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: If you want you can report. Anyway your edits are '''irregular'''. See the revision history of that article. Thank you. [[User:Takabeg|Takabeg]] ([[User talk:Takabeg#top|talk]]) 04:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
: If you want you can report. Anyway your edits are '''irregular'''. See the revision history of that article. Thank you. [[User:Takabeg|Takabeg]] ([[User talk:Takabeg#top|talk]]) 04:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
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::If you make one more revert, we'll go to arbitration. Neutral sources prove the arguments. What's irregular? I restored the article with neutral point of view. <small><span style="border:2px solid black;padding:2px;">[[User:Anastasia.Bukh|<font style="color:white;background:green;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Anastasia Bukhantseva '''</font>]]</span></small> 04:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
::If you make one more revert, we'll go to arbitration. Neutral sources prove the arguments. What's irregular? I restored the article with neutral point of view. <small><span style="border:2px solid black;padding:2px;">[[User:Anastasia.Bukh|<font style="color:white;background:green;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Anastasia Bukhantseva '''</font>]]</span></small> 04:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
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::: I said that "if you want you can". But unfortunately your edits were done without normal prosedure. Have you read [[Wikipedia:Requested moves]] ? [[User:Takabeg|Takabeg]] ([[User talk:Takabeg#top|talk]]) 04:34, 19 July 2011 (UTC) |
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Regarding "Category:Ottoman Military Academy almni". I think the last word is supposed to be alumni, right? --Lysozym (talk) 08:06, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
I apologise for my delay in replying. If you have consensus to change the name of this template, by all means do, but it is transcluded by a large number of articles - see Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Kurdish_independence_movement - and you need (a) to review these to be sure that your revised title is still appropriate for them , and (b) to delete the template from the article if it is no longer appropriate, or alter the article to include the new title if it is. The problem when you moved it last time was that, when the old title was tagged for deletion, all the articles that transcluded it were added to CAT:CSD, the list of articles for speedy deletion, and that was what alarmed me. I guess that would have ceased to be a problem once the old template was actually deleted, but that would still leave a redlink in the articles. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:53, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you. Most of article included in this template is irrelevant with independence movement and this template was added to various irrelevant articles. Today I'll improve them. See you. Takabeg (talk) 21:58, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Talkback
Message added 09:29, 2 July 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
I don't think this is vandalism, it's a content dispute discussed at the top of my talk page. Dougweller (talk) 09:29, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
- This is not content dispute. Maybe there was content dispute between those who believe that Zazas are Kurdish, and those who rejekt it. But sources clearly show the presence of various theses. At least he is abusing Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion. And do you control sources ? In short Wikipedia must not support any propagandas because of WP:NPOV. We have to show everything, if we can find reliable soruces. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 10:10, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
There is no contende dispute between "those who believe that Zaza are Kurdish and those who rejekt it". Because there is no Source rejecting Zaza as Kurds. And who are you to reject what the Zaza are if they consider themselves as Kurd. All sources which were added before are shown and no one of us did remove them unlike you. You are just not able to separate linguistic from ethnicity and this is your problem not ours. Wikisupporting (talk) 10:50, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
- I didn't remove any source. I used existing soruces that you used for trying to prove Kurdish nationalists' theory. But it was detected that you used those sources fakedly. You can control sources easily. You will understand that what scholars wrote. Please read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a soapbox or means of promotion again and stop your propaganda. Takabeg (talk) 11:06, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
You did not remove sources?
Wikisupporting (talk) 11:10, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
- I didn't remove them. I transferred infromation only with exiting sources. You removed sourced information. Takabeg (talk) 11:22, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
You did remove all the parts important for the ethnic identity of Zaza and only used those part which talk about linguistics and suit your Propaganda. This is called double moral and Vandalism not "transferring informations". And you also did manipulate them! For example you picked out only one statement from van bruinessen. "According to Martin van Bruinessen, few Kurmanji-speakers understand Zazaki, but most Zazaki-speakers know at least some Kurmanji." What is irrelevant for the ethnic identity of Zaza.And says absolutely nothing about it. And I asked you hundreds of times WHO are you to reject the Zazas identity if they consider themselves as Kurds and are excepted and are accepted as such by ethnologists. The whole linguistic debate is just unimportant in this issue and should be mentioned in the Zazaki language article.
And you did not mention this.
"Virtually all Zaza speakers consider themselves, and are considered by the Kurmanji speakers, as Kurds"
This is, here on Wikipedia simply called Vandalism
Wikisupporting (talk) 11:47, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
This here on Wikipedia simply called Vandalism
- What ? I didn't remove them. I transferred infromation only with exiting sources. You removed sourced information. As you know, especially in Europe, some groups of Zaza people think themselves as Kurdish only by political reason, Some groups of Zaza people think themselves nothing but Zazas. I know situation personally, but I didn't reflect imformation of mine. I only read existing sources and transferred from them. It's easy. Why you want to propagate article ? In Turkey, situation is a little different. Not only Zazas but also many Alevi Kurds didn't think themselves as the same group of Sunni Kurdish nationalist. Furthermoer, there are considerable numbers of Zazas in the Ülkücü movement of the Turkish nationalism. We have to refer to these facts in the article with Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. Takabeg (talk) 11:57, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Are you having a hard time in understanding what you yourself are posting? "Transfering sources" means simply you did only recognize those parts talking about linguistic issues and let out the self-designation and ethnic role of Zaza. You also did manipulate statements of martin van Bruinessen. He is talking about a small circle of zaza in the Diaspora, you wrote "Some of the Zaza speakers" and did not even mentioned that it are Speakers from the Diaspora. And also you didn´t mentioned that he said that virtually all Zazas consider themselves as Kurds. Means almost all Zaza consider their ethnic identity as Kurdish.
Ludwig Paul mentioned in his book that the most important thing for the identity of Zaza is their Religion and Culture and someone should not mix up the linguistic issue with the ethnic one because ethno-cultural Zaza and Kurmanji Kurds build a unity.
A Zaza Alevi feels much closer to a Kurmanj Alevi from Tunceli than to a Zaza Sunni from Diyarbakir. And Kurdish Alevis are a minority. The Sources clearly point out that the Zaza movement is strong in diaspora not in Turkey were the majority to all zaza consider themselves as Kurds! I am not speaking of those assimilated Zazas living in the western metropols of Turkey because they are as much assimilated as the Kurmanc. And there might be some Zaza who might not see themselves as Kurds but this is also the case among Kurmanji Kurds and a political and not ethnic issue! Are we going now to write under the Kurmanji article. "Kurmanjis are a iranian People which some of them consider themselves as Kurds and some not"? This is exactly what van Bruinessen points out. There is no clear border of "kurdishness" and "non kurdishness". So basically all People who consider themselves as Kurds are Kurds. And van bruinessen points out that virtually all Zaza consider themselves as Kurds.
And again you did remove Sources first.
You removed this
http://www.scribd.com/doc/35883517/Kurds
and this
http://www.zazaki.net/haber/among-social-kurdish-groups-general-glance-at-zazas-503.htm
Wikisupporting (talk) 12:40, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
and added a non existing source like this
http://www.kenthaber.com/Arsiv/Haberler/2007/Mart/22/Haber_217409.aspx
- Unfortunately I didn't remove them. I only suspended them because I couldn't be sure whether they are Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources or not. Anyway you can see them in all editions, because I've never removed them. Probably we will have to remove some of them. Takabeg (talk) 12:59, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Re:
The one group which I am most familiar with are and which a great deal of literature has been published on are the Islamicized Armenians of Hemshin. For them, there is The Hemshin: History, society and identity in the Highlands of Northeast Turkey, edited by Hovann Simonian (London, 2007) and several chapters from Armenian Pontus, edited by Richard Hovannisian (Costa Mesa, CA, 2009). The second group is the Armenians who were forcibly converted to Islam during World War I but who have retained their Christian identity. They are spread all throughout the eastern provinces of Turkey but I've heard that there are significant numbers residing in the Black Sea, Lake Van and Diyarbekir regions. So the relationship with the Zazas and the Alevis cannot be ruled out. You might have to consult more specialized literature to find out where forced islamiziation was most prevalent during the period. As regards numbers, it's truly difficult to give something that can be even remotely called accurate. And yes, Hitler was telling his generals to be ruthless in their assault against the Poles; there were, as yet, no plans to exterminate the Jews in 1939 (this only happened later, in about 1942). İyi şanslar. --Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 19:50, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Other neutral users interested in Middle East
Unfortunately, no. Middle East related articles are heavily infected with more nationalists than any other area. Most of them edit from the U.S. in an attempt to deceive their true purpose of removing reliable sources, mention of other ethnic groups and any facts they find unpalatable about their respective country of origin. These nationalist do not find anyone neutral to their POV. Why? Because they are most likely being paid to ensure that information is being sanitized, censored or forcibly included(ie.sourced with unpublished non-neutral sources[1]) in Wikipedia. So welcome to the most difficult area in Wikipedia to edit. --Kansas Bear (talk) 20:31, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
Refs removed
Hi
Can you please explain why you are removing google book references from the Turkish invasion of Cyprus article?
Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 02:10, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
- Because of crowdedness. I've pasted them. Now I think that users who are interested in that issue understand facts. If you want, you can paste them again. Takabeg (talk) 02:22, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
- To be honest I do not understand what you are trying to say.
- "Because of crowdedness" - They only appear in the references section and not in the main body of text.
- "Now I think that users who are interested in that issue understand facts" - if you mean that they understand it and so do not need the refs that is highly against Wikipedia policy of sourcing facts. The urls show the text from the source in context. It is highly irregular to remove them.
- I suspect that I do not understand your points due to English not being your first language, perhaps you can try and simplify what you are saying to make it more clear. Chaosdruid (talk) 02:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, English is my fifth language :) You can do as you want. Takabeg (talk) 02:36, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
- I only speak two, and my second (French) is not that good, so well done :¬)
- I have put them back in, but I am concerned that I address your concerns as well. Are you Turkish (or Cypriot)? I only speak a few words of Turkish, though I would like to learn more I do not think I will ever visit Cyprus or Turkey due to lack of funding. Chaosdruid (talk) 03:01, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
- I'm a citizen of the world :)) I've been to Ukraine too. Kiev, Odessa etc... I wrote the article tr:Kseniya Simonova. See you. Takabeg (talk) 03:09, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, English is my fifth language :) You can do as you want. Takabeg (talk) 02:36, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
RfC behavior
The idea behind the RfC is to let others to comment, not you. Please consider moving your comments, they are a breach of RfC etiquette. The RfC is not a vote. Your "keep" is meaningless. Athenean (talk) 08:19, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
- Wait a minute. I'm reading Wikipedia:Requests for comment now. Takabeg (talk) 08:30, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
Disruptive editing
Please be aware that I had to resort to asking for a third party help due to your repeated and unexplainable and unwarranted reverts in Tevfik Fikret article. Regards. Murat (talk) 05:35, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources ? Takabeg (talk) 05:39, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
IP
No its not belongs to me,And who are to ask that question???Also dont try to blame the people with undreal absurd and pankurdish claim!
- Why ? Pan-Kurdish claim ? Which one ? Show me pleeeeeease.
Your edits, remove Kurdish and put Turkish. IP's edit, remove Kurdish. They are too much and i will not try to collect and show them,i dont care with that offencive acts.To blame people with Pan Turkism or turkish Nationalism and anti kurdism is shows and prove my words.
Why did you remove Kurdish ? Why did you put Turkish ? I recommend you read Talk:Nasreddin. Takabeg (talk) 06:51, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Türkçe vikipedideki olumsuz,yapıcılıktan ve tarafsızlıktan uzak tavırlarını burda da devam ettirme.--Kamuran Ötükenli (talk) 06:42, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- Sayende Türkçe Viki millî Vikiye dönüşecek :)))) Modern Türk çocuklarına zarar verme. Takabeg (talk) 06:51, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- Sayemde hiç bir şeyin olduğu filan yok,daha önce de söyledim Türkçe vikideki zararlı ve tarafsızlıktan uzak kürtçü milliyetçi tavrına devam ediyorsun.Biz başkaları gibi tarih boyunca hiç medeniyet ve devlet kuramamışların olmayan tarihini uydurmaya çalışmıyoruz:))) Ayrıca bu samimiyet nedir?git babana espiri yap madem çok espirilisin.--Kamuran Ötükenli (talk) 07:09, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- I didn't make a wisecrack. I suspect Sockpuppetry and/or Matpuppetry. Takabeg (talk) 07:15, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- If you didn't make a wisecrack then whati si this "Sayende Türkçe Viki millî Vikiye dönüşecek :))))" also "Modern Türk çocuklarına zarar verme" mocking and insulting or Personal Attack??? don'forget the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility
Ve daha önce de dediğim gibi zararlı ve saldırgan davranışları bırakman lazım. --Kamuran Ötükenli (talk) 07:57, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- Why personal attack ? I recommended you. Or do you want to make edits that would cause harm to children ?
For example:
your edit: Put irrelevant modern Turkish alternative name.
IP's edit: Put irrelevant modern Turkish alternative name. And change qaγan (this is according to source) to Kagan.
IP's edits: Put irrelevant modern Turkish alternative name. And change qaγan (this is according to source) to Kagan.
Takabeg (talk) 08:04, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
- Don' try to switch the subject i said you before i am not the only one user who knows Old Turkic,also i saw his/her edit and i edited such as i know,its simple but you don't want to understand,amd still continue to blame me!
Ayrıca hemen İngliziceye çevirdin vardır bir bildiğin veya işine gelmeyen bir konu.--Kamuran Ötükenli (talk) 09:03, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Adding unreferenced banner
Hi
The unreferenced banner is only for articles or sections that do not have any refs. The section you added it to in the article Turkish invasion of Cyprus had 3 refs in there already. It also says "article". To change it to "section", add the section parameter:
- {{unreferenced|section|date=July 2011}} which gives:
If you want to ask for more references you can use these banners:
- Template:Refimprove - asking for more sources
- Template:Primary_sources - asking for secondary and tertiary sources rather than primary ones
- Template:Verify_credibility (inline) - questions the validity of a particular source
I have also corrected some of the grammar from your recent edits today :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 13:56, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
- Çok Merci. I put {{Citation needed|date=July 2011}} in that section of the article Turkish invasion of Cyprus, because there is no sources of third party. Takabeg (talk) 23:39, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
- sorun değil. The lead (the first part of the page above the table of contents), does not have to have references (but often they do). This part of the page is a summary of the article and the references may be in the main part of the page. Chaosdruid (talk) 23:54, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks
Dear takabeg. I am writing this to thank you for your great helps and anti-vandalism edits on middle east related articles. Wish you the best in your future works and edits. Regards.--Aliwiki (talk) 14:59, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
DYK for İncili Çavuş
—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:03, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi, HJ Mitchell. I think that all information about him are not historical facts but legends. So I don't decide whether the style of question such as "Do you know "Suleiman the Magnificent supposedly gave İncili Çavuş a pearl to wear to distinguish him from other sergeants? is suitable to DYN or not. Regards. Takabeg (talk) 00:10, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
Merhaba
- Selam Takabeg, nasılsın? Türkçe Viki'ye girmiyor musun artık? --Cemallamec (talk) 18:04, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
- Ve aleykum. Senden naber ? "Osmanlı Hava Kuvvetleri" diye bir şey yoktu ("Osmanlı Hava Kuvvetleri" -Llc 4 results: sadece Türk Kültürüne Hizmet Vakfı, bir seminer, Mustafa Selçuk, Soner Yalçın'ın eserlerinde geçiyor. Hava Kuvvetleri Komutanlığı'nın yayınladığı Ajun Kurter'in Türk Hava Kuvvetleri Tarihi serisinde bu terimi göremedim. Takabeg (talk) 23:31, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
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Caaaaaaaat
Hi. How are you ? Anata wa ogenki desuka ? Toaru Majutsu no Index'ten dolayı mı, とある白い猫 oldun ? Takabeg (talk) 06:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
- İyi günler. はい、 げんきです。 Nickimin manga ile direkt ilgisi yok. :) -- とある白い猫 chi? 11:05, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Sanjak of Niš
Hi. Will you please be so kind to help me with Sanjak of Niš by adding its name on Turkish language into infobox.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:11, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi. In modern Turkish, Niş Sancağı but I think that we don't have to put modern alternative names into articles. As to Ottoman name, Niš was described as نيش or نش and Sandzak/Sanjak was سنجاق. I'm not sure whether سنجاق نش and/or سنجاق نيش is correct or not. This page is useful. Takabeg (talk) 23:04, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply. I did not expect that you would reply on your talk page and therefore I did not read it. There are some users which prefer to reply on the same talk page. They often inform other users about such preference by explaining that on the top of their talk page (i.e. like this user did).
- Once again, thank you for your reply about alternative names on Turkish language. I agree that it could be an good idea to use original script for native names, besides modern ones.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:50, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Selam
- Selamlar. Sizi merak ettim. Nasılsınız? Türkçe Vikipedi işi bitti mi sizin için?--Gökçe Yörük (talk) 19:57, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Selam 2
- Selam Takabeg. Epeydir uğramıyorsun mekana bir bakayım dedim. Keyfin yerinde gibi. Ancak vikipedide birçok madde taraflılaştı sen gideli onu da belirtmeden geçemeyecem. Vikihaber'de hizmetlilik oylaması bir oylama var katılırsan memnun olurum oy kullanma hakkın var zaten. Cevap yazarsan buraya da giriyorum görürüm ben. İyi akşamlar.--Reality006 (talk) 20:00, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
- Gerçi Türkçe Vikipedi'den de yazdım da görmezsin diye buraya da yazdım.--Reality006 (talk) 20:03, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
- Birde List of dictators maddesinde İsmet İnönü diktatör olarak eklenmiş. Türkçesinde çıkarılmış. Sana göre İsmet İnönü diktatör müydü? Ben çok hakim olmadığı için Türkçe'sine müdahale etmedim ancak makul gerekçelere göre değişiklik yapabiliriz.--Reality006 (talk) 20:18, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
There are approaches to define the İnönü period ("Millî Şef dönemi" ) as a dictatorship (Hakkı Uyar, Tek Parti Dönemi ve Cumhuriyet Halk Partisi, Boyut Kitapları, 1998, ISBN 9789755211442, İnönü dönemini diktatörlük olarak tanımlayan yaklaşımlar da vardır p. 381.). Yani "disputed", "debatable" filan eklenebilir. Takabeg (talk) 03:12, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Birde "Osmanlı Hava Kuvvetleri" terimi yaygın değildir. Çünkü öyle bir şey yoktu. Haberin olsun. Takabeg (talk) 06:34, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Armenian placenames in Turkey
Don't remove Armenian place names from articles about Turkish localities[2] unless you first have a clear consensus to do so at the talkpage. Wikipedia has ageneral policy of including minoritylanguage place names for localities where Minority languages have been or are still spoken.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 21:51, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
- Is that the Van Province's Armenian name ? No. You can put that into the article Van. Did you read Talk:Van Province ? Please don't confuse articles on province with articles on city. Takabeg (talk) 23:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
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Tughra edit war
I have reverted the content to before this little edit war and am inviting both you and the other gentleman to discuss the matter at Talk:Tughra. You guys need to find a consensus position before you start editing again. Vanisaac (talk)
- I just saw that you were already trying to do that. Thanks for your patience and calm. I'll keep an eye on Dragon to make sure we get consensus before any more changes. Vanisaac (talk) 13:30, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Sheikh Abdurrahman rebellion
Greyshark09 just requested speedy deletion of the page Sheikh Abdurrahman rebellion. Since speedy deletion is reserved for completely non-controversial cases, I declined the request for now. Your comments on the talkpage indicate that you might agree that the page should not exist, but I am not familiar enough with the history to judge one way or another. Would you like the page deleted or kept? - 2/0 (cont.) 16:23, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
- I think you can delete. First of all, we've never heard the Sheikh Abdurrahman rebellion. And we can regard him/her as only user who contributed to that article. Edits of other users are nothing but very minor and meaningless. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 19:02, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Vankli
You know well what kind of edit it is. Stop edit warring or I must report you! Anastasia Bukhantseva 04:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- If you want you can report. Anyway your edits are irregular. See the revision history of that article. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 04:22, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- If you make one more revert, we'll go to arbitration. Neutral sources prove the arguments. What's irregular? I restored the article with neutral point of view. Anastasia Bukhantseva 04:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- I said that "if you want you can". But unfortunately your edits were done without normal prosedure. Have you read Wikipedia:Requested moves ? Takabeg (talk) 04:34, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- If you make one more revert, we'll go to arbitration. Neutral sources prove the arguments. What's irregular? I restored the article with neutral point of view. Anastasia Bukhantseva 04:24, 19 July 2011 (UTC)