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Wikipedia - sourcing: OMICS journals
Following Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/TokenzeroBot 5, you can now find nearly all OMICS journals cited on Wikipedia, and purge that crap from Wikipedia. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 06:30, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Cellular and Molecular Biology (https://www.cellmolbiol.org/index.php/CMB) might be confused for (https://www.omicsonline.org/cellular-and-molecular-biology.php), however. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 06:38, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yup predatory journals try to name themselves similar to reputable journals to confuse people... Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:33, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- I'm also trying to build a general "CRAPWATCH" page. I'll need to hear from User:JLaTondre though, since he's the muscle behind the compilation. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:57, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Considering how much of amphetamine was plagiarized by one OMICS journal article (i.e., >12 paragraphs + 2 images) prior to me sending them a copyright infringement notice, I wonder how many other Wikipedia articles have been plagiarized by articles published in OMICS journals. I only noticed that particular case of plagiarism because I authored both images and almost all of the plagiarized text and regularly search for new literature to use to update that article. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 11:54, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- There was some research on that subject a while ago. Approximately the bottom quarter of journals have a problem with plagiarism. Problematic journals tend to involve a lot of people from developing countries (the OMICS group is in India), but I don't recall anyone pinning it down so narrowly as specific publishers having this problem vs other publishers not having this problem.
- I still believe that reputable publishers would want to prevent this problem by using plagiarism-detection software. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:02, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- plagiarism-detection software would seem wise on their part--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:24, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- Considering how much of amphetamine was plagiarized by one OMICS journal article (i.e., >12 paragraphs + 2 images) prior to me sending them a copyright infringement notice, I wonder how many other Wikipedia articles have been plagiarized by articles published in OMICS journals. I only noticed that particular case of plagiarism because I authored both images and almost all of the plagiarized text and regularly search for new literature to use to update that article. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 11:54, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
- I'm also trying to build a general "CRAPWATCH" page. I'll need to hear from User:JLaTondre though, since he's the muscle behind the compilation. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:57, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yup predatory journals try to name themselves similar to reputable journals to confuse people... Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:33, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Good. I have been using searches and manual nuking for a very long time now. Guy (Help!) 10:25, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
- There appear to be at least a few false positives here (i.e. journals cited in Wikipedia articles that are listed on a "journals cited by Wikipedia" page as being published by OMICS that are actually not published by them). For example, Wikipedia:WikiProject Academic Journals/Journals cited by Wikipedia/C14 says that Cell & Developmental Biology is an OMICS journal, and maybe it is, but it also says that this OMICS journal is cited in Endogenous regeneration. This is not true, however: the actual article being cited is in Seminars in Cell & Developmental Biology, which is published by Elsevier. The citation to this paper was just entered in the article wrong so the journal was incorrectly entered as Cell & Developmental Biology (the title of the paper is also wrong). Similarly, Laurdan appears to cite the same OMICS journal (Cell Dev. Biol.) but yet again, it's actually an article in the same Elsevier-published Seminars journal as before. IntoThinAir (formerly Everymorning) talk 15:01, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
A search
- DOI 10.4172: OMICS Group (also SciTechnol, shares same 10.4172 DOI)
- esciencecentral.org: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com
- omicsonline.com: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com
- omicsonline.org: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com
- omicsgroup.org: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com
- scitechnol.com: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com
This reveals a lot more hit than 10.4172. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 11:12, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
WP:CRAPWATCH: Early version
I will mention here a very, very early WP:CRAPWATCH (as of writing, look for entry #19, "OMICS Publishing Group"). The groupings are not perfect, there might be false positives (redlinks especially), and some OMICS-entries will be found outside of the "OMICS Publishing Group" grouping. But it's somewhat useable. @Jytdog:/@JzG: will likely be interested in this as well. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:40, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
- My user page has a couple of search syntax examples. I have removed thousands of references to predatory and no-impact journals. I also have a list at user:JzG/Predatory. Example:
- DOI 10.4172: OMICS Group (also SciTechnol, shares same 10.4172 DOI)
- esciencecentral.org: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com
- omicsonline.com: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com
- omicsonline.org: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com
- omicsgroup.org: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com
- scitechnol.com: Linksearch en (insource) - meta - de - fr - simple - wikt:en - wikt:fr • Spamcheck • MER-C X-wiki • gs • Reports: Links on en - COIBot - COIBot-Local • Discussions: tracked - advanced - RSN • COIBot-Link, Local, & XWiki Reports - Wikipedia: en - fr - de • Google: search • meta • Domain: domaintools • AboutUs.com
- DOI 10.4172: OMICS Group (also SciTechnol, shares same 10.4172 DOI)
- DOI searches are handy. Also {{deprecated publisher}} and {{deprecated journal}} for tracking purposes. Guy (Help!) 21:17, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
- I'll add User:JzG/Predatory to the CRAPWATCH navbox. That looks useful. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 21:29, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia: PUBMED Bot?
Could I interest someone here in developping a Pubmed-related bot? Specifically, the bot would look up
- Pubmed
|doi=
(e.g. PubMed doi query)|pmc=
(e.g. PubMed PMC query)|pmid=
(e.g. PubMed PMID query)
- PubMed Central
|doi=
(e.g. PubMed Central doi query)|pmc=
(e.g. PubMed Central PMC query)
of citation templates in the NLM/NIH databases, and cross-reference things with each other.
For instance, running CitationBot on doi:10.1073/pnas.171325998 finds PMC 58796, but not PMID 11573006. And if you put doi:10.1073/pnas.171325998, in the WP:REFTOOLBAR, you get
- Huang, J.; Agus, D. B.; Winfree, C. J.; Kiss, S.; Mack, W. J.; McTaggart, R. A.; Choudhri, T. F.; Kim, L. J.; Mocco, J.; Pinsky, D. J.; Fox, W. D.; Israel, R. J.; Boyd, T. A.; Golde, D. W.; Connolly, E. S. (25 September 2001). "Dehydroascorbic acid, a blood-brain barrier transportable form of vitamin C, mediates potent cerebroprotection in experimental stroke". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 98 (20): 11720–11724. doi:10.1073/pnas.171325998.
which misses both PMC 58796 and PMID 11573006. A dedicate bot focused on finding those identifiers (similar to User:Bibcode Bot, which cross-references |arxiv=
|bibcode=
|doi=
via the ADSABS database) would be pretty great here, and someone familiar with NIH/NLM databases would be best to lead those efforts. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
- Agree User:Headbomb this would be useful. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:54, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- yes, very beneficial--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 09:23, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- I agree, this would be helpful. Thank you! JenOttawa (talk) 11:48, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Agree User:Headbomb this would be useful. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:54, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- All we need now is a coder. This person wouldn't be me, because I suck at those things, but if someone here has the coding chops, please go for it. In the meantime, User:Citation bot has been substantially improved since I made the original post, and will be a lot more useful on medical articles. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:31, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Conflicts of interest in health information on sugar
I've written a section on COIs in health information on sugar, and proposed it as an edit at Talk:Sugar#Funding of health researchTalk:Sugar#Sugar industry funding and health information. Unfortunately, I have not been able to reach consensus with Zefr about this edit. May I ask for the views of this community? Specifically, is the edit, or a modified/summarized form of the edit, desirable? Separately, should the section also be spun off into its own article, given that the topic seems to meet notability? HLHJ (talk) 18:47, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
- I only looked over the talk page/edit/hist for a few minutes, but it did seem like the proposed edit was likely too long to be used in full as a section in the walled garden that is such a prominent/controversial/important article. I think a heavily cited, dense couple of sentences on sugar industry funding as a significant COI would be perfectly appropriate to put in a section (maybe Society and Culture?) of Sugar. I personally think that the topic, at least if presented well, would make for a reasonable article, but i'm sure some people would disagree. Here's from WP: Notability: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list." By that rubric, I think your in the clear so long as it's in line with WP: NOT and whatnot. I know there was at least one full length NYT magazine article on it, and I've seen academic articles on the topic too. Just my $0.02. Krb19 (talk) 01:35, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- COIs in nutrition research in general would make a good article subject, in which case "Big Sugar" could be listed as a prime example. It could cover everything from funding bias to poorly designed trials. There should be an article on the tobacco industry's research programs, and that (assuming that it exists) might have a useful template.
- The Sugar article could then have a {{Main}} or {{See also}} link to the bigger picture, with a few sentences about the sugar-specific information. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:26, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Merchants of Doubt and Salt, Sugar, Fat by Michael Moss are two relevant recent bestsellers, although I don't remember whether merchants of doubt discusses corporate influence in nutrition research in depth or only in passing. Certainly whole books have been written on the problems in nutritional research, chief among them being the influence of interested capital. As such I can't imagine notability being an issue. And I see there's a stubby Sugar industry article, maybe a mention could go there although I wouldn't want to overwhelm it with criticism of influence in research being as there's barely anything else there. Krb19 (talk) 18:40, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- The first para of the proposed section is a sublede, and might make a decent stand-alone section in the "Sugar" article, but it consists entirely of (well-referenced) generalizations. Views? Splitting off just the proper medical research would be difficult, and I think it would weaken the article. The proposed section is titled "Sugar industry funding and health information", because it covers attempts to influence not only research, but also public health policies and recommendations, including informal ones in the media (the oddest one was paying social-media "health experts" to recommend mini cans of soft drink as a "healthy snack", on the grounds that they are more healthy than large cans of pop).
- "Big Sugar" -- is that a nickname, or a source, WhatamIdoing? My attempts to grep it meet a band by that name. I can't find an article on tobacco research conflicts of interest. In looking I heavily rewrote the history section of Health effects of tobacco (which still really needs attention; the last para seems to claim that non-daily smoking is no big worry, which I suspect may be nonsense).
- Krb19, I'm afraid I haven't read those books, though I have come across references to them. I have extended the Sugar industry article with information on direct and indirect subsidies. It seems that subsidy is also a topic often missing, and often deleted, on Wikipedia. HLHJ (talk) 03:22, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- Try Big Sugar documentary. IIRC it's an excellent (albeit depressing) piece of work from Brian McKenna. LeadSongDog come howl! 17:26, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- "Big Sugar" is a nickname for the sugar industry that is probably more common in recent news sources than in academic sources. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:27, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, WhatamIdoing. It's a useful shorthand. "Big Sugar" seems pretty polylithic: one of the best sources is documents from two branches of the sugar industry fighting a court battle. It looks like a disparate group of people chasing their own interests with what I would consider insufficient regard for public health, but also without the coherence of a single organized group.
- (edit conflict) Thank you for all the comments and sources. The latter look good, but I'm going to try and publish the stuff I've written already in the article space first before I go chasing new sources. I currently have the proposed section sourced to nine academic papers in medical journals, a Washington Post article, two New York Times articles, and a series of articles which are essentially long reprints of NYT articles. Also Bloomberg and Time magazine. Everyone from The Guardian to Fox News has published on this (they agree, which is heartwarming). I think I'm safe on notability. :)
- I've added a sentence about popular media to the sublede, and a footnote explaining what corn syrup is for non-US readers who may not know. Any more comments on putting all/part of the proposed section in the article, replacing the existing two-sentence "Society and culture" section? Is it decent policy-compliant content, or does it have issues? HLHJ (talk) 03:41, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- There should not be a section called ==Society and culture== in that article. Almost the entire article should be about society and culture: its history, its value, its social signifiers, its production, its uses, etc. Maybe your section should be called ==Sugar industry== or ==History of research== or something else, but ==Society and culture== is something that we made up for articles about diseases, not articles about food. (Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink might have a suggested list of sections for articles about food.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:49, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- I agree. I made that mistake, and you may not recall, but you corrected it ~late last March, and I have been trying to fix it. I called this proposed section ==Sugar industry funding and health information==, though I'm not particularly attached to that. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink guidelines do not have any really pertinent recommendations that I can see; they ask that editors avoid arguing about recipe authenticity, and format affinage information in cheese articles in a table. It looks a bit less controversy-prone than WP:MED. :) I suspect, subject to correction, that this thread will not persuade Zefr that there is consensus for including the proposed section. Any advice on how to proceed? HLHJ (talk) 02:10, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- My recommendation would be to try to add about two short-medium length sentences, with like 8 good inline citations from a variety of high-quality secondary and tertiary sources, to a section of sugar that seems the most related and appropriate. And if that doesn't work, maybe let it (the main Sugar article) alone for a month, and spend your wiki-energy on expanding other related articles (like Criticisms_of_the_sugar_industry) or making a new article if necessary. Krb19 (talk) 15:30, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed that "society and culture" is an extraneous title, confusingly used as meaning "not discussed elsewhere in page" as is often is on Wikipedia. "Sugar industry funding in/of health research and guidelines" might be a more appropriate section title for what we've been discussing? I don't really like "Sugar industry funding and health information" for some reason, I would prefer something more precise/less broad, although it's admittedly better and more informative than the meaningless "society and culture". Krb19 (talk) 15:30, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- And by the way, thanks all for the contributions and discussion; I think this is an important topic, and discussion is vital considering how "controversial" it can sometimes seem and be made to seem. Re: those books I mentioned earlier, I introduced them largely as evidence that this topic meets notability requirements if anyone contests a new article or new section of existing article. They aren't "unbiased" but they aren't crackpot/fringe by any means, and both discuss this topic in some depth. And now that I think of it, Gary Taubes discusses this topic ("Sugar industry funding of nutrition research and public health guidelines") in great depth in "Good Calories, Bad Calories" (which is dubiously named but well and densely cited) as well as some of his fluffier/lighter books including the NYT bestseller "Why We Get Fat And What To Do About It." Taubes especially is a bit of a zealot/polemicist (in that way that people get when they derive much of their income from a series of books on a single thesis), but he did a lot of deep and reasonably well-cited research, whatever one thinks of his conclusions. In addition to those books, he wrote a few opinion pieces for the NYT that are publicly/freely available. Krb19 (talk) 15:30, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you for your kind words. I'm guessing that Merchants of Doubt, "Salt, Sugar, Fat" and "Big Sugar" might make a good "Further reading" section. Taubes seems to be more focussed on medical claims, and is not MEDRS, so I'd be uneasy about using him. Apart from a claim of funding bias, think I've avoided medical claims entirely in my proposed edit, though I think this is disputed.
- My current sublede has four short-medium length sentences, and thirteen citations, largely because of a need to back my generalizations with sources that show that things happened at a range of times and places, but also because the idea that there is funding bias was challenged. I summarized the information I wanted to add to the article on the talk page in three points:
- *There's good evidence
- *such practices are widespread
- *and recent to continuing
- The sublede runs:
- I agree. I made that mistake, and you may not recall, but you corrected it ~late last March, and I have been trying to fix it. I called this proposed section ==Sugar industry funding and health information==, though I'm not particularly attached to that. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink guidelines do not have any really pertinent recommendations that I can see; they ask that editors avoid arguing about recipe authenticity, and format affinage information in cheese articles in a table. It looks a bit less controversy-prone than WP:MED. :) I suspect, subject to correction, that this thread will not persuade Zefr that there is consensus for including the proposed section. Any advice on how to proceed? HLHJ (talk) 02:10, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- There should not be a section called ==Society and culture== in that article. Almost the entire article should be about society and culture: its history, its value, its social signifiers, its production, its uses, etc. Maybe your section should be called ==Sugar industry== or ==History of research== or something else, but ==Society and culture== is something that we made up for articles about diseases, not articles about food. (Wikipedia:WikiProject Food and drink might have a suggested list of sections for articles about food.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:49, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- "Big Sugar" is a nickname for the sugar industry that is probably more common in recent news sources than in academic sources. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:27, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- Try Big Sugar documentary. IIRC it's an excellent (albeit depressing) piece of work from Brian McKenna. LeadSongDog come howl! 17:26, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- Merchants of Doubt and Salt, Sugar, Fat by Michael Moss are two relevant recent bestsellers, although I don't remember whether merchants of doubt discusses corporate influence in nutrition research in depth or only in passing. Certainly whole books have been written on the problems in nutritional research, chief among them being the influence of interested capital. As such I can't imagine notability being an issue. And I see there's a stubby Sugar industry article, maybe a mention could go there although I wouldn't want to overwhelm it with criticism of influence in research being as there's barely anything else there. Krb19 (talk) 18:40, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
Sugar industry funding and health informationSugar refiners and manufacturers of sugary foods and drinks have sought to influence medical research and public health recommendations,[1][2] with substantial spending documented from the 1960s to 2016.[3][4][5][6] The results of research on the health effects of sugary food and drink differ significantly, depending on whether the researcher has financial ties to the food and drink industry.[7][8][9] A 2013 review concluded that "unhealthy commodity industries should have no role in the formation of national or international NCD [non-communicable disease] policy".[10] There have been similar efforts to steer coverage of sugar-related health information in popular media, including news media and social media.[11][12][13] References
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- The authors of a 2016 review[1] of funding bias were less polite; they concluded that "This industry seems to be manipulating contemporary scientific processes to create controversy and advance their business interests at the expense of the public's health".
- "Health information" is a bit vague. "Sugar industry funding and health research and advice"?
- I somehow hadn't seen Criticisms of the sugar industry. It has some WP:MEDRS issues (any volunteers?), and overlaps with the content proposed here. Given some more content on how sugar is produced in Sugar industry, Criticisms of the sugar industry could probably be merged there. I'd agree that articles should not be multiplied unnecessarily. HLHJ (talk) 03:27, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
The AIDS War
Of interest may be WP:FTN#The AIDS War. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 13:28, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- commented--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 18:21, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
Primary genetics studies + MEDRS
Editors who are familiar with MEDRS may want to help at WP:RSN#Primary genetics studies + MEDRS. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 13:38, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- commented[2]--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:01, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Interesting article about scientific fraud
- in Science. Will need to look at our articles on this topic. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:19, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- Removed some here[3]. Likely more. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:27, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yikes, scary. TylerDurden8823 (talk) 07:43, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- Removed some here[3]. Likely more. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:27, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Wikidata suggestion over at Medical Resources
There is a suggestion to link {{Template:Medical resources}} to Wikidata in some way. The discussion is here: Template_talk:Medical_resources#Why_wikidata_properties_are_not_used? Little pob (talk) 12:59, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- give opinion(gave mine)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:08, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for sharing this. JenOttawa (talk) 21:49, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Creating an article for Jeffrey Drebin
I've been working on creating a new article for a Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center doctor Jeffrey Drebin. I have a paid COI with MSK to do so, and I'm looking for collaborators to help me review my draft to ensure it's compliant with Wikipedia's guidelines, as well as further improve the article wherever it can be. Does anyone here have a minute to look at my draft?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 19:58, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- I think it looks fine, although I would remove the link to the pubmed search. You are allowed to use wikilinks in drafts as well, and you can add categories by prefacing them with a colon like [[:Category:Cancer research]] so that the page is not added to the category, but it's ready to go when moved into article space. Natureium (talk) 20:02, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Natureium: thanks for the feedback! I added wikilinks and a few categories to the article per your suggestion. Regarding your suggestion to remove the link to the pubmed search, could you help clarify your line of thought there? Is it that it's inappropriate to include under the "Significant publications" heading, or that it shouldn't be included at all? Would it be more suitable under the "External links" heading?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 00:20, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- It shouldn't be included at all, because WP:ELNO frowns on search results as an external link (no matter where you put it in the article). But you might look into the {{Authority control}} template, and its ResearcherID (and anything else that's similar). WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:33, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- @WhatamIdoing: thanks for the link to the relevant policy. I hadn't seen the authority control template before, so thanks for showing me that as well. That's a cool little piece of code to add, and I threw it in at the bottom of the sandbox. Do you have another minute to take a look? I'd love to get some help publishing this article if it's in a good place now.--FacultiesIntact (talk) 22:04, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- It shouldn't be included at all, because WP:ELNO frowns on search results as an external link (no matter where you put it in the article). But you might look into the {{Authority control}} template, and its ResearcherID (and anything else that's similar). WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:33, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Natureium: thanks for the feedback! I added wikilinks and a few categories to the article per your suggestion. Regarding your suggestion to remove the link to the pubmed search, could you help clarify your line of thought there? Is it that it's inappropriate to include under the "Significant publications" heading, or that it shouldn't be included at all? Would it be more suitable under the "External links" heading?--FacultiesIntact (talk) 00:20, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
Sunscreen doesn't mention sunscreen pills (which seem to fall somewhere between quackery and outright fraud). Does anyone want to expand the article to address that subject? WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:44, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- Added a bit[4] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:07, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Article Scleromyositis needs help
The article about Scleromyositis is in a somewhat bad state. The structure, formatting and writing could be improved. References are sparse, and the article would need some more solid medical underpinning. I improved some things here and there, but there is only so much I can do... If someone more knowledgeable than me could help out a bit, it would be much appreciated. Tony Mach (talk) 10:02, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
One source only. An intriguing concept, though... LeadSongDog come howl! 20:03, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
- [5]--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 10:31, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks Ozzie, that's a whole 'nuther way of thinking :-) What I had in mind was that waitlists for diagnostics (esp. MRI) often have an option: "We've had a cancellation, would you be available for 5 a.m. next Tuesday?" A retrospective analysis of diagnoses and outcomes vs these queue-skips (by N days) could inform better allocation of scarce resources. Think cancer staging, traumatic brain injury, or degenerative diseases of the spine. LeadSongDog come howl! 14:44, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- yes your right, a bit different(will look)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:00, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks Ozzie, that's a whole 'nuther way of thinking :-) What I had in mind was that waitlists for diagnostics (esp. MRI) often have an option: "We've had a cancellation, would you be available for 5 a.m. next Tuesday?" A retrospective analysis of diagnoses and outcomes vs these queue-skips (by N days) could inform better allocation of scarce resources. Think cancer staging, traumatic brain injury, or degenerative diseases of the spine. LeadSongDog come howl! 14:44, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
What are the odds--another new stub on a piece of medical diagnostic terminology with the word "sign" in the name (see #Sail sign of the pituitary). This one seems to be better covered in independent reliable sources however (e.g. there is a brief mention here, it appears to be mentioned here from what I could see on Google Scholar, and there are some old-ish articles like this and this one from 1959(!) IntoThinAir (formerly Everymorning) talk 04:45, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- The creator has a habit of copying and pasting directly from books, so it may have other issues. Natureium (talk) 13:52, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- And I see they also recently created Passaro's triangle--also definitely needs some eyes. It appears that the subject is much better known as "Gastrinoma triangle" than "Passaro's triangle". IntoThinAir (formerly Everymorning) talk 15:07, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- They've just created yet another stub: Duhamel’s theory. Seems very non-notable. IntoThinAir (formerly Everymorning) talk 00:53, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- And I see they also recently created Passaro's triangle--also definitely needs some eyes. It appears that the subject is much better known as "Gastrinoma triangle" than "Passaro's triangle". IntoThinAir (formerly Everymorning) talk 15:07, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
Therapeutics Initiative redux - MEDRS or no?
This source was discussed a bit at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine/Archive_10#Ref_sources in 2008. We now have an article on it: Therapeutics Initiative.
Their website is here. It is a project out of University of British Columbia; they don't publish in journals but rather publish on their own website and via a bulletin called "Therapeutics Letter" with an issn (described here). They have their own review process described here.
They assess specific drugs/drug classes like PPIs as well as broader issues, like what they call Antidepressant Withdrawal Syndrome (what the mainstream calls antidepressant discontinuation syndrome; they argue for the "withdrawal" name as they review the syndrome).
We have folks wanting to cite it at the discontinuation/withdrawal syndrome page, putting it on par with sources we already accept as MEDRS.
So the question comes loaded, somewhat.
Thoughts? Jytdog (talk) 22:33, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
- My thought: Whether something is "reliable" depends entirely on what you're trying to support.
- My second thought: Without looking, I'd bet that this is actually a DUE dispute. I'm going to guess that they have what some editors believe is a minority POV, and that this POV isn't welcome in the article. In that case, the best solution is to see whether that minority POV is presented in other sources as well. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:36, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- If I am asking if it is MEDRS of course it is about using it for biomedical information. I kind of like the source but they seem somewhat opinionated and interested in advocating, rather than describing accepted knowledge, which is what we want. Jytdog (talk) 01:43, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- WP:BIASEDSOURCES can still be reliable. If we're looking for a certain cultural style of sources (I'm not, but I'm not the only editor here
;-)
), then this might not be quite the thing. If we're looking for something that gets the answers right, then it's probably as likely to get us to that goal as any other good-faith systematic review. I'm a little dubious that people will be happy about digging through a 333-page-long review (using the PPI paper as an example). Even the executive summary is longer than most sources we deal with. - It still comes down to exactly what you're trying to support. It's an ideal source for saying that this group said _____. It's harder to figure out whether it's the ideal source for saying that _____ is a widely accepted/mainstream medical/evidence-based view. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:17, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- WP:BIASEDSOURCES can still be reliable. If we're looking for a certain cultural style of sources (I'm not, but I'm not the only editor here
- If I am asking if it is MEDRS of course it is about using it for biomedical information. I kind of like the source but they seem somewhat opinionated and interested in advocating, rather than describing accepted knowledge, which is what we want. Jytdog (talk) 01:43, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
Music therapy
- Music therapy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
I have the impression that possible COI editing has resumed there. Auditors welcome, —PaleoNeonate – 00:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah, it has been a perennial problem. I have hacked a way a lot of the badly sourced crap and there is more to do, along with keeping the new bad content out... Jytdog (talk) 00:21, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- It looks like the first sentence was copied straight off the AMTA's website years ago, and I would not be surprised if more of that introduction was plagiarized. We basically see two writing styles from new editors: bad or copied. This isn't bad writing; therefore, I cynically conclude that it isn't original. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:38, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
More eyes please
Map-dot-fingerprint dystrophy is real enough, but I rather suspect that this syndrome is a fabrication as I couldn’t find any reliable reference in the usual places. CV9933 (talk) 10:29, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- The BOEHM entry archive from Webster mentions "Boehm Syndrome" but with a reference to Wikipedia. —PaleoNeonate – 12:21, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Hmm... From the original article's author: Special:Permalink/10929014. —PaleoNeonate – 12:27, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- More interesting edits: Special:Contributions/198.235.157.5 (also created the page, eventually blanked it and edited Recurrent corneal erosion (Special:Diff/53711128, Special:Diff/56132163)). —PaleoNeonate – 12:33, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Should it be tagged with
{{Hoax|date=August 2018}}
? —Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 12:56, 25 August 2018 (UTC)- Well the diffs above suggest to me a bit of OR rather than a hoax, so maybe a prod is required? CV9933 (talk) 13:14, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- I'm getting zero results in pretty much all my searches and the only few places mentioning it are Yahoo! Answers (a question about suffering from it, where someone claiming "10+ years Ophthalmic experience!" answered), a Blogger blog about cat conditions (sourced from Wikipedia), and a book titled Boehm Syndrome (ISBN 9786200578822, it's one of those books created from Wikipedia articles). So maybe it's not a hoax, but I have enough confidence to boldly label it as a suspected one and just did, if only for now. Feel free to change it to a PROD if you want. —Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 13:19, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- By the way, the reason why I suspect it may be a hoax specifically is the fact that there are zero non-circular sources, even unreliable ones, that discuss it at all. If there were, then the above diffs would seem more legitimate to me. Without any sources indicating that anyone even coined the term to describe a disease, however, then why would this person think they are afflicted with a disease for which there is zero record of having existed? Because their doctor told them? If so, then why is there no literature on it?Sure, maybe this is a case of an innocent person being misinformed or disinformed by a potentially fraudulent source, but I see no good reason to assume good faith here when this article has been unsourced and up for over a decade and still there is no talk of the condition that isn't traced back to this article. At that point, I don't find it difficult to believe that those original posts were meant to be part of the hoax to provide the appearance of legitimacy. It could be original research, but then why is Wikipedia the only place these novel ideas have been published? Is there not even a blog?Perhaps I am being premature about all this, in which case I apologize, but I am very suspicious about all this and—if nothing else—labeling it as a potential hoax will attract more scrutiny and warn readers about these concerns.Regarding sourcing for this article, the best I have found thus far is a single mention in a 2001 book, and it appears the "Boehm Syndrome" there has nothing to do with eyes. —Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 13:41, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- I also suspect a marketting ploy or similar at this point. —PaleoNeonate – 13:49, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Here's a 2014 mention: doi:10.1097/01.NME.0000450299.57123.95. It states the following:
Given that this is basically an information pamphlet provided by NursingMadeIncrediblyEasy.com and that it was published nearly a decade after the creation of this article, the fact that some professionals have their names attached does not persuade me. Moreover, it appears to only be a mention; no source is provided, nor any further elaboration about this elusive debilitation. —Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 13:57, 25 August 2018 (UTC); edited 14:40, 25 August 2018 (UTC)Who's at risk?
Any patient who has a neurologic deficit, facial paralysis or trauma, or a decreased level of consciousness; has experienced a stroke; or who's sedated temporarily or for extended periods is at risk for corneal abrasions. Patients with a diagnosis of corneal dystrophy, Stevens-Johnson syndrome, or Boehm syndrome are also at increased risk for corneal abrasions. [...]- Since Bbb23 declined the CSD as "borderline", it's not sufficiently uncontroversial for a PROD, so I've sent it to AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Boehm syndrome. --RexxS (talk) 16:40, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Update: the page has been deleted. IntoThinAir (formerly Everymorning) talk 20:34, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
- That was brisk. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:21, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
- Update: the page has been deleted. IntoThinAir (formerly Everymorning) talk 20:34, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
- Since Bbb23 declined the CSD as "borderline", it's not sufficiently uncontroversial for a PROD, so I've sent it to AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Boehm syndrome. --RexxS (talk) 16:40, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Here's a 2014 mention: doi:10.1097/01.NME.0000450299.57123.95. It states the following:
- I also suspect a marketting ploy or similar at this point. —PaleoNeonate – 13:49, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- By the way, the reason why I suspect it may be a hoax specifically is the fact that there are zero non-circular sources, even unreliable ones, that discuss it at all. If there were, then the above diffs would seem more legitimate to me. Without any sources indicating that anyone even coined the term to describe a disease, however, then why would this person think they are afflicted with a disease for which there is zero record of having existed? Because their doctor told them? If so, then why is there no literature on it?Sure, maybe this is a case of an innocent person being misinformed or disinformed by a potentially fraudulent source, but I see no good reason to assume good faith here when this article has been unsourced and up for over a decade and still there is no talk of the condition that isn't traced back to this article. At that point, I don't find it difficult to believe that those original posts were meant to be part of the hoax to provide the appearance of legitimacy. It could be original research, but then why is Wikipedia the only place these novel ideas have been published? Is there not even a blog?Perhaps I am being premature about all this, in which case I apologize, but I am very suspicious about all this and—if nothing else—labeling it as a potential hoax will attract more scrutiny and warn readers about these concerns.Regarding sourcing for this article, the best I have found thus far is a single mention in a 2001 book, and it appears the "Boehm Syndrome" there has nothing to do with eyes. —Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 13:41, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- I'm getting zero results in pretty much all my searches and the only few places mentioning it are Yahoo! Answers (a question about suffering from it, where someone claiming "10+ years Ophthalmic experience!" answered), a Blogger blog about cat conditions (sourced from Wikipedia), and a book titled Boehm Syndrome (ISBN 9786200578822, it's one of those books created from Wikipedia articles). So maybe it's not a hoax, but I have enough confidence to boldly label it as a suspected one and just did, if only for now. Feel free to change it to a PROD if you want. —Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 13:19, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
- Well the diffs above suggest to me a bit of OR rather than a hoax, so maybe a prod is required? CV9933 (talk) 13:14, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
need opinion
Gastroscan looks kind of promo?(please reply at article/talk) thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:30, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
- [6]Jyt, thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 22:59, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Can anyone access this reference that was added by an anonymous editor? It looks non-MEDRS to me. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Management_of_schizophrenia&type=revision&diff=856842809&oldid=854108676&diffmode=source Thanks! JenOttawa (talk) 00:48, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- does not indicate review[7]--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 01:14, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- PMID 30059948 is classified by the publisher as a letter. It is a primary source – perfectly fine in some contexts (e.g., if the author were notable, or if there were some other reason to report what this person wrote), but not acceptable for a general suggestion that lifestyle interventions are sufficient. It is not a good source for the statements given.
- That said, if that article doesn't talk about lifestyle management, it should, at length. Regular sleep, a decent diet (especially one that limits alcoholic beverages), stress reduction, treating other medical conditions, etc., are all important management techniques. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:12, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- The opening sentences suggest that this is someone's personal story. Removed. JFW | T@lk 11:22, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the assistance and feedback. JenOttawa (talk) 12:33, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Quick update on the Wikimed Mini app
Hello everyone, it's been exactly a year since we launched the mini Wikimed app, and I figured a bit of update would be welcome.
Background
As a reminder (or a quick summary), the Kiwix team has been publishing Wikiproject medicine content for a couple of years already, and it's available in ten languages. The idea is to allow readers with little to no internet access to get quality medical content, for free (no ads, no data collection, no catch). The look and feel is exactly the same as on Wikipedia, except that everything is stored locally (as for distribution, we found out that usually a couple of people download the app and then share the apk directly with their colleagues via zappia or similar p2p transfer apps). All articles we include are those tagged with the {{WikiProject Medicine}} tag.
As for all Kiwix content, most (80%) of its users are based in the Global South: for the WikiMed app, this means 8 out of the top 10 user countries, with the larger chunk on the Indian subcontinent (a large anglophone population with little connectivity). If you want to try it for yourself, here is a link (and here for iPhone). As you'll see, it's a fairly big at 1.2 Gb. The guys from Internet-in-a-box have also started distributing small Raspberry-based hotspots in hospitals around Haiti, and soon Nigeria, with this content.
Wikimed Mini
For people without a reliable internet connection 1.2 Gb worth of download is an investment. But it's also a blocker, and that's why we made Wikimed mini: in short, it takes the leade of every article (there's some research showing that 60% of readers will be content with it), plus the infobox, and no images. Magically, it still fits 52,000 articles within 100Mb, which was the upper limit Foundation research found a lot of people were willing to download/store permanently. If you want to try/compare, here is the link).
After a year, here are the learnings (including, hopefully, some for you editors):
- What worked well
- We got 25,000 installs, without any advertising, in a year. That about twice as much as what we got for the large Wikimed after the same amount of time. It definitely means there is a demand for such a product;
- Global South adoption is even higher: 19 out of the 20 first countries of adoption are non-OECD;
- Average rating is 4.5 (on par with the Foundation's Wikipedia app!) "best app for medical students", "This app is awesome. no other words to describe it", "Suprising App well done guys". Negative comments are mostly linked to app stability. It is also above WebMD (4.2) and Medscape (4.4), which are not exactly direct competitors but still big players in the same field.
- What could be better
- At 4.52 the app ranks below the "full" Wikimed (4.69), so people know they are missing out on something;
- It still is big. We removed images and biographies. Should we fragment it further and separate fields like sanitation, dentistry, etc.? I think not, but the question is open;
- The landing page is, well, not sexy. It has evolved to something simpler since the early days (from this to that after some Foundation feedback), but hopefully we'll soon get help from an actual UX designer and figure out something appealing;
- The install rate has plateau'd over the past four months and we do not know why.
Conclusions
- Well first of all, thank you! It's one thing to know that Wikipedia is a great project, but it's better to know that real people actually do benefit directly from your work ;
- Infoboxes and leade matter: if something really is important, do not assume that people will find it further down the page (and conversely, if it is not really fundamental, ask yourself if it needs to be there);
- Do not forget to tag articles. No tag, no inclusion in the app.
And that's it. We've discussed internally the idea of linking symptoms to conditions in the search function, but at this stage it is work we cannot afford to pursue aggressively. another idea was to offer a "core" piece of content (based on usage stats) and then add thematic extensions by specialty that people could download or not, as our biggest blocker so far still is size: hopefully an early version may come next year.
Any suggestion, idea, criticism: feel free to post here, on my talk page, or send me a mail. Cheers, Stephane (Kiwix) (talk) 14:47, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- thank you for posting--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 15:31, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
- Stephane, a huge proportion of articles in WPMED are non-medical (e.g., biographies). Is the app including those? WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:20, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yes the app includes those. Would be happy to see them left out of both versions. Maybe we could just leave out anything tagged with "WikiProject Biography" User:Stephane (Kiwix) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:32, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- WhatamIdoing to answer your question we did remove articles that intersected with the Wikiproject biographies from the mini App (though a few items like Pasteur Institute still seem to be around as they're harder to chase); biographies are still present in the regular/big Wikimed App. We can also remove them from there (I don't know how much med students need to know about their elders). You guys tell us, and we'll happily comply. Stephane (Kiwix) (talk) 06:49, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Happy to have the people removed. Not clinically important. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:22, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) How complicated are you prepared to be in your article selection? The WP:1.0 team has some tools that could probably be leveraged to let you select only articles that are relatively popular or central (so, e.g., Galen, but not whichever plastic surgeon just made an article about himself).
- You could also use Category:Society and medicine task force articles as an exclusion criterion. It's not used on as many articles as it ought to be, but it might be another way to remove articles about organizations. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:39, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- One question I have is how many of our medical articles are biographies? Does anyone know how to calculated that? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:20, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
- Good question, I'll investigate and let you know. Stephane (Kiwix) (talk)
- One question I have is how many of our medical articles are biographies? Does anyone know how to calculated that? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:20, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
- WhatamIdoing to answer your question we did remove articles that intersected with the Wikiproject biographies from the mini App (though a few items like Pasteur Institute still seem to be around as they're harder to chase); biographies are still present in the regular/big Wikimed App. We can also remove them from there (I don't know how much med students need to know about their elders). You guys tell us, and we'll happily comply. Stephane (Kiwix) (talk) 06:49, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Yes the app includes those. Would be happy to see them left out of both versions. Maybe we could just leave out anything tagged with "WikiProject Biography" User:Stephane (Kiwix) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 02:32, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Stephane, a huge proportion of articles in WPMED are non-medical (e.g., biographies). Is the app including those? WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:20, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Great work! If more reduction is needed, after the biographies, are medical associations etc included? I guess hospitals are not. You might also be able to filter out articles with very low en:wp page views, especially if the they lack ICD etc codes. Johnbod (talk) 02:33, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, so after a bit of digging, along with Biographies we'll also be removing articles intersecting with the following WikiProjects: Companies, Hospitals, Organizations, History of Science and Academic Journals. Society and medicine task force articles gave a couple of false positives so we'll park it for the time being. Thanks for the suggestions everyone.
- We're also working with the WP1.0 people so ultimately we'll also keep articles that are currently excluded by the above criteria but high-traffic. It's a 95% completed project, but you know how these things go.
- Last but not least, I realize that your stats give 42,990 articles in the project, yet when we collect all mainspace articles with the {{WikiProject Medicine}} template we end up with 52,123. I see there's a little warning just below the table mentioning the page is above the template_include_limit: does it explain the discrepancy? Stephane (Kiwix) (talk) 12:29, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Reference
I have made some edit on Biology and sexual orientation article. Where I have given reference of nature journal, (the journal article) I think the research has been replicated by another cross study. According to the article, male sexual orientation is being influenced by a gene named Thyroid stimulating hormone receptor; which is mostly active in thyroid. I have given a previous research study where it has been proved (by the research) that on pregnancy time, dysfunction of thyroid; male offspring can be gay.The research link is here. I think the last research description is relevant to the point and in the article also. That's why I asked it in here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fahim fanatic (talk • contribs) 15:20, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- That is a primary source. Please read WP:MEDDEF and please follow all of WP:MEDRS. Thanks.Jytdog (talk) 21:38, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Grant endorsement
Hi All. If you have a moment to spare please may you support our grant application. It will help to raise the profile of WikiProject Medicine and hopefully attract contributors. With Thanks. Ear-phone (talk) 15:22, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Sbelknap at ANI
Please see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Eyes_needed_on_articles_about_alcohol_consumption. Jytdog (talk) 14:55, 31 August 2018 (UTC)