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Coral
Hey, just wanted to say thanks for the cleanup on coral smith - not that it's my article or anything - not trying to imply that - but I was afraid of taking out the npov without continuing the conflict that I didn't want to be involved in, so rather than put some work in I did the lazy thing and just put up the NPOV and wiki templates - so sorry about not doing that myself and making you do more work than you should have had to. --danielfolsom 15:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
- Sure, no problem. Sometimes its better if a completely uninvolved editor comes in and does cleanups anyway. Rockpocket 20:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Major Help Needed
Hey rockpocket, I have to ask you to help me out again at Gangs in England. It's possibly right now one of the worst articles on Wikipedia. I just removed TUNS of copyright violations - from different sources - but I'm having trouble finding the copyright problems because Google gives bias torwards american results. Again, if you have time I would really appreciate your help. (Just to let you know I'm also suggesting that it be merged with gang for reasons listed on the talk page) --danielfolsom 01:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- Sure, I'll have a look later this evening. By the way, if you wish to bias for English results, try searching http://www.google.co.uk and checking the pages from the UK box. Rockpocket 05:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- God that page is a mess. I get the feeling much of it is lifted verbatim from elsewhere, perhaps the books quotes at the bottom, but I can't find anything using google. I would be tempted to {{cn}} tag much of it and, if no-one comes forward with sources, then to delete large swathes. I'll see what I can do in the next few days, but its late here and I need to sleep! Rockpocket 07:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- Oh - sorry for keeeping you up! Eh, yeah - I found three major chunks (like a paragraph or more, oh and a whole section) that were blatantly copyrighted. I'm almost thinking that it's not worth it - but I've been working on the gang article and I wanted to expand the scope of the gang article (which only has info on American gangs) to Europe, so hopefully I can work on it a bit. --danielfolsom 12:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- God that page is a mess. I get the feeling much of it is lifted verbatim from elsewhere, perhaps the books quotes at the bottom, but I can't find anything using google. I would be tempted to {{cn}} tag much of it and, if no-one comes forward with sources, then to delete large swathes. I'll see what I can do in the next few days, but its late here and I need to sleep! Rockpocket 07:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I provided fair use for Image:Sneaky.jpg album cover, but the deletion tag is still there, I just was wondering if you can check the fair use to see if it is acceptable and if the tag still needs to be there because I don't want it to be deleted. BetacommandBot is the one that put the fair use disrupted, I contacted him but he has not gotten back with me, so maybe you can check it out?--Migospia†♥ 19:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Do I have to wait for an admin to remove the disputed tag, or can I because when the bot tagged in on the user page people said they added fair use and removed the tag themselves--Migospia†♥ 02:31, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Because I don't want to get it deleted.--Migospia†♥ 05:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- I would wait. It will not get deleted without a pair of human eyes checking it. I would expect the policy on this to be established before anyone does anything regarding deleting. If you want it to be kept for the long term, its important that the image meets our fair-use criteria, and the best way to ensure that happens is to get the closing admin to check it. Rockpocket 06:19, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Who is the closing admin?--Migospia†♥ 07:08, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know. Whomever takes it upon themselves to clear the backlog when its finally decided what is required for a valid fair-use claim. Rockpocket 07:24, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Daniel's not showing good faith
Daniel and I made up yesterday, and I tried to be friends with Daniel by noticing how Dscarth called his arguments fallacious when they weren't and I pointed that out on the yogurt talk page. However, Daniel also came to my talk page with this.
Actually, just so you know - I have a plan with the yoghurt page. See if no one comments on the spelling for long enough (even if it's just Dscarth) I can archive the debate. See the reason this time is so frustrating is because we had actually just voted on it and there was no consensus - usually that will end the debate at least temporarily - because the article itself is not that great and it's better to focus more on the article. So again, I'm trying to archive it but that means I have to restrain myself from replying to dscarth - who seems intent on just pissing everyone off to continue debate
Daniel came to my talk page with this after I admitted what he said was bad faith:
- Haha - nope, not in this case. Believe me I've been on Wikipedia long enough to know it's policies. There's a difference between assuming someone just came to a talk page and was trying to piss people off and assuming someone that has been doing so for a while is trying to piss people off. For example - on Wikipedia if a person vandalizes a page - we assume that a mistake was made, an accident. But if the that person keeps comming back, we actual call them a vandal.
Now, I may be Daniel's friend but there's no way on earth I am going to be biased towards my friends, because it's not fair to other editors. I let Daniel know that it was bad faith to say such a thing. Daniel didnt think it was in bad faith to say that about Dscarth and I hope you will talk to him and let him know that it is. I don't want him to be upset with me. I just want him to follow the rules EverybodyHatesChris 21:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
- Firstly WP:AGF is a guideline, not a policy. Secondly, Daniel said dscarth... seems intent... in other words, that is Daniel's interpretation after significant interaction with dscarth. I have no idea what is going on with dscarth. It may well be a large assumption of bad faith in Daniel's part, or he may indeed be trolling the page just to piss people off. I don't know, and I don't really care. If you have an opinion on that, tell Daniel yourself.
- Finally, and with all due respect, if dscarth himself came an made a complaint I may consider approaching Daniel, but since the alleged WP:AGF as nothing to do with you at all, there is little to be gained from pursuing it.
- If you don't like Daniel's forthright style then stay away from him, but please stop engaging him in "friendly" banter, then going behind his back and reporting him when he says something you don't agree with. If someone seriously violates policy, there are number of warnings any editor can issue (see WP:UW). Please consider using them. If the behaviour continues to the extent it is disrupting the project, then by all means let me know and I'll look into it. However, admins are not here to babysit, and we are not inclined to dish out cautions for every little squabble, especially when they are as isignificant as this. Rockpocket 00:50, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Template Useful?
Hey Rockpocket, so I know above you just said that I shouldn't try to involve you with things that don't concern you (sorry bout that) - but I was wondering if you could help me with this one template (I swear last time) that I'm not sure where to go with. I was finding articles that read like obituaries, and I couldn't find a great template for them, so I just created {{obit}} - but I'm not 100% sure about the wording, and I could really use someone with your sense regarding the aforementioned to just make sure it is not incredibley barbaric. If you don't have time to do this or anything don't worry about it - I'll just figure it out eventually and see if anyone else is availible. Again, sorry. --danielfolsom 02:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
- Seems ok to me, my only criticism would be that "thusly unsuitable" is very obtuse phrasing, it probably better to keep it simple on a template. Rockpocket 05:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
- See this is what I mean when I essentially say you're smarter than me - what do you mean by obtuse phrasing? (Obtuse angles are the big ones! XD) --danielfolsom 01:21, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- Ha ha. "Obtuse" - meaning "not clear or precise in thought or expression" [1] probably wasn't the right word to use anyway. I was just trying to say that "thusly unsuitable" is not a commonly used phrasing and appears to mean the same as "therefore is unsuitable" which would be much clearer to those who only speaks english as a second language, for example. Rockpocket 02:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- Oh I gotcha - thanks for the tip I'll change that right away, yeah, I've never actually used thusly in my language before - but for some reason I was inspired (I was kinda listening to the radio while i did this - maybe I heard it there...). And by the way, you probably know this, but just for reassurance, you're absolutely fine on the ANI thing - no one will punish you. The only people that have a chance of getting punished would be me and EHC, me for my relatively incivil comments on the talk page (although I don't remember what I said - I gotta go check ... eek), and him for his numberous threats. Seriously, unless EHC becomes an admin before it closes - then you'll probably be praised for how you handled the situration. --danielfolsom 02:21, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, thanks. I'm not particularly bothered, I just said it as I saw it. If the community thinks this should have been handled another way, then thats fine and I will take their advice. However, I think everyone has pretty much seen it for what it is - a storm in a teacup. Rockpocket 02:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- Ok actually - I'm not going to let him get away with this. I think it's slander at best, and it's absolutely insane. Like I am so mad right now because if you look at this user's track record - it's rediculous. So even if it means I'm going to have to trash my own reputation in order to do so - I will not let a single claim of his against you go by, it's not fair to target you in something where if anyone should be targeted, I should. I'm going to call him out over and over - because at this point I'm going to ignore WP:Civil and follow WP:Cut the Crap . --danielfolsom 03:13, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
How's this? I just want to run it by you before I put it on--danielfolsom 03:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
YAY CIVILITY! | |
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Statement | Inevitable Flaw |
FIRST INCIDENT w/ Administrator Rockpocket: | You say that you never called anyone a vandal - then you say you called only migospia a vandal - both wrong. You called Migospia and me a vandal.[2] |
SECOND INCIDENT w/ Administrator Rockpocket: | You decided to take a careless, mean-nothing comment and distort it to be a violation - which is why I was upset with you. Rockpocket however, was rightfully upset - as you were unfairly dragging him into the debate when you should've posted here, you aren't supposed to use other users' talk pages like that. |
he won't acknowledge that Danielfolsom's has done something wrong and instead lies about very old incidences with me that only happened ONCE, all to justify Daniel's behavior and become uncivil towards me. | Can we start a new article : Top ten most persistant pushers of conspiracy theories on Wikipedia. I got an idea who number uno can be. |
Note: This can be expanded at any time |
- K I'm going to use that as a last resort - as in if he keeps doing what he's doing, but I'd like to give it some time to see what happens. --danielfolsom 15:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
- Hi Daniel. I appreciate you are frustrated at EHC's MO (which appears to be to report everyone he comes into contact with, and if the person he complains to doesn't agree with him, he complains about them too). However, its clear to me that getting dragged into a debate with him is not going to serve any constructive purpose. That table will only incite EHC to make further complaints. I would recommend WP:SHUN as the best way forward here, that is certainly what I will be doing, and It appears to be be what other admins are doing. Eventually EHC will get tired of "reporting" everyone and move on himself.
- I also appreciate your concern for me, but really, don't worry about it. This is part in parcel of being an administrator. I encouraged EHC to make a complaint if he thought I was abusing the tools and that is what he did. While I think the com;laint is entirely without merit, I welcome other editors reviewing my actions occasionally, only then can I be sure that my judgement is in tune with community spirit. Rockpocket 17:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
No! I like Daniel's show of bravery right there. I wouldn't report anyone for that kind of bravery. Nice job, Daniel. I think we can all learn something from everything you just said. You had real guts in making that comment with that WP: Cut the crap. lol! Takes a lot of guts, my boy. That kind of bravery and heart puts me in a good mood. Not a lot of people can put me in a good mood. First show of guts I have seen since joining wikipedia. Gentleman, I think we should start off on a clean slate and put all this fighting behind us. You have moxie, Daniel. Keep it up. That kind of moxie will get you places. EverybodyHatesChris 20:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Your vegan revert
You re-added serious to consequences, when the diseases and consequences aren't considered serious I am just curious as to why, maybe something I am missing? Thanks.--Migospia†♥ 02:29, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- The reason I changed it back was because the sentence read "These deficiencies can have potentially consequences, including anemia..." which doesn't make any sense gramatically. If the consequences arn't serious, there there is no point listing them. However, rickets, anemia and cretinism are not inconsequential disorders. They way I see it, if the deficients can lead to those then it is a serious consequence, if they can't lead to those disorders then it isn't, but then that entire sentence is incorrect. Rockpocket 02:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Well you can change it to "These deficiencies can have potential consequences, including anemia...", which makes more sense--Migospia†♥ 02:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
- Yes, you can. If you wish to do that then go ahead. Rockpocket 02:57, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Veganism 3RR
Oh please Rockpocket someone removed my tag so that gave me the right to at least change the wording if not put the tag back, you did a partial revert and I talked with you about it so that let me do the second revert and some newbie might as well me an anon ip reverts all my hard work that gives me more grounds to rv than that kellen did which still thinking about makes me VERY angry she got off. And yes I know there is an issue to be resolved now but it's not like I am in some edit war. And I already said talk about it on the talk page but this one person is not making any sense as well as Madeleine, SlimVirgin and kellen has issues with me because they are all buds so talking with them is not going to get anywhere.--Migospia†♥ 21:17, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Also please watch what you say to me, in times like theses you tend to say things about me that aren't true and come off very mean and start accusing me of things, just a friendly reminder to be nice--Migospia†♥ 21:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
as Migospia says....
Talk vegan I thought it was already cleared but you kept saying Migospia this Migospia that, for future reference you don't need to do that because there is not point and it is not nice, just advice! =) Peace?--Migospia†♥ 00:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- I'll take that advice under consideration, thank you. My intention was to explain why the debate had been about the word "serious" and not the more relevent issue, in my opinion. Nevertheless, I didn't mean to make it sound accusatory. I apologise if I gave that impression. Rockpocket 01:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you I accept your apology--Migospia†♥ 01:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Vince McMahon
I was trying to read the article Vince McMahon. (His name came up on the Ref Desk and I accessed the article, without a clue as to what I would find.) I know nothing about professional wrestling except for what "everybody" knows, which is neither sound nor encyclopedic. I assume from the text in the article that Vince McMahon is a real person who is currently alive, as well as a character in shows and films, though not really an actor. Very little seems to be sourced in this article and some of it seems too fantastic to be true. I was astonished to find almost no contention expressed on the talk page; there is very little challenge to any of the statements. (I draw your attention to Paragraph 3.3 for example.) Perhaps this is all as well known as Paris Hilton's short jail stay, and thus requires no sourcing and/or perhaps Mr. McvMahon likes to be talked about in such a manner. It may be, then, that I am just too square. Could you take a look at the noted section 3.3, if nothing else, and then let me know what, if any thing, I should be doing? (I certainly can't argue any facts.) Thanks Bielle 01:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- Remarkably enough, that appears to be real [3]. It should be better sourced, though, as should most of the rest of the article. Pro wrestling articles are in a world of themselves, really. They tend to be poorly written by people that believe its for real. The should probably be treated more like fictional characters, since thats what the essentially are, but since they are also personas of real people they should meet WP:BLP. My suggestion would be to use the {{fact}} template for anything that seems particularly outrageous or unlikely. If no-one comes along and provides a source for it within a few days then it can be removed. If something is slanderous and isn't sourced, then you can remove it immediately per WP:BLP. Rockpocket 02:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- Given what appears to go on in that world, I don't know what might be considered slander, or libel. There are jurisdictions where, just because something is true does not means it cannot also be libel or slander. Perhaps it is the attitude of the character that matters. "Say anything about me, but spell my name correctly." Thanks for your thoughts. I realize from perusing the other section on this page that you have much more pressing matters to deal with at the moment. Bielle 03:31, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
hmmm
But you don't get it I am over it and I don't care, however I do HATE when people keep bringing it up and add how you didn't, taking it to WP:AN/I is not going to do anything because it is in the past, but just dont bring it up, thats it! and dont do it again simple quite i think....--Migospia†♥ 03:16, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- I will continue to edit in that manner. If you continue to edit war, or violate WP:3RR again, then I will warn you again. That is not a personal attack. If you have a problem with that then I suggest you address it now, because its not going to go away. As I said, I am perfectly happy to listen the the community on this. Rockpocket 03:21, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- I am saying Daniel brought it up not me not you but yes if I ever edit war or violalte WP:3RR ever feel free to warn me, but you can't warn me and say I violated anything when I did not like your statement just now says:
If you continue to edit war, or violate WP:3RR again I didn't so you need to stop accusing me and say if you do this then you are in an edit war and etc, not when it was not like that although I was aware that if I had reverted or edited anything again without talking to an admin then I would have anyway so its a moo point--Migospia†♥ 03:25, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- Hey Rockpocket - I hate to get in the middle of this, but just FYI - the only thing I said was I'm glad that your first one-on-one debate (refering to the veganism) was with Rockpocket because a lot of new editors would get frustraed and freak out, so it's nice that you get to have the debate with someone more expierienced. Sadly, this led her to bring up the old debate somehow, which I felt compelled to respond to. To me it seems like there is either a grudge being held or the debate never finished - but it just seems to keep popping up. Just my take--danielfolsom 03:59, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Yea because you brought it up dude thats why it somehow keeps popping up-'From what I remember he didn't attack you ', - Just saying before you said that I was not even thinking about it, but once you said that I had to defend myself. Thats the take--Migospia†♥ 04:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Edit war
Bottom line: By definition of Wikipedia I did not edit war and if I was any other user you would not have said that because you know that Edit war: An edit war is a conflict between editors on a wiki in which users constantly revert a page between conflicting versions.
That was not being done. Anyways I hope you understand now and have a good day peace!--Migospia†♥ 03:35, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Migospia and Daniel and stuff
Thanks for your message. I have no problem if you want to take a break away from it. I don't see that you are so involved regarding last nights events anyway, so a withdrawal sounds like a good idea. I would like to point out that you have, IMO, been spot on with your considerations, actions, and opinions. You may want to think about counselling Daniel to, again, follow your excellent example. Cheers. LessHeard vanU 21:41, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- Actually funny you mention it - I had just said that on her talk page exactly 11 seconds before you said it on mine! But yeah - I don't see me getting anywhere with her. It's so frustrating because I tried the relazed approach and thought it worked - but turned out she took that as a sign of support and decided she was right about everything, and now that I say that's not the case - I'm getting some really hateful emails- I think I've gotten three so far - so I'm not really sure if there's a workable way around it. --danielfolsom 22:33, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Please note
I would advise you that I have posted a comment, asking for clarification, at WP:AN EverybodyHatesChris (talk · contribs) possible trolling? regarding EHC's conduct, which mentions you in passing. LessHeard vanU 22:58, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Smile
Welll I was not sure if that was okay to do but since I did not remove any text, I did not see any harm in doing so as well as I see people editing grammer and spelling on talk pages. I asked Lessheard about this 6 hours ago it seems he is not on anymore so didn't respond. But thank for letting me know!--Migospia†♥ 02:03, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- I know it is off topic and you might not respond with help but:
User:Bearcat keeps trying to put a note in the middle of the Michaëlle Jean article, I put the disamb note at top and the user did not seem happy about it. Maybe you can help me out, if the note the user is trying to put in the middle of the article should be there are not.--Migospia
EHC
Hey Rockpocket - so I don't know if you checked out the ANI for Everybody hates chris or not (I myself haven't), but because I was watching EHC's talk page from an earlier dispute - I noticed that he was blocked and he seemed to disagree with the course of action (the block) - so I'm wondering if this was the right thing to say to him in response.
EHC - if you want the block to be removed I think you can really do one of two things:
- Challenge the block itself - say that the block was unfair and it shouldn't have happened (NOT reccomended)
- Go over the list of grievences, look at some of your debates (like the ani with rockpocket and some of the links mentioned there, and the ani with you, and anything else you can think of) and try to find what you have done wrong - then maybe in a day you should type a fairly long thing (It should be maybe 8 sentences at least I would think) on the mistakes you made and how you're going to make sure you'll not make them again. If you take the time to do this and you do it well - then I'll help edit it and then you can put the template {{unblock}} on it - while there's no gaurentee that the block will be removed, it's a start, and I'll do everything I can for you assuming you're willing to put in the effort.
Crossing my fingers, --danielfolsom 04:25, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- Sounds like good advice to me. Rockpocket 04:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- Sweet - although I'm kinda hoping it takes him a few days - I'm not ready to defend another editor and thus likely argue with a different one. XD. Regardless - what would you say the chacnes are of getting an indef block lifted in about a day? --danielfolsom 04:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- I think he could get his block lifted pretty easily, if he knew what to say, how to say it and then actually do it. However, if he was capable of doing these things, he wouldn't be blocked in the first place. Rockpocket 04:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- (per User talk:EverybodyHatesChris) - Apparently he doesn't want to get back - this user has just confused me - it's def. been the most frustrating week ever on Wikipedia. Haha, alright - I'm off but I'll see you later - here's to a better next week --danielfolsom 05:03, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- I think he could get his block lifted pretty easily, if he knew what to say, how to say it and then actually do it. However, if he was capable of doing these things, he wouldn't be blocked in the first place. Rockpocket 04:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- Sweet - although I'm kinda hoping it takes him a few days - I'm not ready to defend another editor and thus likely argue with a different one. XD. Regardless - what would you say the chacnes are of getting an indef block lifted in about a day? --danielfolsom 04:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Curious
I am just curious how you know what I am doing on Wiki all the time, is it an admin thing or do you watch all the pages I edit or check my contribs a lot? (This is a real q)--Migospia†♥ 07:18, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- Many of the pages you edit are on my watchlist (which currently amounts to 2,649 different pages (excluding talk pages) and includes pretty much every animal rights related page). I have been watching the discussion at PETA, with amusement, for sometime. Its amazing how things that seem so insignificant to some people can be mean so much to others, don't you think? Rockpocket 07:23, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- I know! I think it's insane I mean I am not really pushing for companion animals I am just wondering what's the big deal? It's a nicer way than saying pet but apparently it is such a big deal they have to get angry and bring in a hate group into a love group! I know sometimes I might fight for something strong when I believe misleading information in an article (i.e veganism) and come off as a bit a little into it but most of the time I am neutral (don't laugh I am!) But I would not mind if the pet thing stays for some reason some people want it to but at least change back for reference [70]
Also are you for or against animal rights?--Migospia†♥ 07:47, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- On philosophical grounds I don't generally believe animals should have rights, no, though I am a strong advocate of animal welfare and believe humans have a great responsibility towards animals.
- If you don't mind me saying so, I do believe you are neutral. The problem comes, not just for you but for all of us, when we edit on a subject that we really care about, because then it is almost impossible to be really neutral. The trick is recognising those occasions and then being able to spot who really is neutral and deferring to them. Its easier said than done, of course, but that I think is what we should all be aim to do (myself included). Rockpocket 07:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- Well thank you and I see what you mean about that and agree we should all aim there as well aim for peace and love for all.
I am over with the pet mess thing so can you edit it to were the companion animal is used in with the reference number [70], since it is in the article already and taking it out would not be good faith?--Migospia†♥ 08:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not sure I understand what you mean about reference 70. The article currently appears to use the term companion animal (as well as pet) in the citation, what has been taken out?
- I think its a good idea to give it another day or so to see if any consensus can form around my proposal, or not, before making any further changes to the article. The way I see it, since its a minor matter, its better that the article remain stable and we thrash it out on the talkpage, rather then we revert back and forth. Eventually some agreement will be reached and we can then edit the article. Perhaps, if we can make a convincing enough argument, those who have been reverting from your version will change it back themselves. That, to me, is always the most satisying solution. Rockpocket 08:17, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
further thoughts on Mingin'
hi rockpocket, what you said about the origins of the word Mingin' got me thinking about the word 'Minge' - basically used in the same context as Mingin, but usually (espically where i grew up) as a slang for female genitalia, don't think i will be introducing this word to beille thou... just can't think of a nice or scholarly way of doing so " hi beille, beille this is 'minge', 'minge' beille..." ;) Perry-mankster 09:39, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- I wonder why Perry-mankster believes he must present something to me in a "nice or scholarly way", as I am myself neither nice (in any of its meanings, old or new) nor, in any formal way, a scholar. I am likely old enough to be his grandparent, I have heard or read all the other slang terms for female genitalia, in English and in French. Curious, that.
- "Mingy", pronounced to rhyme with "stingy" and not with "stringy", means "small" in the sense of "mean" or "cheap" on this side of the pond: "What a mingy serving of pie that is! Are you saving the rest for someone you like?" Bielle 17:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- Haha, I think that is just the British reserve kicking in. We weren't brought up to use such words in polite company, you know, not like those uncouth people from the colonies ;) I hadn't thought of minge though, and Perry is correct, one would assume, that its from the same root. I expect a Canadian who referred to a serving of pie as mingy would get some startled looks in the UK! Rockpocket 17:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- That piece of pie would be an interesting variation on the Shroud of Turin. Perhaps Hugh Heffner would be interested. Bielle
Vandal ip
Sice you are an admin I think you should know that it seems 194.81.39.249 is being used for vandalism--Migospia†♥ 23:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know, some one has already blocked him or her. Rockpocket 17:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
thumbnailing and forcing image size
Thanks for reminding me, but I was already aware of the preference for plain thumbnailing in order to preserve user optioning. I specifically forced the image size in that case so that it would not conflict with the readability of the text, as there are several images in that small section. VanTucky 23:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
P.S. Great use of the Get Your War On quotation! VanTucky 23:11, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Random Question
Hey Rockpocket, I keep getting emails about one of my activities (positive and negative - but mostly negative) which is going to CAT:CCSD and trying to fix up all the articles there (of course I still keep the speedy tags on). Do you think this is an ok practice? Because I've done it a thousand times and I don't want to keep doing it if it's not ok. Just to let you know the biggest mentioned problem is that I do it even when the article will most likely be deleted (like even if I think an article is really bad I'll make some fairly big edits on it just in case I'm wrong and the article is kept) - I've been told by two editors that I'm preventing the encyclopedia from improving by "playing with crap" while all the other editors "don't fucking suk and do god stuf (sic)". Again, I'd just appreciate some feedback as I just got the like 5th negative email - and I'm used to no one emailing me so it's kidna weird.--danielfolsom 04:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that editing candidates for speedy deletion is the best use of your time, since the majority of them will probably be deleted irrespective of how much you can improve them. However, doing so certainly does no harm and there may be some candidates that could be rescued by a good rewrite (notable A7s and G11s or G12s, I guess). I'm not quite sure why anyone, in good faith, would send you a critical email over it - if thats what you wish to do, I don't see what its got to do with anyone else. Don't worry about it. Rockpocket 07:35, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- Sweet - and just to let you know the reason I do the contested speedies is because I figure most times if someone's dedicated enough to not only create the article, but also come back and put a speedy on it, then there might be something good there and perhaps even if I can't save the article I can help the editor save his or her next one. That being said, you're right, it seems like 9 out of 10 times no matter how much I work on it and format it, the article ends up being deleted, which kinda sucks. The only ones I can think of that I've saved are Politicks and Pimp Juice (don't ask about that last one). It's so frustrating that I think I will probably find something else to do, but either way thanks for the feedback! --danielfolsom 11:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- Nm, I didn't do pimp juice - i did Pimp Juice (drink) - a lot different. --danielfolsom 15:19, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- Sweet - and just to let you know the reason I do the contested speedies is because I figure most times if someone's dedicated enough to not only create the article, but also come back and put a speedy on it, then there might be something good there and perhaps even if I can't save the article I can help the editor save his or her next one. That being said, you're right, it seems like 9 out of 10 times no matter how much I work on it and format it, the article ends up being deleted, which kinda sucks. The only ones I can think of that I've saved are Politicks and Pimp Juice (don't ask about that last one). It's so frustrating that I think I will probably find something else to do, but either way thanks for the feedback! --danielfolsom 11:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
TfD Nomination
TfD nomination of Template:Abuse
Template:Abuse has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. — Andeggs 16:54, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Persia White and Scientology
You really do have a big watchlist... I wanted to talk to you about this because of some edits to the Persia White article. That link you showed me was not listed as a source it was just some writing which I did not think writing about some journal is a source, but how do they work?--Migospia†♥ 07:17, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- This one didn't come from my watchlist, but through my recent changes spool on Vandal-proof. Sources do not need to be online, and the source provided - on the face of it - appears to be genuine. This is where WP:AGF come in, unless you have a good reason to believe the source is spurious then we assume its a valid source. It lists a magazine, an issue and a page - so you could always go check it if you wish. Or you could ask the person that added it to provide the relevant quote on the talkpage. If the claim was particularly outrageous, you could argue a magazine is not the most reliable of sources. But seeing as there are other sources that suggest White is associated with Scientology, I think the source is adequate. Rockpocket 07:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
A.z. loomis
Still gripping on the talk page. This is a huge time sink and starting to become a community issue. They just don't seem to understand. And thanks for reverting my talk page. David D. (Talk) 13:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- I would tend to see it as a very slow gripe, and not (yet) worth bothering with. A.Z. posted one rant a few days ago; Loomis posted a rant today. They're iffy, and if Loomis doesn't show any interest in actually contributing it certainly wouldn't be a loss to the project if he were blocked, but I'd frankly prefer not to waste our time or attention on them unless necessary. The whole point of trolling is, after all, to get a response. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:16, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- "The whole point of trolling is, after all, to get a response." Good point. A slow burn might be best here; no need to provide oxygen. David D. (Talk) 14:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- But bear in mind this publication:
- William F. Laurance (2003) Slow burn: the insidious effects of surface fires on tropical forests Trends in Ecology & Evolution 18, (5) 209-212
- But bear in mind this publication:
- Abstract
- Accidental surface fires are emerging as one of the most pervasive threats to tropical forests. Although unimpressive in appearance, these fires can have surprisingly potent impacts on rainforest plant and animal communities, as demonstrated by recent studies led by Jos Barlow and Carlos Peres in central Amazonia. Even worse, surface fires greatly increase the likelihood of far larger conflagrations that can lead to complete forest destruction.
- A bit melodramtic, maybe, but interesting non the less. David D. (Talk) 15:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not sure its worth acting quite yet. They have both had their say now and hopefully that will be the end of it. If it continues to rumble on, despite the warning to Loomis about leaving Clio alone, then I will block him. Rockpocket 04:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
He's back!
Look! Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's......Dr Loomis (four degrees). Anyway, he's back! He has me now, seemingly, in a state of nature. In his dreams, Rockpocket; in his dreams! From her Imperial Majesty, the Empress Clio the Muse 16:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- Bizarre! That will be the last, you have my word. If this rumbles on I will block Rockpocket 04:13, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
CSD/AfD suggestion
Thanks for the heads up! Yeah they just strike me as terrible articles (and not to mention there like 4 clones of one of them that got speedied yesterday). I'll take it to AfD for at least one when I get the time/motivation to write it up. Thanks again. Cquan (after the beep...) 18:25, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- Personally I agree (and I speedy deleted the ones yesterday, they were beyond the pale). Infact I actually deleted these too but then noticed the failed AfD and felt it would not be right to speedy an article that has gone through AfD, so I restored them. Rockpocket 18:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah...I thought about making a redirect to WP:AGF under WP:GABI (Grin And Bear It) :-P. Cquan (after the beep...) 18:34, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I sent you an e-mail with a Wikipedia related question hopefully you can respond =)--Migospia†♥ 03:23, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Template
Hey - I just wanted to know what you thought on Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_June_12#Template:Abuse - because frankly I think it should be split (Relationship abuse, Animal abuse etc.)for ease of use of the templates and for ease of dealing with conflicts, but you probably have more expierience with situations like this so I'd love to know your opinion.--danielfolsom 03:33, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
- I don't have a huge problem with it as it stands, but as before, it will continue to be used for POV purposes. I'm not sure its value - covering such a range of disparate issues - is with the constant fight its going to be to keep it neutral. Rockpocket 04:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Tim Binnall
Hiya -- amused by your comment on Talk:Tim Binnall. Do you reckon The Great Wikipedia Conspiracy will be a topic on one of their future podcasts? -- Sjb90 07:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
- Heh heh. I hope so. Good spot finding that. Rockpocket 07:42, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
- I think my favourite line from that forum thread is "Wikipedia people have a notorious reputation for being nit picking aaaassssholes." -- I'm considering putting that on my CV :o) -- Sjb90 07:44, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
- And thanks -- it amused me muchly! -- Sjb90 07:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
2 Vandals, sock?
4175shelton and Minimej12 keep adding vandalizing statements in the Animal testing article, like "trolls and other mythical beasts." on one section and on another something about someone being from Mars.--Migospia†♥ 15:08, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Reply to ER comments
I do see what you mean, and I'll have a think about that. Regarding email - I thought it was enabled as I had ticked the box, but I hadn't specified my address. Oops. Fixed now if you want to contact me. WATP (talk) • (contribs) 15:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
- Have emailed you. WATP (talk) • (contribs) 17:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
TfD(?)
Hey, would you mind taking a look at {{Refimprove}} and telling me whether it's redundant when compared to {{Citations missing}}? I mean, based on what I've seen, the only templates needed for citations are {{unreferenced}} (no references at all) {{Citations missing}} (some), and {{fact}}(in-line) - but you may think otherwise - thanks in advance--danielfolsom 00:08, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
- I guess I can think of occasions were {{Refimprove}} may be a more appropriate template to use than {{Citations missing}}. I'm not sure those occasions will be so numerous though, as {{Citations missing}} will be fine for the majority of cases, leaving {{Refimprove}} largely redundant. I'm not really sure what the criteria is for deleting templates, since there are plenty of redundancies in templates that we use all the time. I don't have a problem with having them both. Thats just my personal opinion, though, I'm not really sure what our policies have to say on the subject. Rockpocket 00:22, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, help
Hi thanks for your help with the block. I need some help, a list, that I use and edit frequently has been put up for deletion, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_black_rock_musicians. And like the Tangeline article getting deleted you offered to WP:USERFY, I was wondering if you could do that here.--Migospia†♥ 03:44, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
- Never mind Daniel helped me--Migospia†♥ 04:12, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Moving cats
According to talk, everyone seems to have agreed on moving the name for the category, how do we go about moving cats?--Migospia†♥ 07:30, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
- Good question, see Wikipedia:Category renaming#Speedy renaming and speedy merging. I'm not sure it would count as meeting the criteria at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Speedy, though, so it should probably be listed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. Rockpocket 07:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Maybe help, Hayley Westenra
Can you keep a close eye and review Hayley Westenra.[4]. I added a category, got reverted once talked on the user's talk page, waited 5 hours and talked on Hayley Westenra's talk page's saying I will revert as I did. The user got back with me on the talk page 7 hours later with one source for my 4, so I said like what happened with Coral Smith if you have two or more sources differing each-other in a way include both, so I included both in my last edit, but if the user has any objections or reverts can you check this out?--Migospia†♥ 23:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
- Yes please help the user changed it but it makes no sense--Migospia†♥ 00:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
adoption
I would love to be adopted.
I am a smart woman (no, really, I swear)...just a little dim when it comes to Wikipedia. I understand you may not be looking to adopt, but if not, do you have suggestions re: someone who is calm, a good teacher, clear and kind?
With such thanks! 24.184.192.158 21:22, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
sorry re: above post
The tildes didn't seem to work, though I was signed in (see what I mean about the 'dim' thing?)
best! Nomoreworldwar (just in case the tildes don't work again) Nomoreworldwar 21:24, 18 June 2007 (UTC)