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Just to clarify regarding your previous decision, am I permitted to replace the Systemic Bias tag at [[American-led intervention in Iraq]] to continue solicitation of discussion or was it your feeling 6 hours was enough of a discussion on that? As I am the subject of active block-shopping by a tightly coordinated group of editors interfacing on IRC, I want to proceed with an over-abundance of caution in all my edits. Sorry for the hassle of this direct request and thanks, in advance. [[User:DocumentError|DocumentError]] ([[User talk:DocumentError|talk]]) 20:50, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
Just to clarify regarding your previous decision, am I permitted to replace the Systemic Bias tag at [[American-led intervention in Iraq]] to continue solicitation of discussion or was it your feeling 6 hours was enough of a discussion on that? As I am the subject of active block-shopping by a tightly coordinated group of editors interfacing on IRC and elsewhere ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Acetotyce]), I want to proceed with an over-abundance of caution in all my edits. Sorry for the hassle of this direct request and thanks, in advance. [[User:DocumentError|DocumentError]] ([[User talk:DocumentError|talk]]) 20:50, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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Suspected sock
- TitanSlayer232 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Hi, I noticed that you gave TitanSlayer232 a Ds/alert. From his contributions on Ariel University page it seems like it is a sock either of JarlaxleArtemis, Kipa Aduma, Esq. or AmirSurfLera. I have opened an SPI. I am not experienced in SPI matters, so I am not sure if I did the right thing or perhaps I moved too quickly. Kingsindian (talk) 21:24, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
- It doesn't hurt to make a report, but three suggestions you made for the sockmaster don't seem very likely. The three people you named have edited at Ariel University but are not blocked and have never been shown to be socks. The only one that could make sense is JarlaxleArtemis, but you would have to provide more data on the resemblances if you want to give any serious help to whoever handles the SPI. If an account has only four edits it doesn't provide us with much behavior to analyze. Better to wait and see where he goes from here. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 22:52, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, it seems you are right: the SPI has been closed as unrelated. I will keep your points in mind in the future. Kingsindian (talk) 06:30, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
Resumed edit warring by User:Ism schism
- Ism schism (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- 2014 Russian military intervention in Ukraine (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Hi Ed. On September 15 you closed this 3RR request [1] as stale, which it was, since the user after being reported for a 3RR violation ceased to edit war. In your closing note you wrote "But report again if the user resumes warring on the POV tag.". Well, Ism schism has resumed the edit war [2] [3]. Additionally he has also started new edit warr over other issues with other users [4] [5] [6]. Volunteer Marek 03:39, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Also, note that they have not engaged in any talk page discussion regarding the tag in between the closure and the resumption of the edit war [7]. Volunteer Marek 03:41, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
And more [8]. Volunteer Marek 03:49, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
And stalking [9]. Volunteer Marek 03:50, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
3rr violations of Volunteer Marek
- Tags do require consensus and User:Volunteer Marek has not attempted this on the talk page. They have simple reverted [10], [11], [12] are 3 reverts of the POV tag in the last day. This is disruptive editing without an attempt at new consensus. Many editors have commented in numerous threads on the talk page in order to address POV. The issues are there, and are being addressed by many constructive editors, aside from this editors attempts to simply delete the tag.
- Also, the accusation of "stalking" is a bit absurd and/or paranoid. I edit articles related to Ukraine. This editor know this as well.
- I have use the talk page to address these issues: [13], [14], [15], and work with other editors in trying to construct articles, find and address issues, and move towards NPOV. Thank you. Ism schism (talk) 12:41, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- This discussion is continued at User talk:Ism schism#A user has complained you are edit warring. EdJohnston (talk) 20:08, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Hasmens Here
Its not the removal of the sections that concerns me, it is the whole notion that the removal was are targeted racially motivated act on behalf of Dr.K. Dr.K's comment on GiorgosY user account clearly is evident of his nature, this is the exact remark he made;
Wikipedia articles on Cyprus do not look good at the moment, since they are lacking reality, truth and a more realistic way of presenting things plus that are full with turkish propaganda, like the 1571 one. Anyhow, I will see what I am going to do.
note that this user is now banned from repeated disruption and violation on wikipedia. On the other hand I feel that Admin Diana is possibly abusing there admin role. The nature that this was dealt with wasn't very positive nor constructive, nor was it neutral in any nature. I also noticed that sections that were not added by me were also removed leaving the article on Northern Cyprus in a terrible un-repaired state. I would like to foward this
Administrators are accountable for their actions involving administrator tools, and unexplained administrator actions can demoralize other editors who lack such tools. Subject only to the bounds of civility, avoiding personal attacks, and reasonable good faith, editors are free to question or to criticize administrator actions. Administrators are expected to respond promptly and civilly to queries about their Wikipedia-related conduct and administrator actions and to justify them when needed. Administrators who seriously, or repeatedly, act in a problematic manner or have lost the trust or confidence of the community may be sanctioned or have their access removed. In the past, this has happened or been suggested for.
I don't believe that Admin Diana has acted in an appropriate nature when dealing with this issue, I am aware that the sections were copyright but the nature in which it was dealt was wrong. This is not what Wikipedia should be about. I was not aware of the copyright issues as I was still new to editing on Wikipedia and still learning, if I were to put the information into my own words Dr.K still disapproved of my edits by saying there not well sourced when they were clearly taking from books written by historians. Even if I were to provide more than one source he would still disprove, it seems the truth has disturbed this fellow Wikipedia user, if am not aloud to write well sourced truths, than my time on editing Wikipedia an even reading Wikipedia articles will be over. The level of inaccuracy and bias articles seen on Wikipedia will in future lead this site to losing much of its popularity and legitimacy as it already is declining. Good Day. ( Hasmens (talk) 03:14, 21 September 2014 (UTC) )
- Hi Ed. The quote of Hasmens above has been made by GiorgosY and not by me. Aside from that, how long can this account go on accusing me of such vile things, even after the ANI thread? I think a block is needed at this time. Thank you and take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 03:23, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hello Hasmens. You are not doing yourself any favors with your post here. I'm assuming that English is not your first language. Might you be better off editing a Wikipedia in your own language? EdJohnston (talk) 04:59, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- Its not very professional of you to insult my language EdJohnston. English is indeed my first language. ( Hasmens (talk) 05:21, 21 September 2014 (UTC) )
- Hi Ed. I think Hasmens, a militant serial plagiarist, at this stage, has become an attacking troll who proliferates transparent lies and racist attacks against me because he enjoys doing it. Please observe that although I exposed his transparent lie he made no attempt to rectify his lying accusation that the quote above is mine. I think this must stop. As you know, as a respected and professional admin at AE, this area of editing is very toxic. If these trolls have their way it will become a walled garden run only by them. The troll made his racist attacks against me as a kind of aversion therapy. He hopes to deter me from editing the Northern Cyprus-related articles so he keeps repeating these vile lies. He already got a level-4 NPA warning by me on his talk and another NPA warning by Diannaa at ANI. I think that he should be blocked for his racist attacks if NPA and the policy on harassment mean something. I also think that he should be stopped to give him a message that his crude attempts at aversion therapy cannot be successful and that personal attacks as a form of aversion therapy do not belong in Wikipedia. Thank you for your consideration. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 18:13, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hasmens should be aware that making politically-sensitive changes to our articles on Northern Cyprus will get him in trouble quickly, since he has a poor grasp of consensus. He has uploaded some new pictures of Northern Cyprus which seems harmless. His comments above where he attributes changes by GiorgosY to Dr. K. do suggest he is not fully paying attention. It would show good faith if he would correct his own posts above and strike out the mistakes. His failure to understand copyright (as discussed at ANI) is a fast route to an indefinite block if he continues along that route. EdJohnston (talk) 18:17, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- Ed, I fully agree with your comments. But the issue here is not the repeated copyright violations by this longterm, serial plagiarist or his clumsy and clueless attempts of falsely attributing GiorgosY's comments to me. It is his repeated harassment of me in an attempt to enshrine his copyvios in the article of northern Cyprus and to intimidate me so that he can have a free hand in proliferating his violations of the copyright policy on Wikipedia. He should not be allowed a free hand to pursue his campaign of harassment against me because it not only violates our relevant policies, but it gives him the impression that he can continue doing it without repercussions. I am not here to second-guess your approach on this or to put pressure on you to change it. My respect for you would preclude such choice of action on my part. But I just wanted to put on the record the additional dimensions of this unrepentant plagiarist's ongoing attacks. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 19:31, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hasmens should be aware that making politically-sensitive changes to our articles on Northern Cyprus will get him in trouble quickly, since he has a poor grasp of consensus. He has uploaded some new pictures of Northern Cyprus which seems harmless. His comments above where he attributes changes by GiorgosY to Dr. K. do suggest he is not fully paying attention. It would show good faith if he would correct his own posts above and strike out the mistakes. His failure to understand copyright (as discussed at ANI) is a fast route to an indefinite block if he continues along that route. EdJohnston (talk) 18:17, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
The volunteer left the DRN discussion about WP:ARBPIA issue.
Hi
You notified me in the past about a DRN discussion.This discussion is now stale as volunteer decided not to continue [16].Maybe you as admin can help somehow.Thanks.--Shrike (talk) 04:13, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- This is an unexpected outcome. I wish we could avoid the whole issue by adding a suitably vague statement to the article about the reasons for the rocket fire, but the people who care about these things really care, and it's hard to change their minds. I'm unsure how helpful it is for admins like myself to participate at DRN because the mission there is one of pure mediation. Even if the DRN has failed, you could try negotiating with User:Nishidani directly and see if you can reach a common view. EdJohnston (talk) 18:38, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'm amenable to any negotiation that refrains from personal views. If any editor wishes to use any office of wikiworks to resolve this contretemps, they should simply declare that they will (a) avoid all personal constructions of the evidence (b) answer point by point objections raised, concisely (c) the result must satisfy WP:NPOV, without blaming either side, but simply stating what the relevant RS say. The plaintiff consistently has theories unsupported by any evidence, and second-guessed motives and sources. We must not do that. Re (b), when pinged to contribute to the DRN, I wrote a lengthy analysis of Goldberg's 2 articles. The answer was to talk past it, and raise more personal musings over jihadis and Hamas, and Hamas. This flagged the possibility that we'd be hauled into another enormous tongue-wagging exercise. I've a few serious articles totally unrelated to this I/P nonsense, and can't afford spending time if I can see that the probable outcome is just chat, while an already deeply compromised article I've dropped trying to help edit, continues on its merry way.Nishidani (talk) 20:22, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Hey, you were involved with the incidents between me and Hotwiki that led to his banning and my agreeing to avoid X-Men related pages for a week. I just wanted to let you know that now that Hotwiki is back, he has taken it upon himself to revert several pages to how they were before he was banned, and in many cases has given no or inadequate reasoning for it. I can't get involved, as I have agreed to leave the pages and user alone until Saturday I think, but I thought I should let you know about this. - adamstom97 (talk) 01:57, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Please provide diffs. EdJohnston (talk) 04:03, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Wow, my edits have no reasoning? Adamstom.97, okay
- Take a look at those links, I've given an edit summary to most of my edits there. Plus when I was banned for 1 day, those articles especially the X-Men (film series) were added by information that didn't have a source, list of cast members which not even 100% confirmed, and I cleaned them up myself and then you are gonna report like as if I reverted your edits again... And FYI, Adamstom.97, you also admitted to the talk page of X-Men (film series) that you removed things from my edit that shouldn't be deleted (like the updated box-office gross and 20th Century Fox Entertainment releasing the home media releases) and I just recovered them because you wouldn't do it yourself.--SuperHotWiki (talk) 06:45, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- This is hardly the place to be having a discussion about this. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:40, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- Edit wars are usually about something in particular and this time it's hard for me to follow what's in dispute. So I recommend that User:Adamstom.97 consider following WP:Dispute resolution after 15:10 on 26 September when he is once again free to pursue this matter. If in the future you wind up filing a second AN3 report you can link to the first one. Of course, it would be better to find a negotiated agreement on the talk page of one of the articles or at WT:FILM. EdJohnston (talk) 12:37, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
- This is hardly the place to be having a discussion about this. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:40, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
1RR warning
Thanks for closing the report Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Red_Slash_reported_by_User:Widefox_.28Result:_.29 . My original request was for making Red Slash aware of the possibility of 1RR applying to this LAME by asking for the editor to be notified with a Template:Syrian_Civil_War_enforcement. As only admins can do that, and 1RR isn't binding until the user is notified with it, we've now got the situation that I gave several warnings and escalated it there (more than I'd want to), but as it hasn't been given, 1RR still isn't in effect. The irony is that I'm not even against that editors proposed PRIMARYTOPIC, it just needs to follow process and not cause breakage and disruption for one of our most highly accessed content. Widefox; talk 07:10, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- You don't have to be concerned that the 1RR is not binding. The community 1RR applies to all editors and doesn't require a prior notice using Template:Syrian Civil War enforcement. (Though someone will probably not be blocked for 1RR if they can argue convincingly they were not aware). Red Slash is now aware and I assume that he will watch himself in the future. User:Red Slash's interest in the ISIS page is apparently due to his being active at WP:Requested moves and in disambiguation issues and not specifically due to a prior interest in that part of the world. If subsequent events show that my assumption about Red Slash being careful was not correct then I'll issue the templated warning. EdJohnston (talk) 15:49, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for clarifying. Appreciate. Keep up the good work. Widefox; talk 17:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
UST Global Now Again Removing The Documented Founder from The Wikipedia Site
Hello Ed. I hope you are doing well. After just a few weeks of the 'Edit Protection' being lifted - we have now reverted back to an individual making multiple edits to incorrectly state that G. A. Menon was founder and to remove the entry of Stephen J. Ross.
Thanks for considering what you had done the last 3 times of placing a restriction on edits for a period of XX days.
I am grateful to you Ed for this. Thanks & Regards, SteveJRoss Stevejross (talk) 23:28, 23 September 2014 (UTC) Stevejross (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 23:21, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
- I have left a note at User talk:Esvobo. In the mean time, have you come across any other reliable sources which discuss the founding of the company, which might be helpful? Any press coverage which is not already mentioned in the article? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 02:52, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Dear Ed,
Thank you for your note to Esvobo. He will not be able to provide a citation for Menon as founder because it was me who Brought Mr. Menon into the business (who I consider a dear friend) 1 year after I started the business. Thank you for watching to see if you receive a response (or no response) from this individual. We need this site to go back to a) being factual and b) so UST Global responsible individuals can go back to making accurate edits about their business.
Here is a citation about the founding of the business:
I will send other citations to you as I find them.
Thank you Ed.
Sincerely,
Steve Ross Stevejross (talk) 21:57, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Request for reconsideration
Hello EdJohnston,
I'd like to request you to check out my response here and reconsider your decision. You can also look at [this article where people keep adding fixtures where it was meant to be just Draw. And I've to undo these types of edits so that I can help keep the articles according to their purpose. So if I'll have rollback right I can do it with ease. Ashesh 01:48, 25 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asheshneupane95 (talk • contribs)
- Replied at WP:PERM/R. EdJohnston (talk) 14:45, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Personal opinion
I'm new here and I do appreciate input -- esp. when the person giving it actually reads the material (e.g. "Kingsindian appears to be saying that the reasoning for your revert is poor") and asking questions to understand what I am saying. The issue (I believe) is over but perhaps a sanity check is in order. In your opinion, was it poor judgement to note that a statement from a bomb disposal official from the police force is not the same as "Ministry of Interior said"? MarciulionisHOF (talk) 08:54, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
- Address your concern to the other editors on the article talk page. Some of your statements suggest a WP:Battleground attitude: "Do the project a favor and don't post these as a means of silencing people you argue with. Fascist behavior is uncool." This was your response to being given a routine ARBPIA notice. If you intend to work on WP:ARBPIA articles you should not expect sweetness and light. Too much complaining to admins will hurt your credibility. EdJohnston (talk) 14:55, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
- I will try to keep your advice to heart. Don't worry about my sanity-check question. MarciulionisHOF (talk) 22:23, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
- I want to thank you. I would have placed another request for guidance by now but you've made it clear that I should just roll with the punches. MarciulionisHOF (talk) 14:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- I will try to keep your advice to heart. Don't worry about my sanity-check question. MarciulionisHOF (talk) 22:23, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
arbcom question
I really don't want to get involved in another arbcom case, but I wanted to point out something relevant to one of the cases. Specifically it's about Neotarf on the AE page and comments they made on another arbcom post. Am I able to just mention it to an arbiter like you on your talk page? Or do I need to file it on the AE page? EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 16:19, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- Filing it at AE won't do any good since he hasn't been notified of the discretionary sanctions. Maybe you're referring to the issue already mentioned by User:Callanecc in the AE complaint. Unless something that happens on an Arbcom case page is really awful I think the Arbcom clerks can handle it. By the way I'm not an arbitrator. EdJohnston (talk) 18:09, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- Ah, I thought you were an arbiter for some reason, but ok. The statement I'm referring to is this (factually incorrect) statement: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Statement_by_Neotarf. I did warn Neotarf about that statement and mentioned the discretionary sanctions here, but no templated warning. Neotarf was clearly aware of the Manning Dispute and its resolution, so the only issue is that they weren't formally templates (which to me doesn't seem like a big deal, but it might be to the arbcom). If this info should be added to the AE, let me know. Cheers. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:42, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- If you are confident that Neotarf is aware of the Manning sanctions per his page here why don't you add that information to the AE. This might change the thinking of the admins. The statement you quote above by Neotarf doesn't seem very incriminating, though. He is making that statement to Arbcom. If Arbcom believes Neotarf is out of line by making that statement they can take the appropriate action. EdJohnston (talk) 18:53, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- Ah, I thought you were an arbiter for some reason, but ok. The statement I'm referring to is this (factually incorrect) statement: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#Statement_by_Neotarf. I did warn Neotarf about that statement and mentioned the discretionary sanctions here, but no templated warning. Neotarf was clearly aware of the Manning Dispute and its resolution, so the only issue is that they weren't formally templates (which to me doesn't seem like a big deal, but it might be to the arbcom). If this info should be added to the AE, let me know. Cheers. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:42, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Edit warring evidence gathering
Hi, could you show me how to get evidence for edit warring reports so I can use them for the future? If you can please leave the message on my talk page. Thanks! - Theironminer (talk) 19:20, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- Replied on your talk page. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 19:38, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
AE Comments
If you took just a few minutes you could easily find evidence that Neotarf is intimately familiar with these cases [[17]] and even more telling [[18]]. I do not expect you to go back n my talkpage archives but when it's at the top of the page I'm reporting it's a little frustrating that requests are declined. Maybe I wasn't clear enough but either way they are aware and have been for some time. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 08:30, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Apparent COI Editing
Hi EdJohnston. I misunderstood at first the WP:COI and the WP:Lead sections. I now understand them and there should be no additional need for action. I am clear as to how Wikipedia works now and am willing to work with other editors who are also willing to work with me to make factual corrections to articles. Thank you for reaching out to me.
One note regarding the statement but you removed most of the other information from the lead about her albums and other matters.: my edits will show that I removed sections which did not have proper citations and reworded existing content to match WP:Style. Ssilvers is upset because I did not understand about WP:COI and is understandably over-reacting slightly with some mild hyperbole. I'm not upset by it, Ssilvers was simply trying to make a point. I have no intention of rewording the lede at this point unless there is a relevant event, there are grammatical or spelling errors.
Loudersoft (talk) 15:35, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Appreciation
As always, I appreciate your calm and wise approach at 3RR. I just disagree that BLPNAME allows for what you suggest, and what others are suggesting. Nonetheless, you are one of the admins I respect and have high regard for. Even when we disagree. Cheers, -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 03:41, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Systemic Bias Tag
Just to clarify regarding your previous decision, am I permitted to replace the Systemic Bias tag at American-led intervention in Iraq to continue solicitation of discussion or was it your feeling 6 hours was enough of a discussion on that? As I am the subject of active block-shopping by a tightly coordinated group of editors interfacing on IRC and elsewhere ([19]), I want to proceed with an over-abundance of caution in all my edits. Sorry for the hassle of this direct request and thanks, in advance. DocumentError (talk) 20:50, 30 September 2014 (UTC)