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:*You are completely missing my entire point. If you don't see what was terribly wrong with your dismissive behavior toward me and the disruption you introduced into the GAN process for your own purposes, then there is nothing I can do. It is not helpful to try to justify wrong behavior. The fact that you are as experienced as you say makes it more inexplicable that you think your behavior was justified. Carrying baggage from other places and foisting it into a review I'm working on is not right. [[User:MathewTownsend|MathewTownsend]] ([[User talk:MathewTownsend#top|talk]]) 01:17, 14 February 2012 (UTC) |
:*You are completely missing my entire point. If you don't see what was terribly wrong with your dismissive behavior toward me and the disruption you introduced into the GAN process for your own purposes, then there is nothing I can do. It is not helpful to try to justify wrong behavior. The fact that you are as experienced as you say makes it more inexplicable that you think your behavior was justified. Carrying baggage from other places and foisting it into a review I'm working on is not right. [[User:MathewTownsend|MathewTownsend]] ([[User talk:MathewTownsend#top|talk]]) 01:17, 14 February 2012 (UTC) |
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::I guess I am having trouble understanding your point. I DO hear that you are angry at me and feel dismissed. And I am very sorry you feel that way because it wasn't my intent. I was actually trying to help by giving you a clean version of the article as it was actually nominated. But I kindly ask that you see MY point: I consider what I did to be very close to a vandal revert -- JLAN's edits are usually about 20% useful material and about 80% OR, often containing unreliable sourcing, usually some heavy POV, and consists of what appears on the surface to be good research, but on closer examination is often not. Anything he adds has to be carefully checked out because it cannot be trusted. You could not have known any of this, and perhaps I should have talked to you here first, but given that all I did on the article was revert once, which JLAN reverted back not long after (calling my edit "vandalism" which got him warned on his talk page by an admin). So I see no real "disruption" -- but it sucks that you and Dana were caught in the middle of it. And that is why I took JLAN to an ANI, where all this can be discussed properly. [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 15:56, 14 February 2012 (UTC) |
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Folk Singer
hello,
thanks for your interest on Folk Singer. You have a the Robert Palmer book, could you search why Willie Smith did not play on that album, but drummer Francis Clay? And why was bassist Jimmy Lee Morris replaced with Willie Dixon and Milton Rector? At the moment, the background section has too much unnecessary details, so it would be great if your book has this information. Thanks.--♫GoP♫TCN 16:31, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- I'm looking! My Palmer book doesn't mention Folk Singer, as it's a relatively late album. I must have 20 books that have sections on Muddy Waters, but most don't mention that recording. The Rolling Stone Album Guide just says: "Folk Singer is a return to the Delta blues, an all-acoustic session with Waters and Buddy Guy on guitars and Willie Dixon on bass." The Chess Box has these songs from Folk Singer on it: "My Home Is in the Delta" (1963), "Good Morning Little Schoolgirl" (1963), "You Can't Lose What You Never Had"(1964), "Short Dress Woman" (1964). The liner notes for the Chess box (by Robert Palmer) don't say anything in particular about his 1960s bands. It mentions the personnel on those four songs.
- "My Home Is in the Delta" (1963) - Recorded September 1963. Muddy Waters (vocal, guitar); Buddy Guy (guitar); Willy Dixon (bass); Clifton James (drums). Originally released on Chess IP 1483 Folk Singer.
- "Good Morning Little Schoolgirl" (1963) - Same recording date and personnel as "My Home Is in the Delta". Originally released on Chess IP 1483 Folk Singer.
- "You Can't Lose What You Never Had"(1964) (Same recording date and personnel as "The Same Thing" - which was: Recorded April 1964. Muddy Waters (vocal, guitar); Otis Spann (piano); Pee Wee Madison or Buddy Guy, Sammy Lawhorn (guitar); Willie Dixon (bass); Francis Clay (drums). Originally Chess single 1895).
- "Short Dress Woman" (1964) - Recorded October 1964. J.T. Brown (clarinet); James Cotton (harmonica); Otis Spann (piano); Pee Wee Madison, Sammy Lawhorn (guitar); Calvin Jones or Jimmy Lee Morris (bass); Willie Smith or S.P. Leary (drums). Originally Chess single 1914. Previously unreleased on U.S. album
So those songs weren't all recorded at the same time with the same personnel. As you probably know, Muddy's bands were ever shifting. And there are many recordings on which the personnel is disputed or unclear. I've never read anywhere that he "had" to accept another guitarist. He always had at least one more guitarist, like Jimmy Rogers, Buddy Guy and Johnny Winter in the 1970s.
Hope this helps. MathewTownsend (talk) 18:04, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks. Do you have any of these books: King of the Delta Blues: The Life and Music of Charlie Patton, Fahey's Charley Patton, Chasin' That Devil Music: Searching for the blues, Deep Blues: A Musical and Cultural History of the Mississippi Delta or The Big Book of Blues: A Biographical Encyclopedia? Regards.--♫GoP♫TCN 15:13, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- Of those books, I only have Deep Blues: A Musical and Cultural History of the Mississippi Delta. MathewTownsend (talk) 16:02, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- I am asking because I want to bring Charlie Patton to at least GA-status, here is a draft (not copyedited, but that is not a problem). It is a translation from the German article (a featured article), but unfortunately it has too less in-line citations; the nominator of the German version, who has three books, never replied to me, as he is allegedly busy. I assume you are living in the USA, there are plenty of libraries. Maybe one of these libraries are somewhere in your area. Hopefully you can help me to add in-line citations. Regards.--♫GoP♫TCN 16:52, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- Of those books, I only have Deep Blues: A Musical and Cultural History of the Mississippi Delta. MathewTownsend (talk) 16:02, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Don't know if you have the desire or time
But there appears to be a bug in checklinks with regards to finding youtube links that are dead. The two that were tagged at death panel weren't dead. If you get a chance, maybe that could be reported. If not, I can do it later. You can reply here I'll put it your talk on my watchlist thanks. Jesanj (talk) 19:59, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- I'm sorry about the youtube links. They freeze my browser so I can't look at them. Best, MathewTownsend (talk) 21:18, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Can you help with editing/review?
Not sure if you can take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sportsfan5000/Adam_Windsor I am trying to get someone to help edit it that knows a little about professional wrestling, but more than anything is a good editor and article reviewer. I am myself not great at using wikipedia, so not sure if you can help, or at least put me in touch with someone that can help?--Sportsfan5000 (talk) 02:48, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
- Replied here [1] Good luck! MathewTownsend (talk) 23:05, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the help and also the review. I will continue to try and find people to help the article to get better. Would you be able to publish the article for me to the main article space (Adam Windsor) and also redirect (Adam Bryniarski) to it? I would much rather an administrator get it published and then it can keep on being worked on from there. I have looked at many articles on pro wrestlers now and this is far more in depth and has a lot more references and citations than a lot of them. Any reason why the article would have been deleted previously should be completly covered by now with all of the major edits and if I can find people to help me keep adding to it then I think it will keep going really well. Let me know if this is possible. Thanks for all your help! Sportsfan5000 (talk) 01:05, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for moving it. Is there anyway that you can also help me get rid of the speedy deletion? I have contested it, however I think I need more help from someone than knows about speedy deletions. Compared to when this article was first deleted there are numerous improvments and I am also requesting help from the sources that you suggested to work on the article. Sportsfan5000 (talk) 02:07, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
I read your comment, if you could help me move it back into my userspace I will continue working on it from there. I personally can't see why it doesn't fit the citation and reference guidline, however I will keep on searching for editors to help me get it to where it needs to be. Like you said, it may be better that I work on it from there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportsfan5000 (talk • contribs) 02:35, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
If I Were a Boy
HI. Thank you for this. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 06:57, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
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- Thanks! Very much appreciated. MathewTownsend (talk) 22:47, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
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Meh no need to be. I thought it was cool I was recommended, it means I'm doing something right. I do have a request though, I'm working on the TNA 2005 Super X Cup Tournament in a subpage. I wish to add an infobox but I can't seem to find a directory to any that would fit the subject matter. Do you have any answers?--WillC 19:32, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not the person to ask about infoboxes! The best I could do would be to find one to copy. Sorry! MathewTownsend (talk) 19:36, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
- Kinda what I'm looking for, I wouldn't be able to create one but I'm sure one that would fit the single elimination tournament idea exists somewhere I just don't know where.--WillC 04:36, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Your GAN review of Doc Adams
Hi Mathew. Thank you for offering a review of Doc Adams. I responded to your comments at Talk:Doc Adams/GA1 and did quite a bit of editing to the article. Please let me know if anything else needs to be done for GA standards to be met. Giants2008 (Talk) 18:04, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks again! Giants2008 (Talk) 18:52, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
- You're very welcome. It was a pleasure! MathewTownsend (talk) 19:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
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Hi. I see that you're making quite a few edits on WP:GAN to try to correct bot errors. The bot gets all its information from the GAN template on the nominated article's talk page. If something isn't coming out right, it should be corrected on the article talk page, not the GAN page. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:50, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
- I always check the talk page first to make sure. Besides, the bot was adding a malformed "Hold" - A blue Note and then visible code - not like the other "holds" on the page with the pink image. MathewTownsend (talk) 19:57, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
- Ah. Maybe it is a bot problem that should be discussed on an appropriate talk page then. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:23, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
GAN page
Hi Mathew. Just though I would let you know that you can't change the bot by changing the WP:GAN page. You need to alter the template on the reviewed articles talk page. Moving the note parameter should have fixed FLIP.[2]
- No. The parameters were correct on the Talk page. I checked. I saw this happen on another article a few weeks ago. Neither of the articles were one's that I'd reviewed. Both were correct on the talk page. MathewTownsend (talk) 22:06, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
- If note is before status the status is included in the note. The only way to fix it is to alter the template like I did above. AIRcorn (talk) 22:12, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
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- Thanks for your comments, you've given me some good things to think over pre-review (whoever ends up doing the review). I just pinged an editor who worked on a review of the parent article, so hopefully he'll have some good ideas, as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:26, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
re: GAN Icelandic Phallological Museum
I've fixed the dead link. oyasumi (talk) 19:21, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the review, however it was the wrong one. It should have been Dan Leno - the article. I cant think why I added this instead. I will be adding Dan Leno tomorrow at some stage. -- Cassianto (talk) 01:12, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- That's ok. No big deal. Dan Leno looks interesting! MathewTownsend (talk) 01:15, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- I'll sit out the peer review as per WP:PR and then I'll list. All the best! -- Cassianto (talk) 15:35, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- ok, the article looks like a good one. Great topic. MathewTownsend (talk) 17:59, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- I'll sit out the peer review as per WP:PR and then I'll list. All the best! -- Cassianto (talk) 15:35, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
The Dirty Picture
What copyright issues are you talking about? Most of the so called "copying" are from quotes that have been duly referenced. So how can you fail a GA Review? Let other editors decide that. Having said that, if there are some copyright issues, then a copy edit can surely be done. But failing an article is not the answer. smaro! 04:28, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- I've labeled in the article the two sections that are copyvio. Please rewrite those sections in your own words. (And make sure there are no other instances of copyvio, as my browser couldn't load several of the citations. After you do that, nominate it again for GA. I think the article is good and was disappointed to find the copyvio. Best, MathewTownsend (talk) 17:58, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Cinebasti is not a reliable source. I have written the entire article myself, especially the two sections that have been labelled as a copyvio. Cinebasti has lifted the article directly from the Wikipedia page and not the opposite.
Thanks.
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Madagascar GA nom
Hi Mathew, I've made the changes discussed in the GA review, and I think the article is ready for you to take another look at it again. Cheers, Lemurbaby (talk) 13:58, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
- I haven't forgotten and will get to it shortly. MathewTownsend (talk) 17:28, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks Matthew, it took me 4 noms but it finally did it. It was a pleasant surprise to get on today and see it had been moved over. Now I just got 11 more to go.--WillC 04:57, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Politically Inept
Hey, thanks for the copyedits! :) Theleftorium (talk) 11:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Passing mention at AN/I
Hi, Mathew, this is just to let you know that in defending myself at AN/I, I mentioned your name (as one of the victims of the mass revert by User:Montanabw). I hope and trust I mentioned you only in a neutral or positive light. Sorry about this, best regards. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:39, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
- Mathew, sorry your work got reverted in my mass revert of JLAN's stuff. It was unclear if your review was of JLAN's edits or the article as Dana submitted it. I could not sort out which was who's. My position was that Dana's draft was stable, and that any changes needed to occur by consensus (based on your review, in particular) I did not mean to interfere with your work or refer to what you were doing as "vandalism." My concern was solely that JLAN was harassing Dana (for about the fifth time, I think) on one of her GA's, and one I previously had nothing to do with, so clearly he wasn't just firing off another salvo in our own ongoing set of disagreements. Sorry you got caught in the crossfire. Montanabw(talk) 23:10, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
- I got caught in the "crossfire" because my role in the GAN process was dismissed and overridden by your revert. Justlettersandnumbers was not engaging inappropriately in the interview process, from my point of view. Often editors other than the nominator offer suggestions or make edits. There's nothing wrong with that; in fact it's encouraged in the GAN instructions. Your unilateral out-of-process revert is what made the article unstable.
- Where or not you thought someone was harassing Dana, your revert was an inappropriate way to handle the situation and was destructive to my review. Why didn't you contact me instead? I can't understand such behavior or such a dismissive attituide toward a GAN reviewer (me). From my view, there is no rational reason for the revert. It is not for you to decide what the "stable" version is for GAN purposes. Please read the GAN instructions and learn the roles of reviewers, nominators, and other editors; I urge you to refrain from disrupting GAN anymore.
- GAN is a genuinely nice place to edit wikipedia, and I would hate to see that changed. I've reviewed fifty something GANs and never experienced anything like your behavior. GAN got caught in the crossfire. MathewTownsend (talk) 23:55, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
- Well, JLAN did properly note that I reverted your stuff with his. And I'm sorry about that. But please note that I have been a wikipedia editor almost 6 years with several GA's to my own credit. I do in fact know the guidelines, and it wasn't you I intended to revert. When I saw the edits JLAN was making without Dana around to defend or review the material, I couldn't really sort out if you were working off his edits or hers, and I didn't have access to the source material to evaluate it, so just did a revert to the nominated version, thinking in good faith that I was helping YOU because it would give you a "clean" article to review (your edits fell in-between two sets of JLAN's). Based on what JLAN has done in previous articles with inserting unreliable sources, POV sources, or tendentiously sticking to a source beyond what it actually said (not seeing the forest for the trees), particularly because he is simultaneously "not helping" another article I think Dana wanted to prep for GA, I DID consider his work to be questionable. I would hope you also have never before experienced anything like JLAN's consistent pattern of disrupting almost every Animal-related GA Dana has brought forward in the last several months. I think he really is out to get her -- note: this one:
"This was originally nominated due to stability issues, but the nominator [JLAN] was partly responsible for causing the instability...As this looks like a disruptive nomination and no solid arguments for delisting are presented I am closing it as keep." My timing was poor, but someone needs to look at this fellow. Montanabw(talk) 00:55, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- You are completely missing my entire point. If you don't see what was terribly wrong with your dismissive behavior toward me and the disruption you introduced into the GAN process for your own purposes, then there is nothing I can do. It is not helpful to try to justify wrong behavior. The fact that you are as experienced as you say makes it more inexplicable that you think your behavior was justified. Carrying baggage from other places and foisting it into a review I'm working on is not right. MathewTownsend (talk) 01:17, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
- I guess I am having trouble understanding your point. I DO hear that you are angry at me and feel dismissed. And I am very sorry you feel that way because it wasn't my intent. I was actually trying to help by giving you a clean version of the article as it was actually nominated. But I kindly ask that you see MY point: I consider what I did to be very close to a vandal revert -- JLAN's edits are usually about 20% useful material and about 80% OR, often containing unreliable sourcing, usually some heavy POV, and consists of what appears on the surface to be good research, but on closer examination is often not. Anything he adds has to be carefully checked out because it cannot be trusted. You could not have known any of this, and perhaps I should have talked to you here first, but given that all I did on the article was revert once, which JLAN reverted back not long after (calling my edit "vandalism" which got him warned on his talk page by an admin). So I see no real "disruption" -- but it sucks that you and Dana were caught in the middle of it. And that is why I took JLAN to an ANI, where all this can be discussed properly. Montanabw(talk) 15:56, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
A kitten for you!
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Thanks oyasumi! It was a pleasure. MathewTownsend (talk) 17:27, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Hadji Ali
I've decided to nominate the image we discussed at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Hadji Ali if you wish to participate. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:28, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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