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::What you wrote is unsourced. We have a journal available that is reliable. You did not provide [[WP:V]] or a better source than the journal. I could not find a journal that mentioned NSF. If you continue to add OR you could be warned again. The text you disagree with is supported by source. You are making excuses to delete a relaible source. You did not show on the talk page how to more accurately summarise the source. Please stop deleting sourced text for no good reason. [[User:QuackGuru|QuackGuru]] ([[User talk:QuackGuru|talk]]) 19:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC) |
::What you wrote is unsourced. We have a journal available that is reliable. You did not provide [[WP:V]] or a better source than the journal. I could not find a journal that mentioned NSF. If you continue to add OR you could be warned again. The text you disagree with is supported by source. You are making excuses to delete a relaible source. You did not show on the talk page how to more accurately summarise the source. Please stop deleting sourced text for no good reason. [[User:QuackGuru|QuackGuru]] ([[User talk:QuackGuru|talk]]) 19:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:::QG, templating regular users is uncivil. Ludwigs is about as regular as it gets, so you have no grounds to put up boilerplate instead of just explaining your argument. If you hypothetically bring the incident to another venue, all you need is diffs, not templates; this isn't [[WP:AIV]], so please don't act like it. Though you're obviously in disagreement with recent changes at Pseudoscience, Chiropractic, and Vertebral Artery Dissection, I think this approach will add to the appearance of a tendentious editing style (though in pursuit of well-intentioned ends). I'm not sure how to say this without it sounding threatening, but I think if you keep doing things like this, it is more likely to lead to sanctions of some kind than the resolutions you want. That's not 'a warning' from me, just my read on the situation. |
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:::As for sources, although [[WP:V]] buts the burden on those who want to include information if challenged, just because you have a source doesn't mean your source fits the context or is appropriate for the statements being made. A poorly sourced version is not inherently better than an unsourced version. Although we live and die by verifiability, we are not held in the tyranny of the sources we have; rather, we have access to the full range of text that is ''supportable'' by reliable sources. Are you asking for a source to verify the NSF claim? It might not be in PubMed, since the assertions being made here are not clearly subject to [[WP:MEDRS]]. [[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]] ([[User talk:Ocaasi|talk]]) 20:05, 10 January 2011 (UTC) |
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Burden
You seem to have cleaned up here, so maybe these updates are better put elsewhere. But anyway, more in the annals of WP:BURDEN. Ocaasi (talk) 00:04, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- ah, no. I just have the bot archive everything after a while, and I haven't been doing much on project in the last bit (real life intervenes...). I do need to write that essay, though; maybe I'll do that this evening. Unfortnately, Burden of proof and Burden of evidence already exists as redirects - I'll need to look into co-opting one of them for my purposes. --Ludwigs2 01:18, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, they really covered that (burden, burden of proof, burden of evidence, proveit, bop, onus... they got onus!). How about WP:WHOSEBURDEN, WP:WHOSERESPONSIBILITY, and WP:WHOSE? Ocaasi (talk) 01:52, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Original research is a serious issue
The response grow up is not an appropriate response to WP:OR problems you started. You agreed to me more civil in the future. Do you have a reliable source for your rewrite. You claimed on the talk page that editors should use a reliable source but you replaced a journal without a source. Can you give a reason for deleting a reliable source and replacing it without any sources. QuackGuru (talk) 17:13, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
- The response you got was because you templated me, which was childish. Don't do that. To your substantive point, I removed your citation because (as I said in the edit summary, and in several places on the talk page), you are misusing the source to support a claim the source does not explicitly make (not to mention using a minor source to support a valid claim that is better represented by a strong source like the NSF). What I wrote is perfectly in line with the NSF's approach to pseudoscience; do you take issue with that? --Ludwigs2 18:56, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
- What you wrote is unsourced. We have a journal available that is reliable. You did not provide WP:V or a better source than the journal. I could not find a journal that mentioned NSF. If you continue to add OR you could be warned again. The text you disagree with is supported by source. You are making excuses to delete a relaible source. You did not show on the talk page how to more accurately summarise the source. Please stop deleting sourced text for no good reason. QuackGuru (talk) 19:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
- QG, templating regular users is uncivil. Ludwigs is about as regular as it gets, so you have no grounds to put up boilerplate instead of just explaining your argument. If you hypothetically bring the incident to another venue, all you need is diffs, not templates; this isn't WP:AIV, so please don't act like it. Though you're obviously in disagreement with recent changes at Pseudoscience, Chiropractic, and Vertebral Artery Dissection, I think this approach will add to the appearance of a tendentious editing style (though in pursuit of well-intentioned ends). I'm not sure how to say this without it sounding threatening, but I think if you keep doing things like this, it is more likely to lead to sanctions of some kind than the resolutions you want. That's not 'a warning' from me, just my read on the situation.
- What you wrote is unsourced. We have a journal available that is reliable. You did not provide WP:V or a better source than the journal. I could not find a journal that mentioned NSF. If you continue to add OR you could be warned again. The text you disagree with is supported by source. You are making excuses to delete a relaible source. You did not show on the talk page how to more accurately summarise the source. Please stop deleting sourced text for no good reason. QuackGuru (talk) 19:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
- As for sources, although WP:V buts the burden on those who want to include information if challenged, just because you have a source doesn't mean your source fits the context or is appropriate for the statements being made. A poorly sourced version is not inherently better than an unsourced version. Although we live and die by verifiability, we are not held in the tyranny of the sources we have; rather, we have access to the full range of text that is supportable by reliable sources. Are you asking for a source to verify the NSF claim? It might not be in PubMed, since the assertions being made here are not clearly subject to WP:MEDRS. Ocaasi (talk) 20:05, 10 January 2011 (UTC)