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RE:User:Libertyville/GOP
I only did it once, sorry. The image put in place of it was just awful. I guess I'll just delete my copy of it now. But I have a question: If the image does not follow fair use policy then why is it still being used on the Republican Party page?--Lucky Mitch (talk) 23:13, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Recent image removals.
For what it's worth, I don't agree with your recent removal of images from various list articles. Rather than revert immediately, this issue is important enough that it should probably be discussed on the policy pages. I've opened a thread at Wikipedia_talk:Non-free content#Character images and lists..
You removed some images in my user page and in a box I created wrt the "fair use image policy". Those institutions (Royal Aeronautical Society and Imperial College) accept their logos to be used for such things (they are not private enterprises). I'll put them back later. Escorial82 (talk) 11:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- OK, I understand, I won't put them again. Thanks for the explanation Escorial82 13:26, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- The images are removed and I understand. Could you please remove from my userpage the "speedy deletion" infobox? Thanks Escorial82 13:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
Image removals from character lists
Hi, I was the one who reverted your edits to the List of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic characters which you subsequently reinstated. To me it seems that the page you link to is just a discussion between five or six individual editors who agree on the particular subject and just start boldly removing content from various articles. But is it official policy and is it inherently bad to have fair use media on pages where images with free licenses are impossible to obtain? You don't offer any alternative or explanation on the talk page on the subject, I know from you userpage that you're against Fair Use, but you might make your reasons for opposing Fair Use more clear. As such, I think the mass removal of character images is a bit too bold. But maybe I'm totally in the wrong here, I'm not too familiar with the legal issues regarding copyblight. mensch • t 00:33, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
- The discussion there has the links needed to educate an editor on the relevant policies and discussions. It's not prohibiting fair use. It's putting it in its proper place, as per the edict of the Foundation (see Foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy). --Hammersoft 02:31, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Cease and desist
You have been removing images from lists of characters. Please stop.
You claim they are not acceptable under WP:NFCC. Upon reading WP:NFCC#9, it states that non-free content is permitted only in articles (not disambiguation pages), and only in article namespace, subject to exemptions. Lists are articles and the images are not being used for "decorative" purposes, they are to enhance the article and make it more encyclopedic. The images are given fair use which under WP:NFCC, is permitted on Wikipedia when a free equivlent is unavaliable. Most video game related images are copyrighted, therefore it is almost impossible to find a free equivilent for them.
You also cite Wikipedia talk:Non-free content#Character images and lists as an example of your claim. All I see is a debate with around three or four of the participating editors agreeing on the same subject as you. There is nothing set in stone, no official policy against the use of fair use images provided they are suitable for purpose, used correctly and have a proper fair use rationale. These images, most notably on this page and this page are under suitable fair use and are permitted to be used on those pages and on Wikipedia.
.:Alex:. 22:54, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
- I have no intention of "ceasing and desisting". The Foundation has taken a very strong stance against over use of fair use images. Please see Foundation:Resolution:Licensing policy. The Foundation is above you. It's above me. It's about any admin here on Wikipedia. It's above ArbCom. It's above everybody. If you do not like the removal of such images, I strongly, strongly urge you to take this matter up with them. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 03:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- Well then delete a few, don't go and delete all of the images Ctjf83 talk 18:54, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
List of recurring characters from The Simpsons now only has nine images, and I could easily trim some more if you like. However, there are several featured pages with that many fair use images. -- Scorpion0422 18:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Insufficient. If a character deserves an image, they deserve an article where the image belongs. Else, the argument they deserve a copyrighted image against our m:mission to provide a free content encyclopedia is exceptionally weak. Please cite featured pages where this sort of list has a similar circumstance as that which you left the article in. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:58, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Like I'm going to tell you, you'll just go and remove all the images. By the way, I'm fairly certain that this account is a sock of an experienced user who is hiding their identity, and apparantly that's okay, but isn't edit warring using a sock frowned upon? -- Scorpion0422 19:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- A little assumption of good faith here? You'll note that I left the Simpson's article intact after your edit. Cite please? And, I'm not edit warring. There is nothing wrong with using a sock, and even less so for using a sock to uphold policy. If I was interested in edit warring, I sure as heck would self-report myself to WP:AN/I (Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Edit_warring_over_removal_of_fair_use_images). --Hammersoft (talk) 19:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Like I'm going to tell you, you'll just go and remove all the images. By the way, I'm fairly certain that this account is a sock of an experienced user who is hiding their identity, and apparantly that's okay, but isn't edit warring using a sock frowned upon? -- Scorpion0422 19:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- well y didnt u do that to being with, instead of deleting all of them, and aggravating people...at the very least u could have posted it on the project page, and we could have decided which to keep and delete Ctjf83 talk 19:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
If I can find a screenshot of a crowd scene or something that has dozens of these characters in it, could I simply place that in the lead? Betacommand told me a few months ago that that would be okay. -- Scorpion0422 19:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, you just did that with [1]. That's great! --Hammersoft (talk) 19:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Alternate account?
You seem to admit above that this account is a sock and that you have a different, primary, account. If so, given that this account is engaged in widespread controversial (even if legitimate) edits, and participating in policy discussions, it would not seem to comport with current norms regarding sockpuppeting. I'm not sure who you can turn to, but your best bet is probably to close this one down, and if you're as confident as you say about the legitimacy of your edits (I see nothing wrong with them), just do them from the primary account. Wikidemo (talk) 10:35, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- There is nothing in policy forbidding the operating of this account. As you note, there is nothing wrong with my edits. If you have no further comments, thank you and good day. --Hammersoft (talk) 11:31, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not going to make anything of it under the circumstances or speculate as to what's really going on, but you might want to keep an eye on WP:SOCK, which has been unstable of late. So, good day to you too. Wikidemo (talk) 11:46, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
User logo
As I described on the talk page, "once" had copyrighted material within it, specifically the FSU seal. I removed it as per a conversation with RG2 some time ago. What I created was my own work. Get back to me. Noles1984 (talk) 20:50, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- I do not understand why but I will remove my helmet and upload a new version. Noles1984 (talk) 20:56, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Now that makes perfect and legal sense. A facsimile of a copyrighted image is still a copyrighted image. Alright. Interesting. Have a good holiday. Noles1984 (talk) 21:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Alright on the spear as well. Next thing you know my house will have a copyright on it from FSU. I will do a complete redesign. By the way, interesting user page for you. Very mysterious. Noles1984 (talk) 21:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- I gather by the ad at the lower right of your page you are opposed to the entire concept of fair use. Noles1984 (talk) 21:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Not at all. I'm an avid support of the concept of free content. --Hammersoft (talk) 21:35, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- I gather by the ad at the lower right of your page you are opposed to the entire concept of fair use. Noles1984 (talk) 21:32, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Alright on the spear as well. Next thing you know my house will have a copyright on it from FSU. I will do a complete redesign. By the way, interesting user page for you. Very mysterious. Noles1984 (talk) 21:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
- Now that makes perfect and legal sense. A facsimile of a copyrighted image is still a copyrighted image. Alright. Interesting. Have a good holiday. Noles1984 (talk) 21:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)