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* ... that '''[[Frederick Seguier Drake|Drake]]''' discovered '''[[Daxinzhuang|an ancient Chinese city]]'''? |
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{{yo|Generalissima|AryKun|AirshipJungleman29|Ganesha811}} Standard practice at DYK is that hooks that perform this kind of mislead are best reserved for (and, in fact, valuable hooks for) April Fools' Day. Since it's early in the run, I suggest we pull this and save it, as it's not really fit for a non-prank set. Lots of people are going to read the hook, think one thing, and then click away (or think we're lying for no good reason). [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 01:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
{{yo|Generalissima|AryKun|AirshipJungleman29|Ganesha811}} Standard practice at DYK is that hooks that perform this kind of mislead are best reserved for (and, in fact, valuable hooks for) April Fools' Day. Since it's early in the run, I suggest we pull this and save it, as it's not really fit for a non-prank set. Lots of people are going to read the hook, think one thing, and then click away (or think we're lying for no good reason). [[user:theleekycauldron|theleekycauldron]] ([[User talk:Theleekycauldron|talk]] • she/her) 01:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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: There's no error, dude called Drake discovered ancient Chinese city. Make it boring if you want but there isn't an error. [[User:AryKun|AryKun]] ([[User talk:AryKun|talk]]) 06:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
: There's no error, dude called Drake discovered ancient Chinese city. Make it boring if you want but there isn't an error. [[User:AryKun|AryKun]] ([[User talk:AryKun|talk]]) 06:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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*Note that there's no [[WP:PRIMARY|primary]] topic for [[Drake]]. In the context of exploration, I first thought of [[Sir Francis Drake]]. |
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:As the ancient city presumably had inhabitants and visitors back in its day, I reckon it would be better to say "re-discovered" rather than suggesting that Drake was the first person to find this city. |
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:[[user:Andrew Davidson|Andrew]]🐉([[user talk:Andrew Davidson|talk]]) 06:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC) |
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- ... that Drake discovered an ancient Chinese city?
@Generalissima, AryKun, AirshipJungleman29, and Ganesha811: Standard practice at DYK is that hooks that perform this kind of mislead are best reserved for (and, in fact, valuable hooks for) April Fools' Day. Since it's early in the run, I suggest we pull this and save it, as it's not really fit for a non-prank set. Lots of people are going to read the hook, think one thing, and then click away (or think we're lying for no good reason). theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I would be heavily opposed to pulling it. We can have the occasional bit of humor outside of April Fools. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 01:14, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- humor's fine, but we should generally make it a point to not deliberately mislead our readers outside of things like April Fools' Day. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it has much of a chance to actually mislead though; would anyone serious believe it applies to Drake (musician) rather than someone else with the fairly common surname? I mean, there's another example just on the front page today. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 01:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- truly a rare thing in a given conversation when I'm the person with less faith in our readership... anyways, yes, I think someone could reasonably believe that, as it is theoretically possible. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- If Frederick Seguier's name wasn't genuinely Drake, I'd be more hesitant, but I don't see the issue. It's not a stretch or a distortion of anything. In this case, I saw no issue. —Ganesha811 (talk) 01:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I also did a double take at this one enough to check the talk page. Actually, I expected it to be Francis Drake, but this isn't even the same person! It appears deliberately misleading, like saying "That M.J. opened an ice cream shop?" when the initials really referred to someone named Max Jacobs. There are better things to come up with than pure clickbait, it was not the right call. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- If Frederick Seguier's name wasn't genuinely Drake, I'd be more hesitant, but I don't see the issue. It's not a stretch or a distortion of anything. In this case, I saw no issue. —Ganesha811 (talk) 01:45, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- truly a rare thing in a given conversation when I'm the person with less faith in our readership... anyways, yes, I think someone could reasonably believe that, as it is theoretically possible. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it has much of a chance to actually mislead though; would anyone serious believe it applies to Drake (musician) rather than someone else with the fairly common surname? I mean, there's another example just on the front page today. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 01:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- humor's fine, but we should generally make it a point to not deliberately mislead our readers outside of things like April Fools' Day. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- There's no error, dude called Drake discovered ancient Chinese city. Make it boring if you want but there isn't an error. AryKun (talk) 06:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note that there's no primary topic for Drake. In the context of exploration, I first thought of Sir Francis Drake.
- As the ancient city presumably had inhabitants and visitors back in its day, I reckon it would be better to say "re-discovered" rather than suggesting that Drake was the first person to find this city.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 06:38, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
@Johnson524, BeanieFan11, and Ganesha811: in Two Roosters Ice Cream, Tripadvisor, PNC Arena, and Discover Durham are not reliable sources (Poole College of Management is also questionable). More controversially, this could be considered a WP:NCORP fail, depending on how narrowly you construe the regionality requirement in WP:AUD. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:17, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've removed one of the Tripadvisor claims where that reference was the only source. Schwede66 01:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- I did consider the WP:NCORP issue, but decided that the case was marginal - I wouldn't be a clear vote for deletion, so fine to let the DYK go ahead. Good point on the Tripadvisor source, though. Would we say Discover Durham is unreliable? It's boosterish, of course, but not necessarily inaccurate. —Ganesha811 (talk) 01:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- yeah, it'd be WP:USERGENERATED, I'd reckon. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at how it's used in the article, I'd also say it's more WP:NOR. I agree it's an issue and will remove the sentence from the article. —Ganesha811 (talk) 01:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- yeah, it'd be WP:USERGENERATED, I'd reckon. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- ... that making the manganese nitride Mn2N requires a sponge?
@Bernanke's Crossbow and SL93: I'm iffy about this citing a primary-source paper from 1894; particularly because the next paragraph of the article seems to contradict the "requires" by providing an alternate means of synthesis. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- My understanding is that the alternate synthesis is for a different type of manganese nitrate, not Mn2N. I added Mn2N to the hook to account for this. —Ganesha811 (talk) 01:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
Another, small, change to the same item: Delete the "the", as there is no previous reference as to what manganese nitride it references. —DocWatson42 (talk) 02:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- hmm? the "the" refers to Mn2N, as I understand it... theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:04, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, "the" is fine here, it is effectively saying "the manganese nitride with the formula Mn2N" (as opposed to the other manganese nitrides). Black Kite (talk) 02:20, 17 June 2024 (UTC)
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