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First off, thank you for at least taking action. Now, the last such edit by a user who is actually autoconfirmed (being "close to becoming autoconfirmed" is still non-confirmed) in control of their account was on 31 May, and before that, many months earlier. While such problematic edits have not resumed immediately after expiry of protection, they originate from many sources, including Vietnam and the Philippines. If SPI can conclude that the Vietnamese (Filipino) editors are all linked, there may be a case for ArbCom. Otherwise, I think ArbCom is a mess to sift through and should be avoided. What the regulars have to fend off with is not at all like the Senkakus or Ireland—virtually no one uses "East Sea" or "West Philippine Sea". ''GotR'' <sup>[[User talk:Guerrilla of the Renmin|Talk]]</sup> 23:25, 10 July 2012 (UTC) |
First off, thank you for at least taking action. Now, the last such edit by a user who is actually autoconfirmed (being "close to becoming autoconfirmed" is still non-confirmed) in control of their account was on 31 May, and before that, many months earlier. While such problematic edits have not resumed immediately after expiry of protection, they originate from many sources, including Vietnam and the Philippines. If SPI can conclude that the Vietnamese (Filipino) editors are all linked, there may be a case for ArbCom. Otherwise, I think ArbCom is a mess to sift through and should be avoided. What the regulars have to fend off with is not at all like the Senkakus or Ireland—virtually no one uses "East Sea" or "West Philippine Sea". ''GotR'' <sup>[[User talk:Guerrilla of the Renmin|Talk]]</sup> 23:25, 10 July 2012 (UTC) |
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:At the risk of violating [[WP:BEANS]], he is not autoconfirmed because he has only seven edits (which can be fixed in less than a minute); he is well beyond the date restriction which is the usual throttle for vandals. As for my main point, this article is probably a candidate for [[WP:GS|Article Probation]], which (although it can be enacted through community consensus) is usually an ArbCom action. '''It doesn't matter whether its one editor editing through a series of proxies (or meatpuppets acting under the direction of a single editor) or simply a matter of [[WP:PLAGUE|nationalism run amok]], this is a long-standing issue which needs to have some type of "official recognition" to resolve.''' I was involved in [[WP:ARBMAC2|the second Macedonia arbitration]], which involved similar issues (including a non-stop parade of IP editors enacting nationalistic-style edits), so this is something with which I have some familiarity. (Another, possibly more relevant, arbitration was over [[WP:ARBLIANCOURT|Liancourt Rocks]], which had the same tussling over the name of a specific geographic location and the names of the bodies of water surrounding them). While "East Sea" is seldom used to describe the [[Sea of Japan]] outside of Korea, it became a [[Sea of Japan naming dispute|flashpoint]] in the Dokdo/Takeshima tussle that resulted in the arbitration case. Blocking IP editors on sight for violating article probation will likely fix some of the problems on the article, as registered editors are suddenly caught up in autoblocks, which is easier than trying to get a checkuser request. After a short spell of autoblock hell, most of the single-purpose nationalists will give up, which will make it easier to drop the banhammer on the remaining hardcore nationalists. '''[[User:Horologium|<font color="DarkSlateGray">Horologium</font>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Horologium|(talk)]]</small> 00:50, 11 July 2012 (UTC) |
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First off, thank you for at least taking action. Now, the last such edit by a user who is actually autoconfirmed (being "close to becoming autoconfirmed" is still non-confirmed) in control of their account was on 31 May, and before that, many months earlier. While such problematic edits have not resumed immediately after expiry of protection, they originate from many sources, including Vietnam and the Philippines. If SPI can conclude that the Vietnamese (Filipino) editors are all linked, there may be a case for ArbCom. Otherwise, I think ArbCom is a mess to sift through and should be avoided. What the regulars have to fend off with is not at all like the Senkakus or Ireland—virtually no one uses "East Sea" or "West Philippine Sea". GotR Talk 23:25, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
- At the risk of violating WP:BEANS, he is not autoconfirmed because he has only seven edits (which can be fixed in less than a minute); he is well beyond the date restriction which is the usual throttle for vandals. As for my main point, this article is probably a candidate for Article Probation, which (although it can be enacted through community consensus) is usually an ArbCom action. It doesn't matter whether its one editor editing through a series of proxies (or meatpuppets acting under the direction of a single editor) or simply a matter of nationalism run amok, this is a long-standing issue which needs to have some type of "official recognition" to resolve. I was involved in the second Macedonia arbitration, which involved similar issues (including a non-stop parade of IP editors enacting nationalistic-style edits), so this is something with which I have some familiarity. (Another, possibly more relevant, arbitration was over Liancourt Rocks, which had the same tussling over the name of a specific geographic location and the names of the bodies of water surrounding them). While "East Sea" is seldom used to describe the Sea of Japan outside of Korea, it became a flashpoint in the Dokdo/Takeshima tussle that resulted in the arbitration case. Blocking IP editors on sight for violating article probation will likely fix some of the problems on the article, as registered editors are suddenly caught up in autoblocks, which is easier than trying to get a checkuser request. After a short spell of autoblock hell, most of the single-purpose nationalists will give up, which will make it easier to drop the banhammer on the remaining hardcore nationalists. Horologium (talk) 00:50, 11 July 2012 (UTC)