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Stop cewbot!
The bot is making hundreds of bad edits. This is wrong! The article is FA class on MilHist, not A class. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 10:35, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- @MSGJ I just read the discussion on Template talk:WikiProject banner shell#Issue with assessments not applying to WikiProject Lists template, and thought that the templates under Category: WikiProjects using a non-standard quality scale would inherit the class of {{WikiProject_banner_shell}}, so I changed the code. It looks like I made a mistake, right? Or maybe {{WikiProject Military history}} should also inherit the class of {{WikiProject_banner_shell}}, it just hasn't been set up yet? Kanashimi (talk) 10:45, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- I will look at the code to see why it is not inheriting the FA-class. In the meantime it might be safer not to remove any Milhist ratings. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- @MSGJ I think this is something that can be solved by adjusting the Module:Banner shell code? Kanashimi (talk) 23:24, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes we can change the code, but I would worry about unintended consequences. As the class can be set by a custom mask without the class parameter being used (which is what I neglected to consider earlier), inheriting the class may result in the class being changed incorrectly. So I think the current code is best. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:28, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
- @MSGJ I think this is something that can be solved by adjusting the Module:Banner shell code? Kanashimi (talk) 23:24, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- The way the code is currently written, if the article is unassessed by the project then it will get the class from WPBS and push that through the custom mask. In this case the article is not unassessed (as the
|A-Class=pass
is sufficient to give it A-class rating). So it seems that I what I wrote is incorrect. We could look at rewriting the code so that if class is empty it will always use the PIQA rating, but this might produce other unintended consequences. It might be safer not to touch any of the opt-out projects. Sorry for causing confusion — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)- Wikipedia:WikiProject Military History is not an opt-out project. It should use the PIQA rating if
|class=
is empty. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)- MilHist has opted out of PIQA because it uses its own quality scale, including the B-class checklist. This was further clarified at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Archive 171#Global assessments. However it will inherit the assessment in certain limited circumstances. Can I suggest you follow up here if you have any queries, and let Kanashimi continue with this important task without further changes to MilHist's assessments? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:08, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:WikiProject Military History is not an opt-out project. It should use the PIQA rating if
- Shall we revert today's edits by the bot? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:47, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, revert. The longer this goes on, the bigger the clean-up later. — Maile (talk) 21:50, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Okay if Kanashimi does not get to this today, then I will fix them tomorrow — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- I will leave the exiting categories untouched for now. Also, since I can't tell which templates I've moved, I'll have to recover them all. I checked the editors and it seems that only a few of them are {{WikiProject Military history}} related, so it might be better to recover them manually. Since I just changed the code yesterday, the issue should only be with the 200 edits or so.... In the future I'll add changed templates to the edit summary, which will help to solve the problem with touching special templates. I apologize for the inconvenience. Kanashimi (talk) 22:50, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Okay if Kanashimi does not get to this today, then I will fix them tomorrow — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:26, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, revert. The longer this goes on, the bigger the clean-up later. — Maile (talk) 21:50, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- I will look at the code to see why it is not inheriting the FA-class. In the meantime it might be safer not to remove any Milhist ratings. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Hawkeye7 I think I've rolled back this batch of edits. Please let me know if there are any problems. Kanashimi (talk) 09:30, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
Incorrectly tagged articles
Would it be possible to remove {{Vital article}} from pages in Category:Wikipedia vital articles needing attention? I believe they are all misplaced. Thanks — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:17, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- Which template or module generates this category? Kanashimi (talk) 22:03, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
- {{Vital article}}. I have added some detection of whether it is actually a vital article or not — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:19, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
WPBS conversion seems to be going well. Time to ramp-up deployment a bit? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Are cewbot's whitespace-only edits really necessary?
Most bots leave human-preferred whitespace between template parameters alone. The edit special:diff/1193725654 seems entirely gratuitous. –jacobolus (t) 09:30, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- You're right. I'll have the robot avoid this type of blank-only editing. Kanashimi (talk) 10:12, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Biography ratings
Hi, looking at e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AArsaces_I_of_Parthia&diff=1193677947&oldid=1038586692 - why did it leave the Biography project as a Stub? -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:37, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Some similar issues in Category:Articles with conflicting quality ratings (though I've already fixed a couple semi-manually). -Kj cheetham (talk) 10:42, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the report. This approach is actually in line with the design concept of the robot, as the robot cannot determine whether the conflicting quality ratings are appropriate or not. In addition, some of the parameters of WPBIO will be moved to WPBS, which is also the original design intention of the robot.
- @MSGJ I think we need to write up descriptions for these categories, e.g. which module generates the categories and how they are resolved. Also we may need to write descriptions of this change in WPBS, so that when someone has a question about it, they know what's going on. Kanashimi (talk) 11:34, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Kanashimi Understood. I'll just fix those cases manually as I come across them in that case. For GA and FA status specifically though, perhaps that should override any non-opt-out quality rating, if that's already in the banner shell? Also, should RATER be modified to stop adding listas and living parameters by default to WPBIO going forward? -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:41, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Ratings that are the same as {{WPBS}} will be moved to {{WPBS}}. If it is not the same as {{WPBS}}, it will be kept. So for those different ratings, it needs to be manually checked for appropriateness, as you are doing.
- As for the rater, it might need to change. I'll make a suggestion to User:Evad37. Kanashimi (talk) 12:15, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Kanashimi Understood. I'll just fix those cases manually as I come across them in that case. For GA and FA status specifically though, perhaps that should override any non-opt-out quality rating, if that's already in the banner shell? Also, should RATER be modified to stop adding listas and living parameters by default to WPBIO going forward? -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:41, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Cewbot's edit summaries
Firstly, thank you for all the work you've done with Cewbot! Extremely minor question/nitpick: the edit summaries Cewbot leaves when maintaining {{WPBS}} currently include Remove the same ratings as {{WPBS}} and keep only the dissimilar ones from [WikiProject X]
[a]. I was wondering if this should read ...and keep only the ones dissimilar from [WikiProject X]
- the current wording first made me think that it was referring to WikiProject X having the dissimilar rating itself, rather than it being the other (non-mentioned) WikiProject templates that had the different ratings. I might be misunderstanding something here though, please let me know if so. Equally, let me know if I've explained anything poorly.
Notes
- ^ where WikiProject X is a WikiProject that has had its rating removed/that has the same rating as the one in {{WPBS}}
All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 11:44, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @A smart kitten My English is not good, thanks for correcting it. What I want to say is that the robot will keep all the ratings that are different from {{WPBS}}. Would it be better if I change it to this? "Remove the same ratings as {{WPBS}} and keep different ratings of [WikiProject X]" Kanashimi (talk) 12:08, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- No problem! I think that would be better, yes - if I'm understanding correctly, if the robot keeps a rating in (for example) WikiProject Astronomy because it's different from the rating that's been moved to {{WPBS}}, the edit summary would say
Remove the same ratings as {{WPBS}} and keep different ratings in[/of] {{WikiProject Astronomy}}
. - If you don't mind, while I'm here, can I also check if the
class=List
parameter for {{WikiProject Lists}} should have been removed in Special:Diff/1193730164, given that it's the same as the rating that was merged into {{WPBS}}? - All the best, —a smart kitten[meow] 12:25, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- In this case it probably could be removed. But in general, we are not touching quality assessments of projects that have opted out of PIQA. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:40, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @MSGJ:
Thank you - the idea that WPLists may have opted out of PIQA didn't occur to me! It makes complete sense now why it wasn't merged. Best, —a smart kitten[meow] 13:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @MSGJ:
- Thank you. I'll change the wording. Kanashimi (talk) 12:54, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- In this case it probably could be removed. But in general, we are not touching quality assessments of projects that have opted out of PIQA. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:40, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- No problem! I think that would be better, yes - if I'm understanding correctly, if the robot keeps a rating in (for example) WikiProject Astronomy because it's different from the rating that's been moved to {{WPBS}}, the edit summary would say
Not vital?
Why did the bot add |vital=yes
- it doesn't seem to be a vital article? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:59, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- I'm checking on this. The parameters should be eliminated after regular operation. Kanashimi (talk) 13:07, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- @MSGJ We have to have a way of tracking vital articles that have been de-listed. Can we do with Module:Banner shell? Kanashimi (talk) 01:02, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, sure, I can do this. I can use Category:Wikipedia vital articles needing attention — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:22, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Added template to the "normalise multiple issues" list
Hi! Just letting you know that I added a clean-up template - {{Cleanup red links}} - to User:Cewbot/log/20150916/configuration, since on this diff it removed {{multiple issues}} from the top of the article when both {{cleanup red links}} and {{more footnotes}} were in it. I'm not sure if I did it right since I don't know how the bot works, but hopefully I did it properly. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 01:15, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- You can keep watching to see if the robot works as you expect. Kanashimi (talk) 05:59, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Majority rating
RE [1], in my original request I suggested: If assessments of projects differ, then add the majority rating to the banner shell and leave any different assessments on those banners. These will be manually reviewed by human editors. Would this be possible? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:13, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Move listas
In this edit Cewbot did not move the listas parameter to the banner shell — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:21, 6 January 2024 (UTC)