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Chronic != "today"
Why bother semi-protecting an article with chronic vandalism problems for just two days? Seems like a complete waste of your time, because it accomplished absolutely nothing. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 23:31, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
- The vandalism had only really just picked up again recently; before then it was only an edit or two every day. That might be frequent vandalism, but not so frequent as to require semi-protection, especially for such a highly trafficked article. NW (Talk) 23:45, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
- The vandalism level didn't "just pick up again recently"; it's been going on like this for months. It will sometimes go a few days without being vandalized, but then another dork will come along and it gets several in an hour, then again the next morning, etc. It's a heavily-trafficked, stable article... whose primary contributors are now vandals. I don't understand why you evidently want that level of vandalism, but if you do, then why protect it at all? Doing it for two days was absurd, and two weeks is little better, because it's based on the notion that the situation will be different at the end of that time, and it obviously will not. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 00:59, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
- Hmm, you are definitely right and it was my mistake to not protect for a while. I have changed that now by extending the protection for quite a while. NW (Talk) 18:03, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
- The vandalism level didn't "just pick up again recently"; it's been going on like this for months. It will sometimes go a few days without being vandalized, but then another dork will come along and it gets several in an hour, then again the next morning, etc. It's a heavily-trafficked, stable article... whose primary contributors are now vandals. I don't understand why you evidently want that level of vandalism, but if you do, then why protect it at all? Doing it for two days was absurd, and two weeks is little better, because it's based on the notion that the situation will be different at the end of that time, and it obviously will not. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 00:59, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia Watch (5th nomination)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wikipedia Watch (5th nomination) (edit | [[Talk:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wikipedia Watch (5th nomination)|talk]] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I'm sure you realize you closed this three hours and change early. There was a reasonable amount of concern about and good argument against deletion and the decision of "no consensus" was also likely. What are your reasons for closing before the normal end of debate? Sswonk (talk) 01:11, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
- 3 out of 168 hours is not really much to make a fuss about. It hardly would have effected the outcome. Chillum 01:16, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
- Still, given the number of people who participated, it might have been wiser to wait. There was a major fuss when things didn't go the way a lot of admins wanted when David Shankbone was closed 6 hours early. I'm not making a fuss, I want to know if there is a good reason for not waiting, like dyslexia on reading the time or even "Who the f--- cares. It's over." If closing early was a mistake, that's one thing, but if not, closing this way can look like NW wanted to beat someone to the punch to advance a point of view. Alison obviously had more than the stub status in mind when she nominated. I for one am not going to DRV, but someone might. Sswonk (talk) 01:47, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
- "dyslexia on reading the time" describes it pretty well; I thought it closed at 00:40 rather than 04:00 when I closed it. I don't really think it is necessary for me to undo my close in this case, as three hours is not really such a big deal, but I shall try to double-check the time in the future. NW (Talk) 02:39, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for the explanation. Closing early can raise suspicion that it was to prevent a random, unbiased administrator from closing the discussion. This looks honest though. --Apoc2400 (talk) 10:47, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- "dyslexia on reading the time" describes it pretty well; I thought it closed at 00:40 rather than 04:00 when I closed it. I don't really think it is necessary for me to undo my close in this case, as three hours is not really such a big deal, but I shall try to double-check the time in the future. NW (Talk) 02:39, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
- Still, given the number of people who participated, it might have been wiser to wait. There was a major fuss when things didn't go the way a lot of admins wanted when David Shankbone was closed 6 hours early. I'm not making a fuss, I want to know if there is a good reason for not waiting, like dyslexia on reading the time or even "Who the f--- cares. It's over." If closing early was a mistake, that's one thing, but if not, closing this way can look like NW wanted to beat someone to the punch to advance a point of view. Alison obviously had more than the stub status in mind when she nominated. I for one am not going to DRV, but someone might. Sswonk (talk) 01:47, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Mass Killings Communist Regimes
Yes, but there is no category for deleting a biased piece of propaganda against Communism, and it has flawed facts and no neutralising articles such as mass killings under fascism/capitalism and there's no excuse because there have been plenty.thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.26.216.157 (talk) 21:24, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
- That is a reason to edit the article to make it better, however; there was no consensus to delete the article in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mass killings under Communist regimes. NW (Talk) 22:14, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
What's the custom?
I answered your question with an "I'm not sure" because I was wondering what the custom was on candidates voting, and I wonder if it has changed what with the secret ballot. I have no strong views; I am content to do what everyone else does. But as candidates could be several percent of the electorate seems to me an ideal solution would be that candidates should vote conscience, not strategy.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:08, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
- I believe the consensus in the past has been for candidates to abstain from voting or only vote in support of candidates as a gesture of good sportsmanship. Note a several stream of opposes for John Vandenberg last year after he voted in opposition for several candidates. With secret voting, however, a lot of this changes. As votes will never be known, the whole issue of not opposing because the candidate might serve with someone whom he opposed is avoided. I would say it is preferable for candidates not to vote at all, as voters won't know if how the votes were cast. I'm not really too sure on this myself, so raising this on the election talk page might be a good idea. Cheers, NW (Talk) 23:14, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
- Well, I won't vote then. And it wouldn't surprise me if SecureVote fails to live up to its name.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:47, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Henry Wells (general)
Hi NuclearWarfare. Thanks for semi-protecting the above; even for a TFA, that vandalism was getting out of hand! Annoying buggers they are. Anyway, thanks. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 00:46, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- No problem. It's been going on for the past week or so on all the TFAs. I'll see if I can't write up an Abuse Filter to deal with the issue without semi-protecting it. Cheers, NW (Talk) 00:47, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Block 172.162.111.91 Please
Keeps harassing my talk page... thanks A8UDI 02:43, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- Already done. NW (Talk) 02:44, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks NW A8UDI 02:49, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
PSSAYM box.gif
I noticed that this image was speedily deleted. What happened was that I was working on the Wiki page for the album Popular Soviet Songs and Youth Music by :zoviet-france: online, and had uploaded that and PSSAYM CD.gif to accompany the article. The browser I was using crashed, which took all my changes with it. I worked on it offline on Wordpad and, when I went to cop and paste these changes in the article, I got those notices and the box GIF was deleted. It is a cassette box created by the band for the original release; it's long out of print, very rare and nigh impossible to pirate to look like the original ceramic box (with the time required to do so, one may as well go to the auction sites and look for an existing copy for sale). Both images were obtained from discogs.com. While their pages are technically copyrighted, I am sure that this is meant to indicate their code, basic layout and original writing, and not the information and images about other people's music releases which they speak about. There is also nothing in their terms of service about usage of other people's images/information in other locations. If you could please restore that image (or allow me to restore it), I would appreciate it. Thank you for your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eyevocal (talk • contribs) 17:01, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
- I saw that you reupoaded the image here. That should be acceptable for use for your article, and I shall not mark it for deletion. Regards, NW (Talk) 17:06, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
Climatedragon's block
Hi NuclearWarfare! Could you reply to the unblock request on User_talk:Climatedragon so that it can be resolved? I agree that the account is probably a sockpuppet (although I'm not sure I agree with the policy that prohibits them.. but that's a different issue! :) but it's just not right to just fillibuster or delay responding to leave the person blocked. Better to resolve it outright. Thanks for your attention! --Lewis (talk) 04:42, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- As I am the blocking administrator, I do not feel comfortable being the one to review the block (as I would decline it). If I were the one blocked, I would not be happy having the blocker also be my reviewer. I am happy for any other administrator to take whatever action they feel is correct. Regards, NW (Talk) 14:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
ANI thread on Repeated Reverts at Solid
I'm not sure Logger9 will leave and see his message only as an apology. Just an example, his opponent, Marie Poise promised to leave for good some time ago, and she's back, and I can't see any trigger for that. It is likely he'll return seeing his work is taken to pieces. This is merely to say that some conclusion needs to be reached on that thread before archiving it - not to start it again if and when necessary. Your thoughts? Materialscientist (talk) 05:12, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- That sounds fine. Would if be OK, if Logger wants to work on the articles in the future, to set up a system where I will work with him to build articles in summary style in userspace and then take responsibility for moving them into mainspace? NW (Talk) 14:33, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- I would support that and offer my help, but I would also listen to what others say. I've been trying to talk to him and brush up his articles for quite some time, but recent tasks overstrech me. Materialscientist (talk) 22:37, 29 November 2009 (UTC) PS (thanks for fixing my blunder on user:Sharpshooter118118 - I returned to reblock and found you there - running to work in haste :-)
- Thanks for the advice, and no problem. NW (Talk) 22:47, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- I would support that and offer my help, but I would also listen to what others say. I've been trying to talk to him and brush up his articles for quite some time, but recent tasks overstrech me. Materialscientist (talk) 22:37, 29 November 2009 (UTC) PS (thanks for fixing my blunder on user:Sharpshooter118118 - I returned to reblock and found you there - running to work in haste :-)
SPI
Okay...so I answered your quick request. Three cases have been checked/verified, and are ready for blocks/closing - Leslie Roak, John254 and Atlantispy09. Dominic is working on the IP one, awaiting someone else's second opinion. Please ask Brandon or J.delanoy to do the Scibaby ones, I'm not familiar enough with the MO. That leaves Lear21, and again if you can get one of the regulars to handle that one you'll be all caught up. Risker (talk) 05:49, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks Risker! NW (Talk) 14:33, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
AfD of Wikipedia Watch
Hi. I just noticed this AfD you closed. I am concerned because the website indeed passes WP:WEB: it is especially covered in Italian sources for example, see this, from the leading Italian newspaper and also this. The site is also cited in academic literature, see here for example. Adding this to all the other mentions makes it notable, or at least "not as non-notable". Judging on the AfD, it should have been a no consensus.
Also, the nomination was somehow tainted by explicit COI/canvassing: see this thread, which among other things contains Brandt quote below:
"All three articles should be deleted because no one will miss them. Help me out here; the AfD for Wikipedia Watch is about 22 for DELETE and 16 for KEEP at the moment. I'd could use a stronger showing for DELETE. Only two days remain!"
which is worrying to say the least. Could you comment? --Cyclopiatalk 15:25, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree with the above assessment, the nomination for deletion was motivated by dislike for inclusion of the article, based on views that the article was an example of "navel gazing". The argurment for deletion had an undercurrent of WP:IDL, explicitly stated by the nominator. The poor arguments for deletion based on WP:WEB constituted a majority, but not a substantial or huge amount of the !votes. Further, the debate was closed three hours prior to the standard seven full days usually given for deletion discussions. WP:IAR and certainly WP:SNOW were not called for here. NW claimed above[1] that s/he "thought it closed at 00:40 rather than 04:00 when I closed it"; an early closing when another administrator would have been just as likely to close as "no consensus" raises further concerns. This was not a BLP issue yet the author's desires carried undue weight and should not have been included in the discussion or nomination. It appears the article was not nominated or deleted promoted for deletion to benefit readers, but to satisfy a more opinionated feeling that "it had to go". That is unfortunate for the project if it is indeed the case. Sswonk (talk) 15:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) To Cyclopia: As those sources were not mentioned at the AfD, there was no way for others to analyze them to see whether or not they meets WP:WEB. And as for the canvassing, I was unaware of it. Not much I or anyone else can do about it though. I am not really sure where to go from here. Perhaps DRV would be your best bet? Also, Sswonk, your unfounded comments about some hidden intentions of mine are blatantly untrue and I would like you to withdraw them. NW (Talk) 16:08, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- Hi NW, I had trouble phrasing that so as not to accuse you of collusion of any sort. That wasn't what was intended; "nominated or deleted" refers to the process leading up to your action, including the arguments and !voting. How does the changed wording look? Sswonk (talk) 17:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- That is not what I meant at all. I disliked your speculation about any affect Daniel Brandt's involvement had in my analysis of the debate as well as your implication that I closed it early so that I could have the close my way. NW (Talk) 17:42, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- The early closing was disquieting, without regard to whether it was intentional or not. You were informed it was closed too early and could have undeleted and reopened without further comment, but you chose not to. I can't speak to how you view what I wrote, the summary of my feeling is that the early closing adds to arguments questioning the result, purely on a procedural note. Sswonk (talk) 17:50, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- Sswonk, closing the AfD debate early would not have changed the result at all. NuclearWarfare has already explained why he mistakenly closed the debate early, so please cease in your bad faith assertions. The underwhelming sources presented at the debate, as well as the cogency of the "delete" opinions and the weakness of the "keep" opinions, led NuclearWarfare to close the debate as "delete", which was the only close possible. I am certain that NuclearWarfare would not have closed this AfD if he had a strong opinion about the article.
To Cyclopia: if you wish to resurrect the article, I recommend that you ask for userfication, add the above sources to the article, and then request restoration to the mainspace at DRV. Cunard (talk) 21:59, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
- Sswonk, closing the AfD debate early would not have changed the result at all. NuclearWarfare has already explained why he mistakenly closed the debate early, so please cease in your bad faith assertions. The underwhelming sources presented at the debate, as well as the cogency of the "delete" opinions and the weakness of the "keep" opinions, led NuclearWarfare to close the debate as "delete", which was the only close possible. I am certain that NuclearWarfare would not have closed this AfD if he had a strong opinion about the article.
- The early closing was disquieting, without regard to whether it was intentional or not. You were informed it was closed too early and could have undeleted and reopened without further comment, but you chose not to. I can't speak to how you view what I wrote, the summary of my feeling is that the early closing adds to arguments questioning the result, purely on a procedural note. Sswonk (talk) 17:50, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- That is not what I meant at all. I disliked your speculation about any affect Daniel Brandt's involvement had in my analysis of the debate as well as your implication that I closed it early so that I could have the close my way. NW (Talk) 17:42, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- Hi NW, I had trouble phrasing that so as not to accuse you of collusion of any sort. That wasn't what was intended; "nominated or deleted" refers to the process leading up to your action, including the arguments and !voting. How does the changed wording look? Sswonk (talk) 17:27, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for what i did
But i want to report on this user: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:BWCNY
he keeps editing stuff on this page for no reason: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTA_Regional_Bus_Operations_bus_fleet and he accused me of doing stuff i didn't post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thenovabus (talk • contribs) 16:17, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- Talking it over with him on his talk page or on the article's talk page civilly is your best option here. NW (Talk) 16:29, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
New editwar battleground for Tygart
Hi, NW. It appears User:Valerius Tygart disagrees with the SPI results where checkuser J.delanoy confirmed his abusive sockpuppetry. Since the archiving of the case, he has attempted to insert or delete text to and from the case page several times. You and I have both reverted his edits, yet he continues, and is now parroting your edit summary back at us. He has been edit-warring with me on the Bill Maher article since his blocks expired, inserting inappropriate BLP content once per day for two weeks now — I'd rather not have him warring with me on this front, too. I checked Tygart's explanations/excuses for his abuse of socks, by the way, and they don't prove true — unless all of J.delanoy's checkuser confirmations are in error. Any suggestions? Xenophrenic (talk) 18:15, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- I have taken appropriate action in regards to the SPI case. As for the Bill Maher, that looks like a standard content dispute. I would advise raising the issue on WP:BLPN or WP:3O to get a third opinion. Regards, NW (Talk) 18:30, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks much for the prompt response and suggestions. Best regards, Xenophrenic (talk) 18:42, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
ACC
Hey NW, long time no see. I was suspended from ACC back in August/September due to inactivity, and I'm interested in coming back to ACC (and what I loved doing on Wikipedia in general). Could you please un-suspend my account? Thanks in advance! --Dylan620 (contribs, logs, review) 00:34, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
- It seems that you were suspended by OverlordQ with the following reason given: "You made a few mistakes with recent requests you marked as Too similar. I will contact you on your talk page shortly." Did you end up talking this over with him? NW (Talk) 00:36, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
- That can be seen here. I was unsuspended, then suspended again. I was unsuspended again after that, then I didn't get suspended again until the typical "45 days of inactivity" suspension back in late August/early September.
- I will understand if you decline my request based on this - but please do understand that back then, I was less mature and much jumpier than I am today. --Dylan620 (contribs, logs, review) 00:50, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
- No worries. I'll unsuspend your account, and regrant you the accountcreator permission. NW (Talk) 01:13, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Hmm.
[2], [3]- is it possible Occult and friends are actually CosmicLegg? --King Öomie 16:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
- Seems likely. Thanks for the report; I have reopened WP:Sockpuppet investigations/CosmicLegg to see if a checkuser can sort it out. NW (Talk) 19:50, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
- +RazerCrane (talk · contribs) ---King Öomie 22:13, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
- Avraham found that one, and quite a large number of other sockpuppets as well. NW (Talk) 22:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
- Account creation must be a full-time job for that guy, jesus. What's the point? --King Öomie 22:29, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
- Avraham found that one, and quite a large number of other sockpuppets as well. NW (Talk) 22:15, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
- +RazerCrane (talk · contribs) ---King Öomie 22:13, 30 November 2009 (UTC)