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The result was keep. Listed for 13 days with nobody but the nominator arguing for deletion (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 21:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Prodigal Sunn (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non-notable rap musician. Lacks non-trivial coverage from reliable third parties. JBsupreme (talk) 07:53, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Member of the notable rap group Sunz of Man as well as a solo artist. Could be merged into the group article but shouldn't be deleted. A Google search found these: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6].--Michig (talk) 10:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Redirect Prodigal Sunn to Sunz of Man and delete Return of the Prodigal Sunn, the article for the rapper's sole album. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 22:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]
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- Keep per sources found by Michig. Kimchi.sg (talk) 01:52, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 21:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The Ocean Fracture (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non-notable band. I would have speedied this except it has had a fair number of editors involved. However, I still can't see that it meets notability criteria. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I am also nominating the pages for the band's albums/singles: The Sunmachine And The Ocean and Cesarium/Black Lung Optimism. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment. If the three items of press coverage quoted in The Sunmachine And The Ocean can be verified, then the band will likely pass WP:BAND.--Michig (talk) 15:45, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Unfortunately, none of the items CAN be verified by internet, as the first two sources (Rock Sound Magazine and Big Cheese Magazine) do not archive material online, and no results can be found at a search of Kerrang!. Unless someone has access to these actual magazine issues, the claims to notability of this article remain unverifiable. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per the sources already supplied in the article (and album article). No where in WP:RS or WP:V does it say that they have to be available online, only that they are reliable, third-party, and published. From WP:RS; "it is useful but by no means necessary for the archived copy to be accessible via the internet." Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 01:48, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. You'll have to pardon my ignorance here, I'm fairly new to all this. Since the articles have been put up for deletion, I've inserted a few more relevant references into each, including national radio station playlists and (as per the previous editor's comment which states that references do not strictly require to be archived online) further issues of publications featuring relevant information. I don't know whether the previous editor's "keep" closes the debate or not, so if someone could be sympathetic to a Wikipedia newbie and let me know, I would appreciate it. :p Thanks. User:Verklemmt —Preceding undated comment added 13:57, 14 April 2009 (UTC).[reply]
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- Weak keep. Taking the sources for The Sunmachine in good faith, we have coverage in some notable magazines (esp. Kerrang) for the album which establishes notability for the band, though perhaps weakly so. I'm staying on the safe side, the side of inclusion. Note to Verklemmt--no, it's not over yet; more editors can still weigh in. When you add sources to the article, make them look good by using templates and by looking for sources that editors have access to online. Drmies (talk) 04:55, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - As above Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk | Sign 19:33, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Fritzpoll (talk) 11:16, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The Front Porch Country Band (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Drops a buttload of names, makes a few vague claims, but I found no reliable third party sources. Seems to fail WP:V, and by extension WP:MUSIC. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 23:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- delete http://app1.chinadaily.com.cn/star/2004/0422/wh28-2.html is a source, but honestly this looks like a non-notable (and way over-hyped) band. The source shown would lead one to think the band is notable, but it all feels wrong. Certainly having trouble finding sources beyond that one. Hobit (talk) 01:09, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: trivial coverage. The poor referencing in the article doesn't help matters. Non-notable. JamesBurns (talk) 08:53, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 21:43, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Marz (rapper) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Poorly-written article on a rapper of very minor importance (was briefly a member of a notable group and signed to a notable label, but has done little else of significant importance). Ibaranoff24 (talk) 02:37, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete: trivial 3rd party coverage, non-notable. JamesBurns (talk) 06:28, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Note – The above user has been blocked for sockpuppetry and vote-stacking at AfDs. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 04:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Completely non notable to the Nth degree. JBsupreme (talk) 07:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Has received plenty of coverage, and being poorly written is no reason for deletion. See, for example, this Goole News search, and these: [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14].--Michig (talk) 09:28, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. If being a member of a notable group doesn't make the artist themself notable, they'd still be a good choice to merge or redirect and poor writing isn't a deletion reason. In short: no valid reason for deletion was given. - Mgm|(talk) 10:37, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Dark Lotus, a quick overview of Michig sources is associated with the famous band, not Marz himself, also NNE isn't a reliable source. Secret account 22:13, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- What's this 'NNE' then? If you mean NME, the content there is taken from The Encyclopedia of Popular Music, which is most certainly a WP:RS.--Michig (talk) 13:03, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Even without that, I'm unsure why a nationally available music news magazine which has been published weekly for nearly 60 years isn't a RS. That's like saying Rolling Stone isn't a RS -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:35, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak DeleteThere's probably enough out there to satisfy notability criteria but no-one has put their hand up to work on the article. Hazir (talk) 23:01, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- If there's enough out there to satisfy notability criteria, then the article should stay. Judge the subject, not the article.--Michig (talk) 13:03, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Fair point. The article is much improved btw, nice work. Hazir (talk) 12:45, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: sources mentioned by Michig only seem to be passing references. This doesn't look notable. Iam (talk) 10:48, 19 April 2009 (UTC)Sockpuppet of JamesBurns who already commented above. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 04:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]- Comment. I have done some work on the article - perhaps those who have !voted delete would like to take another look. In addition to the sources already used in the article the Google News search above includes significant coverage in the Hartford Courant, Lancaster Newspapers, and Guitar Player.--Michig (talk) 13:27, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. At least three Marz tracks have been included in major film soundtracks. This easily passess WP:MUSIC.--Michig (talk) 13:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep, established notability per WP:MUSIC. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 10:48, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 09:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Heaven and Earth (band) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
PROD was contested (actually, it was removed by an IP user with no explanations, too bad I can't simply add it back), so I'm taking it to AfD. This stub covers a band from the 1970s, which has released only one album. It is stated that a song by them was featured on several compilations, but I don't see it as a claim of notability. Victão Lopes I hear you... 18:01, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I couldn't find any significant coverage of the band and the article makes no real assertion of notability.--Michig (talk) 20:27, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete: no significant coverage, non-notable band. JamesBurns (talk) 02:12, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete (CSD A7). — Gwalla | Talk 20:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keith O Reilly (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Assertion of notability, but nothing to back it up. Ipatrol (talk) 23:39, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete as per nom, Snappy (talk) 01:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy Delete, per CSD A7. I see no credible claim of importance / significance. decltype (talk) 01:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Delete. What is this tosh and how did it get here? Eddie.willers (talk) 14:35, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy A7. No realistic assertion of notability. Appropriate tag added. Tevildo (talk) 19:59, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 09:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC) This page should be brought back, I know of 5 people personally who would disagree that there's no cult following. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.72.140 (talk) 03:53, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Raleigh Theodore Sakers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Not sure what this would fall under - WP:BAND? Being the "angry old man" on two records and there being a bootleg of his ranting don't seem of particular noteworthiness, especially since there are no sources that I can find and no fansites to establish any sort of cult following. The clothing line named after him is only available on a Wiki-blacklisted sell-your-own-designs website. Mbinebri talk ← 18:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete under WP:BAND, WP:A7, WP:BIO, WP:N...the list goes on and on. Just purge it with fire already...Cheers. I'mperator 23:36, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete: no significant coverage, non-notable. JamesBurns (talk) 02:11, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But there is a huge cult following! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.12.164.252 (talk) 18:38, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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I am interested in Sakers ever since i listened to sublime, but the article was deleted. I'd be much obliged if you could bring the page back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.65.77.36 (talk) 01:38, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 09:02, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Jodie Borle (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Not Notable, does not achieve [WP:Music]]. 1 GNews hit and (as far as I can see) only where's, when's and 'how to buy's' on the 1560 gHits. A award is mentioned, but I do not believe it reaches the WP:Music level. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 18:59, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The Award was from the Winnipeg 99.1 Cool FM radio station (I believe, please correct me if I am wrong). Which was the prior branding of CJGV-FM. IF it still exists, it would no longer have that name I am sure. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 19:09, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete fails notability, totally unreferenced, and appears promotional with two links to her personal pages. JCutter (talk) 08:32, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete for failure to abide by WP:MUSIC and for being an obvious violation of WP:VSCA. Eddie.willers (talk) 14:42, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete a myspace page and a own website dose not pass Wikipedia:NCheers Kyle1278 04:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 09:03, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Disarrey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Band that doesn't appear to meet WP:MUSIC. Speedy declined. Black Kite 20:45, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I declined the speedy but I agree that the group is probably not notable but I said I would give him time to "show us the money". He has 7 days. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 20:48, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom+ron. Ironholds (talk) 21:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete, article fails to establish notability per WP:MUSIC. Just another non-notable myspace band. Possible speedy WP:CSD#A7, "band that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant". Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 01:37, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 09:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Musician with no evidence of notability and no third-party sources. Powers T 15:19, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete: no allmusic entry. None of his albums appear in anything of note on Google. No significant coverage. JamesBurns (talk) 02:08, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Fails WP:MUSIC. "He is also a popular instructor and session musician". Wow. sparkl!sm hey! 08:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 09:00, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Bankrrota (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non-notable band with only demos recorded. Crashoffer12345 (talk) 14:42, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep:I have some evidence that they've recorded more than demos. Ipatrol (talk) 14:53, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, sadly. I just rewrote the article, hoping that it might turn out to be worthwhile but the group isn't at all notable. The link above is dated back to 2005 and the band have just recorded demos. WP:NLI seems to apply here as the band has an apparent fanbase in Medellín, but that by no means warrants an article on Wikipedia. Greg Tyler (t • c) 16:23, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, fails notability per WP:MUSIC. Searching finds no significant coverage in reliable, third-party, sources. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 01:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: no significant coverage or reliable sources. JamesBurns (talk) 02:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Closed early per WP:SNOW. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Very Like a Whale (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non-notable band. Outside of an article in a college newspaper, there is no independent media confirmation of the band's notability. Pastor Theo (talk) 03:13, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete- Doesn't meet general notability or the notability criteria for bands. One local ref doesn't establish either. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 03:15, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - Fails WP:MUSIC. ttonyb1 (talk) 03:21, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete--utterly fails WP:Music. A MySpace band. Drmies (talk) 05:23, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per CSD G7. The only author has blanked the article, indicating an author request speedy deletion. Given that, and the concerns above, this should be speedied. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 12:20, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete fails our criteria for notability or WP:BAND. tempodivalse [☎] 14:22, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Fails WP:MUSIC. Great band name though. sparkl!sm hey! 08:12, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 08:38, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Emmanuel John Winner (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
unreferenced, non notable, books are vanity press, music seems to fail WP:MUSIC, most likely vanity, previously deprodded ccwaters (talk) 12:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I can't find any info about the publisher of his books, but several have been scanned by Google books and appear to be held in the collections of university libraries[15].
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- Delete. Author is User:Ejwinner. Autobiographies are strongly discouraged, and for good reason. He was pointed to WP:AUTO days ago and chose to ignore the recommendations there, just as he's chosen to ignore numerous other policies in his edits to Rochester, New York. Powers T 14:10, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, several types of searches on several variants of his name reveal no notability whatsoever. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:35, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to The Shys. MBisanz talk 01:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Alex Kweskin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non-notable keyboard player. Articles makes no assertion to notability. No awards. Member of a garage band that's released two album which have no history of having charted JamesBurns (talk) 08:24, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete, no significant independent coverage, fails WP:MUSICBIO. TheClashFan (talk) 01:26, 12 April 2009 (UTC)Indef-blocked sockpuppet of nominator. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 03:00, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]- Delete fails WP:MUSIC, someone should nominate The Shys for deletion. Secret account 22:14, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to The Shys, as per WP:MUSIC, as there is no evidence of notability of the individual musician separate from the band. (The Shys actually do meet the general notability guideline, with coverage in a variety of North American newspapers, although the sources have not yet been added to the article.) Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 04:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Redirect and merge whatever is appropriate. The band isn't just a garage band. They're signed to a notable label and released two albums (which meets WP:MUSIC). Bands don't have to have charting hits to be notable, it's just one of the many possible criteria that can be used. - Mgm|(talk) 09:46, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no significant coverage in reliable, third-party, sources. Iam (talk) 03:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)Indef-blocked sockpuppet of nominator. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 03:00, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]- Delete — Neither the musician or band seem to be notable. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 21:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]
- And yet, as I said above, the band The Shys has received coverage in multiple sources. Examples include:
- Swegles, Fred (Aug. 15, 2006). "San Clemente band returns on Fiesta with fame", The Orange County Register.
- Bracelin, Jason (Nov. 21, 2008). "The Shys are anything but", Las Vegas Review-Journal, p. J12.
- Miller, Jay N. (Dec. 29, 2006). "Our critics look back at the year's best movies and music", The Patriot Ledger, p. 17.
- Hogan, Ray (July 27, 2006). "Album review: The Shys", The Advocate, p. 19.
- and so on. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 04:53, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- And yet, as I said above, the band The Shys has received coverage in multiple sources. Examples include:
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 05:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Duncan Stuart Black (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
I declined a speedy deletion request on this because I think there's a good faith claim of importance here. However, notability is unclear to me, and I really don't know if this should be deleted, merged to one of the bands, or left for improvement. Gsearch found this and this, but there's a lot of noise in the signal caused by a controversial blogger of the same name. Thoughts? Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:34, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete: trivial coverage, possible self-promotion, non-notable. JamesBurns (talk) 05:10, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per nom. The only real claims of notability are for the band "3Faced", and I doubt very much if they'd pass WP:BAND even if the claims were sourced. The "Southern California Music Awards" appear to be a one-off event from 2006, and the sales figures aren't that impressive. Supporting a major act doesn't convey notability - and, again, we have no sources for this (or any other) claim. Tevildo (talk) 22:37, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- As stated before notability is not inherited, due to not sufficient sourcing of the notability this article will not pass delete Neozoon 20:52, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Withdrawn This one was kind of on the fence, but given how close they are to releasing their single I'll just give it the benefit of the doubt. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 02:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Kate & Kacey Coppola (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Just barely avoids a G4 now that they have an (apparently digital-only) EP out on a notable label. However, I still think that they're a little bit short of notability, as they haven't really been covered in any sources independently of Can You Duet, their single hasn't charted yet, etc. etc. Close but no guitar. [sic] Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 23:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep - non-trivial coverage includes Country Weekly ("artists to watch in 2009") and People Magazine’s Country Special. They performed the National Anthem at the Daytona International Speedway on February 14 and will perform it again at the Phoenix Cup Race, on April 18. More can be found if you take the following links as a starting point: [16] [17] [18], plus propaganda: [19] Probably enough to write a good article out of. --Avant-garde a clue-hexaChord2 00:40, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - signed to a notable label, have released an EP, and are two weeks away from rel their debut single ... they're about on par w/ Caitlin & Will right now (who also has only a single and an EP out), with the exception of getting 4th instead of winning. CloversMallRat (talk) 01:46, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Caitlin & Will at least have a charting single. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 02:26, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Subject has been covered by reliable sources, and it seems that notability will continue to growth. --J.Mundo (talk) 18:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:35, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Amar (Arab Singer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
I can find no validation for the claim of notability or fame. R3ap3R.inc (talk) 23:51, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete: unable to independently verify information. Nothing on Google or allmusic. Non-notable artist. JamesBurns (talk) 01:35, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, fails notability per WP:MUSIC. Searching finds no significant coverage in reliable, third-party, sources. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 12:16, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete the fact that she is Arabic makes it a bit hard to accurately asses coverage (mostly the different alphabet); however, Google a search for her name and the name of either one of her 'popular' songs brings up no hits aside from this article so I am going to assume non-notability on the grounds that if she were notable in Lebanon there should be at least a few English results. Icewedge (talk) 19:31, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Wildr (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Not notable as per policy. No content edit since creation mid-2007, so stayed as stub. One album, no links. No references. Likely the article's focus is on the article creator himself. Dancraggs (talk) 19:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. Fails WP:MUSIC. Could potentially be speedied, probably. Seegoon (talk) 20:33, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - I don't find him on the external links, and a search doesn't suggest he meets WP:BAND. JohnCD (talk) 20:57, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, fails notability per WP:MUSIC. Searching finds no significant coverage in reliable, third-party, sources. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 02:44, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. –Juliancolton | Talk 15:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Rama Claproth (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
MySpace artist. Does not appear to have recorded and released anything of note, nor been a member of a notable band. No awards or charts. JamesBurns (talk) 08:51, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete USA Google does not return any significant results, and no WP:RS are provided. --OliverTwisted (Talk) (Stuff) 09:01, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete - no reliable sources, no significant coverage. TheClashFan (talk) 02:10, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Fails WP:BIO and WP:MUSIC. Myspace pages are not independent, third-party, verifiable sources. Eddie.willers (talk) 02:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak delete: This person gets two Google News hits, but they're in Bahasa Indonesia, which I can't read. I've run them through Google Translate, which suggests they're fairly trivial: one is a short piece predominantly about Claproth's father and mentions Rama only in passing, the other is a photo gallery about the band in which Claproth plays. (Though there're purportedly 3 matches related to that second item, they're actually all identical.) I don't think this is enough to constitute significant coverage in multiple sources, and therefore to establish notability. Gonzonoir (talk) 12:57, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Joseph M Remy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non-notable violinist. Only thing I can find on "Joseph Remy" or "Joseph Ma" that remotely matches the person described in this article is a passing mention here, but that's hardly enough to establish notability. Very impressive if the article is true, but no RS coverage turned up. KuyaBriBriTalk 14:37, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete Article subject is not sufficiently notable for Wikipedia.THD3 (talk) 16:09, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per WP:N T-95 (talk) 17:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete, I'm inclined to think this is a hoax, given the fact that someone who has apparently had such a successful career so far does not seem to be mentioned anywhere. Willing to change my mind if definitive proof of this person's existence can be provided. Lankiveil (speak to me) 04:22, 11 April 2009 (UTC).[reply]
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- Comment - why is there not an AfD tag on the article in question? Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 05:52, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: no independent 3rd party coverage, non-notable. JamesBurns (talk) 01:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, The user that created this article, Got mad at us for putting a AfD tag on the article and started to vandalize. Seen Here and Here Hmmm --Michael (Talk) 17:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 04:51, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- We Are The Emergency (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Fails WP:MUSIC. Lack of reliable third party sources, unsigned, has only released EPs. Frozenguild (talk) 04:49, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: Without references to support the radio interview assertions, or the references for the non specific music magazine in Perth, the remaining sources do not meet WP:BAND. --OliverTwisted (Talk) (Stuff) 05:05, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete, fails notability per WP:MUSIC. Searching finds no significant coverage in reliable, third-party, sources to back up the claims. Just another Myspace band at the moment. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 11:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was No consensus/keep. Stifle (talk) 08:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Mount Righteous (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Does not meet WP:MUSIC's notability requirements for bands or artists. Also, only source is a blog which is not W:RS Cabe6403 (Talk•Sign) 23:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Comment I did find this, but the website doesn't appear to be reputable or well known. -Senseless!... says you, says me 23:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: trivial coverage, no awards, no charts, non-notable. JamesBurns (talk) 01:32, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Lack of third-party, non trivial coverage, being on MySpace is not an assertion of notability. -Senseless!... says you, says me 23:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The band appears to have received significant coverage in a number of Texas media: [20] [21] [22] as well as a few others that are behind a pay wall. I'd say it's enough to recommend a keep, per WP:BAND criterion #1. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 02:03, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:BAND, in its examples, characterizes as "trivial coverage" directory-like listings of performance dates, or contact or booking details. The articles to which I offered links above are not like that at all: they are articles that are entirely about this band. The citations do need to be added to the article, with content added to the article, but that's an editing issue, not a deletion issue. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 02:27, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per the sources provided by Paul Erik. It meets WP:MUSIC. Timmeh! 18:09, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep with the above sources it meets WP:MUSIC. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:56, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. No indication that this meets wp:bio. Keep arguments rely on an assumption that the band is notable. Although there may be enough coverage to support an article about the band, just, there is no independent coverage of Lombard in particular. Flowerparty☀ 08:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Kirk Lombard (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Delete so he has caught the largest of a species of fish - does each such recordholder get a page here; what about the growers of the biggest tomato, squash, etc... Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 06:09, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep. The fact that he was founder of an apparently-notable band (see two reviews in reliable sources linked at the bottom of the article) is probably more relevant than the fish. JulesH (talk) 10:48, 3 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, notable for his role in the band, rather than for catching the fish. If we had an article on his band (we don't, but it could be a good project for someone), it might be a decent merge target, but as it is I think the article ought to stay for now. Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:33, 3 April 2009 (UTC).[reply]
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- Keep per substantial coverage. COuld also be merged if necessary?ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:34, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete 2 articles about the band he's in does not impart notability to him. If the band had its own article on Wikipedia, his name would be redirected to the band's article. Since there isn't an article on the band, this should just go away. TheJazzDalek (talk) 20:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: no stand alone notability, no band article, transient coverage of an event, non-notable artist. JamesBurns (talk) 01:30, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 09:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Goretex (rapper) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non-notable underground (way underground) rapper with only one (non-charting) album. Fails WP:MUSIC. TheJazzDalek (talk) 18:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Kinda hard to see from the article itself, but I know this guy as being a fully paid-up member of the definitely notable Non Phixion. I remember him getting some press when his album dropped a few years back, but apart from this I can't pull much else out of Google right now - I'd love this to stay but gotta go for a Delete, unless reliable sources turn up before the close of this discussion. sparkl!sm hey! 20:38, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I've also found this and this - do these make a claim to notability? sparkl!sm hey! 20:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The review you linked originally does indicate the possibility of notability but these 2 links are to a store (fatbeats.com) and a site that appears to mirror content from Amazon in order to drive traffic there. TheJazzDalek (talk) 20:53, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge anything salvageable and redirect to Non Phixion, his band. Once his solo career goes somewhere he can have his own article, but until then we should direct people to the most relevant information, since it is a valid search term. — Gwalla | Talk 21:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete: trivial coverage, no awards, non-notable artist. JamesBurns (talk) 01:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:13, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Mirrorball (band) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non-notifiable band. Cannot find any references for it. From the article it seems like it was a band formed at school that split up when they went to university. Quantpole (talk) 08:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - band that formed, jammed, played a bunch of low-key gigs, recorded a demo, then split up, just like 2357345873894573845 bands before and since. Band members probably had a lot of good times but sadly the band is not notable at all -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:32, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, fails notability per WP:MUSIC. Searching finds no significant coverage in reliable, third-party, sources. Oh Chris, it was 2357345873894573846 bands before :-) Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 11:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Say, you two, please consider WP:CIVIL. I was in two of those bands, and this is no laughing matter--we could have made it big.<sigh> Drmies (talk) 00:22, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete per WP:BAND. ChrisTheDude says it all. JohnCD (talk) 08:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete — Non-notable band. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 22:15, 19 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 23:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Saint John and the Revelations (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non-notable band. No allmusic entry. Two releases only available via internet, both on self-published label. No awards or charts. JamesBurns (talk) 04:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete, no significant independent coverage, fails WP:BAND. TheClashFan (talk) 01:48, 12 April 2009 (UTC)Blocked sockpuppet of the nominator. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 03:31, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete non-notable band without any independent sources, as such it fails WP:BAND. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete. No reliable sources. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 00:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- As an aside, it goes without saying that the sockpuppetry case againt the nominator should not affect the outcome of this discussion. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 00:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, would not seem to meet any of the WP:MUSIC notability guidelines. Lankiveil (speak to me) 03:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC).[reply]
- Keep Hello. I apologize, I don't understand the formatting on this page, so excuse this weird entry. My name is Amanda and I have been updating the Saint John and the Revelations page. I work for a PR firm that is now handling the band. Although I work for PR, I have endeavored to just keep this page fact based in the WikiPedia tradition. The article is here so people who are interested in the band can find more details about them without the fluff that people like myself usually have to write. I will in no way, shape, or form, use any hyperbole on it. Only facts.
- The band is not signed to a label, nor will they probably ever be (the record labels are not good for making money right now), and because of that they will never chart either. They do however have hundreds of thousands of fans all around the world, and they are about to gain a lot more. They have just signed deals to have their music put into two major network TV shows, the HBO show Entourage, and are also getting picked up by dozens of radio stations every day, especially after being featured on KCRW.
- They have been featured in music print publications in Canada, and will soon be featured more in the U.S., their new base of operation. We are trying to dig up links, but are unsure if they are online.
- Please let me know if there is anything I can do to change the entry to avoid deletion, I really have tried to just keep it focused on facts and not some fluff fan/vanity page. If you have any doubts as to their notability, please look them up online and/or visit their MySpace profile, They have a lot more comments and fans there than many signed/charted acts. They have hundreds of thousands of fans that think the band are truly notable, the music industry and charts just haven't caught up with a way of tracking completely independent artists that are doing very well.
- Thank you. Amanda —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.90.106.253 (talk) 17:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Hullo Amanda. Unfortunately Wikipedia also has not come up with a way of dealing with completely independent artists that are doing very well, outside of the criteria listed at WP:BAND. Wikipedia's version of "notable" depends on these, rather than popularity or number of fans. As you can see, probably the most sure-fire chance of inclusion lies with non-trivial pieces on the artist, in reliable sources independent of the artist. They don't have to be online, but it does look like this band is not yet "notable" enough by Wikipedia standards for inclusion at this time. 86.44.45.98 (talk) 21:06, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, actually, this might be ok then. We are getting copies of regional and national Canadian music magazines that have mentioned the band, and I'll be able to cite from those. I should have a couple of them within a week. I misunderstood what I could cite and thought I could only cite linkable articles, I'm still learning more about Wikipedia. Thank you. -Amanda
- Delete as not satisfying notability criteria. WP:USERFY to User:76.90.106.253 on request to allow Amanda time to find resources and build the article. If after a month the article is still not acceptable remove from the User:76.90.106.253 subpage. SilkTork *YES! 08:01, 25 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep without prejudice to an earlier-than-usual re-nomination, if necessary. Basically per SilkTork above, except that since there is a good faith assertion here that adequate sourcing exists, i do not see why the article should not remain in article space and be improved in the usual way. It's also the least confusing option for a new editor, and the most convenient way other editors can look at the sourcing going forward. 86.44.34.151 (talk) 14:18, 26 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 09:49, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Victor Zinchuk (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
This page seems nothing more than an advertisement with out any claim of notability. It was probably created by the artist himself. Justinmeister (talk) 07:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - The article doesn't appear to have improved since the last AfD. I went and looked for sources myself, and found nothing other than the artist's own website and a Youtube video. BecauseWhy? (talk) 09:52, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Curious indeed. His presence on the TV rivals that of Viagra and Levitra combined but reliable bio sources in Russian are as scarce as in English. NVO (talk) 17:19, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete: trivial coverage, possible self-promotion, non-notable. JamesBurns (talk) 01:19, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'm more than a little hesitant over deleting articles which rely on non-English sources: they may, in fact, be entirely reliable & clearly notable outside of our own limited knowledge. I noticed that this person had an article on ru.wikipedia, so while I know no Russian I still decided to see what that might tell me. (Also, I made use of Babelfish.) First off, the article was not based on the en.wikipedia one, which is a good sign. However, the paragraphs I selected at random don't give me much confidence: the article sounds almost as if Zinchuk's publicist wrote it. The lead paragraph describes him as "an associated professor of the international Academy of Sciences of the Republic of San Marino, docent at Moscow State University" & having made arrangements of classical works by "I. S. Bach, N. Paganini, M. Glinki, G. Verdi, G. Gershwin" (George Gershwin was a classical composer?) I'd like someone who is fluent in Russian &/or familiar with the ways of ru.wikipedia to provide a report on that article before we decide to delete this one. -- llywrch (talk) 18:53, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: That may be referring to Rhapsody In Blue, which is technically not classical, but is an orchestral piece and so is frequently lumped in there. — Gwalla | Talk 22:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:50, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- The Poison Arrows (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Delete fails WP:BAND, speedy was declined because they claim to be signed to a blue-link label - enough to defeat a speedy deletion, but not sufficent to meet WP:BAND. Also, no sources, no context, not much of an article. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 16:08, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- This needs some investigating. The press release says that the band has been "featured in a number of publications including Blender, XLR8R, Skyscraper, Maxim, Chicago Reader, Time Out Chicago, Rhapsody.com, Rcrdlbl.com, Ghetto Blaster, Livedaily.com, Popmatters.com, and Emusic.com". Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 16:58, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I'm struggling to find more info - one of their members, Pat Morris has a wikipedia entry already through being in Don Caballero, and they have connections to a lot of other blue link people - Che Arthur and atombombpocketknife for example. They have 3 releases listed at allmusic.com [23] but allmusic isnt always reliable. I'm sure there's more out there.....Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 17:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Passes WP:MUSIC—singer/guitarist from Atombombpocketknife, bassist from Don Caballero. TheJazzDalek (talk) 17:57, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep , passes WP:MUSIC#C1 as well; [24], [25], [26], [27]. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 01:17, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep. Enough coverage exists to demonstrate notability. Here's coverage from PopMatters: [28], [29].--Michig (talk) 06:55, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Wizardman 16:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Matthew Noonan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Fails WP:MUSIC. As far as I can tell, notability was never established for the subject and the notability tag was removed by an anonymous IP (70.63.97.110) back in '07 without addressing the problem. The references (external links) give don't establish any notability either and I've found nothing on Google to indicate any. Pinkadelica Say it... 07:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Cannot find any references to him in reliable sources to back up the claims made in the article. It seems strange that someone who is supposed to have won a national competition isn't even mentioned on the competition organiser's website[30] or that there are no ghits[31] to verify the five claimed tours of Europe. --JD554 (talk) 08:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- DeleteNo liable references.Jamiebijania (talk) 09:54, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 06:11, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- List of R&B musicians (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
One of those unsourced lists that is better served as a category, half of these artists aren't even R&B, Delete Secret account 22:24, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete: unmaintainable, unreferenced WP:LISTCRUFT. JamesBurns (talk) 08:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Per, WP:Fancruft: "use of this term may be regarded as pejorative, and when used in discussion about another editor's contributions, it can sometimes be regarded as uncivil." See also WP:Cruftcruft: "[The definition cruft] complete and utter lack of any objective criteria leaves "cruft" in the eye of the beholder. Rather than being anything meaningfully nonencyclopedic, Cruft becomes any topic, subject or article that the beholder is uninterested in." Surely you have a more civil and more objective argument against this article? Ikip (talk) 15:50, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Perhaps you need to read what I wrote again. I never used the term fancruft (I note User:EsradekanGibbs has used "fancruft" in a number of article deletions which doesn't seem to bother you when he does otherwise you would have left comments). I used Listcruft which wikipedia defines as "indiscriminate or trivial lists", which is exactly what this list is. And I note many other editors below have also used that term, so I don't buy your uncivil claim. JamesBurns (talk) 03:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Per, WP:Fancruft: "use of this term may be regarded as pejorative, and when used in discussion about another editor's contributions, it can sometimes be regarded as uncivil." See also WP:Cruftcruft: "[The definition cruft] complete and utter lack of any objective criteria leaves "cruft" in the eye of the beholder. Rather than being anything meaningfully nonencyclopedic, Cruft becomes any topic, subject or article that the beholder is uninterested in." Surely you have a more civil and more objective argument against this article? Ikip (talk) 15:50, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep - The Articles hold the sources. non-R&B's sould be Edited out. if this is WP:LISTCRUFT the everything in Category:Lists of musicians by genre would also be, and I dont believe that for a second. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 05:47, 8 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep because lists and categories are complementary and should not be deleted in favor of the other. If "half of these artists" are not R&B, that means that half of them are; the answer then is to edit, not to delete the whole thing. "Unsourced" is not a reason to delete especially when the articles for the artists themselves ought to contain references which confirm whether they are R&B musicians or not. List of electric blues musicians is a good example of what a list can become with proper care; on the other hand List of hip hop musicians is what can happen when a list is abandoned in favor of a category. Really, which of these makes Wikipedia more informative? DHowell (talk) 05:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - this list is better served as a category, it's unwieldly long and poorly maintained. A-Kartoffel (talk) 10:35, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete this is a case where a category is appropriate and a list is not. WP:LISTCRUFT doesn't apply to categories, which are not articles in the mainspace, but it certainly applies here. Per WP:STAND, lists like this need to abide by Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. This list fails WP:V as sources aren't present that show that these people are indeed R&B musicians. It is also nothing but a directory listing of information as it is only a laundry list without any further discussion or information about the participants. How are they R&B musicians, where does it claim that they are? Also, per the nom, this list is pretty indiscriminate as there is no working definition of "R&B" that applies here. The category works wonderfully, the list doesn't. ThemFromSpace 18:28, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Whilst this category is good for tree organisation, I can see the appeal of a full list of R&B musicians. I believe it could be a useful list and is in fairly good nick. Greg Tyler (t • c) 22:20, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete, indiscriminate laundry list that has no verifiable sources. TheClashFan (talk) 01:31, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Strong keep Per DHowell. If half of the list is not R&B (if this claim is correct) that is a clean up issue, not a deletion issue. I do like the nominator's suggestion of making this list a category. As is unfortunatly the norm in 99% of AFDs, I am troubled that the nominator never attempted, WP:PRESERVE or WP:BEFORE before nominating this article for deletion. I suggest that if this article is kept, the closing admin suggest that the community go back and attempts to do the work to make this article a category, instead of deleting the entire article outright, as is being attempted here. Ikip (talk) 15:55, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:PRESERVE isn't policy, and also the category does exist, Category:American rhythm and blues singers is an example, it's just categorized mainly by nationality, like most musician categories nowadays. Secret account 22:17, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- ummmm WP:PRESERVE ~is~ official English Wikipedia policy. Exit2DOS2000•T•C• 03:57, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As with "List of country songs", it's a useless list that is no improvement over a category. While it may have served a naviagational purpose six years ago, Wikipedia has become more searchable since then. Mandsford (talk) 17:04, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete fails WP:V no sources present to verify R&B musicians. Better off as a category. JoannaMinogue (talk) 01:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep This is exactly the purpose of lists, which are intended to co-exist with categories in synergistic fashion per WP:CLN. That sources should be added is a given, but the improvements required are rather simple. Above and beyond all reasons for retention, any AfD where any form of the word "cruft" is used as an excuse for deletion should be kept automatically. Alansohn (talk) 15:24, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Not all lists should accompany all categories. Per WP:STAND, stand-alone lists have to abide by the same criteria as the rest of our articles. Having a category doesn't mean we get the go-ahead to have a list on the same subject. Categories and lists may work well together, and having one isn't a reason to delete the other, but having one isn't a reason to have the other either. Also, cruft isn't a bad word when linked to an essay that explains exactly what it means in the terms that its used. If you'd look over WP:LISTCRUFT you'll find that it makes a lot of good points and isn't just a blanket "idontlikeit". ThemFromSpace 17:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete cat is better; this is unmaintainable and inaccurate. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 00:09, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Normally we have a list for every category of this sort. We do not need to choose which is better. If there is justification for putting a name in a category, it also justifies it for the list. Individual cases are discussed on individual talk pages. DGG (talk) 18:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete This is an indiscriminate unmaintainable list. You don't need and can't have an all inclusive list for every grouping of people of this type. Lists of musicians by genre are impossible to properly maintain as their content group is essentially unlimmited. Spiesr (talk) 20:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete indiscriminate unmaintainable list. Iam (talk) 00:51, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 09:35, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Bonnie Bishop (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Potentially non-notable country singer. Appears to have one article in a reliable source, but that's about it, therefore slipping below notability. SchuminWeb (Talk) 16:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Do a Google search. She has 56,000 hits, and three current news stories. She has a lot of fans. I figured if I started the article one of them would work on it. 2ndAmendment (talk) 16:24, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability that I can see.Weak keep - not very notable, really andy (talk) 08:34, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]- And what about the fact that she has been in the papers since 2002, and has 3 or 4 albums? She is a lot more well known than many other musicians who have articles. Her new album is just being released now and she will be getting a lot of attention from it. Pre-release copies were available last Saturday. Check this out: "Around Texas, Bonnie always stood out at regional festivals and clubs because she was one of very few female artists who was able to make a mark in the male-dominated scene. It didn’t take long before she was sharing bills with artists such as Jack Ingram and Radney Foster and frequenting top venues in the state including Billy Bob’s Texas, Antones, and the Mucky Duck." Why would they have articles and not Bonnie Bishop? 2ndAmendment (talk) 23:58, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- I've cleaned up some of the citations and added a reference. Apparently one of her singles charted on a Texas music chart for six months. But anyway, with non-trivial coverage in The Post and Courier, The Sun News, the Houston Chronicle, and The Galveston County Daily News, that's sufficient to meet criterion #1 of WP:MUSICBIO, so it's a keep. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 03:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks. I wasn't trying to get fancy, just wanted to create the article so that it could be worked on. I'm sure a more directed search would turn up a lot more news clippings, and I did see a lot more, but avoided the ones you have to pay to read, or even the ones where you have to register to read. I just knew that she had been out there for a long time and saw her in the news and figured it was time to create the article. Hopefully the new album will do at least a small portion of what Nick of Time did for Bonnie Raitt. 2ndAmendment (talk) 05:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Ok who told everyone about the article? Bonnie Bishop is currently getting more page views than Bonnie Raitt normally gets - almost a thousand a day for BB vs. normally about 500 a day for BR. 2ndAmendment (talk) 01:47, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Adequate coverage to demonstrate notability.--Michig (talk) 16:48, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 00:17, 17 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- TGT (group) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
This group does not have any independent notability, and their album was never released. Normally I would merge it instead, but I wouldn't know whether to merge it to the Ginuwine, Tank or Tyrese article. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 16:52, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete: insufficient independent 3rd party coverage, non-notable. JamesBurns (talk) 08:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete, no reliable coverage. A-Kartoffel (talk) 18:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Despite the group not having released an album, they received a fair amount of media coverage, including entire articles about the trio in the Los Angeles Times, the Los Angeles Sentinel, and Jet. I've added six references just now. The article's subject meets the general notability guideline, or WP:BAND criterion #1, so I suggest keep. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 19:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a little better, but are any of those sources verifiable? I mean, they do all claim to come from magazines and newspapers that are years old and whose issues don't appear to be accessible via the internet. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 01:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- They're not available via the Internet. To "verify" them, one might have to resort to other means. :) Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 01:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- ...Which once again points to WP:V. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 04:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I might be missing your point...? Sources do not have to be on the Internet to be considered appropriate reliable sources according to WP:V. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 04:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- It would certainly help though. JamesBurns (talk) 05:49, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- With some more careful searching, I was able to find a few links to articles and have now added them. If either of you has questions about the Sentinel article, please let me know and I can look it up in my library's database again. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 15:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- In that case, I withdraw the nomination. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 19:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I might be missing your point...? Sources do not have to be on the Internet to be considered appropriate reliable sources according to WP:V. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 04:42, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- ...Which once again points to WP:V. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 04:19, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- They're not available via the Internet. To "verify" them, one might have to resort to other means. :) Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 01:53, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a little better, but are any of those sources verifiable? I mean, they do all claim to come from magazines and newspapers that are years old and whose issues don't appear to be accessible via the internet. THE AMERICAN METROSEXUAL 01:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MBisanz talk 05:35, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Tarkio (band) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
No references, fails WP:MUSIC Dlabtot (talk) 17:11, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- or redirect/merge with The Decemberists. Dlabtot (talk) 17:12, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep, one rated review at Allmusic; [32], and another at Pitchfork Media; [33] for the album Omnibus means it meets WP:MUSIC#C1 for multiple non-trivial published works. While I will be the first to agree that Colin Meloy is better known for his work with The Decemberists, I reckon there is enough to warrant a stand alone article. If the commumitty doesn't agree I then reckon add the ref's from above, and merge the lot into the Colin Meloy#Musical career section. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 01:14, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't believe those sources are valid for establishing notability. Dlabtot (talk) 01:51, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- How so? Allmusic & Pitchfork are considered as credible published materials, with a reliable publication process; their authors are generally regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the context of music. Both are written by staff writers, and are therefore independent of the subject. The subject is completely about the band or their works, and thus isn't trivial. There are 2 of them, and thus multiple mentions. To me that is the exact definition of WP:MUSIC#C1. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 02:28, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There have been extensive discussions of allmusic at WP:RSN. I do consider them a fairly reliable source for information, but they are not a traditional source that publishes only about notable musicians or recordings. They do indeed strive to cover ALL MUSIC, and therefore an appearance there is not an indication of notability. My opinion of pitchfork is not as well informed so I will leave that discussion to others. Dlabtot (talk) 03:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That may be so, (re. the discussions aboot Allmusic), but until such time as people stop talking about it, and actually do something, Allmusic still stands as a reliable source per Wikipedia:Music#Resources. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 01:04, 13 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Pitchfork Media is pretty much the grand poobah of indie music journalism. Additionally, Metacritic [34] indicates a review from Spin, but I don't know if it's substantial or just a mini-blurb of a review. Poechalkdust (talk) 08:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- There have been extensive discussions of allmusic at WP:RSN. I do consider them a fairly reliable source for information, but they are not a traditional source that publishes only about notable musicians or recordings. They do indeed strive to cover ALL MUSIC, and therefore an appearance there is not an indication of notability. My opinion of pitchfork is not as well informed so I will leave that discussion to others. Dlabtot (talk) 03:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- How so? Allmusic & Pitchfork are considered as credible published materials, with a reliable publication process; their authors are generally regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the context of music. Both are written by staff writers, and are therefore independent of the subject. The subject is completely about the band or their works, and thus isn't trivial. There are 2 of them, and thus multiple mentions. To me that is the exact definition of WP:MUSIC#C1. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 02:28, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep. Really quite notable, with plenty of coverage if one digs deep enough, ranging from substantial coverage to briefer mentions - plenty to allow a decently-sourced article: [35], [36], [37], [38], [39], [40], [41], [42], [43]--Michig (talk) 16:57, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Those mostly aren'tNone of those links are coverage of the band Tarkio, they are reviews of the retrospective Omnibus. There were a lot of reviews of Omnibus, and it is true that a fraction of them were published in reliable sources. However, a careful examination of those reviews will support the notion that Tarkio's only claim to notability is the fact that the frontman went on to greater success with The Decemberists. Dlabtot (talk) 17:27, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]- With all due respect, reviews of a band's work are coverage of the band, and the band has sufficient claim to notability as they have received significant coverage in reliable sources. Criterion 1 of WP:MUSIC is satisfied by the coverage and the Decembrists link also passes criterion 6. The information in the article could be merged into Colin Meloy, but there is probably enough to be said about the band to make a separate article justified. A discussion of whether the content should be merged is a separate matter to whether it should be deleted. Merge or not, the subject of the article is sufficiently encyclopedic to be included here.--Michig (talk) 17:42, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 09:33, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Overflow Crowds Band (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Entirely non-notable; band may exist but not with alleged band members, there is no credible 3rd-party coverage of this group, and the page seems to be entirely filled with fiction. LazySofa (talk) 00:44, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Delete: This looks like a hoax. No allmusic.com entry. Their official website is hosted on a free website with non-related ad banners, very strange for an act that claims a member of the The Veronicas in it. It appears they once had a myspace page but that's now disappeared. JamesBurns (talk) 05:06, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete WP:BOLLOCKS, fails WP:N and WP:MUSIC. sparkl!sm hey! 12:57, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Nikola Rachelle (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Doesn't appear to meet the requirements of WP:MUSICBIO.
- Bundling with it her album Don't Talk About This Love. If they should be kept, the album should be merged into the bio per WP:NALBUMS. لennavecia 17:21, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep. Some coverage already in the article, and more found from a quick Google search: [44], [45]. Just about enough there. The EP article should definitely be merged in. --Michig (talk) 18:05, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- It's borderline, but I'm leaning towards keep. I added a source or two to the article. — LinguistAtLarge • Talk 05:07, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:33, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Hasan Salaam (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View AfD)
Non-notable rapper and community volunteer. At first glance appears to be OK, there are references and he's won awards. However, the awards are not significant (as required by WP:MUSIC) and the references are from 1) a user-submitted-content site 2) CDBaby (an online store) 3) an unknown site (hiphoppalalce.com, mislabeled as Hip Hop Connection—the site is currently down) (reliablilty?) 4) and a blog. A fifth reference is ostensibly from Source magazine, which is good but the link is to a blog (for the text) and MySpace (for an image of the article). If the image of the article is to be trusted, it appears to be a sidebar of another, larger article on an unknown topic. So really the only thing near to a reliable source, is the Source article, and even that is on shaky ground. Fails WP:MUSIC (and close to failing WP:V). TheJazzDalek (talk) 11:20, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep. Notable via significant coverage ([46], [47], [48], [49]). Video interview from Thisisrealmusic.com. Further coverage from college newspapers: [50], [51], [52]. Further brief mentions: [53], [54], [55]. 3 albums listed at allmusic. --Michig (talk) 12:43, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, my searches pulled up virtually the same ones as Michig, so there's no point in relisting them. Passes WP:MUSIC#C1. Esradekan Gibb "Talk" 13:51, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. The two articles from The Source looks fine too (although the one from Feb 2009 is pretty much all his own words so isn't suitable as a reference - before anyone else jumps in and states the obvious).--Michig (talk) 14:22, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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- Note. The article has been improved since it was listed here. The nominator's comments on the sourcing in the article relate to the sources prior to the improvement.--Michig (talk) 18:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Sufficient coverage in hiphopdx, Exclaim!, The Source, etc. (Also the blog mentioned above was the blog of Rich Knight, the journalist who wrote the piece in question.) 86.44.26.18 (talk) 21:02, 11 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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