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== Since you continue to be disruptive.. == |
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Take 48 hours off, VK. Your attacks on Elonka are outside the lines, and you should know that by now. [[User:SirFozzie|SirFozzie]] ([[User talk:SirFozzie|talk]]) 17:21, 11 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:Yawn! exact reason?--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 17:33, 11 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::Personal attacks and disruptive editing. I've brought it up here. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Request_for_more_eyes_on_a_volatile_situation_regarding_The_Troubles] [[User:SirFozzie|SirFozzie]] ([[User talk:SirFozzie|talk]]) 17:34, 11 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I am quite astounded by your retarded logic! Not sure why because I shold come to expect it to be honest. So who am I attacking and what is the attack because I cant figure it out.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 17:39, 11 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Well?--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 19:52, 11 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::::So why is vvvkts....zzzz....ACCUSED (sorry) of not observing good manners? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/85.164.222.233|85.164.222.233]] ([[User talk:85.164.222.233|talk]]) 23:09, 17 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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{{unblock reviewed|1=I dont know why anyone ever does one of these because they are never overturned and fellow admins always see things from the other admins perspective. Sir Fozz says that I have been disruptive and made a personal attack yet refuses to clarify the block, which is poor form. I wasnt being disruptive at all - I hadnt been involved in the revert war that was being discussed and I never suggested that Domer should ignore the probation only that putting him on probation was wrong - I wasnt alone on that. So there can only be the personal attack issue - I made no personal attack, I asked Fozz what was the attack and who was it made towards? Sir Fozz certainly does have a COI with regards me so maybe that clouded his judgement.|decline=You clearly don't ''want'' to understand the meaning of [[WP:CIVIL]] or [[WP:NPA]]. Look right above this unblock request for a perfect example of why you shall remain blocked. I am declining your request for unblock because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that |
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# [[/Archive 1/|Archive 1 - 5 August 2006 to 25 January 2007]] |
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*the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, <u>or</u> |
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# [[/Archive 2/|Archive 2 - 25 January 2007 - 5 February 2007]] |
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*the block is no longer necessary because you |
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# [[/Archive 3/|Archive 3 - 5 February 2007 - 8 March 2007]] |
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**understand what you have been blocked for, |
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# [[/Archive 4/|Archive 4 - 9 March - 14 May 2007]] |
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**will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and |
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# [[/Archive 5/|Archive 5]] |
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**will make useful contributions instead. |
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Please read our [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] for more information. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 23:16, 11 November 2009 (UTC)}}[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 21:23, 11 November 2009 (UTC) |
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{{unblock reviewed|1=there is no personal attack. I didnt not attack Elonka, she asked what Domer meant by his comment, I explained, she was happy with the answer I got. As per usual just because an American see a swear word they automatically think there was a personal attack - there wasnt. Dont judge us by your cultural standards. There was no personal attack. [[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 00:16, 12 November 2009 (UTC)|decline=No one appears to have objected to your first edit to that thread, but the second one constituted a personal attack. Per your block log, this does not appear to be an isolated incident. I suggest that you consider modifying your behaviour to reflect Wikipedia standards, rather than implying that you are being singled out due to cultural differences. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 00:41, 12 November 2009 (UTC)}} |
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:What "second bit" - throw me a fecking bone here and explain exactly why I am actually blocked instead of having me chase my tail.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 00:43, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Domer48&diff=325272555&oldid=325272125 This edit]. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 00:45, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::You dont like making it easy do you. What '''EXACTLY''' is the personal attack that warrants a 48 hour block.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 00:47, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::::What a load. You just refactored this page to remove the links to the ANI thread and previous attempts to explain it to you. I'm revoking your talk page access for the duration of your block to avoid you're wasting any more of other's time with this foolishness. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 00:53, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::The fact that, considering you have a block list that is literally as long as my forearm you still don't get what you're doing wrong here makes me a sad panda. Which, in itself is odd, since I'm not a panda. It ''does'' still make me sad, though. Have you ever considered maybe going somewhere else on the internet? [[User:HalfShadow|HalfShadow]] ([[User talk:HalfShadow|talk]]) 00:54, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::::(EC x2) I have [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FElonka_2&diff=148653326&oldid=148650313 not always been] Elonka's biggest fan, and for all I know she may not have made the correct decision as far as Domer48 is concerned. There is nothing wrong with questioning the probation itself. To that end, however, it is unnecessary to disparage Elonka herself; a review can take place without such comments, which are not conducive to a productive editing environment. As a corrollary of what you can see at the top of [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks]], comment on the action, not on the administrator. If you really feel it is necessary to review an administrator's action on a wider scale, there are other venues for that which are more productive. Likewise, note that [[WP:NPA]] says that "Recurring attacks are proportionally more likely to be considered disruption." Much as in the case of the probation mentioned here, your history of being blocked for personal attacks was likely considered as a contributing factor when deciding to block your account. [[User:Dekimasu|Dekimasu]]<small>[[User talk:Dekimasu|よ!]]</small> 01:03, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==Ban== |
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As you already know, you have been indef'd and banned per [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&action=historysubmit&diff=325364881&oldid=325364790 this ANI thread]. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — [[User:Rlevse|<b style="color:#060;"><i>R</i>levse</b>]] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|<span style="color:#990;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 02:38, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::FYI to all the summary in the block log was the result a wrong pasting job. It should have been [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&action=historysubmit&diff=325364881&oldid=325364790 this] <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — [[User:Rlevse|<b style="color:#060;"><i>R</i>levse</b>]] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|<span style="color:#990;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 03:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I have restored your email and talkpage rights. <span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — [[User:Rlevse|<b style="color:#060;"><i>R</i>levse</b>]] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|<span style="color:#990;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 15:07, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Thank you, Rlevse. Vintagekits, please set a good example with your communications. I've vouched for you to a certain degree. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 15:14, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::Jehoch, which is in effect, SirFozzie's 48 hours block or Rlevse's indefinate ban?--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 10:25, 13 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==For battling POV and suffering for the project I award you this.....== |
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Comments from unregistered users will be deleted! |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Glad to see some one <s>has</s> had the '''ability''' and '''tenacity''' to defend NPOV against the imposition of POV-by-numbers <span style="font-family:Celtic">[[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] ([[User talk:Sarah777|talk]])</span> 09:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Jeez Vk; you break my heart! Why keep effin' and blinding at people when you '''know''' what will happen????? Still, hope you get back. Maybe look up ''"apology"'' in the dictionary and practice in front of a mirror - without head-butting the glass :) [[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] ([[User talk:Sarah777|talk]]) 10:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==Regarding query== |
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Sorry I must have missed your question, which template talk page was it on.--[[User:Padraig3uk|padraig3uk]] 23:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:This one, [[Template:United Kingdom regions]] regards--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 10:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:Hmmmm.....Maybe '''I''' should be apologising: it seems you were merely ''explaining'' the phrase "cop yourself on" when an Admin interpreted that as a personal attack. Bad call. [[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] ([[User talk:Sarah777|talk]]) 10:21, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::I put a reply in the [[Template talk:United Kingdom regions]] page, I will try to add more detail later.--[[User:Padraig3uk|padraig3uk]] 11:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::Is the Barnstar something I should NOT wish to have on my name? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/85.164.222.233|85.164.222.233]] ([[User talk:85.164.222.233|talk]]) 23:12, 17 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Socks== |
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== Not banned yet == |
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Probably our friend in New York, I'm 99% certain on the Sarge but less so on the General. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 16:21, 15 May 2007 (UTC) |
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The debate about blocking or banning is still ongoing at ANI, as such VK should be permitted to edit his talk page. Everyone has a right to defend themselves before a sentence is passed. There seems to be a lot of unssemly and undue haste on this matter - why? <small><span style="border:1px solid Red;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Green;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giano '''</span>]]</span></small> 10:18, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==Gerry Storey== |
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:I have to say this looks like a witch hunt. As I look at it, it is beginning to stink. A discussion about a possible ban was opened... a dozen or so people voted straight away to say ban... and then people tried to close the discusion AFTER AN HOUR and impose a ban. Sounds like some canvassing was going on there and some people letting their hurt feelings over rule their reasonable side. Having had a look into this yes VK has some WP:Civil issues but really... complete ban after an hour's discussion? I have to say I think a number of editors should step away from this issue completely. --[[User:LiamE|LiamE]] ([[User talk:LiamE|talk]]) 10:48, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Boxrec is wrong on that one, from what I can tell it's got him confused with his son Sammy who was an active amateur boxer in 84 and 86, so makes more sense that it's him. Plus according to [http://www.irish-boxing.com/may05/17_May_2005_Gerry_Storey.htm this] he was 63 in 2005 (although [http://sport.independent.co.uk/general/article549462.ece this] says he was 70 in 2006), so there's no way he was having his first professional fight in 88 or born in 63. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 07:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC) |
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In response to my request for copies of emails on this subject, I have received this from Vintagekits, I mailed back and asked for his permission to post it here - he agrees. It was sent to RLevse half an hour or so ago, perhaps when he get's out of bed, (as we have all been now for some hours) he will respond. I think VK makes a reasonable request and point: |
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<blockquote>"To RLevse: ''The discussion about my block is ongoing and as half of Europe has just woken up I think you should allow them the chance the have there say.'' |
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:Also, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gerry_Storey&oldid=131127343 don't break the article!] <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 08:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::Actually I think it must be another son of his called Gerry. Sam had a far more glorious career.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 09:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Well either way it wasn't him :) <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 13:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::Alright, alright you win! Wot it does highlight however is dat da article contains nutin bout Gerry prior to becoming a trainer, surely he must have had an amatuer career and more than likely a pro career also. --[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 13:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::Well the closest I found is him being described as a [http://www.irish-boxing.com/may05/17_May_2005_Gerry_Storey.htm budding talent] in 1948, if you want to try and find amateur records from then be my guest! <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 13:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC) |
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''Can you a. please restored by block to the original 48hr b. unbar me from sending emails and c. unblock me from using my talk page.'' |
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== Comment == |
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''You have left me utterly armless and legless in being able to defend myself against the allegations put.''! From Vintagekits</blockquote> |
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Do you recall our mutual friend [[User:Bill Tegner|Bill Tegner]]? He has returned under a new name, [[User:Millbanks|Millbanks]]. If you happen to see him POV pushing again and/or using talk pages to promote his own personal opinions, please let me know. Thanks. <font color="Green">[[User:Irishguy|'''IrishGuy''']]</font> <sup><font color="Blue">[[User talk:Irishguy|''talk'']]</font></sup> 07:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:Will do.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 21:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Posted here by <small><span style="border:1px solid Red;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Green;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giano '''</span>]]</span></small> 12:32, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==Bobby Sands Man== |
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:I'd support that. I'm of the view that Vk was by no means the only person sending emails last night. And the initial block was so bad it merited a severe reaction. IMHO. [[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] ([[User talk:Sarah777|talk]]) 12:46, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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His [[User talk:75.3.2.96|previous talk page]] and [[Special:Contributions/75.3.2.96|contributions]] shows he's not going to listen to reason.... <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 10:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:A Chicago IP address - I'll say no more!--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 10:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::That would be a first for you ;) <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 10:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Oi cheeky! I have infact had very little to say with regards the lastest bout of AfD's on my Scotch friends.[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 10:30, 18 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::Yeah, things seem to be going well without involvement from us, so I'm staying clear as well. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 10:37, 18 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:Show me the diff that justifies preventing this user from any sort of communication. I don't see it. When people get blocked we expect them to get heated and do a little cussing on their own talk page. Escalating at that point is harmful to Wikipedia. Just let them blow of steam and if they are still in the mood to cause trouble after 48 hours, reblock them. If you think the user has warn out community patience, you need to give the community a chance to comment. One hour of discussion is not enough. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 14:18, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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One Night In Hackney, reason? You are the one that has failed to give any reason for why articles about Irish Republicans should not go by the same standard of articles for everyone else on wikipedia. One Night In Hackney, you are letting your bigotry get in the way of using reason. One Night In Hackney does not base any of his edits on logic, just hatred. [[User:Bobby Sands man|Bobby Sands man]] 03:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::If you do adjust the block, and consensus seems to be against the idea, please do not re-enable e-mails. I don't appreciate e-mails of the type I was sent last night, I don't need to hear how disgusted VK is with me or any of his other opinions on me. There is always the unblock mailing list, or arbcom to e-mail. E-mailing other Wikipedians has already been abused. [[User talk:Chillum|<small><sup><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.2em 0.3em; class=texhtml; color:#C53F17">'''Chillum'''</span></sup></small>]] 15:40, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==Sacked yet?== |
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:::Have we had a chance to look at this infamous email yet or do we have to just take you word on it that it was as bad as you have been making out? --[[User:LiamE|LiamE]] ([[User talk:LiamE|talk]]) 15:45, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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I'm assuming going on "boychat" must be a sackable offence? <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 16:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*Chillum, you have email enabled so you can receive emails - was the email abusive or was it not, perhaps you are "''confused''" - again? In fact, I think I will seek VK's permission to post it here, then we all may judge. <small><span style="border:1px solid Red;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Green;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giano '''</span>]]</span></small> 15:47, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:Well if I saw that on an employees web log I wouldnt be too impressed!--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 16:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*Wow, the choke hold is off! I would like to know why I was banned from my talkpage in the first place. If my talk page wasnt banned then no one would have received any emails - as it was my only outlet of communication at a time that editors were discussing my very "wiki-life" what was I supposed to do. |
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::On a completely unrelated matter, just to clarify....you watched that video yet? <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 16:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::I did - feckin rabble of repribates! Should at school the wee feckers!!! ;)--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 16:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::As the description shows, part of it was that they weren't being allowed to go to school! And anyway, your man in the link above doesn't mind starting them young ;) <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 16:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:Even though it was late and I was tired and should have been in my nest, I dont think I sent anything untoward, I may have expressed my disgust and disappointment the way some experienced appeared to be screwing the facts in what I considered a "witch hunt". I am happy for any editor to disclose the content of any email I sent last night to allow others deem if it was offending or not. --[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 16:02, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==The Troubles== |
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*SarekOfVulcan, asks if Elonka considered my comment a personal attack. Shouldnt the more pertaintant question be to Domer - i.e. if my interpretation of what he meant by "cop yourself on" was a more polite version of what I said.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 16:38, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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There's a stubborn IP POV pusher, and I'm at my limit. Care to oblige? <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 20:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC) |
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*I have little desire to continue explaining my actions here over and over. My removal of talk page access had nothing to do with the discussion at ANI, and pre-dated any serious discussion of a ban/indef block. I was simply trying to prevent VK from posting any more unblock requests during what was at that time only a 48 hour block. Next thing I know this is in my email inbox: |
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<blockquote>You obviously have never experienced bashing your head against a brick wall for months on end. I am hounded by British sympathising editors on every page I venture onto because of my support for physical forces Irish republicanism - what you Americans would now call "terrorism". |
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I never expect a fair shot so was not suprised by your decline - admins look at my block log and say "fuck me this guy is a monster" - however the vast majority of the blocks were bad blocks and most of the time an admin with enough balls to spot it unblocks me. |
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Its simple just come to an end now - I've had enough.</blockquote> |
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*and another: |
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<blockquote>its utterly contemptable and inflamatory to block someones talkpage - a talk page should not be blocked unless it is being used to abuse wikipedia, cause further breaches of policy or to out another editor. NONE OF THESE WERE BEING DONE!!! |
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YOU ARE SIMPLY TRYING TO PUSH ME INTO MAKING A REAL PERSONAL ATTACK ON YOU WHICH I AM ON THE VERGE OF! you are a disgrace!</blockquote> |
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==WP:IR== |
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:I'm not particularly offended or appalled by these, but they are not exactly helpful or logical either. VK seems to believe he is the target of some vast British Wikipedian conspiracy. I can only speak for myself of course, but I can assure you my actions were not based in any way on his nationality or political views. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 16:58, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::*you are not offended because there is nothing to be offended by - he is merely explaining to you how he feels. If he feels ganged up upon and victimised, can you really be surprised after the events of last night, when while all of Europe was fast asleep a group of mostly American acted as they did in a seemingly co-ordinated fashion and at such speed. <small><span style="border:1px solid Red;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Red;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giano '''</span>]]</span></small> 17:03, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Get real, the idea that this disruptive user feels ganged up on and victimized is a joke. [[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 17:07, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::::(ec) You need to stop beating that drum. Perhaps the closing of the discussion and imposing of a ban was a bit hasty, I must say I was surprised to see things progressing so quickly, but the idea that it was some deliberate "anti-European cabal conspiracy" has little to no merit. If anything it was VK who was doing the canvassing with all of his email activity. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 17:10, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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*I'm very much afraid you people should have considered your actions and words more carefully during the night - then things may not appear as they do. <small><span style="border:1px solid Red;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Red;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giano '''</span>]]</span></small> 17:18, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::::: "Perhaps the closing of the discussion and imposing of a ban was a bit hasty" - when you can say something like that I really just shake my head and wonder how you were ever allowed be an admin. Rlvese acted acted as judge, jury and executioner last night - and all down in the record time of an hour - whilst all of other had slept, they would have awoken to find me beheaded. I find it strange that until Alsion turned up this was unanimous to ban me - but since then it is even with regards bans and opposes. I find that very strange. Either there is a mailing list or there are a lot of lemmings - maybe both. I dont know, all I know if that I have had the shitty end of the stick here. You personally havent even taken one moment to consider this from my perspective and it shows.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 17:23, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Howdy Vk. It's your usage of foul language, that's getting ya into these block problems. Personally, I don't mind the colorful words, but it appears an increasing numbers of editors do. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 17:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:I know i have a potty mouth - it doesnt bother me to be honest its not turned on to insult people its just the way I talk. I supposes it could be a cultural thing.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 17:23, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::If the community chooses 'not' to ban you, I'd recommend no more foul words. Afterall, once the Wiki community tells an editor he/she is out? he/she is out. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 17:28, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Perhaps somebody could write a Javascript filter that would clean up your posts. Watch out for the [[seven dirty words]]. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 17:30, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I hear you GD, and thank you for all your support and advice in the past. It is genuinely much appriciated.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 17:33, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::::No prob, Vk. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 17:38, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::::PS: I've voted '''oppose''' on the Wiki ban proposal, as you haven't vandalized any articles. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 17:49, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Don't put that on people's talk pages please, it adds them to the article category. I'll whip up one that you can use for advertising later. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 09:08, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::My personal motto at Wikipedia is "go with the flow". Right, GoodDay?--[[User:Jeanne boleyn|Jeanne Boleyn]] ([[User talk:Jeanne boleyn|talk]]) 17:52, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:Right - sorry!--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 09:25, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::::PS, I also voted '''oppose'''.--[[User:Jeanne boleyn|Jeanne Boleyn]] ([[User talk:Jeanne boleyn|talk]]) 17:55, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::No problem, I noticed it the other day and had to edit a load of pages. Something like that would be handy though, I'll do it after the Cup Final. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 09:26, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::::::Yep. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 17:56, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::But we dont play Dunfirmline until next week!--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 09:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::The proper cup final :P <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 09:40, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::FFS we play summer football now and [[FAI Cup|that wont be for months!]].--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 09:42, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::::I'm not going to let you bait me! I'll also whip up some sort of welcome template for new members as well, I've seen other projects have something similar and we're sadly lacking one. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 09:46, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Howdy Vk. I decided to delete my 'vote' from your Ban case. I shall have to take a neutral stand on it. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 19:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==[[IRA Northern Command]]== |
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:I saw! I have to say that I am a little disspointed that you did that. Answer me this what made you change it? When in the last year have I vandalised a page or caused so much disruption that it woul dwarrant an indefinate ban?--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 10:28, 13 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::I had to revert to 'neutral', when I was reminded of your past sock-puppetry. Which (I'm glad) you haven't committed for over a year, since your last Banning case. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 14:31, 13 November 2009 (UTC) |
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I have to say that certain people have been trying to make a mountain out of a molehill over VK's emails. They frankly look like reasonable responses given his limitations on communication at the time. I have taken some time to look over some of the troubles articles and there does seem to be a systematic Britsh POV bias going on. No wow I will lay my cards on the table here... I am a Brit... but being from an Irish family I am probably more aware of and attuned to the issues at hand than most editors. Most editors seem to take the Britsh POV and are backed by what would seem to be a a number of admins all with either a British POV or American ones with a strong anti terrorism POV. Take the "British Isles" as an example. Geographically and geologically speaking the term seems fine to me - simply meaning the group of Islands the biggest of which happens to be called Great Britain. That is pretty standard terminology for any group of Islands to be refered to by the biggest. Now the term is also used in political and economic sense where its use is not so clear cut and can have overtones that are not welcome that most British editors are simply unaware of, and the term is used in this way, which can be considered an inflamatory way, throughout wikipedia. There are alternatives to the British Isles which can and should be used outside of purely geographic or geological articles yet the weight of editors on the British side surpresses this. It is no wonder to me that editors who try and redress this balance problem feel like they are beating their head against a wall sometimes because frankly they are, though I would say it is not a wall of anti Irish sentiment but one of ignorance to the issue. --[[User:LiamE|LiamE]] ([[User talk:LiamE|talk]]) 03:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC) |
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I've changed my mind (yet again). I'm once again, opposing the indef-ban, as I've no evidence of sock-puppetry (since the last Banning case). [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 15:37, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Happy now? <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 14:57, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:You know what, I was gonna do that today - honest ;)! I'll do the Southern for ya!--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 14:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::I'll tart it up more after the second half, if I don't fall asleep.... <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 15:00, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== Official statement requested == |
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== You're being talked about ... == |
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Jehochman has asked for you to write up and post an official statement to be contributed to the ANI discussion before it's closed. Can you create one here and indicate when you are done editing and want it copied over? Thank you. [[User:Georgewilliamherbert|Georgewilliamherbert]] ([[User talk:Georgewilliamherbert|talk]]) 18:33, 12 November 2009 (UTC) |
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.. on [[WP:ANI]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attack_User:Vintagekits here]. It seems [[User:Kittybrewster]] has made a complaint about your behaviour but has not seen fit to notify you. Notifying :) - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#558; font-family: comic sans ms; font-variant: small-caps">'''A<font color= "#7070a0">l<font color= "#9090c0">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] [[User talk:Alison|☺]] 16:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:George, I wasnt on line much yesterday and will be away from my computer for most of today as well as I have family visiting. That issues would you like me to address.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 09:52, 13 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Vintagekits, my advice is to request a full and thorough Arbcom case, so much has happened in your career here that is does need cold and calculated scrutiny - a laying bear of facts if you like. Then a few people can assess if you are of any value to the project rather than a braying bob. The strange behaviour of some very important Wikipedians yesterday in the threads concerning you has convinced me, you need to be examined only by the Arbcom. It will be unplesant for you - you have many wiki-faults, but are not alone in that - as I see it you are standing on the trapdoor with a noose around your neck, and the mob have their hands on the lever - the lever needs to he in the hands of a responsible few. That's my advice take it or leave it. <small><span style="border:1px solid Black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giano '''</span>]]</span></small> 10:47, 13 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:I think the issues which I would hope you would address are the comments and issues raised in the [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Block Vintagekits indefinitely]] thread. A number of editors have commented, there and in the various alternatives which flowed out of that in the major heading. |
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:VK is on ANI most days, there's not normally much need to tell him ;) <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 17:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:Any specific ideas, comments, opinions that were raised there and statements you'd like to make. Someone's going to have to make a determination and close the various proposed community actions threads, and it's only fair if you have a chance to be heard and respond to the issues. |
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:I see Giano's comment above requesting an Arbcom case. That's probably premature at the moment - nobody has closed the community remedies threads, so for right now you're just indef blocked, not banned or otherwise restricted. I recommend that the community discussion be allowed to come to an end and then if you disagree then appeal any decision to Arbcom. That's purely procedural - I think Arbcom will want to wait until the community decides, so it wouldn't make sense to appeal to them before. Once there is a community decision of some sort then you should feel free to file an Arbcom appeal or ask for a case to be opened. |
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:If waiting 24 more hours while you have family over and are unavailable to comment here will help, I will post a request to the thread asking for no admins to close during that period, until you have a chance to respond. I believe there's no harm done to anyone by a decent wait - a week would be hard to justify, but another day (or even two) won't hurt the community or you in any way. |
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:[[User:Georgewilliamherbert|Georgewilliamherbert]] ([[User talk:Georgewilliamherbert|talk]]) 02:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::George, if you could that would be great. There is a [[Ireland vs. France 2010 FIFA World Cup Play-Off|big game tonight]] and they will want to be brought out for that as well. I hope to put an hour aside tomorrow to get my thoughts down. Thanks. |
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Yep agree a full and thorough Arbcom case. To cut out the BS insist on Diff's for any and every accusation. --<span style="font-family:Celtic">[[User:Domer48|<span style="color:#009900"><strong>Domer48</strong></span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:Domer48|<span style="color:#006600">'fenian'</span>]]''</sub></span> 10:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==Lift the block== |
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Given the nature of the block and my suspicion, based on personal experience, that this is a ''tactic'' in a banning process I believe the ban should be lifted ''before'' any further proceedings. Here we have a trial in progress while the accused has already been locked away without bail - all the better to provoke him. Not the circumstances for a fair assessment of the many issues at play here. It's not as if Vk can abscond while out on bail. I think my proposal here will tease out the ''real agenda'' of the block and ban lobby. [[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] ([[User talk:Sarah777|talk]]) 12:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barry_McGuigan&diff=130417303&oldid=128429118 Turncoat eh?] <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 19:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::No, any debate about lifting the block will split any arguement in process and confuse things further, let one decision be made at a time. If he can't be mentored, and he can't have an Arbcom case then there is no point unblocking at any time. VK can post here and a hundred helpers can post where he wants things. <small><span style="border:1px solid Black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giano '''</span>]]</span></small> 12:36, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:*I removed the turncoat reference. Barry aywite in ma book, even if for the good night he gave my ould fella in [[Loftus Road]].--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 19:26, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::*I didn't know Barry swung that way :/ <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 19:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::*Lol!!--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 19:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Well, I didn't ask for any "debate". I asked for the bad block to be lifted, given it's nature and context. I am still asking for the block to be lifted, first. [[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] ([[User talk:Sarah777|talk]]) 13:13, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==Prison Ships== |
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::::That's my advice, take it or leave it. <small><span style="border:1px solid Black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giano '''</span>]]</span></small> 13:18, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Can you advise, or preferably comment at the project talkpage? A combat where none should exist is being generated. I've reverted his/her edits once already, a discussion is being refused on the edits being made. [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Irish Republicanism#Prison Ships]] [[User:Fluffy999|Fluffy999]] 00:19, 20 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:Ships are apparently "top" priority VK, I'm still laughing now..... <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 00:21, 20 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== Mentorship == |
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Would you be willing to have me, and likely some others (which will need to include people you don't care for - so to be acceptable for those who do not appreciate the effort being expended to keep you editing this project), as mentor(s)? This would run concurrent to Jehochman's suggested limiting you to sport/boxing topics and ban from Ireland/Troubles related areas. I am asking the community the same thing at ANI, and will only accept supping from the poisoned chalice if there are two positive responses. [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] ([[User talk:LessHeard vanU|talk]]) 00:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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{{Wikipedia:WikiProject_Irish_Republicanism/Template:WPIR}} |
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:There doesn't seem to be much likelihood of the community accepting you being mentored, so there is little point in you agreeing/committing. Perhaps the ArbCom option above is the only venue left to determine if there is a way for you to continue to contribute. [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] ([[User talk:LessHeard vanU|talk]]) 11:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::I agree, but suggest leaving the mentoring option just a little longer - people do change their minds - occasionaly. <small><span style="border:1px solid Black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giano '''</span>]]</span></small> 11:35, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:The Mentorship option is acceptable. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 15:55, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::I would offer mentorship as part of any Arbitration decision, should a Request get to such a stage, in any event. I regret that those opposing mentorship currently appear to be too numerous for anything but a complete about face to bring about a consensus for it. I think 36 hours from my initial offer should be sufficient time to establish the communities position on it, so there is a little time yet. [[User:LessHeard vanU|LessHeard vanU]] ([[User talk:LessHeard vanU|talk]]) 17:24, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Just type <nowiki>{{Wikipedia:WikiProject_Irish_Republicanism/Template:WPIR}}</nowiki> to put it on an editor's talk page. Any suggestions for improvements welcome naturally. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 13:59, 20 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:Top class! I'll spam it everywhere! ;)--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 15:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::I'll take a look later. Media player stopped playing sounds for some reason, even though everything else still played sounds. So I decided to install a legal version of Windows, and accidentally selected a wrong installation option so I'm busy recovering most of my hard drive including bookmarks grrr! I can't even get the keyboard working like a normal keyboard either, I just wasted five minutes trying to find the tilde then realised I could click on the button above :( -- <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 17:32, 20 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::All gone pear shaped. Any Irish rebel music gratefully received :( <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#009">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|303]]''</sub></font> 18:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::Why not nab - THe Patriot Game?--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 18:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== Completely unconnected question == |
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==Sean O'Callaghan== |
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I removed the reference to [[Tiede Herrema|Dr. Tiede Herrema]] from the article, he was kidnapped in the 70s.--[[User:Padraig3uk|padraig3uk]] 20:55, 20 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Is Manny Pacquiao's fight on Miguel Cotto British TV tonight, if so when ? I can't find it anywhere and the dog has eaten today's newspaper? someone watching this page is bound to know. <small><span style="border:1px solid Black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giano '''</span>]]</span></small> 22:20, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==User page== |
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: [http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12183_5684216,00.html Sky Sports 1.] [[User:Rockpocket|<span style="color:green">Rockpock</span>]]<span style="color:black">e</span>[[User_talk:Rockpocket|<span style="color:green">t</span>]] 22:22, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::Than you Rockpocket, but I on a computer wired not to let me look at anything pleasurable (probably why it permits Wikipedia) could you have a quick look for me, I think I have a few hours yet. <small><span style="border:1px solid Black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giano '''</span>]]</span></small> 22:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::: Oh. Its being shown live at 2am on [[Sky Sports 1]]: |
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:'' Live Big Fight Special in HD. Manny Pacquiao v Miguel Angel Cotto. All the action from the bout at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, as Pacquiao steps up a division to challenge for Cotto's WBO Welterweight title. Pacquiao's last fight was the second-round knockout of Ricky Hatton in a light-welterweight contest in May, and he can further add to his reputation as arguably the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world should he take the belt from Cotto.'' |
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::: As far as I can tell, it is not being shown on any free-to-air channel. So it depends whether Giano's household subsidizes Mr Murdoch or not ;) [[User:Rockpocket|<span style="color:green">Rockpock</span>]]<span style="color:black">e</span>[[User_talk:Rockpocket|<span style="color:green">t</span>]] 22:51, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Well actually we do, purely for the children's educational purposes you understand. In fact, it's purely for the children's educational purposes that I fiddled with the parental controls of this computer and now can't reverse them, this is the problem with passwords when you seldom spell the same word twice two days running. Thank you for that. <small><span style="border:1px solid Black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giano '''</span>]]</span></small> 23:02, 14 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==Block and associated discussion== |
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Keep an eye on it please, I'm off away for a couple of days and I don't want many repeats of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AOne_Night_In_Hackney&diff=132397603&oldid=132377200 this] and my request for temporary protection was declined. Ta. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 09:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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I have closed the discussion at the [[WP:ANI|incident noticeboard]] regarding your block. At this time, there is a strong, albeit not unanimous, consensus that the block is to remain. You may, as normal, request that the [[WP:ARBCOM|arbitration committee]] review the matter. As I stated in my closing rationale, if you post a request for arbitration on this page, I will move it to [[WP:RFAR|requests for arbitration]] for you. |
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Whatever the outcome here is, I urge you to strongly consider why things have come to this point. I hope that you will do so. [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Seraphimblade|Talk to me]]</sup></small> 03:18, 15 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==Bruises== |
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:Came on to post a response now. Is it too late.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 16:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::It aint too late. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 16:48, 15 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Well it looks like [[User:Seraphimblade|Seraphimblade]] has now closed the discussion.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 16:53, 15 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Yep, it's closed. But ya got the option of requesting a review by [[WP:RFAR]], per Sera's above instructions. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 16:59, 15 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Take a peek at [[User talk:Rockpocket#Long discussion|here]], another option. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 18:24, 15 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Yeah perhaps, but how big is the dent in your forehead from all that bashing, before you get a result! - Is it worth it? [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 17:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:PS: The RFAR route, is much less risky (of course). [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 18:54, 15 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:For example [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKittybrewster&diff=132482208&oldid=132479507] Is this an encyclopedia or a mad house. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 17:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::VK, I strongly advise you to take this whole matter to Arbitration. I repeat, your value and worth to the project needs to be formally and quietly assessed by the Arbs. If you are concerned, and I think you should be, RLevse can be asked to recuse, banning you in an hour while Europe slept was totally wrong and biased all further debate on ANI. I am unsure if you should remain or not, but I truly beleive what I said here in the now famously oversighted edit [https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=325449650] <small>(outing indeed - no one was fooled by that excuse)</small>. You need and deserve a fair rational hearing, and that is probably the only way you will get one. <small><span style="border:1px solid Black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giano '''</span>]]</span></small> 11:01, 16 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::I know, there are a core of about five editors that all back each other up no matter what the argument or the facts, and they have abused the AfD and editing system for many months now - they is zero objectivity but I am not sure that there is anything that can be done about it.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 17:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Oh yes, because we question the notability of [[Dundarave Castle|architectural gems]] and [[Hereditary Peerage Association|leading pressure groups]]. --[[User:Counter-revolutionary|Counter-revolutionary]] 17:55, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::You comment says it all!!--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 18:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== Pacman, WBO welterweight champion == |
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==User:84.68.67.13== |
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Is in breach of [[WP:3RR]] if that was one of us we would be reported, I put a message on his user talk page, hopefully he will stop now.--[[User:Padraig3uk|padraig3uk]] 20:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Pacman TKO's Cotto in 12th rd. I was close, eh? [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 15:53, 15 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::Aint got time pal - sure you'll have to learn sometime anyway! ;) --[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 20:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== The Third Road == |
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==Blocked== |
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Hi Vintagekits, the two paths laid before you are both [[wikt:shithouse#Adjective|shithouse]] because both of those paths mean more unhappy work for me. |
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I have blocked you for 48 hours under the [[WP:NPA|no personal attacks]] policy for [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/George_Bingham_Arbuthnot&diff=132789515&oldid=132784103 this]. You really ought to know better by now, having been blocked three times previously for personal attacks, at least twice involving the same target. If you can't behave appropriately towards [[User:Kittybrewster]] and his cohorts, you're going to end up with a long term block. | [[User:MrDarcy|Mr. Darcy]] <small>[[User talk:MrDarcy|talk]]</small> 02:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::*This block is outrageous, that an editor can add God knows how many pages of uncited rubbish drivel and trivia to Wikipedia, refuse to acknowledge flaws in facts until they are almost rammed down his throat is ridiculous. Where were you when Kittybrewster and his friends were inferring Vintagekits was a member of terrorist organizations etc? I think you should apologise to Vintagekits and unblock immediately. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 06:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Come over to [[Wikisource]] for a while! Bring all your friends!! ;-) |
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It seems that I have been blocked for [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/George_Bingham_Arbuthnot&diff=132789515&oldid=132784103 this edit]. And that this "More Arbuthnot lies" seems to be the this portion that is being focused on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attack_User:Vintagekits here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrDarcy#Vintagekits_block here]. For the record I was not calling a personal editor a liar. I was stating that the information in this source " Mrs P S-M Arbuthnot “Memories of the Arbuthnots” (1920). George Allen & Unwin Ltd." was lies. |
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Wikisource ''needs'' someone with your passion. [[s:Wikisource:Sports]] doesn't mention boxing. Someone needs to create [[s:Wikisource:Boxing]] We have a few poor quality works in [[s:Category:Boxing]]. |
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*Reason to unblock - It seems that I have been blocked for [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/George_Bingham_Arbuthnot&diff=132789515&oldid=132784103 this edit]. And that this "More Arbuthnot lies" seems to be the this portion that is being focused on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attack_User:Vintagekits here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrDarcy#Vintagekits_block here]. For the record I was not calling a personal editor a liar. I was stating that the information in this source " Mrs P S-M Arbuthnot “Memories of the Arbuthnots” (1920). George Allen & Unwin Ltd." was lies. |
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As an example, I have set up [[s:Index:Pugilistica - 1906 - Volume 1.djvu]] and [[s:Index:Pugilistica - 1906 - Volume 2.djvu]], where you can clean up and improve existing biographies written long ago. e.g. [[s:Page:Pugilistica - 1906 - Volume 1.djvu/81|Thomas Smallwood]]. Simply log in, click edit, and fix the [[Optical character recognition|OCR]] errors. The Wikisource community will help you with the syntax voodoo; you'll get the hang of things pretty quickly. |
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:My comment was made of the AfD of the [[George Bingham Arbuthnot]] article. The only source that is in that article and its information (or misinformation) has again been proven to be incorrect or misleading. This not the first time yesterday that the information from this source was proven to be incorrect, infact another article which is up for AfD, namely [[Alexander Arbuthnot (bishop)]], the same source stated that he and others in the family had their seat at [[Rockfleet Castle]] - this was also proven incorrect by [[User:Giano II]]. So for the record I am not personally attacking any editor, I am infact attacking the lies (although I probably should have said misinformation as I did later in that edit) that is held within what is after coming underscrutiny an unreliable source (and source that on many occasions is the sole source in an article).--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 10:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::'''Further comment''', The admin that has blocked me here is Mr. Darcy, he seems to have a particular harse attitude towards me and infact he has blocked me before for what he said was taunting - infact it was a formatting issue and was overturned as can be seen [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vintagekits/Archive_3#Unblock_request here] and more can be seen [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vintagekits/Archive_3#Federal_Commonwealth_Society here] for the type of approach and abusive language that Mr. Darcy uses when dealing with me.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 10:19, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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I'll be happy to set up projects for any old book that interests you; any topic, any language. I'd rather spend my time helping you settle into Wikisource rather than spend that same time in arbitration or investigating socks. |
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I have unblocked. The blocking itself should be warning enough to [[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] to mind our policies (if reminder be needed). |
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After a few months, you can then appeal your Wikipedia ban either to Arbcom or to the community. |
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There are widespread concerns about the Arbuthnot articles, given the paucity of verifiable information in them. I would not call them "lies" but they have a strong smell of unfiltered family history. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 10:24, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:John Vandenberg|John Vandenberg]] <sup>'''([[User talk:John Vandenberg|chat]])'''</sup></span> 13:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:Please do come over. We are very friendly and only bite if you ask us very nicely. ;-) Gotta to be beat all that poetry stuff that some love! We need more sport, things of real consequence. More than happy to show you the ropes, and it is great for building up resources and links to be used here. [[User:Billinghurst|billinghurst]] ([[User talk:Billinghurst|talk]]) 11:09, 17 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:I have just seen the comment immediately above. I trust that you need no reminder to, inter alia, remain civil and avoid comments that can be perceived as personal attacks. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 10:27, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::Fair enough, I should have said misinformation not lies - I am sure its not deliberate lies just a case over these people being viewed through "Arbuthnot tinted glass" so to speak. In any case, thank you for removing the block.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 10:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::[[User:ALoan|ALoan]], I still dont seem to be able to edit. --[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 10:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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==Troubles Arbitration Case: Amendment for discretionary sanctions== |
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===Autoblocks=== |
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I've removed two autoblocks, but for some reason they still seem to hang around. I suppose that's either database lag, or else they're being recreated because you keep trying to edit. I'll try again. Please ''don't'' attempt to edit until I give the ok. (However, do reply here on this page, to show that you're hearing me.) [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 11:14, 23 May 2007 (UTC). |
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:It's looking OK now, I guess it was lag. Please try to edit and let me know how it goes. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 11:17, 23 May 2007 (UTC). |
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::Thanks.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 12:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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As a party in ''[[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/The Troubles|The Troubles]]'' arbitration case I am notifying you that an amendment request has been posted '''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Amendment#Amendment_1:_New_remedy:_Discretionary_Sanctions|here]]'''. |
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:Oh, sorry - forgot the fscking autoblocks. You would think that a button that says "unblock" would actually do that... -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 12:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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''For the Arbitration Committee'' |
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==Re-blocked== |
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'''[[User:Seddon|Seddon]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Seddon|talk]]</sup>|<sup>[[wmuk:Main_Page|WikimediaUK]]</sup> 16:42, 17 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Sorry, Vintagekits, but I have re-blocked you, as the unblock seems to have been based on the erroneous assumption that I was unavailable for discussion. (You should see the discussion about your actions [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Personal_attack_User:Vintagekits|here]].) I've restored the 48-hour block. It doesn't matter what you think of Kittybrewster's edits; you can not continue to talk to other editors in that manner. | [[User:MrDarcy|Mr. Darcy]] <small>[[User talk:MrDarcy|talk]]</small> 13:00, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:Nonesense - the reason for the unblock is clear - "10:22, 23 May 2007 ALoan (Talk | contribs) unblocked Vintagekits (contribs) ((a) what kind of "personal attack" is that? (b) perhaps a warning first?) " - not because you were away but buts it was an incorrect block and totally without justification - which seems to be the consensus in every discussion about this!--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 13:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::The reason for the block is clear: You have a long history of incivility and personal attacks towards other users, specifically Kittybrewster and Astrotrain. I have no idea why you continue to behave the way you do when multiple admins and editors have indicated to you that it's inappropriate. Incidentally, I really enjoy your claim that I'm biased against you - you were more than happy to stick up for me when I blocked Kittybrewster back in March for using nasty language towards you. | [[User:MrDarcy|Mr. Darcy]] <small>[[User talk:MrDarcy|talk]]</small> 13:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::You are totally bang out of order and I hope you get stripped of your admin powers for your persistant abuse. The last time you blocked me you were wrong and I was unblocked and this time you are again wrong. Like I said I was not calling the editor Kittybrewster a liar I was saying the source that was being used in the article we were discussing was lies - and it was proven to be incorrect. You dont seem to be able to make the distrinction between the source and the editor. Please show me exactly were I attacked the editor Kittybrewster. You are a disgrace!--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 13:12, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::I'm going to unblock you. I must caution you that while it's apparent now that you were commenting on the veracity of the source and not the user, that was not obvious at the time, and since they're one in the same calling the source a liar is effectively the same thing and unnecessary–if the source is incorrect, say so. I urge you to consider an RfC on the Arbuthnot issue, and possibly the IRA as well. Best, [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 13:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::If there was an ambiguity he should have asked me what I meant and not blocked me! As for the "Arbuthnot issue" - I dont have a problem with Arbuthnot's per se - I have a problem with notability anyway I am happy to engage in any discussion. --[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 13:38, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== VK is blocked indefinitely, not retired == |
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Whatever the outcome of these blocks and unblocks, I strongly urge you to change your behavior regarding [[user:Kittybrewster]]. The simplest and best solution would be for you both to disengage from each other, in your case by avoiding dealing with any Arbuthnot-related issues. Those issues are being addressed by other editors so your participation is not required. If you feel you must participate I urge you to avoid making any comments about [[user:Kittybrewster]], and to keep any comments about William Arbuthnot as neutral as possible. You have been blocked for personal attacks several times before and future blocks may be substantially longer or even of indefinite duration. [[Special:Contributions/Will_Beback| ·:·]][[User:Will Beback|Will Beback]] [[User talk:Will Beback|·:·]] 22:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Why is the tagging of his user page with [[:template:indefblocked|{indefblocked}]] even up for debate? Why are certain people so absolutely desparate to make themselves look like tag teaming edit warriors that are utterly blind to reality? Considering there are already descriptions of this nature of these exact editors before arbcom right now, you would think they might take the hint and actually stop acting like tag teaming edit warriors. It is precisely this sort of lack of [[WP:CLUE|clue]] about reality that got VK indeffed in the first place. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:I agree - there are plenty of other useful things to be done, and rubbing each other up the wrong way just gets in the way. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 22:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:If the blocking admin did not put the tag up, other editors should not. It is unnecessary [[WP:BEAR|bear poking]]. This user has contributed a lot of content to Wikipedia; he may be blocked indefinitely but we have not shut the door behind them, and adding a tag that queues their userpage for deletion like we do to mere vandals is insensitive at best. –[[user:xeno|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:black">'''xeno'''</span>]][[user talk:xeno|<span style="color:black"><sup>talk</sup></span>]] 19:05, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::All I will say is that a lot of this has been brought about Kitty himself 1. he choose to write countless stubs about non notable members of his family and he drew other editors attention to his own article through the abuse, vote stacking and canvassing on AfD the he either liked or dislike. Here is one that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Lady_Mabel_Fitzwilliam he liked] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Diarmuid_O%27Neill here is one he didnt] - now if you can tell me that they arnt abusing wiki then I will stop.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 22:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::This is the same kind of logic that allowed him to be 'retired' for the past 6 months when he wasn't, allowing him to flip off the countless people who rightly pointed that fact out, hilariously, even Giano. VK's feelings are paramount I guess, plain common sense and consideration for other users has no place here, as usual. If the template serves no purpose, then delete it. How it is in anyway usefull to Wikipedia as a whole to suggest to all visitors to this page that VK is not indef blocked, but has merely wandered off into the wilderness and could return at any time, is utterly beyond me. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:26, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::[[WP:STICK|Put the stick down]], it's not going to achieve anything. As you must have noticed by now, the Arbuthnots are being dealt with by a group of more experienced editors. All you are doing is carrying on the dispute, when there's no need for it. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 22:42, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::And not that it even matters, but Beeblebrox was the admin who originally revoked VK's talk page privelages on 12 November, and he was the one who then placed the indef blocked tag here one hour after VK was indef blocked the same day [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AVintagekits&action=historysubmit&diff=325376288&oldid=324924104], which Rlevse the final blocker has never seemingly objected to. It was only in the subsequent intervention hours later by you Xeno that suddenly this tag is apparently not appropriate. If none of you admins can agree as to how the template should be used, that's fine, but don't pretend like this convention of 'must be placed by the blocker' has any legitimacy at all. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:36, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Yes, this issue perhaps needs to be clarified at the appropriate venue to try and get folks on the same page. –[[user:xeno|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:black">'''xeno'''</span>]][[user talk:xeno|<span style="color:black"><sup>talk</sup></span>]] 19:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==HPA== |
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*I think that question is irrelevant. Wikipedia does not require a register of members' interests and allows for anonymity. --[[User:Counter-revolutionary|Counter-revolutionary]] 14:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:Its not really irrelevant. I am not asking for your name or anything it is a COI issue that I am interested.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 14:23, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:It's just VK's best buddies trying to be as disruptive as him, I bet that within a few months they will all be going down the same line as he is. Being sensitive to VK is a laugh, since when was he ever sensitive? <span style="font-family:Papyrus">[[User:Jeni|<span style="color:deeppink">Jeni</span>]]</span> <sup>([[User talk:Jeni|<span style="color:deeppink">talk</span>]])</sup> 19:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==Boxers== |
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::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Vintagekits&diff=325444792&oldid=325444506] I am not VK's best buddy; in fact I barely know him. However, I do not think treating a long-time contributor like a garden-variety troll or vandal is appropriate - no matter who that contributor may be. Adding the "indef blocked" template serves no constructive purpose and if the blocking admin wanted it there, they would have added it themself. –[[user:xeno|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:black">'''xeno'''</span>]][[user talk:xeno|<span style="color:black"><sup>talk</sup></span>]] 19:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Have you ever written an article about someone who couldn't "compete at divisions either side"? ;) <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 17:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::*jeni, it is just that sort of negative and uninformed comment that has caused most of the problems which surround VK and irritated him so. If you read some of the diffs surrounding this case, you will know that far from being one of VK's best buddies, I am merely one of many that want to see things brought to a satisfactory and happy conclusion for all. This may be a happy conclusion for you, but it is not happy or even satifactory for many others. I am not re-hashing the debate that has been had, but if you think this will be the conclusion and the end of Vintagekits then you are indeed uninformed. <small><span style="border:1px solid Blue;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giano '''</span>]]</span></small> 19:22, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:Its my catch all - because as soon as you say somenone was a Middleweight some smart arse points out that he started as a Welterweight and finished up as a fat bloater of a Light heavyweight! ;)--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 17:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::* Xeno is right. Regardless of the correctness of the indef block (I am in two minds about it myself), dancing on someone's grave is looked on dimly both IRL ''and'' on Wikipedia. Stop it, please. <b>[[User talk:Black Kite|<span style="color:black">Black Kite</span>]]</b> 19:26, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::* Ditto. I was just about to say the same thing. Grave dancing is not welcomed. Our goal is to help contributors, not push them over the edge and celebrate when they fail. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 19:28, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::*I'm guessing none of you then give a monkeys about the people who are utterly confused when they arrive here and are greeted with the impression VK has just wandered off, or were similarly concerned about the treatment of the dozens of people who were greeted with such sensitity here when they arrived because of one or other of VK's edits to find a 'retired' editor was more than active, and duly commented as such. None of these people seem to be in your considerations at all. This is supposed to be a community, where basic things like notifications of status have a pretty obvious and logical purpose. Pandering to the sensitivites of people blocked after one of the largest shows of community displeasure I have ever seen for an established contributor, is utterly secondary to plain and simple common sense tbh. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:42, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::::*The first thing I do to check an editors activity level is look at their contributions page. And the first thing you are presented with at [[Special:Contributions/Vintagekits]] is the fact that they are indefinitely blocked. –[[user:xeno|<span style="font-family:verdana; color:black">'''xeno'''</span>]][[user talk:xeno|<span style="color:black"><sup>talk</sup></span>]] 19:53, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::*I'm guessing that's what most experienced editors do (although its a bit of a fiddle to do even for experienced users for the likes of Giano with his multiple redirected user pages), but Wikipedia is not made up of just experienced users as you well know. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 20:10, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:Let the administrators decide. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 19:44, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::Which ones? The ones who placed the tag, or the ones who removed it? [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 19:49, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::If necessary, contact the [[User: Jimbo Wales|administrator-in-chief]]. If one wishs Vk exiled, one shouldn't be risking a block, over Vk's userpage. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 19:54, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::Considering Jimbo once said that if he weren't American, he would have loved to be born British, I think that's an <s>excellent</s> crazy suggestion. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 20:10, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Oh, for crying out loud, somebody who cares should just ask Beeblebrox if he wants [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AVintagekits&action=historysubmit&diff=325376288&oldid=324924104 his original placement of the tag] restored or not. And regardless of the response, move along afterwards. — [[User:Andrwsc|Andrwsc]] ([[User talk:Andrwsc|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Andrwsc|contribs]]) 19:57, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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The next person who edit wars over the tag earns themselves an indefinite block of their own, and I will press for a formal ban. In the face of any objection, we should err on the side of decency, compassion, and polite behavior, and ''not'' screw around with the user and usertalk space associated with others.--[[User:Tznkai|Tznkai]] ([[User talk:Tznkai|talk]]) 20:06, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::Have you any info on [[John McQuade]] apparently he was also a professional boxer under the name Jack Higgins, but I don't much know else about his boxing career.--[[User:Padraig3uk|padraig3uk]] 17:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:An indef block or ban, is a little heavy. A 1-hour block would likely do the trick, IMHO. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 20:07, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::[http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=349450 doubtful]--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 17:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:For crying out loud, it is just a silly little tag. Just let it be people. The presence or lack of tag doesn't do anything to change the status quo. |
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==Getting there== |
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:Why so many want to edit war over a tag is beyond me, but to suggest edit warring should result in an indefinite block and formal ban is beyond ridiculous. It isn't even remotely that important. There are a thousand ways people could better spend their time 1) arguing over the tag and 2) worrying what other people think about it. --[[User:ThaddeusB|ThaddeusB]] ([[User talk:ThaddeusB|talk]]) 20:17, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::Actually, Thaddeus, it's not just a tag -- it's a tag that says "Hey, everybody, come delete me!"--[[User:SarekOfVulcan|SarekOfVulcan]] ([[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|talk]]) 20:22, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::: And frankly, anyone who even thinks about deleting it will get a [[WP:WHEEL|trout]] followed by an [[WP:BLOCK|even bigger trout]]. Just ... don't. <b>[[User talk:Black Kite|<span style="color:black">Black Kite</span>]]</b> 20:25, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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''"All we are saying.... is give peace a chance"''. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 20:23, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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The best solution I've found in these situations is often to delete the userpage altogether. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 21:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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[[Talk:Real Irish Republican Army#GA on hold|All done apart from the images which are difficult]], so the project should have its first [[WP:GA|good article]] soon. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 17:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:I would rather it stayed as is, if reality and common sense isn't going to win the day. The sooner that uninformed readers learn about the various idiosyncrasies of Wikipedia, like the running joke non-status of tags, the better for them. Coming here and finding a red-link won't help them on this learning path one bit. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 21:14, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==Nomination== |
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:Plus deletion removes some of the evidence from those users seeking answers to the question as to why VK is blocked indefinitely from editing the site (presuming that is that they get that far in their knowledge quest, and have passed the first hurdle in knowing not to trust any tag they see on a random users page and to instead delve behind the scenes, WP:CSI style) [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 21:20, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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My reasoning for threatening an indefinite block are simple. This kind of edit warring is disruptive, and is all about [[WP:POINT|making silly points]] [[WP:BATTLE|in a conflict that has nothing to do with improving an encyclopedia]]. Quite frankly, its often grave-dancing behavior, which should be strictly discouraged. I have no tolerance for such displays, and neither should any of you.--[[User:Tznkai|Tznkai]] ([[User talk:Tznkai|talk]]) 21:31, 18 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Ah I knew about that. I was planning to post about that later. I don't need it now anyway and it's all safely saved off-Wiki as well so I can just produce the evidence at will whenever it's needed. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 17:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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==Why is this editor's talk page being vandalized?== |
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==No Problem== |
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An indefinite block is not a ban. If Vk chooses to retire that's their decision. Their block was unseemly enough and pushed by the worst kind of partisans, but now to have this abusive antagonistic and disruptive display is outrageous. Anyone who alters this editor's talk page from <s>their</s> Vintagekits' desired state should be indefinitely blocked. Simple as that. This kind of bullying is unacceptable and makes clear the kind of abuse this editor was suffering. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 00:10, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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You have reason to feel hard done by, and I've been keeping a bit of an eye out for the situation. I just offered ONiH a bit of unsolicited advice (worth every bit you pay for it, of course) that another clash with Kitty's Kin is not in your best interest, and it might be best to ask an AN/ANI admin to keep an eye on the MfD.. the more eyes that see their behavior, the better chance you have of getting the result you want. [[User:SirFozzie|SirFozzie]] 23:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:Just one question, why are some of ya describing Vk as ''they''? Vk is a ''him''. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 00:28, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:: See [[Singular they]]. [[User:Rockpocket|<span style="color:green">Rockpock</span>]]<span style="color:black">e</span>[[User_talk:Rockpocket|<span style="color:green">t</span>]] 01:15, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Phew, I thought ya'll were describing Vk as having 'multiple personalities'. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 16:46, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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== Not appropriate. == |
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==[[Welsh Guards]]== |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Welsh_Guards&diff=88081613&oldid=79523622]. |
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This back and forth bickering is not appropriate on a banned users talk page. The hint should have been taken when the user page was protected. If it continues I will protect this page and take a trout to those who led me to do so. Take it to ANI(or even better just drop it), arguing here is nothing more than a drama magnet. [[User talk:Chillum|<small><sup><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.2em 0.3em; class=texhtml; color:#C53F17">'''Chillum'''</span></sup></small>]] 02:47, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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At one stage I was adding the innocent victims of British Army action. However the general consensus would seem to be that victims are not notable but I personally do not have the stomach to remove memorials to dead British soldiers. [[User:Aatomic1|Aatomic1]] 00:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC) PS I do think that Stronge and Dennis Donaldson were shot; possibly even shot dead. [[User:Aatomic1|Aatomic1]] 00:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::Ah Chillum, you are in error; VK is not banned but blocked, a subtle difference I agree, but a nevertheless a difference. The problem is that all debate that lead to the blocking, before and after, is null and void. The reason for this is that the Arbitrator and those few that quickly arrived in the night and pushed the block through in an hour were in error by their unnecessary haste. Therefore all debate that followed was biased, poisoned and influenced by the fact that an Arbitator has already declared him guilty. This is the reason I want VK to take the matter to Arbcom (RLevse if he is still around, recused). Then, at least we will have a fair and impartial result, otherwise the bickering here is unlikely to cease. <small><span style="border:1px solid Blue;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giano '''</span>]]</span></small> 07:52, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Agreed. --<span style="font-family:Celtic">[[User:Domer48|<span style="color:#009900"><strong>Domer48</strong></span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:Domer48|<span style="color:#006600">'fenian'</span>]]''</sub></span> 10:42, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Come again? Are you saying that folk killed by the BA were ruled out by Wiki on the grounds of "non-notability" but that named BA members ''are'' regarded as notable? ([[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] 23:09, 26 May 2007 (UTC)) |
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:I've currently 'no clues' as to Vk's status. Is he retired, banned, indef-blocked, a victim of abduction, re-programed, etc? [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 16:50, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::He added the retired tag some months ago, and resumed editing with the tag in place. He is currently blocked indefinitely. Personally, at this point, unless the editor files a request for lifting the block with the ArbCom soon, I would favor turning the user page into a redirect to the talk page, and then full protecting the redirect. It would allow someone who really wanted to see the user page history to still do so, but it would take a bit of pointed effort to do so. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 17:01, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::Okie Dokie. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 17:13, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::::The talk page history is viewable. If this editor chooses to retire and to post something on their page accordingly that's within their discretion. The vandalism and campaign of attacks against this editor, who's already been blocked indefinitely, need to stop. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 17:24, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::Which edits were [[WP:Vandalism]]? — [[User:Andrwsc|Andrwsc]] ([[User talk:Andrwsc|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Andrwsc|contribs]]) 17:28, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::Have ''you'' read the history CoM? His (latest) 'retirement' was 3 months, 800 edits, 5 blocks and 30 edit wars ago. Giano is just playing his usual role, VK is indef blocked, defacto banned, and will remain so barring a miracle. Still, new arbcom, new direction and all that. [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 17:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::::::So let him go quietly as he chooses. There's no need to rub salt in his wounds or to stick unsightly templates on his usertalk page. It looks like a vendetta in a dispute that you and those siding with you already won. There's no policy restricting people from retiring or unretiring. Just leave him be as you would want to be treated had you been the one to receive such a harsh sanction. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 18:05, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::Why is this such a problem for you Mick? <small><span style="border:1px solid Blue;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giano '''</span>]]</span></small> 17:37, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::You can't get that from the numerous statements above? [[User:MickMacNee|MickMacNee]] ([[User talk:MickMacNee|talk]]) 17:59, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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::::Alright. New idea, everyone out, this is a dead horse argued on the page of a non-present editor, but if you insist on continuing to discuss it, do it on [[WP:ANI]] or I can sacrifice my own [[user talk:Tznkai|talk page]] to the task.--[[User:Tznkai|Tznkai]] ([[User talk:Tznkai|talk]]) 18:04, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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:::::I agree that it should be discussed elsewhere. Vintagekits' page should be restored to the state he put it until there is a consensus directing otherwise. The standard policy seems clear in favoring respect for other editors even when they've been sanctioned and to allow editors to retire and unretire at their discretion. This looks like a disruptive campaign of antagonism by partisans who aren't satisfied with the indefinite block they already won. [[User:ChildofMidnight|ChildofMidnight]] ([[User talk:ChildofMidnight|talk]]) 18:07, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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Trouts all around. Take a hint, this should be discussed in a neutral venue or not at all. VK is not participating in this discussion and that is the only reason to have a discussion here. I am protecting this page for 24 hours, hopefully by tomorrow more sense will be shown. [[User talk:Chillum|<small><sup><span style="text-shadow:grey 0.3em 0.2em 0.3em; class=texhtml; color:#C53F17">'''Chillum'''</span></sup></small>]] 19:45, 19 November 2009 (UTC) |
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==Easter Rising== |
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== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|AfD]] nomination of [[Edward O'Brien (Irish republican)]] == |
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What do you reckon to adding this to various articles? <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 15:40, 24 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:Tis kwalite, I say tis kwalite!--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 20:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::Well I can't take all the credit for it, as all I did was nick the hunger strike template and change it.... <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">;One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 20:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC) |
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[[Wikipedia:Administrators%27 noticeboard/Incidents#Kittybrewster|Interesting!]] <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 11:40, 25 May 2007 (UTC) |
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==RfD nomination of [[:'The Great White Hope'.]]== |
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[[Fraudley|Clicky clicky]]. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 20:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC) |
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I have nominated {{la|'The Great White Hope'.}} for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2009 December 31#'The Great White Hope'.|the discussion page]]. Thank you. — <span style="font-family:gill sans">[[User:The Man in Question|The Man in Question]]</span> [[User_talk:The Man in Question|<small>(in question)</small>]] 10:39, 31 December 2009 (UTC) |
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:Harsh but fair!--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 20:40, 25 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== Request for feedback == |
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==Willie and Danny== |
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Alright VK, Kattis from the HB here. Myself and the Da finally finished out wiki page and was wondering what the next step is re; feedback. Type this into the wiki search bar... |
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Well can you sort [[William Fleming %28Irish republican%29#Paramilitary activities|this section]] out then please? Look at the second paragraph, it says "at the time the pair were at the hospital". Then two paragraphs later you finally name the pair and have them arriving at the hospital. Try and put it in some sort of order that makes sense...the other paragraphs aren't great either. First you have Willie being knocked off the bike then being shot, then you start the next paragraph with Willie having just been knocked off. Ideally you want to have Willie being knocked off and the bike going out of control and Danny being thrown to the ground, then deal with what happened next to both of them. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 20:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Free State Intelligence Department - Oriel House |
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I'm not sure if the page is properly live yet as its not coming up when I google search it. Could you make the other members of the 'The Irish Republicanism WikiProject' group aware as I couldn't see a 'talk' tab to share this. |
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There is an even tempered discussion which will hopefully settle both your feelings on comments made by David Lauder to you here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:David_Lauder#Your_comments]. It would be nice if the negative commenting between you could stop. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 10:40, 26 May 2007 (UTC) |
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== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|Articles for deletion]] nomination of [[:The Lying Down Game]] == |
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What city is [[:Image:Hunger strikers memorial photo.jpg]] in please? <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 14:40, 26 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:So...about that photo? <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 20:51, 27 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::Ford's Cross, Silverbridge, Armagh. regards--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 12:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Reply on the talk page.....([[User:Sarah777|Sarah777]] 23:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC))\ |
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How about we kick start it [http://www.centiare.com/Boxing here] and avoid all those stupid ip addresses and vandals. [[User:Andman8|Andman8]] 23:19, 26 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:I'd prefer to keep it here to be honest.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 14:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.149.140.219] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.149.142.136] I would say this is the same editor trying to avoid 3RR.--[[User:Padraig3uk|padraig3uk]] 20:50, 27 May 2007 (UTC) |
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{{unblock reviewed | 1=time to unblock I think. The actually block was malicious in the first place but I think time has been served anyway. | decline=I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that |
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*the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, <u>or</u> |
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*the block is no longer necessary because you |
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*#understand what you have been blocked for, |
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*#will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and |
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*#will make useful contributions instead. |
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Please read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] for more information. In particular, you should see [[WP:NOTTHEM]] and would have to address the fact that stringent terms have already been attempted before ([[User talk:Vintagekits/terms]]). See also comments at the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=404433983#Vintagekits_seeks_unblock ANI discussion about this request]. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 11:02, 27 December 2010 (UTC)}} |
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== Help == |
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See discussion at [[WP:ANI#Vintagekits seeks unblock]]. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Sandstein|<span style="color:white;background:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Sandstein '''</span>]]</span></small> 17:05, 25 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:So far the few who have participated are unanimous in opposing an unblock. Doing this on Christmas is probably not going to win any sympathy. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 21:21, 25 December 2010 (UTC) |
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: Can I just point out for the record that VK is '''not''' currently socking, nor has he been - to my knowledge - since his indef block - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family: comic sans ms">'''A<span style="color:#FF7C0A">l<span style="color:#FFB550">is</span>o</span>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 23:23, 25 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::In that case, I've no probs with unblocking. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 18:18, 26 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::I note the SPI on [[User:MFIreland|MFIreland]] being suspected as a sock, has been closed per lack of 'diff's for evidence. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 18:24, 26 December 2010 (UTC) |
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You might be able to help me for a page I am writing [[User:Giano/Exploding Houses]] - I cannot remember the name of the country house in Ireland that was completely destroyed in an IRA? attack sometime in the 1970s, any idea what it was called? - "Drumsomething" rings bell but may be wrong - google is no help. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 09:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::If by mentioning socking you intend to imply that the [[WP:OFFER|standard offer]] applies, I wish you would just say so. The conversation at ANI is not about socking, and he was not blocked for socking. The SPI case did not find evidence of socking. Fine. I'm willing to believe that, it doesn't change my position one bit as I wasn't previously aware of it anyway. The offer is just a suggested course of action, it does not apply in every case. I am a big fan of it myself but I don't believe this is a situation where it should be invoked. Even if it was VK continues to blame others for his own blocking, showing no signs of intending to change his behavior. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 22:12, 26 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:Sorry, I dont know Giano - COunter-rev might be correct with his answer.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 12:51, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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VK, I recommend you admit responsibility for your own indef block. If you don't? well you see the trend at ANI. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 00:57, 27 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::Don't worry, any suggestions welcome though! I just want 2 or 3 important Irish houses one knocked down by its owner and another as a result of troubles and one anywhere that was bombed in eiither of world wars - only condition is that nothing has to remain today. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 12:57, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:And the few users who do support unblocking you have indicated a rather elaborate set of restrictions, including a topic ban from all articles related to Irish or British politics and all articles related to The Troubles, and supervision by a mentor that will not be chosen by you. In the interest of moving the conversation forward it seems appropriate to ask if you would even agree to such restrictions as a condition of being unblocked. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 03:08, 27 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::I have a very good book entitled ''The Lost Houses of Ireland'' - there are a lot of them, but I cannot see one destroyed in any way which commences with Drum... Also, as Eire was not a participant in [[World War II]] I think you may be hard-pressed to find a house which was bombed during that conflict. (Planes from the continent could not reach Ireland in [[The Great War]]). Regards, [[User:David Lauder|David Lauder]] 13:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::Indeed, stick with the Boxing articles. Leave the political stuff to others. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 03:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::No, the war-time bombed country house can be anywhere, so long as it was completely demolished - I might change the name of the Irish section to "houses at war" or something corny like that - I'm just trying out some ideas to liven the page up a little - it is finding something a little different to make the page more interesting and readable than what is written elsewhere on the subject. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 14:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Are you saying the house had to be bombed by terrorists then? As late as WWII? I've found another book here entitled ''In Ruins - The Once Great Houses of Ireland''. It's a tragedy looking through it. [[User:David Lauder|David Lauder]] 14:23, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::The British Army had nothing to do with it - if you cant be civil stay off this talk page! |
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:::::You are funny VK! I think it's Drumbanagher, David, by Playfair. It was just demolished. I know the first book to which you refer, but don't (yet) have a copy. --[[User:Counter-revolutionary|Counter-revolutionary]] 14:29, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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This editor need to be unblocked. his opponoents, who have behaved in far worse fashion, have been unblocked. What is the difference with VK? Please explain that to me. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giacomo '''</span>]]</span></small> 11:12, 27 December 2010 (UTC) |
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No, the page is about the destruction of country houses and loss of architecture,not politics the IRA or the British army or even Nazis. There will be a fair selection of all architectural types and all causes of destruction during the 20th century will be explored proportionatly. Most of them (I would guess 98%) were destroyed by their own owners. It would be false to suggest that only the IRA (or similar) were responsible for bombing/burning houses, which is why I'm looking for some that were bombed during World War II, or even possibly World War I. The other option if not enough turn up in that category is to explore the ones so damaged by war time service and requisitioning that they had to be demolished anyway. Thanks all of you for your help - there is no need to edit the page David thank you, I'm a very untidy worker and it is months from being finished, and the finished product will look nothing like that. Please leave any further comments or thoughts you may have on my talk. Thanks [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 14:40, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:[[WP:NOTTHEM]]. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 11:17, 27 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:My comment was not directed at yourself - my comment was directed at Mr. Lauder labelling of the IRA as terrorist - if he does that again he will be removed from this talk page. As long as he is civil and balanced then he will be tolerated.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 14:45, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::Don't quote stupid, ridiculous essays and links to me! Explain why this is acceptable [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Counter-revolutionary#Unblock] and an unblock of Vk is not? Are you even aware of the facts? I very nuch doubt it. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giacomo '''</span>]]</span></small> 11:20, 27 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::We're trying to move away with all that. Don't take it so seriously when we're off topic. --[[User:Counter-revolutionary|Counter-revolutionary]] 14:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::I am also trying to move away from that, however, labelling the IRA terrorist is not in the spirit of moving away from anything infact I see it as an attempt to enflame things just as they are calming down.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 14:59, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:If "opponents" have "behaved in far worse fashion" then that is an argument to block or chastise them, not to unblock VK. I will support appropriate measures against "opposing" editors to minimize disruption when those are proven with diffs. Let's address that on ANI as an independent issue. This is an encyclopedia, not a boxing match. We don't need to find sparring partners. <b>[[User:Will Beback|<span style="color:#595454">Will Beback</span>]] [[User talk:Will Beback|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">talk</span>]] </b> 11:23, 27 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== "Low" == |
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::*Get hold of Alison then, and ask her for some explanations of her behaviour here, I am enjoying a pleasant and relaxed holiday, to which I am hurriedly returning, and leaving the sleezy mire of hypocrisy which I have found here while looking in briefly. Disgraceful and disgusting exhibition of double standards. I have never seen such gross hyppocrisy from so called admins here before. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giacomo '''</span>]]</span></small> 11:28, 27 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Um, is "hypocrisy" aimed at me? You realise I had no involvement with the unblock of Counter-revolutionary? Also, I think this is another instance where supporters of an editor vocally and even aggressively trying to defend them in their absence is, if anything, counter-productive. If VK makes a serious unblock request (which you're welcome to help him formulate), ''that'' would merit lengthy discussion. Discussing the now-declined request this much merely prejudices any future request. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 11:36, 27 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::Eh, it's Giacomo. Everything he disagrees with is proof of Wikipedia's moral decline & hypocrisy. Best to just ignore him. — <b>[[User:HandThatFeeds|<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS; color:DarkBlue;cursor:help">The Hand That Feeds You</span>]]:<sup>[[User talk:HandThatFeeds|Bite]]</sup></b> 15:24, 27 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::You know what would be totally awesome? If we used Vintagekits' talk page to talk to and about Vintagekits, and not each other! Vintagekits, there are three audiences that will be reviewing your block request. People who know you and are inclined to help you out, people who know you and are disinclined to help you out, and people who don't know you at all. If you even appear to place any of the blame for your block on someone else's shoulders, that last group will not help you. Its just the way it is around here.--[[User:Tznkai|Tznkai]] ([[User talk:Tznkai|talk]]) 18:20, 28 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:With unblock requests worded like the one under discussion here, standard procedure is to decline the request. If he's serious about being unblocked, he is free to submit a properly-worded unblock request. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 17:48, 27 December 2010 (UTC) |
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*Far from ignoring the multitude of reason for my various blocks I am fully aware of them and hence the reason I left it over a year before requesting an unblock. My indefinate block was ushered through on the back of a bandwagon whilst half the world slept. When the remainder of the world awoke they were basically told it was too late. |
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*Do I acknowledge and repent for my past poor action? Like I say I am fully aware of the reasons I got into trouble on here and have no intention to repeat that. |
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*Do I understand what I have been blocked for, yes. But I also understand that there are a group of editors that wanted me off wiki for over a year prior to my unblock and were happy to orcastrate a posse to ensure I was banished and many have shown their faces here already. Things have changed in my life, probably the biggest set of changes a person can go through. I approach things different these days and have no desire to engage in the confrontational encounters with those editors in futures - nor do I have the time to obesse about the same issues either. |
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*will I not continue to cause damage or disruption to the project. Most certainly not. I feel that a spell of over a year out of the project without whining or whinging or evasion is enough to prove what I have said above is true. |
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*will make useful contributions instead? Thats what I am hee for. Will I disagree with people, I am sure I will but the more opposing voices on wiki the better - its how you go about solving those issues is the main thing. Thats about it I think. If anyone has any comments or queries I would be happy to answer them. |
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p.s. apologies for the shoddy original unblock request, one would think that with all my experience that I would know what the correct procedure was, however I am obviously out of practice.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 13:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:Well that sounds a little more like an unblock request, though you should probably address the old [[User talk:Vintagekits/terms]] specifically since that came up in the recent ANI discussion. When you're ready, use the appropriate unblock request template, and someone should then start a new thread on [[WP:AN]]. Unfortunately the starting of an ANI discussion in relation to your recent request may have poisoned the well a bit, so you may have to work extra hard to convince people to have you back. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 18:06, 28 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:A friendly word of advice: In such an unblock request, don't say ''anything'' about other editors. It will, ''for sure'', result in an "unblock declined". ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 18:12, 28 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:I think what's being sought, is an apology for being un-civil (the colour languages on talkpages) & prior to your indef-block, the usage of socks. Plus a promise to do neither again. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 19:11, 28 December 2010 (UTC) |
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If pointing out spelling mistakes is "low" then god help our schoolteachers, proofreaders and editors. I did not use the spelling mistake in any form of ad hominem argument, did I? So what exactly is your problem? <span style="font-size:80%;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">[[User:The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick|<font color="red">'''The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick'''</font>]]<sup> [[User talk:The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick|<font color="blue">'''t'''</font>]]</sup></span> 23:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:I'd just rather discuss the meat of an issue rather than pointing out spelling mistakes. You are supposed to discuss other peoples comments not correct them like a schoolteacher.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 23:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::The second time VK was blocked for incivility, back in February 2007, he solemnly promised to "avoid comments that even could come close to being perceived as attacks or incivility".[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Vintagekits&diff=prev&oldid=109541190] He's been blocked 20 times for personal attacks since then, not to mention the edit warring blocks. Following many of those blocks he's promised to reform. But he is who he is, and at this point it'd be foolish to assume he's capable of change, no matter how sincere his promises may be. See [[The Scorpion and the Frog]]. <b>[[User:Will Beback|<span style="color:#595454">Will Beback</span>]] [[User talk:Will Beback|<span style="color:#C0C0C0">talk</span>]] </b> 08:07, 29 December 2010 (UTC) |
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==Lord Chief Executioner== |
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:::Why the fuck should VK apologise for the "usage of socks"? When was the last time he socked? It certainly wasn't anything to do with his last block was it? VK has certainly got it half right though, you only have to look at the history of the now disgraced admin who blocked him last time, who clearly had it in for VK to such an extent that he was busy gathering villagers with pitchforks to ban VK while ignoring that the article that caused the problems had a BLP violation in that his death was completely unsourced! And isn't it funny how two things I've taken to ANI recently have had little to no input, the no input being an IP editor who violates BLP with virtually every single edit they make. But VK posts an unblock on what should be a quiet day of the year and people are there in the blink of an eye, it would seem keeping VK off Wikipedia is far more important than upholing BLP round here... <span style="font-family:Celtic">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">2 lines of K</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></span> 13:12, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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Check out his quote I've added. Sadly I decided to go for the less controversial one, his other comment was "that unctuous self-righteous fucker". <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 23:19, 28 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::Why should he? Well, how badly does he want to edit? Editing here is a privilege, not a right. And blaming others for getting blocked will accomplish nothing, so I'm trying to imagine how your comments are likely to help the blockee in this case. As to the other items you mention, I'll take a look, but IP's can't be given lengthy blocks except in limited circumstances. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 13:22, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::Oh just grovel to them VK, crawl on your hands and knees shouting "''I'm nout but a thick bog peasant, please kind sirs let me edit, I'll be ever so good and brown my nose''" I rather think that is what is required. Were you pretending to be a fine upstanding English gentleman, then of course you would be aplauded and welcomed back, even if you had been "abusing multiple accounts and using threatening behaviour" all behaviour seemingly taught on the playing fields of Eton. It looks to me like you are perceived to be the wrong nationality and type. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giacomo '''</span>]]</span></small> 13:41, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::How badly does he want to edit? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 13:49, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:*About as badly as [[User:Counter-revolutionary]], one of his old prime-agressors, who has just been welomed back after a two year block for all forms of deporable behaviour. It seems there is one rule for the Brits and one for the Irish. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giacomo '''</span>]]</span></small> 13:55, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::*Yeh, a lot of us Yanks have it in for the Irish while we love the British (guess which one we fought two wars against). ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 13:58, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::Oh I had no idea, that decisions solely up to you "Yanks." I thought this was an internationally collaborative project. Silly me. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giacomo '''</span>]]</span></small> 14:31, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::And how does a baseless accusation of anti-Irish bias aid in that collaboration? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 14:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::*The unblock of the other user looks questionable, and you're free to follow the guy's edits and see if he misbehaves, and then take it to the admins. None of that has anything to do with O'Vintagekits, though. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 14:06, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:*I support Vintagekits return to productive contributing. Under some restrictions perhaps for a couple of months to help him settle back in and on a short rope as regards rudeness to other contributors, all he has to do is to be polite or be blocked again. [[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 14:19, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::*That seems fair, provided he stops playing the "look what you made me do" game. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 14:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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To focus on socking is a red herring. Yes, Vk has socked before—persistently—but there is nothing to suggest he has done so during the length on this block, despite ample time and opportunity to do so. Expecting (or demanding) an apology for socking is both pointless and punitive. Giano has a point beneath the nationalist spin: every block should be reviewed in the context of the reasons for the block, not other sundry past crimes. |
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Vk seems to have addressed the reasons for his block on the second attempt. But, in my opinion, a major concern remains: denial of responsibility ("''The actually block was malicious in the first place''", "''there are a group of editors that wanted me off wiki for over a year prior to my unblock and were happy to orcastrate a posse to ensure I was banished''"). If you don't demonstrate that you appreciate ''why'' your actions led to a block (and instead blame the actions of others) its unlikely you can make the judgments required to avoid making the same comments in future. My reading of both requests is that Vk believes he was blocked unfairly by a conspiracy of others. Only if the community accepts this should he be unblocked. [[User:Rockpocket|<span style="color:green">Rockpock</span>]]<span style="color:black">e</span>[[User_talk:Rockpocket|<span style="color:green">t</span>]] 14:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Thank you == |
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:::::*I dont really want to focus on this as it is exactly the type of negativity that I want to avoid but do you agree that there are a band (orcastrated or not) who would not wish to see my return to wiki no matter what I said. Lets not kid ourselves here eh!--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 19:22, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::: I expect there are editors that consider your bridges well and truly burnt, and no matter what you say now will be unlikely to support your unblocking. But you might consider ''why'' some people feel that way (hint: the 31 prior blocks may have something to do with it) and instead try to convince those who are willing to give you another chance that you know how to avoid reaching 32. [[User:Rockpocket|<span style="color:green">Rockpock</span>]]<span style="color:black">e</span>[[User_talk:Rockpocket|<span style="color:green">t</span>]] 21:01, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::*Thank you Rockpocket, I think we will both agree that VK was a thorn in many sides and I will conceed that when in drink he could be objectionable. However, as he says "''Things have changed in my life, probably the biggest set of changes a person can go through. I approach things different these days and have no desire to engage in the confrontational encounters with those editors in futures.''" I know that his RL responsibilities have increased and with them his sense of responsibility. Does one punish the adult for the sins of the child? returning to that punishment, the reasons many were unhapy with his block was becase it was most defiitely as VK says hurriedly "ushered through on the back of a bandwagon whilst half the world slept." I have never before or since seen such a hurried indeff, in one time zone. Regardless of if you like it or not, VK was indeffed while Ireland was asleep. Now that his old adversaris are all unblocked, '''My view is that comon justice demands the lifting of this block'''. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giacomo '''</span>]]</span></small> 17:25, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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Thank you for welcoming me! |
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:::: But irrespective of whether the indef was hurried through or not, the fact remains that there was a good reason the initial block was placed. Few, if any, of the editors who argued against the nature of the indef took issue with that. Vk-with-added-responsibilities said he would be happy to answer queries. So I have four before offering an opinion on the merits of his request. |
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I had never met an Irish wikipedian before. At [[WP:AR]] we have promoted [[William Brown (admiral)]] to Good Article!--[[User:Argentini an|Argentini an]] 01:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::#Do you think it is acceptable to refer to another editor, completely unprovoked, as a "fucking arsehole" or an "ego maniac"? |
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::::#Should editors who repeatedly or persistently use bilious language in personal attacks or in reference to other editors be welcome in our community? |
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::::#Pursuant to your answer above, why? |
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::::#If you were unblocked and used such language again in reference to another editor, should this block be immediately reinstated? |
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:::: Thanks, [[User:Rockpocket|<span style="color:green">Rockpock</span>]]<span style="color:black">e</span>[[User_talk:Rockpocket|<span style="color:green">t</span>]] 17:09, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== "British whitewash" == |
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Hi! I see you've decided to contribute to [[WP:AR|WikiProject Argentina]]. Please try to discuss civilly regarding the name of the [[Falklands War]]. By definition, if someone disagrees with something due to how it's presented, it's OK to demand NPOV, but you absolutely have to [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] and discuss with Wikipedia policies and guidelines on your side. There's no concerted British-led effort to rid Wikipedia of the word "Malvinas", and suggesting otherwise is only hurting your cause. Maybe the article can do without an NPOV tag for now, since that's mainly when the discussion has been long and undecided and problematic. —[[User:Pablo-flores|Pablo D. Flores]] <span style="font-size: 80%">([[User talk:Pablo-flores|Talk]])</span> 10:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:Actually I am not being uncivil and I am assuming good faith. I have been trying to discuss this issue since January and have been ignored until I put the NPOV tag on it. Not one person is willing to give an explanation as toi why the islands shouldnt also be refered to as the Malvinas and as you can see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falklands_War&diff=132716791&oldid=132716298 here], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falklands_War&diff=132707575&oldid=132706888 here], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falklands_War&diff=127764939&oldid=127742503 here], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Falklands_War&diff=127235599&oldid=127234939 here] (I could go on - now these editors are only removing the alternate name with the word Malvinas in it and not any others despite the fact that the Malvinas one is the ONLY one that is referenced additionally, altough they are willing to reference the referenced material they are not willing to enter into a discussion about it on the talk page. regards--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 11:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::As your your suggestion that the tag should only be used "when the discussion has been long and undecided and problematic" [[Talk:Falklands_War#Replace_Spanish_translation_with_alternative_name|I would suggest you read this]] to see my attempt to resolve the situation here - my attempts have been stonewalled. |
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Just to be clear: I support having Vk's indef block lifted, therefore I aint requesting anything from VK in his unblock request. I merely observed about the kind of unblock request he'll need, to get the community to support his unblock. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 18:34, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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==Paul McCloskey== |
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You're doing fine Vk. Remaining patient, no foul language usage, no socking. Such an approach helps & I believe at some point in 2011, you'll be unblocked. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 14:27, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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Sort the links out ;) <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 19:01, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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I'll make sure to do that and thanks for offering, and the same goes for you if I can lol |
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{{unblock reviewed|I acknowledge the reason for my block. I was taking wikipedia far too personal, hence the reason I left it over a year before requesting an unblock. |
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== Divisive userbox == |
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Do I acknowledge and repent for my past poor action? Like I say I am fully aware of the reasons I got into trouble on here and have no intention to repeat that. |
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Do I understand what I have been blocked for? Yes. Things have changed in my life, probably the biggest set of changes a person can go through. I approach things different these days and have no desire to engage in the confrontational encounters with editor in the future - nor do I have the time to obesse about the same issues either. |
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Will I not continue to cause damage or disruption to the project. Most certainly not. I feel that a spell of over a year out of the project without whining or whinging or evasion goes some way to proving that I am serious in what I say. |
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Will make useful contributions instead? Thats what I am hee for. Will I disagree with people, I am sure I will but the more opposing voices on wiki the better - its how you go about solving those issues is the main thing. Thats about it I think. If anyone has any comments or queries I would be happy to answer them.|decline=At this point, there's no way for you to be unblocked without a community consensus at AN or ANI (or appeal to BASC). Trouble is that starting such a thread so soon after the last one is unlikely to accomplish much. Consensus can change, but rarely does it overnight. My best advice would be to either wait a few months and try for return per [[WP:OFFER]] or to email BASC. [[User:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Teal; font-family:Tahoma">'''HJ Mitchell'''</span>]] | [[User talk:HJ Mitchell|<span style="color:Navy; font-family:Times New Roman">Penny for your thoughts? </span>]] 03:47, 31 December 2010 (UTC)}} |
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:*Here's the problem: At the recent ANI discussion, most users were opposed to you being unblocked. The few that did support unblocking you did so on the condition that you restrict yourself from editing British and Irish political articles, broadly construed, and that you accept an appointed mentor. I asked above if you would be willing to agree to these conditions and I don't see an answer anywhere. You have a few more supporters here now, but another discussion will be warranted if we are to seriously consider unblocking you. I don't see any point to initiating said discussion until you indicate whether or not you would be willing to accept such restrictions. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 20:45, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::It's quite apparent (at the moment) that if/when Vk is unblocked, another ANI community review will occur. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 21:15, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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{{hat|side conversation}} |
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Hi. I note you have the following on your user page at the moment: "The Ulster Banner" - This user opposes the ongoing campaign to remove '''[[Flag of Northern Ireland|this sectarian rag]]''' from Wikipedia". I wonder if you might consider toning it down? I am not a great fan of flags on Wikipedia as you know but this kind of thing offends people, and seems to offer no advantages in return. Let me know what you think. --[[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 23:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::the problem with that is, were similar restrictions imposed on his adversaries who behaved in far worse fashion and who are now unblocked after similar blocks - are you seeking to bias the Troubles debates and pages? <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giacomo '''</span>]]</span></small> 20:57, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:No problem as soon as that flag that offends me is removed from wiki I will then remove the comment you believe may offend others. regards--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 23:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::I see this along with some of your edits on the Falklands War as being indicative of a problematic attitude towards editing this project, Vintagekits. Please remember this is a collaborative thing and we must work together on it. It is [[WP:NOT|not]] a soapbox, and your perceptions of bias may be better addressed than by edit-warring or the display of offensive matter on your user page. --[[User:Guinnog|Guinnog]] 23:16, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Listen Gunniog, just because you have different views to me, you made that clear on the strawpoll on the Northern Ireland page - you were in the minority there so you should accept that, that does not give you the right to come on here a throw unfounded accusations around. I am discussing the issue on the Falklands page (like i have been trying to do since January) so do not accuse me of edit warring - your bang out of order.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 23:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::Vintage, if another user copied the userbox but changed the image to that of the Irish tricolour, would you find that divisive or offensive? I don't like the Ulster Banner either, but labelling any flag "a sectarian rag" seems deliberately inflammatory. [[User:Stubacca|<font color = "green">'''Stu'''</font>]] [[User talk:Stubacca|<font color = "green"><sup>''’Bout ye!''</sup></font>]] 08:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC) |
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I have removed the user box per [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:USER#Removal_of_inappropriate_content]. It is obviously causing offence and likely to do so to many more users. As there is plenty of confrontation going on nowadays, I would have thought you would have the good sense to tone things down, not add more provocation. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 12:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:How about removing it from all the articles and templates where it's being used incorrectly and causing offence as well then? <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 12:59, 31 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::You are able to do that yourself if you think it's the right thing to do. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 14:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::As you're well aware, [[User:Astrotrain|Astrotrain]] and [[User:Jonto|Jonto]] (amongst others) are happy to revert that change until the cows come home. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 14:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::I'm afraid I haven't been following it. There is [[WP:DR]]. The matter can be taken through various stages all the way to ArbCom if necessary (as you're well aware). Please don't adopt such a negative tone to me because of disputes with others. It's very disagreeable. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 14:21, 31 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::I didn't intend it to be negative sorry. You banned Astrotrain from editing various templates for that specific reason if you recall? <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 14:22, 31 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::::I do recall the ban, but I've forgotten what article it related to. It was over the mode of editing, not content as such, but it seems then that I have already acted in the area you request me to. However, that certainly lends weight to any case you wish to further. Creating provocative user boxes is not the way to achieve anything (something you might like to consider). It's petty. I'm sure you know all this already. These kind of conversations really are a waste of time. Better to edit something worthwhile. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 14:40, 31 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::::''These kind of conversations really are a waste of time. Better to edit something worthwhile'' - indeed, I'm just in the middle of about 80 things right now so aside from some minor tinkering I'm not doing much editing until later. There was a lengthy discussion [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Flag Template#Proposal for warning against inappropriate use of Northern Ireland flag templates|here]] as well as at [[Talk:Northern Ireland]] about the use of that flag, and in what context it should be used. Although I agree it should only be used in certain circumstances, I don't have the time or energy to get involved in a dispute over it, as it's just non-stop edit wars and short of an arbcom ruling I don't see it being settled any time soon. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 14:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::::::Patience is often a good way to sort out problems. [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius]] 03:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Giano, your backhanded accusation of bad faith is really not going to help the situation. I'm sure you are aware of [[WP:NOTTHEM]]. I'm not saying VK has to agree to these terms, I'm saying he should answer the querstion of whether he would be willing to agree to them or not. If the answer is no, then we know before re-starting the discussion that that particular option is off the table. That's all, there is no conspiracy, just a simple request for clarification of a point that has already come up in these discussions. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 21:23, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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==Antoine Mac Giolla Bhrighde== |
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:::*Please don't quote these ridiculous [[WP-THINGS]] to me because I never read them as they are usually written by Admins atemptimg to justify their own bad behaviour. I can assure you I meant nothing "backhanded," in fact, my meaning was quite obvious. You have allowed back his adversaries (who committed worse "crimes") without a murmer of dissent; now, just get on and unblock VK who has, unlike them, promised to mend his ways. It's begining to look like a huge bias. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giacomo '''</span>]]</span></small> 21:33, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::I haven't personally allowed anyone back in. I don't even know who you are talking about and I don't care to find out either. We are discussing VKs possible unblock. Some other user being unblocked by some other admin is a separate matter, and has abcolutely nothing to do with the simple question I am asking for an answer to. This bias you speak of, as it applies to me anyway, is purely a product of your imagination. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 21:46, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::If you have not bothered to avail yourself of the facts pertenent to this case perhaps you sould not be commenting here at all. Such ignorance is worryingly common amongst Admins keen to have their names seen here, there and everywhere. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giacomo '''</span>]]</span></small> 21:59, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::I have to wonder, at this point, if Giaco is actually trying to sabotage VK's attempt to get unblocked. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 21:50, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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You got a citation for what I've just tagged please? It's not in Moloney. Ta. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 23:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::::Your wonderings are of very little value. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giacomo '''</span>]]</span></small> 21:57, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:Looks like a mix of Tirghra and "The Sas inIreland" by Ratmond Murray.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 23:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::::{{small|My comments are every bit as valuable as yours. But thanks for the non-denial denial :) ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 22:06, 30 December 2010 (UTC)}} |
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::It's not in Tírghrá, and I don't have a copy of Murray and it ain't on Amazon or Google books free preview. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 23:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::::This entire conversation is of little value at this point, all I wanted was a simple yes or no answer to a question, and you have decided to drag imaginary nationalist conspiracies into it. I don't care one bit if VK is Irish, English, Iranian, Australian, Navajo, Greek, Albanian, etc. I'll have you know I'm half Irish Catholic myself, so if anything I would be more inclined to be biased in his favor. Now, if we could just let this non-issue alone and give VK a chance to answer the question with either a yes or a no that would be ''super''. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 22:03, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::It must by Murray then but I know Tirghra mentions his career in the regulars. I will fish it out tommorrow.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 23:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC) |
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: Giano - who are these ''"adversaries who behaved in far worse fashion and who are now unblocked after similar blocks"'' because I'm really not seeing them? I hope that's not a reference to Counter-rev, as he was 1) neither Sussexman nor David Lauder, both of whom are still well and truly blocked and 2) was never as abusive as VintageKits was in his prime. See my talk page where I went over that already during the week - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family: comic sans ms">'''A<span style="color:#FF7C0A">l<span style="color:#FFB550">is</span>o</span>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 10:19, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::*I see, so WJBscribe was lying/grossly exagerating here: "''19:26, 1 July 2008 WJBscribe (talk | contribs) blocked Counter-revolutionary (talk | contribs) (account creation blocked) with an expiry time of indefinite (abusing multiple accounts, threatening behaviour)''" and that well known upstanding paragon of Wiki virtue Rlevse (renamed as Vanquished on VK's block log) was mreley upholding the sacred Wiki after the disgraceful night of dirty knives when North America hurriedly sent VK packing while Ireland slept - I hope you are proud of that in North America! One only has to look at the names on his block log [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3AVintagekits] to see what was happenng a combination of monumantal and engineered ignorance. You Alison, released Counter-revolutionary from his cage in time for the 2010 election after asking for few if any reasurrances of futire behaviour. Yet, when VK wants similarly releasing all hell breaks loose as the drones march out to comment, clearly (as Beeblebrox admits) with mot a clue about that which they are comenting on. I find this all very odd indeed. I am delighted that VK states he is a reformed charactor and hope he has the chance to prove that - a great pity you did not require similar assurances from CR. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giacomo '''</span>]]</span></small> 11:12, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Please cease posting comments to this thread in the recent nationalist-battleground and what-about-that-guy vein. You clearly support VK's unblock, but your efforts are counterproductive to that aim and you seem unable to recognise that (as I said before, if you have current issues with other editors, then pursue [[WP:DR|DR]] as appropriate). My expectation is that VK will address the issue of whether he would accept the previous unblock terms and why they would work this time (with the hope that successfully respecting them would later give some chance of them being lifted) or else make the best case he can why he should be given the chance to show that such terms aren't necessary now. Then we can have another AN thread, where I don't rate his chances in the near future, but with a good enough effort, who knows. At any rate, there's no other way back, and you're not helping - quite the opposite. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 13:02, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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== Malvinas == |
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::::*I'm sure you all hate haveing the nationalistic overtones of this debate brought out into the open, but there are no other conclusions one can draw? Bad behaviour hapened on both sides, yet only one side continues to be punished - or have you just unblocked VK? Oh and will you all please stop quoting these stupid [[WP-things]] at me, all written by yourselves. Either behave fairly or be quite yourself. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giacomo '''</span>]]</span></small> 13:38, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::Any more of this nonsense and I'll page ban you from here, mostly for VK's benefit but also for your own. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 15:29, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::*{{small|Well, he's still blocked. Your reverse-psychology strategy worked. :) ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 14:05, 31 December 2010 (UTC)}} |
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Man, I really think you are not getting anyway with that aproach to the Falkland/Malvinas thing. I strongly suggest you discuss things in the talk page before actually making any changes to the page. I also don't think focusing on the name is that important; the article is definitelly biased, but the naming is no the most important thing. Cheers, --[[User:Marianocecowski|Mariano]]<small>([[User talk:Marianocecowski|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Marianocecowski|c]])</small> 00:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC) |
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* - the question to Vintagekits .... |
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:Agree. As a neutal party to this disput, I need to ask you, Vintagekits, to tone things down. Shouting and the other comments you're making in your edit summaries are inappropriate. The lead paragraph had been stable for quite some time until you changed it without discussion, then accused others of edit warring when they tried to put it back. That seems a bit unfair. When a subject is this sensitive, it is really vital that you propose the new text on the talk page first, discuss it, be willing to bend a little and have references for what you do. I'm remaining neutral in this, and I have restored the stable version. I strongly ask you to please respect that version and my neutrality until you and the other editors can come to a consensus as to what the new wording is going to be. Discuss first, be civil, be respectful. A war was fought over the islands, we don't need a war fought over the article. '''[[User:Akradecki|<font style="color:#62BB32;">AK<font style="color:#006400;">Radecki</font></font>]]''' 02:19, 30 May 2007 (UTC) |
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The few that did support unblocking you did so on the condition that you restrict yourself from editing British and Irish political articles, broadly construed, and that you accept an appointed mentor...Would you be willing to accept such a condition? I am unsure but I imagine such a condition would not be indefinite but perhaps for say six months or until the community could see you moving forward in a collaborative manner and a measure of trust and support was there to lift the restriction.[[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 13:49, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:Agree - address that, VK, or else make the best case you can why you should be given the chance to show that such terms aren't necessary now. Then we can have another AN thread and see where we stand. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 15:32, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::*that conditionality wouldnt annoy me to be honest. I think people will be surprised with how I handle my self from now on so I would have no objection to a restriction like that.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 17:13, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::IMHO, an AN or ANI report/thread shouldn't be opened until Vk's unblocked. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 15:34, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::VK shouldn't be unblocked until the community has agreed to removal of the effective community ban. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 16:05, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::Oops, I forgot, it was a community ban. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 16:10, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::Bringing it up again at ANI could result in disappointment for VK, but could also be the fair thing to do, as the worst the group is likely to do is say "No" again. Just make sure you-know-who doesn't put his oar in and gum up the works for VK. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 16:51, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:*I find it fairly hard to take this process serious, especially considering the CR episode. My first unblock request was largely rejeced out oof hand because I didnt explain myself and then I did in the second and it was rejected because it was "too soon". Whats a guy gotta do?--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 17:13, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::Be patienet. Remember, there's alot of editors out there, who still don't trust you & aren't quick to forgive your past behaviour. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 17:20, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::Make a third one. You've explained yourself better, and as it seems you're willing to accept the terms, it seems reasonable to now discuss an unblock at AN. I think the "too soon" issue may have been because at that point you hadn't addressed the terms, and now you have I wouldn't expect it to happen again. (And if it does, I'm happy to start an AN thread anyway.) [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 17:48, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::As per the above, you have explained your position and alluded to your understanding of why you were restricted and you have offered and accepted the possible restrictions such as mentor and topic restriction, so moving forward and with this in mind your offer and request is worth presenting to the community, although I am sure you know there is no guarantee, if you are serious I suggest you present the new situation in an unblock template for community consideration. [[User:Off2riorob|Off2riorob]] ([[User talk:Off2riorob|talk]]) 19:17, 31 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Disclosure; I'm half Irish, so maybe I empathize a bit too much, but I suggest you try again right away(apppears to me you have a bit of positive momentum right now) and if anybody who might be Christian throws up the "31 blocks" objection, just remind them, especially at this time of year, that 31 is not [[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2018:21-23&version=KJV 490]]. [[User:Mr.grantevans2|Mr.Grantevans2]] ([[User talk:Mr.grantevans2|talk]]) 16:01, 1 January 2011 (UTC) |
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==Unblock Request - Take III== |
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== Proposal: Variants of the abolished NI Flag in Template:Country data Northern Ireland == |
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{{unblock reviewed | 1=I acknowledge the reason for my block. I was taking wikipedia far too personal, hence the reason I left it over a year before requesting an unblock. Do I acknowledge and repent for my past poor action? Like I say I am fully aware of the reasons I got into trouble on here and have no intention to repeat that. Do I understand what I have been blocked for? Yes. Things have changed in my life, probably the biggest set of changes a person can go through. I approach things different these days and have no desire to engage in the confrontational encounters with editors in the future - nor do I have the time to obesse about the same issues either. Will I not continue to cause damage or disruption to the project? Most certainly not. I feel that a spell of over a year out of the project without whining or whinging or evasion goes some way to proving that I am serious in what I say. Will make useful contributions instead? Thats what I am here for. Will I disagree with people? I am sure I will but the more opposing voices on wiki the better - its how you go about solving those issues which is the main thing. That is about it I think. If anyone has any comments or queries I would be happy to answer them. | decline=Enough si enough. I have revoked your access to this talk page, please direct any further appeals to the Arbitration Committee via their Ban Appeals Subcommittee, the community is not receptive to unblocking you. Any unblock at this point will have to come from the Committee. [[User:Courcelles|Courcelles]] 03:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)}} |
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Hi, you might want to voice your opinion in a proposal I made in [[Template talk:Country data Northern Ireland#Request for edit]]. As the discussion has been going on and the page is quite cluttered, here my proposal in short: |
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*You might want to fix the spelling errors and also clarify the "not...not" statement. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 15:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:Inclusion of variants in the [[Template:Country data Northern Ireland]] as follows: |
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:| flag alias-cgf = Image:Flag of Northern Ireland.svg [[Image:Flag of Northern Ireland.svg|35px]] still used by the [[CGF]] ([[Commonwealth Games]] Federation) |
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:| flag alias-patrick = Image:Saint Patrick's flag for Northern Ireland.svg [[Image:Saint Patrick's flag for Northern Ireland.svg|35px]] |
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:| flag alias-map = Image:Alliance ni flag.png [[Image:Alliance ni flag.png|35px]], which I find aesthetically more satisfying than [[Image:NIShape.gif|35px]] |
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:| flag alias-union = Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg [[Image:Flag of the United Kingdom.svg|35px]] as the only official flag of NI |
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The defenders of the abolished flag argue that this flag is still used in context with the Commonwealth Games. I think that the inclusions of variants is the first practical step in discontinuing the use of the abolished flag in articles about biographies and international organisations (like the european parties). AFAIK, a map tag is already in use in articles about NI geography; this map symbol was never intended to be used as an icon, and I think the usage of [[:Image:Alliance ni flag.png]] looks better. |
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*Chuck in a bit about your agreement to being sanctioned from the British & Irish political areas of Wikipedia. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 15:28, 2 January 2011 (UTC) |
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I would welcome your input to this debate greatly. |
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*Bit disappointing, VK - you just copied and pasted Take II without even reading carefully enough to find obvious spelling mistakes, never mind address the points discussed after Take II. This might easily look a bit cavalier to some, which seems silly when you're trying to convince people. Try and fix the issues mentioned before anything else happens. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 14:47, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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Kind regards, [[User:Dingo|Dingo]] 05:07, 30 May 2007 (UTC) (currently anonymous) |
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:::'Cavalier' - do you agree with the rationale behind the closing of 'Take II'. By the way, my spelling is always terrible. It always has been, it always will be. If you find that offensive then I can only apologies. --[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 19:06, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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::::Well, that response robs me of any remaining desire to help you. I wash my hands of this. [[User:Rd232|Rd232]] <sup>[[user talk:rd232|talk]]</sup> 21:31, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:I almost closed this one out of hand, thinking it a duplicate of the previous one. Which it is... [[User:Ultraexactzz|UltraExactZZ]] <sup> [[User_talk:Ultraexactzz|Said]] </sup>~<small> [[Special:Contributions/Ultraexactzz|Did]] </small> 14:59, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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::What more would you like to see in this request?--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 19:06, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:::What do you think are the reasons you got into trouble here? [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster ]] [[User_talk:Kittybrewster|<span style="color:#0000FF">☎</span>]] 19:15, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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::::Many because I was reeled in by dishonest people. What about you?--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 19:16, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::What were you blocked for? [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster ]] [[User_talk:Kittybrewster|<span style="color:#0000FF">☎</span>]] 19:31, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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::::::It's all set about in my block log and the above discussions.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 19:51, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::::Do YOU understand what you were blocked for? [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster ]] [[User_talk:Kittybrewster|<span style="color:#0000FF">☎</span>]] 19:53, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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::::::::Now now KB, have a bit of manners when you are on my talkpage. Its not like you have showered yourself in glory when you have been here before. I'll answer your question with a question. Have you read my unblock request?--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] ([[User talk:Vintagekits#top|talk]]) 20:00, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::::::I have. And I don't believe your reasons for requesting an unblock. You were on a final final chance and you blew it out of the water. [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster ]] [[User_talk:Kittybrewster|<span style="color:#0000FF">☎</span>]] 20:14, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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*I don't think you realise Kittybrewster, that it is your friends who have largley caused the problem which VK has had. However, I'm sure all concerned are noticing, that VK is behaving with maturity and gravitas and not rising to your bait, so perhaps a little introspection would be beneficial for you. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giacomo '''</span>]]</span></small> 21:11, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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::Indeed you are right; I don't realise that my friends (whatever that means) have largely caused VK's problem. Nor do I think VK has begun to make clear that he is responsible. [[User:Kittybrewster|Kittybrewster ]] [[User_talk:Kittybrewster|<span style="color:#0000FF">☎</span>]] 21:29, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:::Whatever makes you happy Kittybrewster can only be applauded. However, I don't think you will find than VK or indeed anyone other eager to respond to yout trolling here. Good evening. <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GiacomoReturned|<span style="color:White;background:Black;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Giacomo '''</span>]]</span></small> 21:32, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:I was about ready to read yet another attempt by Giaco to sabotage VK's comeback attempt, but VK seems to have done a good job sabotaging ''himself'' this time. I can only conclude that he really, really does ''not'' want to edit on wikipedia. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ |
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Folks, this bickering is pointless. Whatever anyone's view of the unblock request, it's going to need an ANI discussion to consider it, and a finger-pointing exercise here does not nothing to assist anyone. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#996600; cursor: not-allowed;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 22:05, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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==Userbox== |
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:I was ready to log a "support unblock", but it's clear he's not serious, so forget it. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 22:19, 3 January 2011 (UTC) |
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*Just a courtesy notice that I have asked at [[WP:AN]] for a previously uninvolved admin to come deal with this, it has obviously dragged on far too long. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 03:14, 4 January 2011 (UTC) |
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== Userpage == |
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I've just added a rather fetching new one you might want too, seventh one down ;) <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 22:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:Your robbed that off Southie didnt ya.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 22:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::I resemble that accusation! <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 22:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::I reincarnate it also.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 22:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::Didn't you nick the aforementioned sectarian rag userbox anyway? ;) <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 22:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::It was an homage!--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 22:54, 30 May 2007 (UTC) |
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::::::Typical Irishman, you'll be quoting me a price for a new drive next.... <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 22:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::::Racialiseristic! Lucky heather!?--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 22:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC) |
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The userpage should be changed to ''indef block'', as that's what VK's status currently is. He's certainly not retired. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 02:14, 29 December 2010 (UTC) |
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==Henry Wharton== |
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:True though that may be, is it ''really'' that big of a deal? Anyone can see from this page that the "retirement" was not voluntary. In short you are correct but it is hardly the most pressing issue here. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 02:36, 29 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::It's just illogical to keep thate ''retirement'' tag, when that's not the situation. [[User:GoodDay|GoodDay]] ([[User talk:GoodDay|talk]]) 02:46, 29 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::I agree completely. I just don't see it as a pressing problem. There has already been a slo-mo edit war over this for over a year, and it's still there. There are things that are worth fighting for and things that are not. I suggest this falls into the "not" category. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 03:46, 29 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::: I changed it to indefblocked yesterday, especially since consensus was formed at AN/I that he's blocked indefinitely, but I was reverted out of hand by his friend. As usual, on Wikipedia, it's not about what you do but who you know. - [[User:Burpelson AFB|Burpelson AFB]] [[User talk:Burpelson AFB|✈]] 14:30, 29 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::It's not worth edit-warring over. ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 15:42, 29 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::: Nothing ever is.--[[User:Tznkai|Tznkai]] ([[User talk:Tznkai|talk]]) 02:18, 30 December 2010 (UTC) |
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*I'm sorry you feel you have been treated unfairly, there have been several community discussions wherein a clear consensus was established that you should remain blocked. Emailing me as if this was all my doing isn't going to change that one bit. You may contact [[WP:BASC]] if you want to appeal this any further, I'd appreciate it if you did not email me any further regarding this as I couldn't override the community's decision even if I wanted to. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 04:42, 6 January 2011 (UTC) |
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Are you planning to do an article on Yorkshire's favourite fighting Irish gypsy any time soon? If not, I might. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 21:29, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:I am sure he is redlinked in one of my articles - but no I aint got any plans for the York tinker!--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 21:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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::I'll have a quick stab at him in the next couple of days, once [[User:One Night In Hackney/Ferris|this is finished]]. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 21:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:::I noticed you were doin something on Paul. Whats the latest wit hthe filming that they were doing about him? Also in the Wharton article make sure you dont use the term "or division either side" or else you will be hearing from my [[solicitor|little Kitty!]]--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 21:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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::::Aye, almost finished. Just need to fill in the stuff before and after the split with Thompson, and some stuff between 94 and 96. Plus if I get his latest book I can probably expand his post release stuff better. Not sure what's happening with the film, what generally happens is they get announced as a possibility, then get tied down in finding finance and pre-production for what seems like an eternity. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 21:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::Did ye see [[User talk:Major Bonkers#Your kindness|what else]] I was up to? <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 22:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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::::::No, what?--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 22:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::::Link? <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 22:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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::::::::Handing out meaningless awards amongest themselves without doing anything to deserve it - and then theres the Barnstars issue aswell!<math>Insert formula here</math> |
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:::::::::Sounds a bit like the soggy biscuit loving aristoracy in general really! <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 22:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC) |
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[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/John_Arbuthnot%2C_6th_Viscount_of_Arbuthnott&curid=11604736&diff=136332448&oldid=136309230 That raised a smile]. I wish some people would improve articles instead of arguing over minor points though :( <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 11:36, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:Now thats what I call ''insight''!--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 11:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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I reverted at 9:16, same time as your comment. Never saw it. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 21:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:Cool, Anyway I was not just talkin about meself either. You shouldnt just ignore Paudge's comment either - he's trying to talk it out.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 21:24, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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::No, he wasn't. Fuck him, he contributes hardly anything except edit warring. If people want to be dicks I can find plenty more things to do with my time. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 21:26, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:::Mountain out of a mole hill my man.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 21:28, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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::::Nah, simple case of lack of respect. Check his recent comments. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 21:29, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::I'd say communication breakdown rather than lack of respect. His names is Charlie, granted its OR but only very marginally. Anyway - thats that and all that. Lets solve the issue and then we can have hugs all round.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 21:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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::::::You're missing the bigger picture. There's a fecking huge expand template at the top of the page isn't there? So why has he wasted two days arguing over a name and providing quotes from books that mention Northern Command? Haven't you noticed that the information could have been added to the article? If people want to fanny about arguing over things that don't matter when there's far more important things that need doing all power to them, I've had enough of it. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 21:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::::Yer not wrong but I think the original focus was on correcting the name - but your right his efforts and energy could be better deployed in more constructive manners/matters.--[[User:Vintagekits|Vintagekits]] 21:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::::Firstly I haven't disrepected you, if that the impression you got then it was never intended, I corrected the name and you reverted it and called it [[WP:OR]], I provided sources to prove that Tim Pat Coogan was wrong in this, yet you still reverted the edits I made, I have other info that could be used to expand the article, but what is the point in me adding this if your going to continue to revert every edit that disputes your source. The last link that I put on your talk page proves without doubt that Coogan is wrong I added the link into the article talk page as well. So can we forget all this nonsense.--[[User:Padraig3uk|padraig3uk]] 21:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AIRA_Northern_Command&diff=136017787&oldid=132265227 That] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AIRA_Northern_Command&diff=136022258&oldid=136019092 that] (and a couple of others) are OR. I checked the book remember, all it did was confirm there was someone called Charlie, not that it was the person being referred to in the article. And rather than wait until a source that was acceptable to me was provided, you persisted in edit warring over it. In case you hadn't noticed there are slightly more important things to do than correct whether someone's name is Charles or Charlie, or whether a flag is on a template or not. If you want to waste time that's up to you, but please don't waste any more of mine. <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 21:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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You spelt his surname as MacGlade rather then McGlade which makes a big difference, that is what I edited, yet you reverted it, I also pointed out he was known as Charlie rather then charles.--[[User:Padraig3uk|padraig3uk]] 22:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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:That would be because the source spells it "MacGlade". Shame on me for following the source eh? <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 22:17, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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::Do you now accept your source is wrong.--[[User:Padraig3uk|padraig3uk]] 22:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC) |
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Hi VK, I just thought I’d drop by to wish you a prosperous New Year and say it would be nice to see a little more of you around the place. That’s assuming, of course, I’m not already seeing you and am too stupid to realise it. Be happy! <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:Giano|<span style="color:blue">Giano</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Giano|'''(talk)''']] 22:03, 28 December 2019 (UTC) |
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Since you continue to be disruptive..Take 48 hours off, VK. Your attacks on Elonka are outside the lines, and you should know that by now. SirFozzie (talk) 17:21, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
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Vintagekits (talk) 21:23, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Vintagekits (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: I dont know why anyone ever does one of these because they are never overturned and fellow admins always see things from the other admins perspective. Sir Fozz says that I have been disruptive and made a personal attack yet refuses to clarify the block, which is poor form. I wasnt being disruptive at all - I hadnt been involved in the revert war that was being discussed and I never suggested that Domer should ignore the probation only that putting him on probation was wrong - I wasnt alone on that. So there can only be the personal attack issue - I made no personal attack, I asked Fozz what was the attack and who was it made towards? Sir Fozz certainly does have a COI with regards me so maybe that clouded his judgement. Decline reason: You clearly don't want to understand the meaning of WP:CIVIL or WP:NPA. Look right above this unblock request for a perfect example of why you shall remain blocked. I am declining your request for unblock because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that
Please read our guide to appealing blocks for more information. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:16, 11 November 2009 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
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Vintagekits (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: there is no personal attack. I didnt not attack Elonka, she asked what Domer meant by his comment, I explained, she was happy with the answer I got. As per usual just because an American see a swear word they automatically think there was a personal attack - there wasnt. Dont judge us by your cultural standards. There was no personal attack. Vintagekits (talk) 00:16, 12 November 2009 (UTC) Decline reason: No one appears to have objected to your first edit to that thread, but the second one constituted a personal attack. Per your block log, this does not appear to be an isolated incident. I suggest that you consider modifying your behaviour to reflect Wikipedia standards, rather than implying that you are being singled out due to cultural differences. Dekimasuよ! 00:41, 12 November 2009 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
BanAs you already know, you have been indef'd and banned per this ANI thread. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:38, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
For battling POV and suffering for the project I award you this.....
Jeez Vk; you break my heart! Why keep effin' and blinding at people when you know what will happen????? Still, hope you get back. Maybe look up "apology" in the dictionary and practice in front of a mirror - without head-butting the glass :) Sarah777 (talk) 10:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Not banned yetThe debate about blocking or banning is still ongoing at ANI, as such VK should be permitted to edit his talk page. Everyone has a right to defend themselves before a sentence is passed. There seems to be a lot of unssemly and undue haste on this matter - why? Giano 10:18, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
In response to my request for copies of emails on this subject, I have received this from Vintagekits, I mailed back and asked for his permission to post it here - he agrees. It was sent to RLevse half an hour or so ago, perhaps when he get's out of bed, (as we have all been now for some hours) he will respond. I think VK makes a reasonable request and point:
Posted here by Giano 12:32, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Howdy Vk. It's your usage of foul language, that's getting ya into these block problems. Personally, I don't mind the colorful words, but it appears an increasing numbers of editors do. GoodDay (talk) 17:12, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Howdy Vk. I decided to delete my 'vote' from your Ban case. I shall have to take a neutral stand on it. GoodDay (talk) 19:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
I have to say that certain people have been trying to make a mountain out of a molehill over VK's emails. They frankly look like reasonable responses given his limitations on communication at the time. I have taken some time to look over some of the troubles articles and there does seem to be a systematic Britsh POV bias going on. No wow I will lay my cards on the table here... I am a Brit... but being from an Irish family I am probably more aware of and attuned to the issues at hand than most editors. Most editors seem to take the Britsh POV and are backed by what would seem to be a a number of admins all with either a British POV or American ones with a strong anti terrorism POV. Take the "British Isles" as an example. Geographically and geologically speaking the term seems fine to me - simply meaning the group of Islands the biggest of which happens to be called Great Britain. That is pretty standard terminology for any group of Islands to be refered to by the biggest. Now the term is also used in political and economic sense where its use is not so clear cut and can have overtones that are not welcome that most British editors are simply unaware of, and the term is used in this way, which can be considered an inflamatory way, throughout wikipedia. There are alternatives to the British Isles which can and should be used outside of purely geographic or geological articles yet the weight of editors on the British side surpresses this. It is no wonder to me that editors who try and redress this balance problem feel like they are beating their head against a wall sometimes because frankly they are, though I would say it is not a wall of anti Irish sentiment but one of ignorance to the issue. --LiamE (talk) 03:43, 13 November 2009 (UTC) I've changed my mind (yet again). I'm once again, opposing the indef-ban, as I've no evidence of sock-puppetry (since the last Banning case). GoodDay (talk) 15:37, 14 November 2009 (UTC) Official statement requestedJehochman has asked for you to write up and post an official statement to be contributed to the ANI discussion before it's closed. Can you create one here and indicate when you are done editing and want it copied over? Thank you. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 18:33, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Yep agree a full and thorough Arbcom case. To cut out the BS insist on Diff's for any and every accusation. --Domer48'fenian' 10:29, 14 November 2009 (UTC) Lift the blockGiven the nature of the block and my suspicion, based on personal experience, that this is a tactic in a banning process I believe the ban should be lifted before any further proceedings. Here we have a trial in progress while the accused has already been locked away without bail - all the better to provoke him. Not the circumstances for a fair assessment of the many issues at play here. It's not as if Vk can abscond while out on bail. I think my proposal here will tease out the real agenda of the block and ban lobby. Sarah777 (talk) 12:17, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
MentorshipWould you be willing to have me, and likely some others (which will need to include people you don't care for - so to be acceptable for those who do not appreciate the effort being expended to keep you editing this project), as mentor(s)? This would run concurrent to Jehochman's suggested limiting you to sport/boxing topics and ban from Ireland/Troubles related areas. I am asking the community the same thing at ANI, and will only accept supping from the poisoned chalice if there are two positive responses. LessHeard vanU (talk) 00:05, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Completely unconnected questionIs Manny Pacquiao's fight on Miguel Cotto British TV tonight, if so when ? I can't find it anywhere and the dog has eaten today's newspaper? someone watching this page is bound to know. Giano 22:20, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Block and associated discussionI have closed the discussion at the incident noticeboard regarding your block. At this time, there is a strong, albeit not unanimous, consensus that the block is to remain. You may, as normal, request that the arbitration committee review the matter. As I stated in my closing rationale, if you post a request for arbitration on this page, I will move it to requests for arbitration for you. Whatever the outcome here is, I urge you to strongly consider why things have come to this point. I hope that you will do so. Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:18, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Take a peek at here, another option. GoodDay (talk) 18:24, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Pacman, WBO welterweight championPacman TKO's Cotto in 12th rd. I was close, eh? GoodDay (talk) 15:53, 15 November 2009 (UTC) The Third RoadHi Vintagekits, the two paths laid before you are both shithouse because both of those paths mean more unhappy work for me. Come over to Wikisource for a while! Bring all your friends!! ;-) Wikisource needs someone with your passion. s:Wikisource:Sports doesn't mention boxing. Someone needs to create s:Wikisource:Boxing We have a few poor quality works in s:Category:Boxing. As an example, I have set up s:Index:Pugilistica - 1906 - Volume 1.djvu and s:Index:Pugilistica - 1906 - Volume 2.djvu, where you can clean up and improve existing biographies written long ago. e.g. Thomas Smallwood. Simply log in, click edit, and fix the OCR errors. The Wikisource community will help you with the syntax voodoo; you'll get the hang of things pretty quickly. I'll be happy to set up projects for any old book that interests you; any topic, any language. I'd rather spend my time helping you settle into Wikisource rather than spend that same time in arbitration or investigating socks. After a few months, you can then appeal your Wikipedia ban either to Arbcom or to the community. John Vandenberg (chat) 13:05, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Troubles Arbitration Case: Amendment for discretionary sanctionsAs a party in The Troubles arbitration case I am notifying you that an amendment request has been posted here. For the Arbitration Committee Seddon talk|WikimediaUK 16:42, 17 November 2009 (UTC) VK is blocked indefinitely, not retiredWhy is the tagging of his user page with {indefblocked} even up for debate? Why are certain people so absolutely desparate to make themselves look like tag teaming edit warriors that are utterly blind to reality? Considering there are already descriptions of this nature of these exact editors before arbcom right now, you would think they might take the hint and actually stop acting like tag teaming edit warriors. It is precisely this sort of lack of clue about reality that got VK indeffed in the first place. MickMacNee (talk) 19:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
The next person who edit wars over the tag earns themselves an indefinite block of their own, and I will press for a formal ban. In the face of any objection, we should err on the side of decency, compassion, and polite behavior, and not screw around with the user and usertalk space associated with others.--Tznkai (talk) 20:06, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
"All we are saying.... is give peace a chance". GoodDay (talk) 20:23, 18 November 2009 (UTC) The best solution I've found in these situations is often to delete the userpage altogether. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:04, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
My reasoning for threatening an indefinite block are simple. This kind of edit warring is disruptive, and is all about making silly points in a conflict that has nothing to do with improving an encyclopedia. Quite frankly, its often grave-dancing behavior, which should be strictly discouraged. I have no tolerance for such displays, and neither should any of you.--Tznkai (talk) 21:31, 18 November 2009 (UTC) Why is this editor's talk page being vandalized?An indefinite block is not a ban. If Vk chooses to retire that's their decision. Their block was unseemly enough and pushed by the worst kind of partisans, but now to have this abusive antagonistic and disruptive display is outrageous. Anyone who alters this editor's talk page from
Not appropriate.This back and forth bickering is not appropriate on a banned users talk page. The hint should have been taken when the user page was protected. If it continues I will protect this page and take a trout to those who led me to do so. Take it to ANI(or even better just drop it), arguing here is nothing more than a drama magnet. Chillum 02:47, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Trouts all around. Take a hint, this should be discussed in a neutral venue or not at all. VK is not participating in this discussion and that is the only reason to have a discussion here. I am protecting this page for 24 hours, hopefully by tomorrow more sense will be shown. Chillum 19:45, 19 November 2009 (UTC) AfD nomination of Edward O'Brien (Irish republican)Your opinions on whether the article meets inclusion criteria and what should be done with the article are welcome; please participate in the discussion(s) by adding your comments to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edward O'Brien (Irish republican). Please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You may also edit the article during the discussion to improve it but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion debate. Please note: This is an automatic notification by a bot. I have nothing to do with this article or the deletion nomination, and can't do anything about it. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:21, 11 December 2009 (UTC) RfD nomination of 'The Great White Hope'.I have nominated 'The Great White Hope'. (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. — The Man in Question (in question) 10:39, 31 December 2009 (UTC) Request for feedbackAlright VK, Kattis from the HB here. Myself and the Da finally finished out wiki page and was wondering what the next step is re; feedback. Type this into the wiki search bar... Free State Intelligence Department - Oriel House I'm not sure if the page is properly live yet as its not coming up when I google search it. Could you make the other members of the 'The Irish Republicanism WikiProject' group aware as I couldn't see a 'talk' tab to share this. Thanks again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.203.209.68 (talk) 19:22, 4 January 2010 (UTC) Unreferenced BLPsHello Vintagekits! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 4 of the articles that you created are tagged as Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. If you were to bring these articles up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current 874 article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the list:
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Vintagekits (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: time to unblock I think. The actually block was malicious in the first place but I think time has been served anyway. Decline reason: I am declining your unblock request because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that
Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. In particular, you should see WP:NOTTHEM and would have to address the fact that stringent terms have already been attempted before (User talk:Vintagekits/terms). See also comments at the ANI discussion about this request. Rd232 talk 11:02, 27 December 2010 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked. See discussion at WP:ANI#Vintagekits seeks unblock. Sandstein 17:05, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
VK, I recommend you admit responsibility for your own indef block. If you don't? well you see the trend at ANI. GoodDay (talk) 00:57, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
This editor need to be unblocked. his opponoents, who have behaved in far worse fashion, have been unblocked. What is the difference with VK? Please explain that to me. Giacomo 11:12, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
p.s. apologies for the shoddy original unblock request, one would think that with all my experience that I would know what the correct procedure was, however I am obviously out of practice.--Vintagekits (talk) 13:22, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
To focus on socking is a red herring. Yes, Vk has socked before—persistently—but there is nothing to suggest he has done so during the length on this block, despite ample time and opportunity to do so. Expecting (or demanding) an apology for socking is both pointless and punitive. Giano has a point beneath the nationalist spin: every block should be reviewed in the context of the reasons for the block, not other sundry past crimes. Vk seems to have addressed the reasons for his block on the second attempt. But, in my opinion, a major concern remains: denial of responsibility ("The actually block was malicious in the first place", "there are a group of editors that wanted me off wiki for over a year prior to my unblock and were happy to orcastrate a posse to ensure I was banished"). If you don't demonstrate that you appreciate why your actions led to a block (and instead blame the actions of others) its unlikely you can make the judgments required to avoid making the same comments in future. My reading of both requests is that Vk believes he was blocked unfairly by a conspiracy of others. Only if the community accepts this should he be unblocked. Rockpocket 14:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Just to be clear: I support having Vk's indef block lifted, therefore I aint requesting anything from VK in his unblock request. I merely observed about the kind of unblock request he'll need, to get the community to support his unblock. GoodDay (talk) 18:34, 30 December 2010 (UTC) You're doing fine Vk. Remaining patient, no foul language usage, no socking. Such an approach helps & I believe at some point in 2011, you'll be unblocked. GoodDay (talk) 14:27, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
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Vintagekits (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: I acknowledge the reason for my block. I was taking wikipedia far too personal, hence the reason I left it over a year before requesting an unblock. Do I acknowledge and repent for my past poor action? Like I say I am fully aware of the reasons I got into trouble on here and have no intention to repeat that. Do I understand what I have been blocked for? Yes. Things have changed in my life, probably the biggest set of changes a person can go through. I approach things different these days and have no desire to engage in the confrontational encounters with editor in the future - nor do I have the time to obesse about the same issues either. Will I not continue to cause damage or disruption to the project. Most certainly not. I feel that a spell of over a year out of the project without whining or whinging or evasion goes some way to proving that I am serious in what I say. Will make useful contributions instead? Thats what I am hee for. Will I disagree with people, I am sure I will but the more opposing voices on wiki the better - its how you go about solving those issues is the main thing. Thats about it I think. If anyone has any comments or queries I would be happy to answer them. Decline reason: At this point, there's no way for you to be unblocked without a community consensus at AN or ANI (or appeal to BASC). Trouble is that starting such a thread so soon after the last one is unlikely to accomplish much. Consensus can change, but rarely does it overnight. My best advice would be to either wait a few months and try for return per WP:OFFER or to email BASC. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:47, 31 December 2010 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
The few that did support unblocking you did so on the condition that you restrict yourself from editing British and Irish political articles, broadly construed, and that you accept an appointed mentor...Would you be willing to accept such a condition? I am unsure but I imagine such a condition would not be indefinite but perhaps for say six months or until the community could see you moving forward in a collaborative manner and a measure of trust and support was there to lift the restriction.Off2riorob (talk) 13:49, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Unblock Request - Take III
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Vintagekits (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: I acknowledge the reason for my block. I was taking wikipedia far too personal, hence the reason I left it over a year before requesting an unblock. Do I acknowledge and repent for my past poor action? Like I say I am fully aware of the reasons I got into trouble on here and have no intention to repeat that. Do I understand what I have been blocked for? Yes. Things have changed in my life, probably the biggest set of changes a person can go through. I approach things different these days and have no desire to engage in the confrontational encounters with editors in the future - nor do I have the time to obesse about the same issues either. Will I not continue to cause damage or disruption to the project? Most certainly not. I feel that a spell of over a year out of the project without whining or whinging or evasion goes some way to proving that I am serious in what I say. Will make useful contributions instead? Thats what I am here for. Will I disagree with people? I am sure I will but the more opposing voices on wiki the better - its how you go about solving those issues which is the main thing. That is about it I think. If anyone has any comments or queries I would be happy to answer them. Decline reason: Enough si enough. I have revoked your access to this talk page, please direct any further appeals to the Arbitration Committee via their Ban Appeals Subcommittee, the community is not receptive to unblocking you. Any unblock at this point will have to come from the Committee. Courcelles 03:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Folks, this bickering is pointless. Whatever anyone's view of the unblock request, it's going to need an ANI discussion to consider it, and a finger-pointing exercise here does not nothing to assist anyone. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:05, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
UserpageThe userpage should be changed to indef block, as that's what VK's status currently is. He's certainly not retired. GoodDay (talk) 02:14, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
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- I'm sorry you feel you have been treated unfairly, there have been several community discussions wherein a clear consensus was established that you should remain blocked. Emailing me as if this was all my doing isn't going to change that one bit. You may contact WP:BASC if you want to appeal this any further, I'd appreciate it if you did not email me any further regarding this as I couldn't override the community's decision even if I wanted to. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:42, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
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- Moved to Commons and now used on Fergal O'Hanlon - Alison ❤ 06:25, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
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Clarification motion
A case (The Troubles) in which you were involved has been modified by motion which changed the wording of the discretionary sanctions section to clarify that the scope applies to pages, not just articles. For the arbitration committee --S Philbrick(Talk) 21:03, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Happy New Year
Hi VK, I just thought I’d drop by to wish you a prosperous New Year and say it would be nice to see a little more of you around the place. That’s assuming, of course, I’m not already seeing you and am too stupid to realise it. Be happy! Giano (talk) 22:03, 28 December 2019 (UTC)