Vacuous. Septentrionalis 21:59, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- Good night:
- You sound like you need a deep breath and a Wikibreak; but I agree: Vacuous. Septentrionalis 21:59, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
- If you have access to REG, look at Faure's review. He really is remarkably careful about what he endorses IIRC: not the constellation-makers, not Hallstatt, just the Ionian-speaking seafarers of 1500 BC, who may explain some anomalies in Mycenaean. For the rest of it: Faure is silent; and yes, I agree bosh, with no proven connexion to the Ionians and less to the Disc. Septentrionalis 21:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Re: IAR
Heh, the problem is, I don't posses the means to semi-protect and even if I did, I'd be too involved. Anyway, if the IP reverts again, it'll be a 3RRvio; if Rose-mary reverts two more times, it'll be a 3RRvio, so keep hoping ;-) The problem is, that he seems to have other accounts; what we do need is a WP:RCU - I think I'll make one (unless one's already been made). --Latinus 20:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
BTW I'm sure if you requested semi-protection, explained the circumstances and reminded uninvolved sysops of IAR and that what we're supposed to be doing here is writing an encyclopaedia, it may work - who knows? They're more likely to grant it if you request it than I or Septentrionalis. --Latinus 20:14, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Tell me, if I logged out and started vandalising, would that give you a good enough excuse to semi-protect (joking?) --Latinus 20:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Look at what Raul654 had to say about it Wikipedia:Requests for CheckUser#User:Rose-mary vs. User:80.90.57.154. I think it's time for mass block - I think Septentrionalis has already seen to it. --Latinus 21:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
You say "Shouldn't we consider Rose-mary the primary account, and 80.90 as Rose-mary editing logged out". That would be fine by me if you think it makes sense. I did it this way because 80.90 is the primary editor, and Rose-mary only shows up sporadically to support 80.90. --Macrakis 22:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- If there were an ArbCom decision that we had to put in a single sentence on "evidence" and JF's books, what would you put and why? I don't want to revert war with you, Rose-mary is confusing enough. The Mycenaean etymologies are out of my field, but Faure seemed reasonably impressed. Septentrionalis 15:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Ever had one of those stupid moments?
Thanks for correcting mine! violet/riga (t) 14:34, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Good work on Iranian peoples
You did a good job in editing the article. It looks much better and reads well. Tombseye 21:09, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Avesta
You changed the title of the section "The Zend-Avesta error" to "Terminology". I don't get it. The title of the article is Avesta, and a section "Terminology" implies Terminology of the Avesta, something that the section is certainly not about.
/me scratches head. -- Fullstop 15:20, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
ps: Avesta Terminology would need a whole encyclopaedia for itself. :)
the "error" title seemed to imply it was wrong to even speak of "Avesta", which would mean that the article is titled incorrectly. It is rather the case that current terminology (terms such as Avesta and Zend) was originally due to misunderstandings, but is now used as a matter of course just by convention. Before your reorganization, these things were discussed in the "History" section, which is probably where they belong (viz., History of the term). dab (ᛏ) 15:25, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
aah, I see what you mean - "nomenclature" (Namensgebung) rather than "terminology" (==within the Avesta). Perhaps a better title would then be "Zend-Avesta" (misnomer) or Zend-Avesta (etymological error)? -- Fullstop 15:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
ps: have you seen my comment on Talk:Gathas
see Talk:Avesta. You are right. I appear to have dropped the Yashts completely. -- Fullstop 16:45, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Finno-Ugric things again
Is User:Adam88 a reincarnation of User:Antifinnugor? I note that the latter's ban (see Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Antifinnugor#Remedies has expired a short while ago... Lupo 20:31, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- He did? (Break the ban, I mean) Well, in either case, if he repeats his or User:Antifinnugor's behavior, a new RfAr should be opened quickly, not just when it becomes unbearable. A sockpuppet check might also be in order then... Also note Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Page_swapped_to_hide_vandalism?. Lupo 20:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- I think Jewnyec was him, too. Got blocked pretty quickly, though. -- nyenyec ☎ 20:53, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Note Critique of Finno-Ugric and Uralic language groups (lower-case "g")... Lupo 20:56, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
- Stupid me, of course you'd be aware of that one... Lupo 21:08, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Just an advice
Was it irrational from my part to perform the following edits? [1] I mean check out that guy's personal page: User:Macedonian Is this kind of attitude allowed by wikipedia? Miskin 08:31, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
- That's nothing - look at this edit and User:Macedonia's userpage :-/ --Latinus 08:33, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
just in case you're working on Gathas:
Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: gâtha m. a song; a verse, stanza (especially one which is neither Ric, nor Saman, nor Yajus, a verse not belonging to the Vedas, but to the epic poetry of legends or Akhyanas, such as the Sunahsepa-Akhyana or the Suparn); the metrical part of a Sutra Buddh.; N. of the Arya metre; any metre not enumerated in the regular treatises on prosody (cf. Rig-gâthâ, riju-gâtha, yajya-gâthâ.)
Capeller's Sanskrit-English Dictionary: gâtha m. song; f. {gâthâ} the same, esp. a kind of rel. verse or stanza; N. of a metre (=âryâ).
Peterson's Avestan dictionary: gâthâ f. strophic form, hymn of a certain strophic form, group of hymns of the same strophic form, but ved. gatha- 'song' (Hum); specific hymns composed by Zoroaster; last 5 days of the year.
-- Fullstop 15:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Vandalism
Hi again Dab, sorry to bother you with yet more problems (I know no other better informed). There is anew user on the Rajput page who I am convinced is a sock pupet from earlier days, 10 000 typhoons. He is vandalising the Jarral page and extending propoganda there also. I believe he is doing this because I contributed to that page rather than for the better of that actual page. How do I go about reporting him for vandalism? Thanks. --Raja 17:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
New article you may be interested to check. --Ghirla -трёп- 17:37, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Edited this, and I haven't even gotten to the Pelasgian business. Have I been breaking a butterfly on a wheel? On the other hand, I did read JF; I deserve to have some fun out of it. Septentrionalis 03:52, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Hello
Good morning to you, dab. Hope things are nice at your end. Could see that the RfAr and other stuff are put to rest; for good, I suppose. Could you point me to something in brief about the Old Testaments please? I can't read Hebrew, but English would do. Also, any idea about the "Bibel Code theory"? Thanks. --ΜιĿːtalk 09:45, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi
Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Macedonia if you can. --Latinus 12:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the wikithanks
Hey Dab, I've commented on a few things over at Talk:Germanic neopaganism and slightly changed your lead in on the page itself - would you mind expressing your concerns and motives about the current goings on there? Glad to see you are back in the saddle. :D Thanks for your help! WeniWidiWiki 20:20, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
- I was referring to my repeated request for comments on Wotanism :D WeniWidiWiki 21:42, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey Dab, what is your opinion on what should be done with Wotanism? Please comment here if you have the time. At this point, I think it should be an independent article for the reasons listed at the link above. Thanks! WeniWidiWiki 17:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Deletion
What made you delete my statement on rajput talk? Do not do this in future else I will report you for vandalism. If you have a problem with what I say talk to me. =Bhannu 13:54, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I just started this and thought that you could give a few pointers as you have written quite a few of these. --Latinus 13:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
User:Asteraki is trying to frame the article so that it reads Greek dialect throughout etc. He added back the Greek language template, added POV sentences, added back the Category that was recently removed by you, and so on. Alexander 007 20:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
This user contacted me via email asking to be unblocked, can you explain to them why they were blocked, or tell me and I will do it. Thanks :) - cohesiont 07:40, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- from his only edit I took him to be an obvious sockpuppet of a recently banned user, back to "haunt" Talk:Rajput. dab (ᛏ) 08:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Ahh, ok, I thought it was probably something like that, but I didn't want to tell them that until I knew :) - cohesiont 08:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- They emailed me too. I am 99% sure Dieter was right to block, but I've asked the user to explain their comment on the talk page and confirm that they are not one of the banned users. There's nothing to stop them returning with another username, anyway (and being blocked again if they start pushing Hindu POV on that article). --ajn (talk) 10:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Liar
Calling a known liar, a liar is not an attack. You delete my handwriting and I will be compelled to reciprocate. =Bhannu 13:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Refs
Just want to be clear on a point I have broached before, tell me what you think, but IMO, the "References" list must cite works actually referred to in writing the article, not suggested extra reading. Hence the present list has an inglorious destiny in store, so why take the pain of working on it?? And if you must, you could (generally) use SS's helpful summaries to remove those books, the supposed info from which has lately been removed from that page. Although lol, if all he could find in "Annals and antiquities" was a reference to Surjan Hada, I don't know what to say, but anyway a new list will be slowly built up. Slowly. Regards, ImpuMozhi 20:36, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Hey Dab, will you move the Ásatrú Folk Assembly page to the Asatru Folk Assembly page? The AFA doesn't use accentual marks. I'd do it but it won't let me, since I'm not a moderator. Thanks! :bloodofox: 22:32, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
- Yes it will - I just did it. :) WeniWidiWiki 00:37, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
- Woops. Well, thanks! :D :bloodofox: 00:53, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
How would you feel about "Article titles with lowercase initial letters"? I'm trying to avoid dropping the object of the clause. -Harmil 13:57, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Sidekick?
- It is only natural that contributors exchanging views, often experience problems of communicating the register and the tone of their communications - especially on anonymous sites where anyone around the world can contribute (and that is great). So it is best to ask questions. My question to you is, what did you mean by stating: "User Politis [...] His anonymous sidekick switches to German for some random insults". What do you mean by 'his anonymous sidekick' and who is beiing 'insulting'? I think that is a fair question. Perhaps you can also translate the German so that I can understand it... Merci. Politis 16:11, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi there dab. As one who seems rather well-versed in the particulars of PIE and historical linguistics research (I am not), if you've the time would you be able to take a look at the above-mentioned article, and the ensuing discussion on its talk page. IMO it's a load of old monkeys, but am willing to hear any more knowledgeable comments on the topic. Cheers, --cjllw | TALK 03:16, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I wonder a bit why you mentioned Adam78 (talk · contribs) along with Adam88 (talk · contribs) and his socks in your post at WP:AN/I. It sounds as if you wanted to imply he's his sock too. My impression was he's clearly someone else, and was actually opposed to AFU? Lukas (T.|@) 09:42, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
XMK
Did you read my comments in XMK-talk (just above "Attic" headline)? Can you please help me with a response? NikoSilver 11:20, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Hi
Just to thank you for all the revertion of abuse -- I'd give you cookies 'n icecream, except that you seem to be so word-philic and pic-averse. I wager both those accounts are SS -- how to get rid of him?? One bad apple is painting his whole community black. Regards, ImpuMozhi 20:16, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the help
Thanks for your work on the description of Muhammad. Sorry I've been of so little help on Rajput. Busy busy. Learning about mtDNA, PIE, and the homeland of the "Aryans". Witzel thinks the Indo-Iranian homeland was the central plateau of Afghanistan, which I find convincing. I've been arguing with Iranian nationalists, who are convinced that I'm an Arab just pretending to be a honkie. I may also be a Jew. I think I'll start a list on my user page of all the things I've been called. Zora 10:01, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
- Witzel article available online at [2]. Yes, home of both Iranians and Indo-Aryans. High cold land, summer-winter mountain transhumance, tribes flowing out of plateau along river valleys, through passes (just look at map ... ). Also reading Bryant on AIT, will read Mallory, have read various articles on Harappan "script". Loved the idea that the symbols were more like highway signs than a syllabary. Suggestion that Harappans were multi-lingual and that this may explain why symbols were preferable to actual writing. Possible start of Indian tendency to encapsulate rather than convert?
- The Iranians are just as scary as the Hindutva folk. If they get the bomb too, that's an axis of potential insanity right across central Asia. Zora 10:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)